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duncan228
07-11-2009, 07:22 PM
Dallas Mavericks join NBA's thirty-something craze (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/071209dnspomavslede.2f19cd7.html)
By Eddie Sefco / The Dallas Morning News

People will say these are not your father's Mavericks. But the truth is that if you're a kid reading this, then yes, they are your dad's Mavs because he probably saw them play before you were born.

This team is growing older, and if you've watched the new-era NBA, that's not a bad thing.

The Mavericks have plenty in common with Boston, San Antonio and even the Los Angeles Lakers, all of whom have won recent NBA championships by building around salty veterans who have been through many playoff battles.

To win big, the new way is to go old.

"We call it experience," president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said. "These guys have been down in the trenches and been through everything in the playoffs. And we really want to make the most of this window of opportunity we have.

"These guys know how to win."

Shawn Marion is 31. He has joined Dirk Nowitzki, who is the same age, and Jason Kidd, who is 36. Josh Howard will join the 30 set next season. Jason Terry is 31.

It's a fine line, of course. Teams that have old players sometimes are just old teams. But if they have the right "mature" players, coupled with some vibrant young players, it can be a perfect mixture.

And the veterans invariably are the heavy lifters.

Boston is the poster child for teams that have gone with 30-something players to make championship runs.

The Celtics traded for Kevin Garnett after he'd put in more than a decade at Minnesota. And by the way, the only time he'd gotten as far as the Western Conference finals with the Timberwolves, he had a 34-year-old sidekick in Sam Cassell.

But when Garnett got to Boston with fellow post-30 players Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, a title magically appeared.

And then there are the Spurs, who have been at their best since Tim Duncan aged gracefully. Even at 33, he and the Spurs are considered serious title threats in the coming season. Duncan always had Bruce Bowen, who wasn't even young when he was young. The Spurs even brought in Michael Finley in his post-prime years and manufactured another title.

Even the Los Angeles Lakers have subscribed to this theory – to a point. Kobe Bryant turned 30 last season and won his first title while not playing with anybody named Shaq.

The Lakers also had 34-year-old Derek Fisher as the steady hand helping them through troubled times.

Of course, the argument can be made that great players, young or old, win championships. But rare is the team that makes it to the NBA Finals behind a 24-year-old star, as Orlando did this year with Dwight Howard – who, by the way, had 30-year-old Hedo Turkoglu at his side.

Another reason the best teams nowadays are built around 30-something players is that a lot of players who recently entered the league haven't had the impact many expected.

The drafts haven't produced loads of franchise players, outside of LeBron James, Howard and Dwyane Wade. Or they have gone to teams that were too far down to be quickly resurrected.

And lest we forget, Wade won his title in 2006 with the help of a 34-year-old Shaquille O'Neal, and Cleveland saw fit to bring in a 37-year-old O'Neal to help James next season.

In the Mavericks' case, having Jason Kidd has helped.

"Getting Kidd back was the linchpin to everything else happening," Nelson said. "All the free agents we went after, one of the first things they wanted to know was if Jason was coming back. Everybody wants to play with a great quarterback."

Even one who's 36.

In these times, especially one who's 36.


Briefly: The Mavericks made it official Saturday with Jason Kidd, signing him to a three-year contract worth in excess of $25 million. Kidd had agreed to the deal Wednesday. … The Mavericks opened play in the Las Vegas Summer League on Friday with a 65-59 loss to Milwaukee. Second-round draftee Ahmad Nivins led the Mavs with 19 points.

SpursDynasty
07-11-2009, 07:27 PM
Dallas is done with Dirk, Howard, and Terry as its core.

Culburn369
07-11-2009, 07:30 PM
It's basically the "first, do no harm" principle of NBA Basketball. Get players who aren't necessarily going to do right, but, who won't do things wrong. It ain't a bad tact.

Leetonidas
07-11-2009, 07:33 PM
These guys know how to win.

:lmao

Isn't Deavan George the only player on the Mavs with a ring? :lol

djohn2oo8
07-11-2009, 07:49 PM
:lmao

Isn't Deavan George the only player on the Mavs with a ring? :lol


:lmao:lol:toast

Spursfan092120
07-11-2009, 07:57 PM
Boston is the poster child for teams that have gone with 30-something players to make championship runs.

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Pop - Excuse me?

Leetonidas
07-11-2009, 08:05 PM
Holy shit Josh Howard is gonna be 30 this season? Damn.

benefactor
07-11-2009, 08:05 PM
http://blastmagazine.com/images/media/GreggPopovichMain.jpg
Pop - Excuse me?
Yeah..they were saying that same bullshit last year too. If someone else has already done it, It's still an original idea if it happens in Boston or LA.

Basketballgirl25
07-11-2009, 08:37 PM
it would be really funny, if all the old players meaning any player 31 and up started breaking down this season and a younger team won

Ghazi
07-11-2009, 08:46 PM
We have a lot of guys in the core on the wrong side of 30 but I don't think it's an issue. It's simply a matter of whether or not they're good enough.

Spursfan092120
07-11-2009, 08:48 PM
We have a lot of guys in the core on the wrong side of 30 but I don't think it's an issue. It's simply a matter of whether or not they're good enough.
Did you say the same thing about the Spurs in 2003, 2005, and 2007 when everyone was getting on them for being old?

23LeBronJames23
07-11-2009, 10:13 PM
I wonder if he ever wears his shit just to stunt on the other guys.

i dont kno but he should! :lmao

Findog
07-11-2009, 10:15 PM
:lmao

Isn't Deavan George the only player on the Mavs with a ring? :lol

No. Devean George doesn't play for the Mavericks. You should figure out what the subject matter is and familiarize yourself with it before posting.

Findog
07-11-2009, 10:16 PM
I wonder if he ever wears his shit just to stunt on the other guys.

Devean George doesn't play for the Mavericks. When would he have an opportunity to be in the Dallas locker room to show off his rings?

iggypop123
07-11-2009, 11:21 PM
is michael redd 30? if he is damn even trades are old

monosylab1k
07-11-2009, 11:27 PM
ROFL Devean George doesn't even play for the Mavericks you dumbshits.

And how can Laker fans forget that Rick Carlisle played on a team so badass that the '86 Lakers tanked against Houston just to avoid the humiliation of losing to Rick Carlisle?

Leetonidas
07-11-2009, 11:46 PM
Then it makes my aforementioned quote all the more hilarious. :lmao

Culburn369
07-11-2009, 11:51 PM
And how can Laker fans forget that Rick Carlisle played on a team so badass that the '86 Lakers tanked against Houston just to avoid the humiliation of losing to Rick Carlisle?

They squared it with the house a year later when they took Carlisle's ass out to the Coast and left him...dead in the ground.

Findog
07-12-2009, 12:13 AM
then it makes my aforementioned quote all the more hilarious. :lmao

four rings, faggot!!!!!!!

Leetonidas
07-12-2009, 01:14 AM
four rings, faggot!!!!!!!

4-1 faggot!!!!!!!!!

it's me
07-12-2009, 02:28 AM
Devean George doesn't play for the Mavericks. When would he have an opportunity to be in the Dallas locker room to show off his rings?

wow it makes the ponys a ringless, champ virgin squad.. how sad.


These guys know how to win.

:lmao:lmao

Rogue
07-12-2009, 07:14 PM
:lmao

Isn't Deavan George the only player on the Mavs with a ring? :lol
not any more, dickbreath has been moved through the Marion trade.