Anything good to say about Obama

[jack sommerset]

Seriously. Has this guy and his adminstration done anything good for our country?

[Bender]

I thought and I thought and I thought and I thought....


but I couldn't think of anything...

[Wild Cobra]

Seriously. Has this guy and his adminstration done anything good for our country?
Absolutely.

He and other democrats, have shown just how pathetic they are!

[Spursmania]

Seriously, I kept coming back and forth to this thread and really tried to think of something and I coudn't.

[Wild Cobra]

Seriously, I kept coming back and forth to this thread and really tried to think of something and I coudn't.
Other than showing how pathetic democrats are, I can't either.

[ChumpDumper]

Ah, more partisan douchery.

Anyone who says anything positive wil be automatically gainsayed by the Republibots, so no need say anything except jack is a gay drama queen.

[SonOfAGun]

He's boiling the frog quickly.

[Jacob1983]

He's gotten black people interested in politics. Well, he did during October and November of last year. He's given a lot of work to photographers since they take his picture so much. And how many presidents can say they wore mom jeans?

[holcs50]

hmm, well he speaks well, "listen......blah, blah blah" "listen, blah, blah, blah". Ha. I keed, I keed. But really he hasn't done anything besides propose shitty health plans, appear on ESPN to fill out his bracket, pitch at the world series, and "try" to relate to the every day man by talking sports and relaxing with a beer. He's actually very likeable by what he says, it's the whole obama train, but honestly I don't like anyone who judges so quickly because of party. My parents/grandparents are pretty damn conservative, but I've grown to be pretty moderate-tho still right by a little-but this is just honest criticism, nothing has been done, ha, really. Given not much time has gone by so im willing to give him his term to judge. He did come into a bear of a mess, which yes the bush admin did create some of BUT congress created most of. And congress continues to fail miserably-it's fucking annoying having all these people that represent us be such douchebags and really mostly concerned about personal agendas-only a few really care about the countries future...fuckin sad. Either way obama as pres i was like you know i like that it shows the us is ready to vote as a majority for a black pres, but the reasons behind it were well, retarded. It wasn't who would be better, it was look what bush did and mccain is in the same party as him....done and done. it was over then and there. Bush had many faults, i just don't like people who switch on the tube, listen to msnbc,cnn,fox, whatever and take their views from them. Bush didn't solely put this economy where its at - it was many many congressman,banks,ceo's, mangers, people in general that were shady. Ok, im going way off im a little faded... but yea we will see what happens and ill be the first to give props if he can actually turn some things around.

[George Gervin's Afro]

What I have enjoyed is the resident conservatives butt hurtness after america rejected their kind of politics..he has accomplished that!

[DarkReign]

Its a young presidency, so FWIW at this early of a stage, I'll actually answer the OP's question.

No, he hasnt done anything I would consider "good" or "better" than its been done before. So far, he's another puppet in a recent string of puppet Presidents. He's agenda driven and the Dems know majorities dont last long so theyre jam-packing their schedule passing all the legislation theyve failed to do over the past (almost) 20 years.

Its kind of pathetic and alarming at the same time. Cant say I didnt expect it, though. Majorities are always bad, regardless of party.

[doobs]

This may be a "young" presidency, but he has accomplished a lot in seven months. (With Congress, he has already increased the budget deficit by 400% or something.) It's fair to say, at this point, whether or not he's done anything good.

I disagree with almost everything he says and does. His handling of the Iranian elections was pretty decent at times, though.

[ElNono]

I think it got a bunch of posters here really pissed off. That brought out what they REALLY think. That's a positive in my book. :tu

[Jacob1983]

Where is the change that he promised? He bashed McCain all the time saying that McCain was running for Bush's 3rd term. Couldn't it be said that Obama is serving Bush's 3rd term?

[101A]

First: We haven't been hit by a terrorist attack (if it's an accomplishment for Bush, it is for Obama, as well.)

Second: Tocqueville (one of my favorites) continues to be proven particularly prescient.

Third: (I'm thinking)

[jack sommerset]

What I have enjoyed is the resident conservatives butt hurtness after america rejected their kind of politics..he has accomplished that!

You can't think of anything either. It really is tough.

[boutons_deux]

He's not a venal, criminal Repug.

[jack sommerset]

He's not a venal, criminal Repug.

But he is a venal, criminal democrap.

[spurster]

The banks that were going to put us into a depression are making money again.

[spurster]

The US is (slowly) getting out of Iraq.

[SonOfAGun]

and shoes

[IceColdBrewski]

The US is (slowly) getting out of Iraq.

Which was planned long before Obama took office. Try again.

[spurster]

Which was planned long before Obama took office. Try again.

Oh, you're right. I'm sure they had plans in 2003 for getting out.

[Winehole23]

The banks that were going to put us into a depression are making money again.Goldman and JP Morgan are bank receivers, not traditional banks. Their profits come mainly from electronic trading and mergers, i think. The banking sector is still in the dumps. Too many loan losses, too much tied up in untradable "legacy" assets.

Also given that TARP transparency is almost zero, it's impossible to be sure how much of these so-called profits are government assisted.

[Sec24Row7]

Im not a fan AT ALL of Obama... and hope he is a 1 termer... but I do like the fact that he is allowing us to fund stem cell research again.

[Winehole23]

Goldman and JP Morgan are bank receivers, not traditional banks. Their profits come mainly from electronic trading (http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/07/goldmans-4-billion-high-frequency.html) and mergers, i think. The banking sector is still in the dumps. Too many loan losses, too much tied up in untradable "legacy" assets.

Also given that TARP transparency is almost zero, it's impossible to be sure how much of these so-called profits are government assisted.

[spurster]

I thought Bank of America and Citibank were making profits, too, as of late.

[SonOfAGun]

At least he is bringing transparency to America and auditing the fe....

nvm

[boutons_deux]

BoA and Cititbank made huge, ONE-TIME profits last quarter, from asset sales to raise capital. Next 2+ qtrs will probably show them to be still bankrupt and propped up by taxpayers.

btw, banks are raising fees to depositors and card holders (NO raise in service quality) that should bring them $4B additional this year, sucked out of citizens' after-tax pockets.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You can't think of anything either. It really is tough.

stock market is up..

dumbass:lmao:lmao

[Winehole23]

I thought Bank of America and Citibank were making profits, too, as of late.Don't believe the hype. 57 banks have failed this year so far.

[Winehole23]

If you believe financial reporting in this market, you're a simpleton.

[Winehole23]

They're cheating and lying their asses off.

[Winehole23]

I'll dig up the links if you doubt me, Spursmania.

[Wild Cobra]

stock market is up..

dumbass:lmao:lmao
Really?

I just looked. They indexes are basically flat for the last 2 months, at about the same level he took office at.

[jack sommerset]

stock market is up..

dumbass:lmao:lmao

Do you have any humility? Stock market is not up fag. If you have anything good to say about him please feel free to share. Don't make up shit. I'm sure he has done something good for our country. Let me know.

[Spursmania]

and shoes

and 5,000 dollar purses now.

[Spursmania]

Goldman and JP Morgan are bank receivers, not traditional banks. Their profits come mainly from electronic trading and mergers, i think. The banking sector is still in the dumps. Too many loan losses, too much tied up in untradable "legacy" assets.

Also given that TARP transparency is almost zero, it's impossible to be sure how much of these so-called profits are government assisted.


That is correct. They used the government's bailout money to invest. They did not make the money via the traditional banking method.:toast

[Spursmania]

I'll dig up the links if you doubt me, Spursmania.

Don't doubt you, that is true.:tu

[DarrinS]

When that words-on-screen doohicky thingy is working, he's a fantastic speaker.

[sam1617]

I thought President Obama handled the situation with Iran decently.

He seems to be a likable dude. Of course, our previous President seemed like a likable dude too.

[rjv]

ah, the modern day political debate. exchanges of subjective interpretation and a battle of links.

[ElNono]

ah, the modern day political debate. exchanges of subjective interpretation and a battle of links.

Feel free to drop some old school debate here, with newspaper clips too if you dare. :lol

[rjv]

Feel free to drop some old school debate here, with newspaper clips too if you dare. :lol

every once in a while one can read a decent post on such a thread but you have to admit there is a lot of wasted bandwidth spent on such topics.

i mean how many "(fill in the blank) candidate or politician sucks" posts are floating around in cyberspace?

[ElNono]

every once in a while one can read a decent post on such a thread but you have to admit there is a lot of wasted bandwidth spent on such topics.

i mean how many "(fill in the blank) candidate or politician sucks" posts are floating around in cyberspace?

Too many. But it's also undeniable that people bite right into it. It's also better than TV or newspapers, because you can get to participate in the drivel if you want to. Ultimately it all comes down to the fact everyone has their opinions, and are more than willing to share them.

[antimvp]

he looks cool smoking a square

[Spursmania]

Unrelated to politics, he seems to be a good father and husband.

[rjv]

Too many. But it's also undeniable that people bite right into it. It's also better than TV or newspapers, because you can get to participate in the drivel if you want to. Ultimately it all comes down to the fact everyone has their opinions, and are more than willing to share them.

understood and agreed. it would just be read some depth from some of the posts now and then. for instance, if one could discuss the anglo iranian oil company or the balfour declaration when discussing the middle east and not just skimming the surface with the latest from CNN.

[ratm1221]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aM0zj0YsJ8fk

If the economy recovers, we will see all of these naysayers posting thread after thread admitting they were wrong about our president.

Yeah right... that would be the day.

[DarrinS]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aM0zj0YsJ8fk

If the economy recovers, we will see all of these naysayers posting thread after thread admitting they were wrong about our president.

Yeah right... that would be the day.


I think the economy will recover, so long as Obamacare and cap'n tax are soundly defeated.


In other words, it will recover if Obama doesn't continue fucking it up.

[ratm1221]

Obama should have done what President Hoover did when he saw the economy going down the toilet. Laissez faire fixes everything.

[DarkReign]

I think the economy will recover, so long as Obamacare and cap'n tax are soundly defeated.

Prepare for severe disappointment.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aM0zj0YsJ8fk

If the economy recovers, we will see all of these naysayers posting thread after thread admitting they were wrong about our president.

Yeah right... that would be the day.
i will if it happens. i'm cynical, but will give credit where it's due.

[LnGrrrR]

Oh, he signed the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay act. That was a good move, as the court case that led to the law seemed to be a dumb judgment.

[SonOfAGun]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aM0zj0YsJ8fk

If the economy recovers, we will see all of these naysayers posting thread after thread admitting they were wrong about our president.

Yeah right... that would be the day.

Good thought, but that result is not logical considering the means being used to try and get us there.

Inside secret to blow your mind in 3...2....1....
Recovering the economy is not their goal.

:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow

[ratm1221]

Good thought, but that result is not logical considering the means being used to try and get us there.

Inside secret to blow your mind in 3...2....1....
Recovering the economy is not their goal.

:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow

Yeah, massive government spending is dumb. I mean look how bad it failed to get us out of The Great Depression. WWII cost us around 5 trillion (300ish billion at the time, inflation's a bitch). Crushed us didn't it?

[jack sommerset]

Obama thought like everyone else the economy would naturally recover. He bullshited everyone on that stimulus bill, played chicken little, threw in all the earmarks to help his buddies out and now that is has gotten worse he will not get that benifit of the doubt he has been getting from the common folks. There thinking he should have actually put together a stimulus package instead of putting together a bill to fund policy changes the dems could not get past over the years. Plus no way in hell the 5 million votes that put him over McCain thought Obama was this far left. Cap and trade equals BULLSHIT. That health plan is fucking BULLSHIT.

[Spursmania]

The more I know about the stimulus bill, the more I realize we were duped. The more I know about Obama's health care the more I feel we are headed in the wrong direction.

He is not the moderate Dem I thought he would be when me and my spouse mistakenly jumped party and voted for him. Never again will we jump party to follow tax and spend liberals. This president is more socialist than I ever dreamed possible.

[LnGrrrR]

Obama thought like everyone else the economy would naturally recover. He bullshited everyone on that stimulus bill, played chicken little, threw in all the earmarks to help his buddies out and now that is has gotten worse he will not get that benifit of the doubt he has been getting from the common folks. There thinking he should have actually put together a stimulus package instead of putting together a bill to fund policy changes the dems could not get past over the years. Plus no way in hell the 5 million votes that put him over McCain thought Obama was this far left. Cap and trade equals BULLSHIT. That health plan is fucking BULLSHIT.

You forgot to throw a homophobic slur into this post.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Dow tops 9,000 as home sales rise for 3rd month
Stocks extend rally after jump in home sales; Dow crosses 9,000 for first time since January

By Tim Paradis and Sara Lepro, AP Business Writers
On Thursday July 23, 2009, 12:02 pm EDT

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Dow Jones industrials are back above 9,000 for the first time since the beginning of January.

Investors are snapping up stocks across the market Thursday, sending major indexes up about 2 percent, after a report showed existing home sales jumped for the third straight month.

A 3.6-percent increase in June home sales has investors excited that the hard-hit housing market might be improving. The National Association of Realtors said sales came in at 4.89 million last month, above the 4.84 million analysts had been expecting.

Several better-than-expected earnings reports also helped boost investor sentiment. Ford Motor Co. surprised the market with a second-quarter profit of $2.3 billion due mainly to a huge gain for debt reduction, while drug maker Wyeth, cigarette maker Philip Morris International Inc. and candy maker Hershey Co. all raised their profit forecasts for the year.

Investors were able to look past a government report showing a bigger-than-expected rise in new jobless claims. The Labor Department said the number of new claims for unemployment benefits rose by 30,000 last week to 554,000, slightly above analysts' estimates. However, a Labor Department analyst said the report was distorted by the timing of auto plant shutdowns.

Also, total unemployment benefit rolls fell to the lowest level since mid-April.

After a month of wayward trading, stocks restarted the market's spring rally early last week after companies like Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Intel Corp. got earnings season off to a good start with solid reports.

"Things are getting much better and the market is pricing it in," said Phil Orlando, chief equity market strategist at Federated Investors.

In midday trading, the Dow rose 174.20, or 2 percent, to 9,055.46. The blue chips last traded and closed above 9,000 on Jan. 6.

The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose 21.79, or 2.3 percent, to 975.86, while the Nasdaq composite index rose 43.64, or 2.3 percent, to 1,970.02.

Advancing issues outnumbered decliners by about 6 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 491.8 million shares, compared to 414.6 million traded at the same point Wednesday.

A wave of merger-and-acquisition activity also supported the market. Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. said it plans to acquire Medarex Inc. for about $2.1 billion, the latest in a string of acquisitions by the drug maker. Medarex surged $7.47, or 89 percent, to $15.87, while Bristol-Myers rose 35 cents to $20.64.

Meanwhile, Amazon.com Inc. agreed to buy Zappos.com Inc., a privately held online shoe store, in a deal worth about $850 million. Amazon rose $4.72, or 5.3 percent, to $93.51.

Ford's profit was a huge improvement over the record $8.7 billion loss the company reported the same quarter a year earlier. Without one-time gains, the car maker would have lost $424 million, or 21 cents per share. That is still smaller than the loss of 50 cents per share analysts had been expecting. Ford rose 63 cents, or 9.9 percent, to $7.01.

Wyeth posted a better-than-expected 13 percent jump in second-quarter profit, as cost cuts overshadowed lower sales. It rose 29 cents to $47.15.

Philip Morris said earnings fell 9 percent as the stronger dollar shrunk profit earned in other currencies. The stock jumped $2.64, or 6 percent, to $46.52.

And Hershey said its quarterly profit leapt 72 percent thanks to a price hike and a new advertising effort. The shares rose $2.18, or 5.6 percent, to $41.13.

AT&T Inc. and 3M Co. reported drops in earnings, but their results exceeded analysts' expectations. AT&T rose 21 cents to $26.11, and 3M rose $3.60, or 5.6 percent, to $68.27.

Bond prices fell, pushing their yields higher, as money flowed back into the stock market and out of safe-haven investments. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which is closely tied to home mortgage rates, rose to 3.65 percent from 3.55 percent late Wednesday.

The dollar mostly fell against other major currencies, while gold prices dipped.

Oil prices rose $1.44 to $66.83 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies gained 14.46, or 2.7 percent, to 543.16.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average closed up 0.7 percent. Britain's FTSE 100 rose 1.5 percent, while Germany's DAX index jumped 2.5 percent and France's CAC-40 rose 2.1 percent.


Since the dead enders have stated this is Obama's economy now shouldn't they be celebrating his economic policies? The economy is getting better regardless of what anyone states..

So let's see if any of you kool aid drinkers have any intellectual integrity to give Obama's policies props...

Or maybe you need to rethink this It's Obama's economy now' mantra...

[sam1617]

Since the dead enders have stated this is Obama's economy now shouldn't they be celbrating his economic policies? The economy is getting better regardless of what anyone states..

So let's see if any of you kool aid drinkers have any intellectual integrity to give Obama's policies props...

Or maybe you need to rethink this It's Obama's economy now' mantra...

Of course its getting better short term, I don't think that is the real concern with any of this, we threw hundreds of billions of dollars at the problem, lets see whether the economy actually gets fixed, with business models changing to match the change in peoples spending, or if we just continue on our path of being a credit driven society, where no one really pays off their debts. Long term, I still think that we are screwed economically, and the fall is just going to be that much harder now.

Although, for getting better, we still aren't seeing any real uptick in consumer spending, and we are still losing jobs, with not much if any increase in hiring.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Of course its getting better short term, I don't think that is the real concern with any of this, we threw hundreds of billions of dollars at the problem, lets see whether the economy actually gets fixed, with business models changing to match the change in peoples spending, or if we just continue on our path of being a credit driven society, where no one really pays off their debts. Long term, I still think that we are screwed economically, and the fall is just going to be that much harder now.

Although, for getting better, we still aren't seeing any real uptick in consumer spending, and we are still losing jobs, with not much if any increase in hiring.


How or when will we ever know if the economy is fixed? I am not trying to be a smart ass but seriously will we ever know?

[Wild Cobra]

Oh, he signed the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay act. That was a good move, as the court case that led to the law seemed to be a dumb judgment.
From what I read, looks like a good law. I just hope it had no pork attached to it.

[sam1617]

How or when will we ever know if the economy is fixed? I am not trying to be a smart ass but seriously will we ever know?

We won't. Its not like people can agree that the New Deal fixed the economy, or if WWII fixed it...

Things to look for in a fixed economy IMO, increased saving, moderate spending, decrease in debt, both government, corporate and personal. Increases in production of goods, starting to export more than we import. Increases in jobs. Gradual increases are better IMO.

The stock market isn't a great indicator to me... It was high for a long time, with a bad economic model that was doomed for failure, so if it increases, who cares.

Of course, I'm not an economist (cause they do such a good job), so my opinion very well could be wrong... I'm just going by gut feeling of what should be fixed, and how we can tell ;)

[SnakeBoy]

Since the dead enders have stated this is Obama's economy now shouldn't they be celebrating his economic policies? The economy is getting better regardless of what anyone states..

So let's see if any of you kool aid drinkers have any intellectual integrity to give Obama's policies props...

Or maybe you need to rethink this It's Obama's economy now' mantra...

The economy is all better now.:lmao

[Yonivore]

I think this president has told more bald-faced, demonstrable lies than any previous president in modern history -- including Bill Clinton.

This guy has absolutely no relationship with facts.

[Yonivore]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/media/ChartHealth771.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

This guy has absolutely no relationship with facts.
No, he loves f.A.C.T.s:

Fabrications to Actively Control the 'Tards

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think this president has told more bald-faced, demonstrable lies than any previous president in modern history -- including Bill Clinton.

This guy has absolutely no relationship with facts.

Well let's just hope he has a better grasp of facts than the previous guy..the one who started a war based on 'facts'...

[Yonivore]

Well let's just hope he has a better grasp of facts than the previous guy..the one who started a war based on 'facts'...
Well, this president seems intent on continuing that policy. So, maybe there was more to the previous administration's position than this lying bastard is willing to admit.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well, this president seems intent on continuing that policy. So, maybe there was more to the previous administration's position than this lying bastard is willing to admit.

you mean dealing with the mess that was left him by a couple of lying bastards?

[Yonivore]

you mean dealing with the mess that was left him by a couple of lying bastards?
What mess?

What lies?

[George Gervin's Afro]

What mess?

What lies?

[CharlieMac]

I'm gonna say his heart is in the right place when it comes to healthcare. It's just not a realistic approach and there are definitely too many loose ends.

Decent hoops game.

And he has no shame in the mom-jeans.

[Spursmania]

Obama knows about Chicago community organizing. He knows what it is to achieve the American dream, especially as a black man in this country.

He knows absolutely nothing about health care or how it works. This bill is a mess, and he just wants to be known as the president who passed health care despite the consequences of it for our country.

Why do people come to the US for health care?? Because they don't like the care they receive in their respective countries, including Canada and Great Britain. This bill is not about quality it's just about giving everyone some sort of base health care. But Obamacare will affect the way the rest of us receive health care.

While everyone gets basic health care, the rest of us will get lower quality care at a severe cost. Don't even think about your parents' health care. Our medical choices will be taken away from us and by the time we know it it will be too late for us to get our individual choice back. Americans will have to follow what the government says we can and cannot have.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

He knows absolutely nothing about health care or how it works. This bill is a mess, and he just wants to be known as the president who passed health care despite the consequences of it for our country.
it's not if you win or lose it's how you look doing it.



Why do people come to the US for health care?? Because they don't like the care they receive in their respective countries, including Canada and Great Britain. didn't you hear, silly. they come here 'cause they like to "splurge". geez, don't you know in these hard times people just "splurge" on things that just aren't of good quality.

[doobs]

Some good things: Obama represents real progress for blacks in this country; thus far, Obama's foreign policy isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be; it's nice to have a president who is popular in other countries.

You know what bothers me about Obama, more than anything else? His pretense.

He thinks he knows everything about everything. Executive compensation, financial regulation, health insurance, police procedure in the Skip Gates case, red pills and blue pills, tonsillectomies . . . which is a fine and acceptable quality in a douchebag friend who likes to pontificate . . . but when it's the president you have to be concerned about governmental overreach. His arrogance leads him to substitute his own judgment for that of the private sector more often than not.

[MB20]

The best thing about Obama: He has not declared any stupid war.

[Winehole23]

The best thing about Obama: He has not declared any stupid war.No, but Obama is escalating in Afghanistan. Which could make things considerably more difficult for Pakistan, currently in a hot war with elements of the Taliban.

Unless the escalation is a bid to force a political settlement (i.e., talks with the Taliban), it appears to be part of a policy of open-ended nation-building in Afghanistan. If Afghanistan turns out to be a *generational* commitment, a large share of the responsibility for this will go to Obama.

[symple19]

I'll say one nice thing. Obama hasn't fucked up Afghanistan yet. It seems he's going to get out of the way and let Gens McChrystal and Petraeus do their thing. He needs to make sure he doesn't say, "absolutely not" to sending more troops if needed. He also didn't release the torture pictures or decide to let his AG go after CIA operatives...Yet

[sam1617]

No, but Obama is escalating in Afghanistan. Which could make things considerably more difficult for Pakistan, currently in a hot war with elements of the Taliban.

Unless the escalation is a bid to force a political settlement (i.e., talks with the Taliban), it appears to be part of a policy of open-ended nation-building in Afghanistan. If Afghanistan turns out to be a *generational* commitment, a large share of the responsibility for this will go to Obama.

Afghanistan is so damn screwed... There isn't any way, short of just nuking the whole damn place, to fix it. Soviets tried brute force, it failed. We are trying a combination of brute force and being "nice" for lack of a better term, its failing.

Without a multi-generational commitment from the industrial world, I don't see how we can convert the people of Afghanistan to a more "civilized" way of life.

[LnGrrrR]

I'll say one nice thing. Obama hasn't fucked up Afghanistan yet. It seems he's going to get out of the way and let Gens McChrystal and Petraeus do their thing. He needs to make sure he doesn't say, "absolutely not" to sending more troops if needed. He also didn't release the torture pictures or decide to let his AG go after CIA operatives...Yet

Obama has no official say on what the Attorney General does. In fact, the Attorney General MUST be apolitical and not be seen to be influenced by the President, for obvious reasons.

[Wild Cobra]

Anything good to say about ObamaHe makes Forest Gump look smart!

[George Gervin's Afro]

He makes Forest Gump look smart!

Well we ca all agree that he is smarter than you are so now we have:

1. forrest gump
2. Barak Obama
3. WC

:lmao

[Yonivore]

Obama has no official say on what the Attorney General does. In fact, the Attorney General MUST be apolitical and not be seen to be influenced by the President, for obvious reasons.
:lmao

Kind of like Inspectors General are supposed to be immune from administration influence?

I don't think this president believes those rules apply to him.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao

Kind of like Inspectors General are supposed to be immune from administration influence?

I don't think this president believes those rules apply to him.
Of course he doesn't. Any time someone disagrees with him, his minions can chalk it off as racism, and change the story.

[Upstate]

Obama has been President for 7 months and has passed 2 giant bills. The stimulis and '' the bailout''. Some economist like Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman said his stimulis was too small for the size of the hole we had in our economy. Most economists said we needed both the bailout and the stimulis in some capacity. The bickering was over what size it should be. Understanding this is political kindergarten and it really isn't up for debate. McCain would have done the same thing , just on a smaller scale. We will see if this leads to a quicker recovery, but this economic theory is legitimate. The Dow already went over 9k this week and will only rise from here. Usually the market recovers first then the jobs come. Unemployment will probably start going down next year.

[jack sommerset]

Obama has been President for 7 months and has passed 2 giant bills. The stimulis and '' the bailout''. Some economist like Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman said his stimulis was too small for the size of the hole we had in our economy. Most economists said we needed both the bailout and the stimulis in some capacity. The bickering was over what size it should be. Understanding this is political kindergarten and it really isn't up for debate. McCain would have done the same thing , just on a smaller scale. We will see if this leads to a quicker recovery, but this economic theory is legitimate. The Dow already went over 9k this week and will only rise from here. Usually the market recovers first then the jobs come. Unemployment will probably start going down next year.

Or he could have had zero earmarks,spend more than 10 percent of the money in the first 7 months,lower everyones taxes,stop wasting time on cap and trade,FREE health care for everyone and start kicking illegals back to there countries so we can give those millions out of work a shot at a job.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is cute. Conservatives are butt hurt because after 8 years of Bush, jr. they couldn't come up with a single thing to answer this very question so now they are tying to put it on the democrat when its oh so obviously too early to tell.

This thread is just sour grapes and nothing more.

Domestic policy:

Bailout: too early to see what happens with GM et al.
Stimulus: too early even with the increase in consumer spending. it takes at least a year anyway to see how economic policies are going to work
Sotamayor: shes not even confirmed.
Health care: the bills aren't even out of committee.

Foreign policy:

Shift of military focus from Iraq to Afghanistan: the campaign isn't even fully executed. The new general was only put in charge less than a month ago.

You cannot say hes not done anything. That would be ludicrous. OTOH for policies that have only been instituted a couple of months you guys sure want to jump the gun.

What I really find disgusting are the people rooting for these policies to fail. At home, that means that people are going to lose their jobs and homes and overseas, it means our servicemen and women are going to lose their lives. Its despicable.

[Spursmania]

:worthy::worthy:Obama...

[Wild Cobra]

Usually the market recovers first then the jobs come. Unemployment will probably start going down next year.
No shit, and the markets would have recovered much faster without the bailout.

[jack sommerset]

This is cute. Conservatives are butt hurt because after 8 years of Bush, jr. they couldn't come up with a single thing to answer this very question so now they are tying to put it on the democrat when its oh so obviously too early to tell.

This thread is just sour grapes and nothing more.

Domestic policy:

Bailout: too early to see what happens with GM et al.
Stimulus: too early even with the increase in consumer spending. it takes at least a year anyway to see how economic policies are going to work
Sotamayor: shes not even confirmed.
Health care: the bills aren't even out of committee.

Foreign policy:

Shift of military focus from Iraq to Afghanistan: the campaign isn't even fully executed. The new general was only put in charge less than a month ago.

You cannot say hes not done anything. That would be ludicrous. OTOH for policies that have only been instituted a couple of months you guys sure want to jump the gun.

What I really find disgusting are the people rooting for these policies to fail. At home, that means that people are going to lose their jobs and homes and overseas, it means our servicemen and women are going to lose their lives. Its despicable.


Give it a rest. Obama is a fail. Obama dems are a fail. 3 years 5 months left. People should be ashamed of themselves putting a man in charge that has ZERO experience. ASHAMED.... Clinton should be our president and YES she would have stimulated the economy and she would not have done a number of bullshit things this fag has done. Seriously...No bullshit...This guy has hurt our country. His mask has been lifted and he is a socialist left winger Jimmy Carter would not be proud of.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Give it a rest. Obama is a fail. Obama dems are a fail. 3 years 5 months left. People should be ashamed of themselves putting a man in charge that has ZERO experience. ASHAMED.... Clinton should be our president and YES she would have stimulated the economy and she would not have done a number of bullshit things this fag has done. Seriously...No bullshit...This guy has hurt our country. His mask has been lifted and he is a socialist left winger Jimmy Carter would not be proud of.

TARP has been showing a profit.

Consumer spending, home sales and the stock market are up. The bill itself left out provisions for small business which IMO is a big issue but the economy has and is showing signs of improvement.

Sotomayor is a former corporate lawyer that I personally do not trust. OTOH she hasn't even overseen one case.

Health care: bills aren't even out of committe but the CBO is saying that the senate plan actually will lower current costs and that the house plan is very fucked up.

Afghanistan: the joint attacks by us and the pakistanis are pushing the Taliban out of provinces that had been in their control for over a year and were fucking up their poppy crop.

Thats not fail. Thats you being a partisan douchebag.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No shit, and the markets would have recovered much faster without the bailout.

LMAO, I love this new conservative tactic. No serious economic recession has self adjusted since the great depression.

The Great Depression took the $300 billion that was WW2.

The depression after the 1978 oil crisis took Reagan making massive tax cuts and creating a trillion dollar debt.

The recession in the early 90s took major restructuring of the tax code and Clinton repealing Glass-Steagall which gave us out roaring 20's but has put us in the clusterfuck we're in right now.

Markets don't correct themselves. It was the huge issue in the late 19th and early 20th century where people like you thought they would. Go read some Keynes and learn something about economics.

[jack sommerset]

Thats not fail. Thats you being a partisan douchebag.

He is a fail and no I am not a partisan. Wake up. Rest of America is.

When someone disgrees with u,,,u call them a partisan. Can you say hypocrite? Remember this, never think this is not true for one moment.... Not one single second when you reply to Jack Sommerst. I wanted Clinton for Prez not McCain. But I voted for McCain because Obama (what was SOOOOOO Obvious then) a man with no humility,little self respect,zero experience and a liar.So go fuck yourself faggot.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He is a fail and no I am not a partisan. Wake up. Rest of America is.

When someone disgrees with u,,,u call them a partisan. Can you say hypocrite? Remember this, never think this is not true for one moment.... Not one single second when you reply to Jack Sommerst. I wanted Clinton for Prez not McCain. But I voted for McCain because Obama (what was SOOOOOO Obvious then) a man with no humility,little self respect,zero experience and a liar.So go fuck yourself faggot.

Ad hominem. The last bastion of those with no leg to stand on.


July 24, 2009

Obama Widely Perceived as a Strong and Decisive Leader
Sixty-seven percent of Americans say that Obama is a strong and decisive leader and another two-thirds say that he understands the problems Americans face in their daily lives.

http://www.gallup.com/video/121853/Two-Thirds-Obama-Strong-Decisive-Leader.aspx

[jack sommerset]

Ad hominem. The last bastion of those with no leg to stand on.



http://www.gallup.com/video/121853/Two-Thirds-Obama-Strong-Decisive-Leader.aspx

:lmao

[Yonivore]

Was it Gallup or another leading pollster that got caught fudging in the last presidential election? Could have been Zogby, I don't remember.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao

You can laugh all you want but youre claiming that americans are 'waking up' when 2/3 disagree with you. The facts show you to be dead wrong. I'm sure thats common for you.

[jack sommerset]

You can laugh all you want but youre claiming that americans are 'waking up' when 2/3 disagree with you. The facts show you to be dead wrong. I'm sure thats common for you.

They are waking up fag and you know this. That is what I am laughing at. His approval rate is as low as 49 percent in some polls. National average is about 54 percent. That is not 2/3 pal. You can spin shit all you want. Personally I could careless if you get it. Fact is the people who don't vote dem down the line are getting it and that is important. Fact that he could not horse feed this shit filled health bill is a big freaken deal. The best thing for Obama to do right now is stay off the TV. Sure this asshole will have people defend him for spending a million dollars for date night or calling the police stupid but most cant stand this asshole and the more the US citizens get to know this jerk and see what he really is,a left wing socialist the easy it will be to say "no" to his stupid, stupid policies. 3 years 5 months left.

[George Gervin's Afro]

They are waking up fag and you know this. That is what I am laughing at. His approval rate is as low as 49 percent in some polls. National average is about 54 percent. That is not 2/3 pal. You can spin shit all you want. Personally I could careless if you get it. Fact is the people who don't vote dem down the line are getting it and that is important. Fact that he could not horse feed this shit filled health bill is a big freaken deal. The best thing for Obama to do right now is stay off the TV. Sure this asshole will have people defend him for spending a million dollars for date night or calling the police stupid but most cant stand this asshole and the more the US citizens get to know this jerk and see what he really is,a left wing socialist the easy it will be to say "no" to his stupid, stupid policies. 3 years 5 months left.


in case anyone hasn't noticed jack has a fag thing going on...things will get beter and you'll look even more stupid than you do now..fag..:lmao


fuzzy save your time with douche he doesn't have an ounce of intellectual honesty or integrity

[Creepn]

The police are stupid. Remember that kid being shot in the back? Remember that man being tased off of a roof and falling to his death? Remember the cop denying that man's right to see his dying mother in law after repeated pleadings?

Police do stupid shit and just because its not nationally reported doesn't mean a variety of stupid cop shit doesn't happen often.

I have one personal story. I pulled over to the side in a parking lot to give some guys directions to a certian place. 3 cop cars pulled up on us, told us to lie face down because they thought I was selling drugs to them. They just said "Wrong place right time" and left.

[jack sommerset]

in case anyone hasn't noticed jack has a fag thing going on...things will get beter and you'll look even more stupid than you do now..fag..:lmao


fuzzy save your time with douche he doesn't have an ounce of intellectual honesty or integrity

Fuck. Take ur own advice fag. You can't seem to stay away from me.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Fuck. Take ur own advice fag. You can't seem to stay away from me.

you stupidity and ignorance humor me what can I say..fag..:toast

[Yonivore]

Can you two get a room and a babysitter?

[Def Rowe]

I'm going to make a bumper sticker that says Conservatives should listen to Fuzzy Lumpkins. People will have no idea what the fuck that means. That would be funny to me.

[jack sommerset]

you stupidity and ignorance humor me what can I say..fag..:toast

I am being called stupid by a stupid fag. I'm going to take a nap.

[jack sommerset]

Can you two get a room and a babysitter?

Maybe we can share you and chumpys babysitter.

[symple19]

Obama has no official say on what the Attorney General does. In fact, the Attorney General MUST be apolitical and not be seen to be influenced by the President, for obvious reasons.
This is true in an ideal world, but not true in ours for quite some time. Holder, as have been previous AGs of late, are just another political cabinet post who answer to the person who put them there.In this case Obama. There have been rumblings that he'll go ahead and do some of these things anyway, like appoint a special prosecutor, but it won't happen.

BTW. I loathe Obama. I just want to at least try and give the dude some credit where it is due. I'm not into partisan douchebaggery. I'm a proud, registered independent.

[SnakeBoy]

This is cute. Conservatives are butt hurt because after 8 years of Bush, jr. they couldn't come up with a single thing to answer this very question so now they are tying to put it on the democrat when its oh so obviously too early to tell.

This thread is just sour grapes and nothing more.

Domestic policy:

Bailout: too early to see what happens with GM et al.
Stimulus: too early even with the increase in consumer spending. it takes at least a year anyway to see how economic policies are going to work
Sotamayor: shes not even confirmed.
Health care: the bills aren't even out of committee.

Foreign policy:

Shift of military focus from Iraq to Afghanistan: the campaign isn't even fully executed. The new general was only put in charge less than a month ago.

You cannot say hes not done anything. That would be ludicrous. OTOH for policies that have only been instituted a couple of months you guys sure want to jump the gun.

What I really find disgusting are the people rooting for these policies to fail. At home, that means that people are going to lose their jobs and homes and overseas, it means our servicemen and women are going to lose their lives. Its despicable.

So what's your assessment now Fuzzy?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So what's your assessment now Fuzzy?

The bailout/stimulus ended up as the another cash grab for preferred lobbies and demonstrated that Obama was going to be status quo instead of addressing the needs of the common man.

I am not familiar with any decisions of significance that Sotomayor made beyond voting against citizens united so I appreciate that.

Health Care I am unsure of although it doesn't seem to be the price spiral that it was before. The hospital and AMA cabal still exists.

The surge was successful and then portrayed as having finished the job. It's obviously a clusterfuck now.

Biggest criticism is the big old shit he took on civil liberties.

[Jacob1983]

Limp Bizkit's "Counterfeit" pretty much sums up Obama in my opinion.

[boutons_deux]

There is absolutely no doubt that Congressional Repugs, esp the Kock-sucking tea baggers, have been total, bad-faith, misgoverning/NONgoverning, obstructive BASTARDS while Obama has at least tried to govern. Then add in the insanity of the activist Repug SCOTUS5 corporate shills.

The wonderfulness in its benefits to Human-Americans of ACA is proven by the vehemence of the Repugs' attacks on ACA.

All y'all Kenyan Muslim Nigga haters are naive if you think any President can overide the Deep State. eg, DoD just ordered $250M more armaments from Raytheon. War is a just another Business.

Same for the financial sector as being untouchable by Obama/Holder. No Repug President would have, nor will EVER, touch the financial sector.

[DarrinS]

There is absolutely no doubt that Congressional Repugs, esp the Kock-sucking tea baggers, have been total, bad-faith, misgoverning/NONgoverning, obstructive BASTARDS while Obama has at least tried to govern. Then add in the insanity of the activist Repug SCOTUS5 corporate shills.

The wonderfulness in its benefits to Human-Americans of ACA is proven by the vehemence of the Repugs' attacks on ACA.

All y'all Kenyan Muslim Nigga haters are naive if you think any President can overide the Deep State. eg, DoD just ordered $250M more armaments from Raytheon. War is a just another Business.

Same for the financial sector as being untouchable by Obama/Holder. No Repug President would have, nor will EVER, touch the financial sector.


:cry

[TheSanityAnnex]

There is absolutely no doubt that Congressional Repugs, esp the Kock-sucking tea baggers, have been total, bad-faith, misgoverning/NONgoverning, obstructive BASTARDS while Obama has at least tried to govern. Then add in the insanity of the activist Repug SCOTUS5 corporate shills.

The wonderfulness in its benefits to Human-Americans of ACA is proven by the vehemence of the Repugs' attacks on ACA.

All y'all Kenyan Muslim Nigga haters are naive if you think any President can overide the Deep State. eg, DoD just ordered $250M more armaments from Raytheon. War is a just another Business.

Same for the financial sector as being untouchable by Obama/Holder. No Repug President would have, nor will EVER, touch the financial sector.
So you don't have anything good to say about Obama...cool.

[Clipper Nation]

Limp Bizkit's "Counterfeit" pretty much sums up Obama in my opinion.
:lol Listening to Limp Bizkit ever, let alone in 2014

[boutons_deux]

So you don't have anything good to say about Obama...cool.

ACA will be his last accomplishment.

ARRA helped the country, but was limited, natch, by Repugs.

His EPA has been doing good stuff, too.

he raised govt salaries

he forced contractors to pay $10.10/hour

1. Passed Health Care Reform
2. Passed the Stimulus
3. Passed Wall Street Reform.
4. Ended the War in Iraq
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry
8. Recapitalized Banks
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi
11. Told Mubarak to Go
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending
15. Created Race to the Top.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis
18. Passed Mini Stimuli
19. Began Asia “Pivot”
20. Increased Support for Veterans
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court
26. Improved Food Safety System.
27. Achieved New START Treaty
28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009
29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection.
30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco.
31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders
32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act
33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense
34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown.
35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission
36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology.
37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests.
38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges.
39. Improved School Nutrition.
40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections.
41. Avoided Scandal.
42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill.
43. Created Recovery.gov.
44. Pushed Broadband Coverage.
45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children
46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide
47. Expanded Stem Cell Research.
48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers.
49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence.
50. Killed the F-22

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/29/1219935/-Obama-s-50-Greatest-Progressive-Accomplishments#

[DarrinS]

Lol, "Avoided scandal"

:lmao

[spurraider21]

:lol Listening to Limp Bizkit ever, let alone in 2014
they were arite around like 2002 :lol

[boutons_deux]

Lol, "Avoided scandal"

:lmao

so you're ok with the other 49?

[TheSanityAnnex]

If Obama ended the war in Iraq than he is responsible for IS right bouts? Or did Bush end the war in Iraq?

[TheSanityAnnex]

#40 :lol expanded protections making sure blacks were never charged with them.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

TSA is like that guy that is dumb as fuck but thinks that yelling and repeating the same inane drivel over and again somehow makes his arguments better.

[TheSanityAnnex]

TSA is like that guy that is dumb as fuck but thinks that yelling and repeating the same inane drivel over and again somehow makes his arguments better.


What's up dipshit! Got any new Michael Brown information to share from last week?

[DarrinS]

so you're ok with the other 49?

Was pretty much giggling through the entire list, but really lol'ed when I saw #41.