Odom and the Mavericks

[Phillip]

I've seen that there has been some interest brewing. What are your thoughts on Odom possibly being a Maverick?

Initially, I didn't like it. But the more and more I think about it... if the Mavs can't get someone like Kaman or Okafor, or some kind of good center, then I wouldn't mind this too much. First, I think Damp will play better than before due to contract, and fact is, he is still a pretty decent defensive center, does a good job of rebounding and clogging the lane. In adding Odom, they get yet another very athletic long player, who can handle the ball, create his own shot, create for others, rebounds very well, defends multiple positions, and can play multiple positions. He could be perfect coming off the bench, along with Terry.

What's great, is the kind of versatility this would give the Mavs.

Traditional - Kidd, Howard, Marion, Nowitzki, Dampier
Small - Kidd, Terry, Howard, Marion/Odom, Nowitzki
Large - Kidd, Odom, Marion, Nowitzki, Dampier
Scoring - Terry, Howard, Marion, Odom, Nowitzki

What's even better is that ALL of those lineups would be fantastic at rebounding as well. This could be one of the most versatile teams that the NBA has ever seen. The defense would be quite good with three very good defenders who are athletic and long. It would allow to Mavs to incorporate some nice trap defenses into their schemes as well.

If they can't get a quality center, then now I would be all for the Mavericks getting Lamar Odom. In some ways, I may actually prefer Odom.

Thoughts?

[BUMP]

cue spurfan *Do it Cuban!*

[Findog]

Lakers aren't going to lose Odom for the MLE to Dallas.

[sribb43]

Mavs cant offer him more than MLE and only way to give him the money he wants is through a S&T and Mavs have nothing that the Lakers would want without the Mavs cutting into the core. Plus Odom wont come of the bench and when he plays it would mean to much Dirk or Odom at the 5.

[KSeal]

Stupidest thread ever, this isn't happening. Lamar could very likely leave LA but it won't be for Dallas.

[Phillip]

Stupidest thread ever, this isn't happening. Lamar could very likely leave LA but it won't be for Dallas.
No one said he would be coming to Dallas. It was simply speculating and theoretical. The only way the Mavs could pull it off is by doing a sign and trade.

[coyotes_geek]

No one said he would be coming to Dallas. It was simply speculating and theoretical. The only way the Mavs could pull it off is by doing a sign and trade.

Something which the lakers would have very little incentive to participate in.

[coyotes_geek]

Being realistic, who would the Mavs give up for Odom? They have to match the 7 to 10 million dollar contract somehow.

Howard or Terry are the only two who I think the lakers would even remotely consider. Even then I think the lakers would rather just pony up to keep Odom.

[Phillip]

Something which the lakers would have very little incentive to participate in.
Instead of losing him for nothing, at least they would be able to get something out of it. If they refuse to go up, and/or if Odom refuses to come down, then I think it would definitely be a possibility. I doubt it happens, but its definitely possible.

[in2deep]

IMO he would make the mavs real contenders.

I would still love this move because it makes our main opponents, the Lakers. Weaker.

[Phillip]

Howard or Terry are the only two who I think the lakers would even remotely consider. Even then I think the lakers would rather just pony up to keep Odom.
Maybe Mavs could trade Terry and Buckner. Buckner has a contract very similar to Stackhouses... they can buy him out for a million, and open up like 5 or 6 million of cap space.

[rjv]

mavs have called odom's agent about the MLE but i can not see it ever happening.

[Dunc n Dave]

The Lakers might consider taking Howard AND Terry in exchange for a re-signed Odom and another laker player to balance the salaries out. Maybe Vujajic or Farmar?

[Phillip]

The Lakers might consider taking Howard AND Terry in exchange for a re-signed Odom and another laker player to balance the salaries out. Maybe Vujajic or Farmar?
That wouldn't make any sense at all.

I still think Odom goes back to LA in the end.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

If we were living in a mystical realm where the Mavs could get Odom, I think you'd be building a team destined for a quality regular season and a post-season flame out. It would make for some very good rebounding line ups, but only Dampier as any sort of real physical force to clog the paint. And whoever is running point would have to really crank up the tempo with a line up of Howard, Odom, and Marion on the floor. That's three guys who can zone out of a game very quickly if they aren't getting their touches. Running and gunning seems like the only way to generate enough possessions to keep all three of them awake.

[Henke]

He's a great player but we don't need him now.Matrix is already here.
We have to go for a 5.Damp is a fucking cancer.

[Dunc n Dave]

That wouldn't make any sense at all.

I still think Odom goes back to LA in the end.

Exactly the kind of deal Cuban would agree to. (See paying Diop the full MLE then dumping him to Charlotte ASAP...)

Cuban has always had an itchy trigger finger, I seriously think he'd do it. It would free up playing time for Marion at the 3 to keep him from pouting and Odom at the 3/4. And Farmar would be a good backup for Kidd, or throw Sasha in at the 2, whoever the use to complete the deal...

[Phillip]

He's a great player but we don't need him now.Matrix is already here.
We have to go for a 5.Damp is a fucking cancer.

I absolutely agree it would be better to pursue a center. Just speculating on how unique the Mavs could be though, with the kind of versatility they would have by adding Odom.

I wouldn't say Damp is a cancer though. He's crap on offense, but he is a solid defender, and does a good job at clogging the lane. But the Mavs definitely need to look for a way to get someone else in town.

[mavsfan1000]

He's a great player but we don't need him now.Matrix is already here.
We have to go for a 5.Damp is a fucking cancer.
Blaming Dampier for Dallas's struggles? Last I saw, he did a pretty good job on Duncan and stayed out of foul trouble most the time. Against the more athletic big men that are small, he might have some problems. Odom is too good for that role though but he is the type of player that would be great against smaller and more athletic teams.

[G-Nob]

This only happens if the Lakers sign and trade to Dallas and that ain't happenin.

[coyotes_geek]

Instead of losing him for nothing, at least they would be able to get something out of it. If they refuse to go up, and/or if Odom refuses to come down, then I think it would definitely be a possibility. I doubt it happens, but its definitely possible.

The lakers aren't going to lose him for nothing. He wants to get paid, and paid now. He's not going to take someone's MLE for one year just so that he can be a free agent without Bird rights competing against a bunch of all stars for a contract in the 2010 market. Both Lamar and the lakers are waiting to see what happens in Portland, and whatever happens there will determine who has the leverage between the two of them. The situation will then resolve itself.

[coyotes_geek]

Maybe Mavs could trade Terry and Buckner. Buckner has a contract very similar to Stackhouses... they can buy him out for a million, and open up like 5 or 6 million of cap space.

Terry's salary alone would be enough to cover whatever Lamar wants to make.

[Phillip]

Terry's salary alone would be enough to cover whatever Lamar wants to make.
I would love to be able to trade Terry for Lamar straight up. Except Terry being on a team other than the Mavs scares the crap out of me. He's a guy that gets on my nerves with his streakiness, but he would probably end up having his "15 of 18" shooting nights against the Mavericks.

[Henke]

Blaming Dampier for Dallas's struggles? Last I saw, he did a pretty good job on Duncan and stayed out of foul trouble most the time. Against the more athletic big men that are small, he might have some problems.

So what Bulls fan?He became a good player because he did a good job for ONE playoff series?Tell me about the second round or about the previous years.:lol

It's not that I'm blaming ONLY Dampier for Dallas's struggles.
I'm just saying that we need a better center.
You have a strarting line-up with Kidd/Josh/Matrix/Dirk/Dampier.The only hole is in the C spot.Imagine those 4 guys with a better center.Fucking scary.


Damp is an old school center.A just big and strong guy.He's a good rebounder and a good defender ONLY when he defends other traditional 5's(not many in this league).

On the other hand is a total fucking liablity on offense.No post moves,no good hands to catch and finish and slow as hell.We are playing 4 against 5 on offense.

Damp as a starting center is a joke.Deal with it.

Just think that Gortat who hasn't prove shit until now he would be an upgrade.

[mavsfan1000]

So what Bulls fan?He became a good player because he did a good job for ONE playoff series?Tell me about the second round or about the previous years.:lol

It's not that I'm blaming ONLY Dampier for Dallas's struggles.
I'm just saying that we need a better center.
You have a strarting line-up with Kidd/Josh/Matrix/Dirk/Dampier.The only hole is in the C spot.Imagine those 4 guys with a better center.Fucking scary.


Damp is an old school center.A just big and strong guy.He's a good rebounder and a good defender ONLY when he defends other traditional 5's(not many in this league).

On the other hand is a total fucking liablity on offense.No post moves,no good hands to catch and finish and slow as hell.We are playing 4 against 5 on offense.

Damp as a starting center is a joke.Deal with it.

Just think that Gortat who hasn't prove shit until now he would be an upgrade.
I see you take Damp's defense and rebounding for granted. You should know how poor we are when there is no center on the court. We tried the no center thing with Walker, Van Horn, and Bass. All of them failed because no one is physical enough to challenge shots or clog the middle. Maybe Gortat would've been better to Dampier but don't make it like Dampier is some horrible center. Also Dampier is very good at setting picks to get people open.

[ffadicted]

Odom > Marion

Odom > > > > > > > > > Gortat

Congrats if this happens Mavsfans

[Culburn369]

Terry's salary alone would be enough to cover whatever Lamar wants to make.

I recall years ago the Lakers were sniffin' heavy after Terry. Does anybody remember the particulars of that?

[urunobili]

:lol he would never accept making less many than Marion...

[Phillip]

I see you take Damp's defense and rebounding for granted. You should know how poor we are when there is no center on the court. We tried the no center thing with Walker, Van Horn, and Bass. All of them failed because no one is physical enough to challenge shots or clog the middle. Maybe Gortat would've been better to Dampier but don't make it like Dampier is some horrible center. Also Dampier is very good at setting picks to get people open.

Agreed. Dampier does a lot of the "little things" very well. His ability to clog the lane and prevent drivers from penetrating is very helpful. Simply go back and watch the series last year between Dallas and New Orleans. To start the game, it was always a dogfight, usually with the Mavs coming out ahead by a good 5 or 10 points. Then once Dampier went out... Chandler and CP3 would go nuts.

Of course I would rather have someone better, but he's not as bad as people make him out to be.

[Henke]

I see you take Damp's defense and rebounding for granted. You should know how poor we are when there is no center on the court. We tried the no center thing with Walker, Van Horn, and Bass. All of them failed because no one is physical enough to challenge shots or clog the middle. Maybe Gortat would've been better to Dampier but don't make it like Dampier is some horrible center. Also Dampier is very good at setting picks to get people open.

I'm not a ''small ball'' fan dude,so don't tell me about how bad other undersized forwards are playing as 5's.I agree.
I just want another center beacause Damp is garbage imho(ok we don't agree,I can't change your opinion and you can't change mine).

BTW our most effective lineup last year was with Dirk+Bass as PF+C.

PS:Setting screens to just get people open ISN'T a great ability.
Setting picks and make easy buckets from pick'n'roll situations IS a great ability.And Damp has no idea what pick'n'roll means(beacause he is slower than a turtle and can't catch).