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duncan228
07-11-2009, 10:27 PM
Money matters most to Ariza, Turkoglu (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Week_in_reviewpreview_Money_matters_most_to_Ariza_ Turkoglu.html)
By Douglas Pils - Express-News

Economic times are so hard, NBA free agents are happy to secure deals that would have been big money in 2001.

With most teams saving dollars for the big 2010 free-agent class and a shrinking salary cap, an underwhelming class of contract-seekers hasn't had the best of offers.

Trying to win the big deal right now is like hoping to scratch off the big lottery ticket. They're hoping for the mega-million-dollar prize but happy to get the consolation because it allows them to keep playing.

But it doesn't explain the actions of two knuckleheads — Trevor Ariza and Hedo Turkoglu.

Ariza may have priced himself out of Los Angeles, where the small forward played 82 games for the first time and had a key role in the Lakers' championship. But he still had a chance to go to another contender.

The Cavaliers' LeBron James and Shaquille O'Neal made pitches for Ariza to choose Cleveland as his new home. It sounded like a good idea, and Ariza could have started adding more championship rings to his fingers.

Instead, he took Houston's disabled player exception money — $33.95 million over five years. He joins a Yao Ming-less team that has little chance of repeating a seven-game conference semifinals run since the West has gotten a lot stronger this month.

Ariza played for some bad Knicks and Magic teams, so the five-year pro is more familiar with losing than winning.

Turkoglu has left a championship contender before, bolting for a six-year deal in Orlando in 2004 and missing out on two titles in San Antonio. Granted, the Spurs spent their money that summer locking up Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen, but Turkoglu showed then what his career is about.

Dollars, not championships.

After five good years and one great playoff run to the Finals in Orlando, now he's heading to a Raptors team that was 33-49 and a lottery participant. He had an agreement in place to go to Portland, a team many figure will be a tough playoff opponent next spring.

But he shunned that offer.

Add in the fact that Raptors All-Star forward Chris Bosh is likely to bolt after this season as a part of the 2010 class, and Turkoglu's choice looks like he's hoping $53 million over five years goes a long way in Canada.

Because he won't be going a long way into May and June.

Findog
07-11-2009, 10:28 PM
His wife was the driving force behind him going to Toronto.

pauls931
07-11-2009, 10:29 PM
Too much to read, but think about it..... Any given practice, or game, you might suffer an injury where your career is over... So it only makes sense when you're younger to go for the max contract you can get. When you're older and have money saved up, go ahead and take the risk of less money to win.

This is also why I believe many kids leave college and in some cases HS early. Get the big money ASAP. Never know what could happen if you don't.

Turk kind of messes this up, but I believe this is the train of thought for most players.

Culburn369
07-11-2009, 10:31 PM
- "Bury him with it."

- Christopher Walken - "King of New York"

Bob Lanier
07-11-2009, 10:32 PM
Good god, not a capitalist!

IronMexican
07-12-2009, 01:57 AM
His wife was the driving force behind him going to Toronto.

:lol

resistanze
07-12-2009, 10:02 AM
WGAF? How many owners are committed to winning? It's a business, you're lucky if you have players (especially role players) that care about rings more than money.

pauls931
07-12-2009, 10:08 AM
WGAF? How many owners are committed to winning? It's a business, you're lucky if you have players (especially role players) that care about rings more than money.


Look at the clippers, a losing franchise that is or at least was one of the most profitable franchises in the NBA. It's usually about money unless you can win enough to get deep into the playoffs to make paying for talent worth while... Probably why the suns imploded, with shaq they need to at least get to the WCF to make it worth it and a first round exit made their gamble money losing...

ploto
07-12-2009, 01:26 PM
This guy is clueless when it comes to Hedo. First, the Spurs did not want to bring Hedo back. He did not LEAVE SA bolting for Orlando, missing out on titles. The Spurs even renounced their rights to him.

Then, Hedo left Orlando because they traded for Vince Carter. He had no interest in being a part of that. He decided to go to Toronto for a city that has a large Turkish population and that he and his family love. Also, it was Bosh himself who made the phone call that helped convince Hedo to sign in Toronto. Add in Toronto's pursuit of Bosh's old roommate, Jarrett Jack, and it looks like Bosh is planning to stay around.

Furthermore, I was just discussing with someone yesterday how fans have such contrasting viewpoints when it comes to ownership and players. They expect players to be loyal, to take less money, to put the team first, to put winning a title first, and they get mad when a player seems to look out for himself or his interests. On the other hand, they excuse the team as being a business and approve of it making decisions based upon what is in the owner's best interests financially speaking. They seem to think owning the team primarily as a business venture is good but playing on the team simply as a job is not.

exstatic
07-12-2009, 01:40 PM
WGAF? How many owners are committed to winning? It's a business, you're lucky if you have players (especially role players) that care about rings more than money.

Exactly. The NBA business model is constructed in such a way that it pays better to have a shit team and just collect your TV money. Heisley of the
Grizz and Sterling of the Clips are just the two most blatant examples of the breed.

At some point in the future, I'd like to see the owners revisit the revenue sharing, and tie the TV money to a percentage of the salary cap that you spend. If you spend 75% of the cap figure, the absolute bare minimum that you are allowed to, you get .75 of a TV revenue share. I would also mandate that anyone below the cap figure gets no luxury tax distribution money at all.

Culburn369
07-12-2009, 01:44 PM
There is only so many Jacksons, Pops, Kobes, Duncans, Manus, Horrys, um, um, um, um (see the problem) to go around. You've got 30 teams chasing a player pool that can legitimately stock maybe half of the those 30 teams.