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Spurs Brazil
07-14-2009, 03:31 PM
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/11838893

NBA owners prepare for CBA showdown
LAS VEGAS -- NBA owners gathered Tuesday at the Palms Hotel & Casino for a critical Board of Governors meeting to prepare for collective bargaining negotiations that will begin next month.

There were no crucial votes on the agenda, no pressing matters requiring immediate attention. But given raging uncertainty about how their basketball and other businesses will bounce back for the rest of 2009 and 2010, plus the potentially sweeping changes in the league's salary structure and revenue sharing model that owners will seek in the new CBA, this was no play-cation at the Palms. This was serious.

"I just sense that it’s wise of us to look at how this economy’s going to affect our economy, because we’re going to lose some sponsors," said Minnesota Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor, one of the executives appointed to the league's negotiating committee. "So to me, what we’re working on is some what-ifs. If (revenue) is down 2 percent, 5 percent, what are we going to do? That’s what we’re going to work on and just be prepared if those scenarios happen. That’s what we’re going to work on (Tuesday)."

In preparation for what is expected to be a spirited debate among large- and small-market owners over how to improve the league's revenue-sharing model, the negotiating committee represents a cross-section of franchises. According to sources, the following owners and executives have been named to represent the league in negotiations with the NBA Players Association: Peter Holt (San Antonio), who is chairman of the committee; Clay Bennett (Oklahoma City); Jeanie Buss (Lakers); James Dolan (New York); Dan Gilbert (Cleveland); Wyc Grousbeck (Boston); Stan Kroenke (Denver); Larry Miller (Portland); Robert Sarver (Phoenix); George Shinn (New Orleans); Taylor (Minnesota); and Bob Vander Weide (Orlando).

The negotiating committee representing the players, according to sources, will be as follows: Derek Fisher (Lakers), who was re-elected president; Adonal Foyle (Orlando); James Jones (Miami); Keyon Dooling (New Jersey); Maurice Evans (Atlanta); Roger Mason (San Antonio); Chris Paul (New Orleans); Theo Ratliff (Philadelphia); and Etan Thomas (Washington).

Among the key issues on the agenda, according to Taylor, will be taking stock of where teams are in terms of season-ticket and sponsorship renewals compared to this point last year. During the NBA Finals, commissioner David Stern said those renewals were on pace with last summer, but the majority of commitments from sponsors and season-ticket owners come later in the summer months.

"I'm meeting with sponsors right now and a lot of them are putting us off because they’re not so sure where they’re at," said Taylor, who has been in Las Vegas to watch Minnesota's summer league team and meet with Dan Fegan, the agent for No. 5 overall pick Ricky Rubio. "So they’re just delaying, and that’s frustrating. Normally, we would have a better feel right now."

As CBSSports.com reported July 8, league-wide ticket revenues declined $2.66 million in 2008-09, with the data revealing a widening gap among large- and small-market teams. Nine teams experienced at least a $4 million decline in gate receipts last season, led by the Nets -- a large-market team that saw ticket revenues decline $11.4 million in its lame-duck arena in New Jersey.

"When the economy goes bad like this, it’s probably going to affect the small markets even more," said Taylor, whose team saw a $2.6 million decline in ticket revenues last season, according to the NBA data obtained by CBSSports.com. Minnesota also shared a dubious honor with Atlanta and New Jersey as the three teams giving away an average of more than 5,000 free tickets per game.

Given that trend, the owners also will begin formulating their strategy for negotiating changes to the salary structure and revenue-sharing models. Under the current agreement ratified in 2005, NBA teams share national broadcast revenue and non-luxury tax paying teams share payments from teams whose payrolls exceed the tax threshold. Small-market teams will push for a more aggressive revenue sharing model, while the healthier franchises are expected to resist. The owners need to emerge from their Las Vegas meeting with some semblance of consensus before labor negotiations begin in earnest sometime next month.

"We’re going to have a private meeting to talk about that," Taylor said. "It is a big issue. I just think to keep up the small markets, to keep them competitive, is in the league’s interest and in the big markets’ interest. ... I’d rather have something in place and be preventive than wait until it’s after the fact."

The current CBA is set to expire on June 30, 2011, and owners are widely expected not to exercise their option to extend it for another season.

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coyotes_geek
07-14-2009, 03:46 PM
Wow. Peter Holt chairs the ownership negotiatons committee? That's some pretty hefty responsibility there.

bishopospurs
07-14-2009, 03:51 PM
I am surprised Mark Cuban didn't force his way in as a rep.

dc_spursfan
07-14-2009, 04:08 PM
I am surprised Mark Cuban didn't force his way in as a rep.


Yeah no chance of that happening. The Cuban would be give the players extra money.

bigdog
07-14-2009, 06:03 PM
Wow, Holt as the chairman? That's pretty surprising.

waly.mg
07-14-2009, 06:44 PM
There´s a problem in the CBA

Why if you hace a Full or Early Larry Bird Rights of a player, you must to pay the Luxury Tax if you sign him?

Because if my team is over the Luxury Tax, my player weight 2 dollars to one, if the other team is under the Tax.

If I match the other team offer, you should not have to pay Tax

The Luxury tax is playing against the spirit of the Larry Bird Right´s Rule.

EX: Next year the Spurs will be over the Tax, because thee Spurs have 50 million in only TD-TP-RJ and Dice. If Spurs resign Manu, the Spurs must to pay more than if Manu sign with a Team under the Tax.

The Luxury Tax is a great thing for you, if other team offer the MLE to your player, and this Team is over the Tax, you pay one and the other pay 2.

exstatic
07-14-2009, 08:33 PM
There´s a problem in the CBA

Why if you hace a Full or Early Larry Bird Rights of a player, you must to pay the Luxury Tax if you sign him?

Because if my team is over the Luxury Tax, my player weight 2 dollars to one, if the other team is under the Tax.

If I match the other team offer, you should not have to pay Tax

The Luxury tax is playing against the spirit of the Larry Bird Right´s Rule.

EX: Next year the Spurs will be over the Tax, because thee Spurs have 50 million in only TD-TP-RJ and Dice. If Spurs resign Manu, the Spurs must to pay more than if Manu sign with a Team under the Tax.

The Luxury Tax is a great thing for you, if other team offer the MLE to your player, and this Team is over the Tax, you pay one and the other pay 2.

It's not a problem if you spend wisely, and don't kill your cap with bad contracts. You should really only be breaking the bank for 2-3 guys, and everyone else cycles in and out. If you suck at capology, there's a price to be paid for that.

picnroll
07-14-2009, 08:42 PM
Stern when interviewed during the Clipper game yesterday said the economic model doesn't work anymore, is broken and that some teams are financially "cutting their own wrists". I think it's going to be a very, very contentious CBA negotiation and I'm betting on a lockout/strike.

Dex
07-14-2009, 08:52 PM
Way to go Mas?

ShoogarBear
07-14-2009, 09:01 PM
Why the hell is Glen Taylor, the man responsible for the last lockout and a proven violator of league rules, on this committee?

VivaPopovich
07-14-2009, 09:50 PM
Roger Mason? you can be sure "Money Mase" isn't going to settle for less money lol. Derek Fisher, that's a good pick. Big brother figure

nba lockout here we come!

duncan228
07-15-2009, 01:11 AM
N.B.A. Has Tough Year and Tough Talks Ahead (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/sports/basketball/15stern.html?_r=1)
Jonathan Abrams
New York Times

LAS VEGAS — Commissioner David Stern said Tuesday that less than half the N.B.A.’s teams turned a profit last season and that some owners had argued that a worst-case decrease in the salary cap of 5 percent might be too optimistic.

The league’s board of governors convened here and will meet again Aug. 4 with the players union in hopes of jump-starting negotiations toward reaching a new collective bargaining agreement. The current one expires in June 2011.

Last week, the league predicted that its salary cap could drop to between $50.4 million and $53.6 million in 2010-11, which would represent a loss between 2.5 percent and 5 percent in basketball-related revenue. On Tuesday, Stern added that teams could face at least a 10 percent drop in ticket revenue next season.

“We are anxious to get going,” Stern said of the negotiations. “We’re not planning on a miracle here, but on the other hand, we’d be prepared to accept one.”

Stern also announced the appointment of a labor-relations committee of 10 owners that would be headed by the San Antonio Spurs owner Peter Holt.

“There is complete agreement that we need to look for a system that keeps our players — as well paid as they are — at the top of the heap, but on the other hand returns the league to profitability at the same time,” Stern said.

Some observers predict that the next collective bargaining agreement will feature drastic changes and that players will be forced to make concessions because of the economy.

In response to the league memorandum that the salary cap will probably decrease next season, Billy Hunter, the executive director of the union, cautioned that it could have a chilling effect on future signings.

“If it later turns out that the league did not have a good-faith basis for making these projections, the N.B.P.A. will pursue all available legal remedies, including a treble damages claim for collusion,” Hunter told ESPN.com last week.

When asked about Hunter’s statement, Stern smiled.

“We’ve been in touch,” Stern said. “He knows that we welcome him saying whatever he needs to say, but the facts are out and you’ll see our numbers and our projections out there.”

barbacoataco
07-15-2009, 02:28 AM
Everyone is down right now so I don't see why the salary cap shouldn't go down. Nearly every business out there is down 5-20% an dthe NBA is a business too.

waly.mg
07-15-2009, 08:18 AM
The Proble here is when the Cap is going to decrease, the contracts of the players is increased by 10% annually.

In most of the contract the player next year is going to win more than in the last.

So when you have 40 millions in contract in 4-5 players, next year is going to be 44 with the increased, and if this year the Cap is 55 and in the next 50, if this year you hace 15 millions to complete your team, next year would be only 6.

waly.mg
07-15-2009, 08:33 AM
It's not a problem if you spend wisely, and don't kill your cap with bad contracts. You should really only be breaking the bank for 2-3 guys, and everyone else cycles in and out. If you suck at capology, there's a price to be paid for that.

You are talkin about Isiah Thomas?

Here we must distinguish clearly between the type of player every team has.

If you are paying more for a player who was traded or , for example, if he is completing his rookie contract.

The mayority of the Players who finished his rookie contract, if they remain in the NBA, are going to made a biggest contract than his first, specially the best or the league new stars.

In this scenario, if you're signing a free agent for the MLE or LLE, and you are over the TAX, you must to pay, and if you are signing your own free agent should be different , because you don´t want to improve you team, but remains the same.

Whit a rule like that, you can finish the Larry Bird right´s rule, because you always have an advantage when you resign a player.

Spurs Brazil
07-15-2009, 05:33 PM
Players' Union Doubts Cap Will Drop 5%

Fearing an economic climate even worse than expected, some NBA owners believe that the worst-case projection of a 5 percent drop in the salary cap next year may be too optimistic.

But as the league and union prepare to enter into a new round of labor negotiations, the union head Billy Hunter is not yet conceding the legitimacy of the league's projection of a 2.5 percent to 5 percent drop in the cap.

"If it later turns out that the league did not have a good-faith basis for making these projections, the N.B.P.A. will pursue all available legal remedies, including a treble damages claim for collusion," Hunter said.

Via New York Times
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60601/20090715/players_union_doubts_cap_will_drop_5_percent/

Bob Lanier
07-15-2009, 06:03 PM
CBA? Does that mean Bonzi's back?