If Lamar leaves...

[KSeal]

Farmar/Brown
Vujacic
Walton/Morrison
Powell
Mbenga

Worst bench of all time?

[Allanon]

It's a pretty bad bench.

It's amazing that Lamar makes that bench ALOT better. With Lamar, it's a good bench, without him, it's pretty horrible.

[lefty]

It's a pretty bad bench.

It's amazing that Lamar makes that bench ALOT better. With Lamar, it's a good bench, without him, it's pretty horrible.
Pretty much like Ginobili with the Spurs

[naico]

Mbenga is one of the better defensive bigs in the league (not shitting you).

[KSeal]

It's a pretty bad bench.

It's amazing that Lamar makes that bench ALOT better. With Lamar, it's a good bench, without him, it's pretty horrible.

I know, it's insane how big a difference one guy can make. The only guy worth a damn on there is Shannon, but what's weird is in 2008 our bench was amazing yet it's basically the exact same people except no Turiaf. Yet guys like Farmar and Vujacic have completely fallen off the face of the earth and Powell comes nowhere close to bringing what Turiaf did.

[UrAphag]

Unless those faggots (farmar/vujacfaggot) step it up like they did in 08, then yes it will be the worst bench.

They're just lucky to have the GOAT luke walton leading them

[IronMexican]

Mbenga is one of the better defensive bigs in the league (not shitting you).

*checks flag under name* Riiiight.

[mystargtr34]

Mbenga sux.

[angelbelow]

morrison=larry bird. you guys are gonna be alright.

[Tradition]

Kiss any chance of a possible dynasty goodbye.

[turiaf for president]

bad? yes. worst of all time? no

[naico]

*checks flag under name* Riiiight.

Give him 10m a night and ull see what he can bring. He isn't worth shit on offense and has bad hands, but he's a big strong body and has quick feet. Hey, just tryin' to bring a positive note to your bench :smokin

[Spurs da champs]

Pretty much like Ginobili with the Spurs

Blair coming off the bench also!

[Culburn369]

It's a pretty bad bench.

It's amazing that Lamar makes that bench ALOT better. With Lamar, it's a good bench, without him, it's pretty horrible.

Saying it "out loud" like that, Allan, is a tad frightening I must admit.

[Chieflion]

Farmar/Brown
Vujacic
Walton/Morrison
Powell
Mbenga

Worst bench of all time?
For a team that is supposed to win a championship, ya.

[Danny.Zhu]

I guess in that case Walton will start instead of Artest.

[KSeal]

For a team that is supposed to win a championship, ya.

Agreed, I was joking about worst of all time but you make a good point.

[urunobili]

Morrison could turn out great... and I think Lamar stays he's just raising up his value...

[ElNono]

Morrison could turn out great... and I think Lamar stays he's just raising up his value...

Morrison is playing on the Summer League. That's how highly PJax thinks of him... And I think Odom would be better served signing a one year contract and seeing what he can get next season. I just doubt the Lakers want to rent him for a year.

[DBMethos]

It's crazy how Odom pretty much = the Lakers' depth. If you guys don't re-sign him, you fall back to the pack with all of the other contenders.

[nkdlunch]

LMAO Morrison is a scrub

[Chieflion]

Morrison is playing on the Summer League. That's how highly PJax thinks of him... And I think Odom would be better served signing a one year contract and seeing what he can get next season. I just doubt the Lakers want to rent him for a year.
No. Lamar Odom will be the one getting owned in the 2010 sweepstakes with many teams going after the 2003 draft class and others. There will be practically no hope of Odom getting a huge payday and many years on his contract. He needs to use his leverage this year.

[Ghazi]

It's crazy how Odom pretty much = the Lakers' depth. If you guys don't re-sign him, you fall back to the pack with all of the other contenders.

What a concept. A team losing one of its top 3 players would get worse.

[ElNono]

No. Lamar Odom will be the one getting owned in the 2010 sweepstakes with many teams going after the 2003 draft class and others. There will be practically no hope of Odom getting a huge payday and many years on his contract. He needs to use his leverage this year.

He can't leverage shit this year, considering most teams already reloaded or are cleaning cap space for next year. If he can't get anything next year, then sign another one year contract and wait it out.
There's always a team willing to offer a bad contract for somebody like Odom.

[DBMethos]

What a concept. A team losing one of its top 3 players would get worse.

Yet for some reason you Mavs fans conveniently ignore this when you brag about how you beat us last season. :rolleyes

[stretch]

yeah, lakers arent winning crap without odom

[Chieflion]

He can't leverage shit this year, considering most teams already reloaded or are cleaning cap space for next year. If he can't get anything next year, then sign another one year contract and wait it out.
There's always a team willing to offer a bad contract for somebody like Odom.
Yes he can. The Lakers won the championship this year and needs to retain him to win again. To add on, the teams under the cap like Portland are looking for backup 4s like Odom.

[KSeal]

If Utah matches the Millsap offer, which it seems they will, I find it really hard not to see Lamar as a Blazer. Which deeply pains me to think but it's hard not to see it. I still don't think he's a good fit for them but he's the best FA left and after whiffing multiple times now they have to sign someone and why not weaken the Lakers in the process. It'll be interesting to see what Portland offers though and if the Lakers do step up and match it.

[hater]

If Lamar leaves.... Lakers are Fucked :lol

[samikeyp]

If Odom leaves, LA becomes a favorite, not the favorite.

[ElNono]

Yes he can. The Lakers won the championship this year and needs to retain him to win again. To add on, the teams under the cap like Portland are looking for backup 4s like Odom.

There's so much the Lakers can and are willing to spend in this economy to keep this team together. They already stretched themselves out to $9 mill / 3 years, and I doubt they're going to offer much more, considering how much they're in the hook for lux tax. And the reality is also that we haven't heard from Portland at all. They're on the Millsap sweepstakes right now. I'm sure if he would have been offered what he wants, $10 mill/ 4-5 year contract, he wouldn't be a free agent by now.
There just isn't a team willing to pay that THIS YEAR. So he can pull a SJax and wait it out.

[Culburn369]

It's those two threes in Game Five which make you long for him. He took those under medium duress and never hesistated an instant. He was going to shoot them both before he ever received the ball. It was near surreal. Where the fuck did that come from? He never acted like that his entire NBA career. & if he can't get to that state again we're pissing the money away, frankly.

[Killakobe81]

You guys fail to see the bench in the way Phil uses them Phil has always had role players that were specialists in his system:
Bulls: Randy Brown, Longley, Ron Harper, Hodges, Paxson, Dele heck even Rodman
Lakers: Salley, Medvedenko, Ron harper (again), Shaw, Madsen Rice, Richmond, Sasha, Josh Powell
All these guys were limited or aging when Phil had them but yet still he won 10 titles with them playing limited but key roles

Problem is with SA, ORL and BOston tooling up .. (AGAIN just like last year I am not sold on the CAvs) for a war ...not sure that strategy would work ...but teh point is you cant look at the names our bench is buil to contribute a specialty: defense (Brown) or shooting (sasha and Ammo) size (Benga) speed (Farmar)

But all that said no Lamar no repeat ...

[Culburn369]

)But all that said no Lamar no repeat ...

That is presumptive & drastic. It's 9 months till the next playoffs. Ample time to adjust if Odom bolts.

[turiaf for president]

rumor is the mavs are trying to work a sign and trade for lamar. who would they be willing to give up to make the lakers interested? def not dampier, it would have to be one of the core guys. j kidd? marion? howard?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20090714#STORY_20294

[Culburn369]

I'd take Howard and that little Barea fellow.

[JustBlaze]

morrison=larry bird. you guys are gonna be alright.
Don't forget about the Chinese Magic Johnson. Man, talk about a stacked bench.

[KSeal]

rumor is the mavs are trying to work a sign and trade for lamar. who would they be willing to give up to make the lakers interested? def not dampier, it would have to be one of the core guys. j kidd? marion? howard?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20090714#STORY_20294

Nowhere in that interview or in that article does it say they are trying for a sign and trade. All Cuban said was he contacted Lamar's agent in case things don't work out for him in LA.

[KSeal]

Don't forget about the Chinese Magic Johnson. Man, talk about a stacked bench.

Sun? :lmao That guy can't even do good in the D League for gods sake, he'll get cut before next year I'm pretty sure.

[carrao45]

yeah, lakers arent winning crap without odom

Well Spotted...

[turiaf for president]

Nowhere in that interview or in that article does it say they are trying for a sign and trade. All Cuban said was he contacted Lamar's agent in case things don't work out for him in LA.
read the headline.

cuban: dallas in walks with LAKERS for odom. meaning they are talking to the lakers for trading for odom. if they were trying to straight up sign him, theres no need to talk to the lakers.

[Baseline]

yeah, lakers arent winning crap without odom

This is exactly what Laker fans refuse to admit.

Without Odom, the Lakers are completely dependent on Bynum to actually produce for 100 games.

Want me to repeat that? For Andrew Bynum to actually play and produce a double-double for 100 games. That will never happen this year.

Truth be told, Laker fans are terrified that Bynum is a bust, and the liklihood that he is a bust (after signing a huge contract) is actually higher than him being an all-star.

[Double-Up]

Give him 10m a night and ull see what he can bring. He isn't worth shit on offense and has bad hands, but he's a big strong body and has quick feet. Hey, just tryin' to bring a positive note to your bench :smokin

So he's like the Laker's version of Chuck Hayes?

[KSeal]

read the headline.

cuban: dallas in walks with LAKERS for odom. meaning they are talking to the lakers for trading for odom. if they were trying to straight up sign him, theres no need to talk to the lakers.

I saw the interview on NBATV, which is what that speculation article is based on and all he said is that he's contacted Lamar's agent in case Lamar doesn't remain in LA. Lakers aren't giving Lamar to Dallas anyways, unless they're giving us Marion, which won't happen.

[Culburn369]

[quote=Baseline;3554612]This is exactly what Laker fans refuse to admit.[quote]

For all that is Holy, Base, it's July, even if Odum goes away we'll have until January and the trade deadline to get straightened out.

You don't win 4 rings in the decade by mashing the panic button everytime there's a hiccup.

[TheMACHINE]

no odom means only having

Kobe Bryant
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Ron Artest

as the main guys.

Yah Lakers are fucked. LOL

[Spurs_210]

With Odom already coming out and saying he would take less to stay in LA I doubt he goes anywhere. Its all media bs and fans of other teams other than the Lakers hyping it up. Just wishful thinking on their part....

[Mr. Body]

Ouch. I never realized how terrible the bench was. Maybe even worse than the Medvendenko-Smush-Brian Cook years, that forced them to sign Malone and Payton (and then get obliterated by the Pistons).

Kupchak really hasn't managed his dollars very well. This is the guy who traded Caron Butler for Kwame Brown. :lol If not for the Gasol-giveaway, Kobe would still be bitching about playing for a crap team.

Without Odom, they'll have to play starters tons of minutes. By the end of the year it will be like bone on bone.

[Culburn369]

>>>If<<< not for the Gasol-giveaway, Kobe would still be bitching about playing for a crap team.

That >>>If<<< is kinda like the bear, Body: sometimes it eats ya (Kwame) and sometimes that old bear gets up all over ya (Fish comin' out of the TO and sprinting to right side arc whether it's in Orlando or...

- "SSSssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhh."

- Derek Fisher - Philadelphia, PA. - June 15, 2001

[iggypop123]

hoopsworld guys. there should never be a thread with hoopsworld as the source

[Mr. Body]

That >>>If<<< is kinda like the bear, Body: sometimes it eats ya (Kwame) and sometimes that old bear gets up all over ya (Fish comin' out of the TO and sprinting to right side arc whether it's in Orlando or...

- "SSSssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhh."

- Derek Fisher - Philadelphia, PA. - June 15, 2001

None of what you just wrote makes any sense. In fact, I may just be stupider for having read it.

[Culburn369]

Pretty convoluted, eh? Basically just means using "If" as you do can be a slippery slope. Sometimes you end up with Kwame Brown, sometimes you end up with Fisher making three. Sometimes you end up with Manu going lethal all over the NBA. Sometimes you end up with Manu watching from the pine as Dallas ends you.

[TheMACHINE]

Ouch. I never realized how terrible the bench was. Maybe even worse than the Medvendenko-Smush-Brian Cook years, that forced them to sign Malone and Payton (and then get obliterated by the Pistons).

Kupchak really hasn't managed his dollars very well. This is the guy who traded Caron Butler for Kwame Brown. :lol If not for the Gasol-giveaway, Kobe would still be bitching about playing for a crap team.

Without Odom, they'll have to play starters tons of minutes. By the end of the year it will be like bone on bone.

Worry about the Mavs first ;)

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

no odom means only having

Kobe Bryant
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Ron Artest

as the main guys.

Yah Lakers are fucked. LOL

They'd still be a top tier team but they wouldn't be THE top tier team. And also they'd be completely fucked if Bynum didn't stay healthy.

[Culburn369]

"Maybe even worse than the Medvendenko-Smush-Brian Cook years"

No, nothing compares to that misery. And that f'in Cook, no matter how bad he played it never got him down, or, made him not smile. I laughed till I cried.

[Culburn369]

They'd still be a top tier team but they wouldn't be THE top tier team. And also they'd be completely fucked if Bynum didn't stay healthy.


DUNCAN!!!!!!!!!!! Sweetheart!!!!!!!!!!!! Pumpkinpuss!!!!!!!!!! Give old Culburn two or three words that'll change me life.

[brettn]

This is all hypothetical obviously, but it would make sense for the Lakers to move Artest to the 6th man spot if they blank out on the Lamar sweepstakes. Whether Ron Ron would embrace such a role is a different story.

[Mr. Body]

Worry about the Mavs first ;)

Yeah, you too.

[Mr. Body]

This is all hypothetical obviously, but it would make sense for the Lakers to move Artest to the 6th man spot if they blank out on the Lamar sweepstakes. Whether Ron Ron would embrace such a role is a different story.

I doubt it.

[ffadicted]

Vujabitch will set a new NBA record for 3s in a season, Shannon Brown will average double digit assists, Josh Powell will be a 15 and 10 guy, and Adam Morrison will average 21 and 7 off the bench while making the all star game.

Odom leaving is a blessing in disguise for lakerfans

[Mr. Body]

Vujabitch will set a new NBA record for 3s in a season, Shannon Brown will average double digit assists, Josh Powell will be a 15 and 10 guy, and Adam Morrison will average 21 and 7 off the bench while making the all star game.

Odom leaving is a blessing in disguise for lakerfans

Exactly! And Phil will learn suddenly how to develop young players and Kobe will be the consummate teammate, bringing them along.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Just like Ariza's two steals. Now the guy is a defensive stopper!!! You plug in xyz player, and we wont even miss a beat if Odumb leaves.

I'd love to do a sign and trade for Amare, and move Bynum to the bench where he belongs.

Lakaluva I agreed with it when you said Ariza is a dime a dozen, easily replaceable player. However, it's a bit of a stretch to say "You plug in xyz player, and we wont even miss a beat if Odumb leaves."........I think they would be able to find ways to make up for his absense, but it wouldn't be simple, and it would probably require some adjusting, mainly that Bynum would have to replace his rebounding and finishing ability, while Farmar or Brown would have to replace his playmaking when Kobe is off the court.