Support for Obama on healthcare slips: poll

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_healthcare_poll;_ylt=AnkR0erNyXJdF.8Ed7BSHW qs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJucW00cjA1BGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMDkwNz IwL3VzX3VzYV9oZWFsdGhjYXJlX3BvbGwEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMz BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA2Z1bGxuYnNwc3Rvcg--

[boutons_deux]

The millions spent by the health-care industry to buy ads and politicans to maintain their predatory status quo are paying off.

The more sicked up people are (thank you, agri/food/chem business), the more fucked up the health care system, the more $Ts for the health care "cost producers".

[SonOfAGun]

Predatory status quo is awesome.

It saved my father's life last year.

[Spursmania]

Predatory status quo is awesome.

It saved my father's life last year.

Yeah, this shitty health care system we currently have saved my dad 3 years ago when he had to undergo 8 bypass surgery. He died twice on the operating table, and they revived him. He has recovered 100% and is doing great.

With this government health care dream of Obama's, I don't think my father's life would have been saved. They would have said he's too old, and we're not doing anything else...next.

[Jacob1983]

Obama's approval rating will be between 30 and 40 percent in December. Book it!

[Bender]

just like a while back when someone posted that graph of approval ratings of the past 11 pres's... many of them started pretty high, then quickly went on a steep downhill slide...

[Winehole23]

Obama's approval rating will be between 30 and 40 percent in December. Book it!Booked.

[Winehole23]

Wanna bet?

[Winehole23]

In the thirties, right?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I thought our right wing friends admired bush for not governing according to polls.. he was man with a plan no matter what any poll told him..my how things have changed..

[Spursmania]

http://www.dare2sayit.com/socialists-change-obama-786775.jpg

[boutons_deux]

anecdotal successes are meaningless, but that's ok with fact-free wrongies.

My point isn't about the quality or success of medical care, but its cost.

$75K for a heart operation in USA probably costly $25K, FOR THE SAME OUTCOME, elsewhere.

[sam1617]

anecdotal successes are meaningless, but that's ok with fact-free wrongies.

My point isn't about the quality or success of medical care, but its cost.

$75K for a heart operation in USA probably costly $25K, FOR THE SAME OUTCOME, elsewhere.

Is it the same quality heart surgery? I can say that a Dodge Neon with 150,000 miles for $1,000 is a better deal than a new Dodge Neon for $12k, but that doesn't help me when my cheap car dies, or costs me another $4k in repairs...

[spurster]

As anecdotes, you can find successes and failures in every health care system. What you have to compare are the overall statistics, and many other countries with universal health care have better outcomes statistically at a much lower cost.

[Spursmania]

Yes, but how long do you have to wait to be seen? How long until you actually get operated on? It's a known fact, that accessibility and surgical procedures in a universal health care system require approval, waiting,rationing and finally getting on a waiting list. So, it may cost less because it is planned for 12 months and you don't have the best Doctors performing the procedure. In the meantime, good luck.

[Spursmania]

As anecdotes, you can find successes and failures in every health care system. What you have to compare are the overall statistics, and many other countries with universal health care have better outcomes statistically at a much lower cost.\


My question stems from experience, in Germany, everybody had to contribute to the system.

What do we, as Americans say, to the sustainability of healthcare reform, when only one segment of society is paying for everybody's healthcare? And how long will that last given changes in leadership?

The premise is already flawed by asking the smallest segment (2-3%) of society to burden the load. It's evident, this will not last, thus I wonder if everyone who wants healthcare would still agree if they knew they were going to be taxed an extra 1-5.4% of their income to pay for health care. What's good for the geese is good for the gander, I believe.

[sam1617]

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My question stems from experience, in Germany, everybody had to contribute to the system.

What do we, as Americans say, to the sustainability of healthcare reform, when only one segment of society is paying for everybody's healthcare? And how long will that last given changes in leadership?

The premise is already flawed by asking the smallest segment (2-3%) of society to burden the load. It's evident, this will not last, thus I wonder if everyone who wants healthcare would still agree if they knew they were going to be taxed an extra 1-5.4% of their income to pay for health care. What's good for the geese is good for the gander, I believe.


I've always wondered why people think its a great idea to overtax the one group of people who have the financial ability to just leave the country and quit paying taxes... It just seems like a bad plan to put an unreasonably large burden on them...

[Wild Cobra]

Obama's approval rating will be between 30 and 40 percent in December. Book it!
If it weren't for those of a solid racial pride, I would say his approval would dip below President Bush's.

[ElNono]

The premise is already flawed by asking the smallest segment (2-3%) of society to burden the load.

They already have the heaviest load on taxes, and they've been doing it for a very long time now. That's the reason they ship their money overseas and try to dodge paying taxes in every which way.


It's evident, this will not last, thus I wonder if everyone who wants healthcare would still agree if they knew they were going to be taxed an extra 1-5.4% of their income to pay for health care. What's good for the geese is good for the gander, I believe.

If there would be a plan that:
- Would reduce healthcare costs overall (both on care and medicine)
- Provide basic care for those that can't afford it
- Allow those that want to choose a more complete private plan to do so, and their payments to that plan would be tax deductible

...then I would be more than glad to spare an extra 5% of my income to fund such a plan. To be honest, the savings from costs overall would actually save me money in the long run.

[LnGrrrR]

If it weren't for those of a solid racial pride, I would say his approval would dip below President Bush's.

Honestly? Bush had near record lows, after a years-long war, Katrina, and other issues. I'm pretty sure that Obama's not gonna hit that in his first year.

[Wild Cobra]

Honestly? Bush had near record lows, after a years-long war, Katrina, and other issues. I'm pretty sure that Obama's not gonna hit that in his first year.
I don't think so either, but I think that's because of racial pride. Look at how many blacks will defend the first black president to the end. Then of course, there's the hard left that will approve of him as long as he appears to try. I think his approvals will drop hard though. I have to give it some thought, but for now, I'll say mid 30's.

And I don't necessarily mean first year. There are too many uniformed people to see how bad he really is. High 30's to mid 40's by January.

[ElNono]

mid 40's by January.

Mid 40's is not necessarily that bad. That was more or less Bush's approval rating when he got reelected.

From here (http://users.pop.umn.edu/~ruggles/2004.htm)