Pick the best right now: Dirk vs KG

[DAF86]

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Who would you rather have in your team for the next season: Kevin Garnett or Dirk Nowitzki?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Are trolls supposed to vote in this poll :lol

[hater]

these polls are BS if the trolls vote. stop wasting ur time

[DAF86]

Are trolls supposed to vote in this poll :lol

I expect even more trolls on this one.

[JamStone]

Would have voted for KG up until maybe even before last season.

Right now, I'd go with Dirk. Douchbaggery has diminished KG's skills. Chihuahua bark.

[DAF86]

these polls are BS if the trolls vote. stop wasting ur time

The results may be BS but the the discussion is OK.

[anakha]

Garnett, if only because one would have to tailor-fit a team around Nowitzki more than around him (especially at the 5).

[z0sa]

The game of basketball is still played on two ends of the court. Therefore, KG is still better than Dirk.

[DAF86]

KG great defensive player - above average offensive player

Dirk great offensive player - below average defensive player

Garnett is better.

[sonic21]

Dirk's D is underrated, he is a decent defender (except last year)

Dirk's offense >> KG's

so i'll go with dirk.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

KG is no longer an "above average" offensive player, all he does is shoot mid range jumpers these days.

[rjv]

i'll go with garnett since he is the better defender.

[z0sa]

Agreed. KG is still pretty monstrous on both ends of the court. Dirk has become a great positional defender, which is part of the reason he snares lots of rebounds, but the rest of his defense is subpar at best. He isn't going to block many shots, get many steals, or take many charges, though he dabbles a little in each.

KG, on the other hand, affects the game defensively so much more than Dirk. I remember some idiotic mavfan (mono) saying if you switched Dirk with KG or Pau in 08, Boston would have swept the Lakers and vice versa :lmao:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

with a below average supporting cast, KG's teams were in the lottery.

with a below average supporting cast, Dirk's teams are still winning 50 games.

the first troll arrives.

[Rogue]

KG great defensive player - above average offensive player

Dirk great offensive player - below average defensive player

Garnett is better.
Dirk - below average defensive player ROFL :lmao Dirk has never locked up any great scorer at low post, but he hasn't ever gotten blown up either. For the furthest I can concede, Dirk is slightly above average in defensive play in today's NBA league.

[Muser]

Dirk.

[DAF86]

KG is no longer an "above average" offensive player, all he does is shoot mid range jumpers these days.

All I know is:

Boston with KG= NBA champions

Boston without KG= 2nd round exit

[z0sa]

KG is no longer an "above average" offensive player, all he does is shoot mid range jumpers these days.

Wow, that doesn't explain Dirk to a T or anything.

[sonic21]

All I know is:

Boston with KG= NBA champions

Boston without KG= 2nd round exit

KG with pierce and allen= nba champions

Dirk with josh howard and terry = finals :wow

So we can't really judge.

[jacobdrj]

All I know is:

Boston with James Posey= NBA champions

Boston without James Posey= 2nd round exit

Fixed
:lol

[Muser]

Are we talking about intensity or Bball?

[urunobili]

Dirk no brainer...

[A_Duke]

Very close, but I will go with Dirk.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

All I know is:

Boston with KG= NBA champions

Boston without KG= 2nd round exit


Dallas with Dirk= 2nd round exit
Dallas w/o Dirk= one of, if not the worst team in the league


And the fact Boston was a game away from the ECF shows how overrated KG is.

[z0sa]

Also, it's not like Spurs fans have any kind of bias against Dirk.

http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0605/nba_a_nowitzki_430.jpg

you mean a bias against Manu? :whine

That 2007 title run we made more than made up for one of the worst officiated series of all time (worse than Miami the same year - mavfans are bitches to whine about 06 all the time)

[DAF86]

KG with pierce and allen= nba champions

Dirk with josh howard and terry = finals :wow

So we can't really judge.

Howard, Terry, Harris, Stackhouse, Dampier, Diop, etc. all at their primes that was a great team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Wow, that doesn't explain Dirk to a T or anything.

You're comparing wide open mid range jumpers where Pierce or Rondo sucked a defender away from KG to Dirk's one legged fade away with a player right in face.

[z0sa]

Dallas with Dirk= 2nd round exit
Dallas w/o Dirk= one of, if not the worst team in the league


And the fact Boston was a game away from the ECF shows how overrated KG is.

or how good the celtics are, more like. The Celtics with KG would have repeated, their only bump in the road a mentally frail Lakers team they pwned the very year before.

[sonic21]

Howard, Terry, Harris, Stackhouse, Dampier, Diop, etc. all at their primes that was a great team.

they all choked in the finals. You need to have other stars to win it all.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Howard, Terry, Harris, Stackhouse, Dampier, Diop, etc. all at their primes that was a great team.


If Dirk had Allen Pierce, Perky, Rondo, Posey, PJ Brown, Eddie House and Sam Cassell, his team would have won it all in 2006.

If KG had the supporting cast I just described his team wouldn't sniff the finals.

[sonic21]

and terry, howard and diop only show up against the spurs

[Phillip]

Dirk > KG

and its not nearly as close as they used to be.

KG's defense is overrated.

Dirk's defense is underrated.

And Dirk always owns KG head to head.

[DAF86]

they all choked in the finals. You need to have other stars to win it all.

Change Dirk for KG in 2008 and I really doubt that the Celtics would have been the champs.

[Rogue]

Howard, Terry, Harris, Stackhouse, Dampier, Diop, etc. all at their primes that was a great team.
Dampier had crapped out since long before 06 while Stack also had entered the 3rd year of his twilight era, Devin Harris was still immature by that time and Diop was simply an x-factor that only plays well when facing Duncan and Spurs. Actually the real help could only be demanded from Jet and Josh, so it was approximately Dirk himself that carried that team into the NBA finals.

[sonic21]

Change Dirk for KG in 2008 and I really doubt that the Celtics would have been the champs.

what now, you really think that?

[DAF86]

If Dirk had Allen Pierce, Perky, Rondo, Posey, PJ Brown, Eddie House and Sam Cassell, his team would have won it all in 2006.

If KG had the supporting cast I just described his team wouldn't sniff the finals.

I doubt that. The reason those guys won the 'ship in '08 was because of their defense, and according to them the reason for that defensive improvment was KG's prescence. He set the tone for everyone.

[DAF86]

what now, you really think that?

Hell yes. Without KG that team wouldn't have been even half as good defensively. And the defense was what won them the championship.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Change Dirk for KG in 2008 and I really doubt that the Celtics would have been the champs.


Because Boston happened to run a system last year that needs a player like KG to succeed.

That'd be like saying I doubt the Suns win 62 games in 2005 with Kobe instead of Nash therefore Nash > Kobe.

[z0sa]

You're comparing wide open mid range jumpers where Pierce or Rondo sucked a defender away from KG to Dirk's one legged fade away with a player right in face.

wrong. I didn't compare shit in that post. I just think its incredulous (read: retarded) to call out KG for shooting jumpers like he has his entire career when comparing him to the world's premiere 7foot jumpshooter.

[hater]

even a Spur fan will say Dirk is a nobrainer. It's like comparing Jason Terry to Manu Ginobili

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I doubt that.


You really don't think Dallas with Perkins, Allen, Pierce, Rondo, Posey, Brown House and Cassell would have won it all in 2006?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Some bitter Spurs fans in here I can see.

[DAF86]

even a Spur fan will say Dirk is a nobrainer. It's like comparing Jason Terry to Manu Ginobili

Yes but Manu would be KG (two locks for the HoF), and Dirk Terry (two that aren't, even though I think Dirk will eventualy get there).

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

wrong. I didn't compare shit in that post. I just think its incredulous (read: retarded) to call out KG for shooting jumpers like he has his entire career when comparing him to the world's premiere 7foot jumpshooter.


Except that's not what I did moron. I said when your offense consists of wide open mid range jumpers someone else creates for you, you're not an "above average" offensive player. Dirk creates virtually every shot he takes.

[Rogue]

even a Spur fan will say Dirk is a nobrainer. It's like comparing Jason Terry to Manu Ginobili
exactly, Manu and KG both are prone to injuries. Healthy Manu and KG are as good as JET and Dirk though.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Hell yes. Without KG that team wouldn't have been even half as good defensively. And the defense was what won them the championship.


They wouldn't have needed to be as good defensively with Dirk instead of KG.

[Rogue]

Except that's not what I did moron. I said when your offense consists of wide open mid range jumpers someone else creates for you, you're not an "above average" offensive player. Dirk creates virtually every shot he takes.
pwned

[sonic21]

Yes but Manu would be KG (two locks for the HoF), and Dirk Terry (two that aren't, even though I think Dirk will eventualy get there).

Dirk > Manu

If manu is a lock, so is dirk

[DAF86]

You really don't think Dallas with Perkins, Allen, Pierce, Rondo, Posey, Brown House and Cassell would have won it all in 2006?

The Allen and Cassel of '06 aren't the same that the Allen and Cassel of '08. And yeah I don't think they would have won it all. 'Cause that team wouldn't be as good on defense as the '08 Celtics. And defense is what wins championships.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yes but Manu would be KG (two locks for the HoF), and Dirk Terry (two that aren't, even though I think Dirk will eventualy get there).


How the hell is Manu a lock for the HoF?

[DAF86]

Dirk > Manu

If manu is a lock, so is dirk

Dirk > Manu on the NBA. On the overall acomplishments of their respective careers Manu > Dirk that's why Manu is already a lock for the HoF and Dirk isn't.

[z0sa]

Except that's not what I did moron.

you made a stupid error, just realize your flawed logic instead of calling someone a moron.


I said when your offense consists of wide open mid range jumpers someone else creates for you,

unless you care to show some homework, you're full of it. KG is a jumpshooter many times, yeah, but creates his offense from the post and from drives on those kickouts as well. Again, retarded to label KG a jumpshooter when you're comparing him to Dirk.


you're not an "above average" offensive player. Dirk creates virtually every shot he takes.

stats, otherwise you're talking out your ass. I fully disagree that your takes are based in reality.
Additionally, 99% of the players in the NBA don't take contested jumpers. Just because Dirk does it, doesn't mean he's a better scorer than anyone. Two points wide open will always be >>>>>> two points under pressure.

Additionally, for being a supposed "title" wanting sunfan, you sure do share d'antoni's philosophy of whoring players out all season so they are tired and battered come playoff time. The Celtics however, are much more experienced as they own 17 titles. They want KG shooting jumpers all season and really becoming the true KG come postseason.

[sonic21]

Dirk > Manu on the NBA. On the overall acomplishments of their respective careers Manu > Dirk that's why Manu is already a lock for the HoF and Dirk isn't.

you're being a hater if you think Dirk isn't a lock

[DAF86]

How the hell is Manu a lock for the HoF?

Only player in the history to win: euroleague (MVP), Olympics (MVP), NBA (one vote short of MVP) and a lot of other acomplishments.

[anakha]

How the hell is Manu a lock for the HoF?

The Basketball Hall of Fame takes into consideration accomplishments outside of the NBA as well.

[DAF86]

you're being a hater if you think Dirk isn't a lock

Maybe he is, but it isn't as sure as Manu's lock.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Dirk > Manu on the NBA. On the overall acomplishments of their respective careers Manu > Dirk that's why Manu is already a lock for the HoF and Dirk isn't.

Manu isn't a lock for the HOF.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:cry:cry:cry:cryI'm bitter

[anakha]

even a Spur fan will say Dirk is a nobrainer. It's like comparing Jason Terry to Manu Ginobili

:depressed

[DAF86]

Manu isn't a lock for the HOF.

Go get informed and come back.

[TDMVPDPOY]

manu isn't a lock for the hof.

nba hof = no

general bball hof = yes

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Go get informed and come back.

How exactly am I supposed to get informed when it's nothing more than a homer opinion I'm disagreeing with?

[DAF86]

nba hof = no

general bball hof = yes

I think there's no such thing as NBA HoF but I could be wrong.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Btw I agree with TDMVPROY if you meant general basketball HoF then yeah probably but not NBA HoF

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I think there's no such thing as NBA HoF but I could be wrong.


There is, that's what I thought you were referring to. General basketball HoF yeah he's def gonna get inducted.

[anakha]

Btw I agree with TDMVPROY if you meant general basketball HoF then yeah probably but not NBA HoF

Is there an NBA Hall of Fame? I don't think there is one.

[DAF86]

How exactly am I supposed to get informed when it's nothing more than a homer opinion I'm disagreeing with?

No really you're making an ass out of yourself. Go see the people that got into the HoF and come come back.

[z0sa]

what exactly would I be bitter about? :lol

you constantly complain about how shitty everything is about your team, fuckin' hypocrite.

Don't foolishly stereotype players you know nothing about (pretty sad you don't know that KG is a basketball virtuoso..).

[DAF86]

There is, that's what I thought you were referring to. General basketball HoF yeah he's def gonna get inducted.

Ok, we're both right then.

[LnGrrrR]

Besides being a homer, I picked KG for his defense. I value defense more than offense. I won't deny that Dirk is a better offensive option, so if you value that more, than vote for Dirk.

Great matchup, btw. Nice choice DAF.

[z0sa]

the fuck is this guy talking about? the "nba" hall of fame is the Naismith, same as everyone else gets inducted into.

www.hoophall.com

there's only one that's ever mattered. there is no "nba" hall of fame outside of this one AFAIK. AKA, NBA players ONLY get accept induction into this hall of fame. So again, dunno what the hell anyone else would be talking about.

Therefore, Manu is a LOCK.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Don't foolishly stereotype players you know nothing about (pretty sad you don't know that KG is a basketball virtuoso..).


KG doesn't post up anymore. I'm not stereotyping him at all. If we were talking about 2004 KG on Minnesota it'd be a different story.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

what exactly would I be bitter about? :lol

you constantly complain about how shitty everything is about your team, fuckin' hypocrite.


Yeah but I don't try to talk down every Spurs player just cause my team has repeatedly lost to them. My view is if your team loses blame your team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

z0sa says I'm talking out of my ass when everyone else seems to agree with me, hmmm

[LnGrrrR]

I would say Dirk is a lock for HoF as much as Ginobili.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

On top of that, KGs only move is his turnaround J from the baseline. He is vastly overrated on offense and defense. I will take Dirk over any PF in the league not named Duncan.

I wouldn't say he's overrated on defense, I think on a really good well coached defensive team you can lose one player and still play good defense. He still is probably the best S/R and help defender in the NBA.

[z0sa]

KG doesn't post up anymore. I'm not stereotyping him at all. If we were talking about 2004 KG on Minnesota it'd be a different story.

Nice stereotyping there (2004 kg). The 2004 KG had more on his shoulders and had to get all their easy buckets near the rim. Now, he can get easy buckets from 18 feet. I'm not sure if you understand how basketball works, contested shots near the rim <<<<< wide open jumpers for KG. Hence why they, you know, kick it out to him in the first place?

I'm beginning to wonder if you're aware of how an offense works.

[DAF86]

I don't know about you but I like my bigmen to play inside and shoot more than 47% form the field, but maybe that's just me.

[hater]

I would say Dirk is a lock for HoF as much as Ginobili.

yup. Eventhough Manu is closer to his 4th ring than Dirk to his 1st

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I don't know about you but I like my bigmen to play inside and shoot more than 47% form the field, but maybe that's just me.

I wasn't aware KG played inside on offense.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nice stereotyping there (2004 kg). The 2004 KG had more on his shoulders and had to get all their easy buckets near the rim. Now, he can get easy buckets from 18 feet. I'm not sure if you understand how basketball works, contested shots near the rim <<<<< wide open jumpers for KG. Hence why they, you know, kick it out to him in the first place?

I'm beginning to wonder if you're aware of how an offense works.


And I'm saying you don't need to be a good offensive player to make wide open 18 footer someone kicked out to you, Kurt fuckin Thomas could do that when Nash kicked it out to him on the Suns.

[hater]

I wasn't aware KG played inside on offense.

he tries. Only in quarters 1-3

[z0sa]

z0sa says I'm talking out of my ass when everyone else seems to agree with me, hmmm

No, everyone doesn't agree with you. Reread the thread.

First, you call KG a jumpshooter whne that's the entire basis of Dirk's offense. Let me reiterate: wide open shots are much, much better than contested fadeaways

Second, you said Manu is not a lock for the HoF. More foolishness. You fired back that he wouldn't get into the "nba" hall of fame. There is no NBA hall of fame, all the greats were inducted into the Naismith and wouldn't accept an induction other than from there. So, a double edged sword of hypocrisy.

Third, you think you won the popularity contest when multiple already agreed KG is better. So, "everyone" doesn't agree with you. How many more times do you want be wrong and yet claim self-victory?

[DAF86]

Hey I'm looking for the NBA hall of fame page but I can't find it, I'd apreciate if somebody can post a link, thanks.

[rjv]

one thing for certain-they both rank below duncan.

[LnGrrrR]

People giving crap to KG about not playing inside is pretty silly when comparing him to Dirk, who isn't exactly the poster boy for posting up.

IT's true that I wish KG would take a step or two closer for the layup, but he's pretty money with that turnaround jumper. Besides, that's what Perkins is for. KG would just be clogging up the lane in many cases.

[DAF86]

I wasn't aware KG played inside on offense.

Well if he doesn't he must be a better shooter than Dirk 'cause he averages 50% from the field while the German averages 47%.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

First, you call KG a jumpshooter whne that's the entire basis of Dirk's offense. Let me reiterate: wide open shots are much, much better than contested fadeaways



Let me reiterate he's not creating that wide open shot for himself, someone else is. god you're stupid.

[LnGrrrR]

Oh yeah, almost forgot: it's tough to defend that turnaround jumper, because KG can open up some space when he spins. A few people can defend it decently due to reach/smarts, but it still gives him a good look at the basket before he releases.

[z0sa]

Hey I'm looking for the NBA hall of fame page but I can't find it, I'd apreciate if somebody can post a link, thanks.

there's is no "nba" hall of fame. All the greats were inducted in the Basketball Hall of Fame. No NBA players would accept an induction into a lesser Hall out of respect for themselves.

Whoever called that, is talking out of their ass since they underrate Manu.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well if he doesn't he must be a better shooter than Dirk 'cause he averages 50% from the field while the German averages 47%.


It's easy to average a higher % when your team doesn't need you to do everything.

Also, Dirk scored 25.9 PPG with 20 shot attempts per game.

KG scored 15.8 PPG with 13 shot attempts per game.

25.9/20 > 15.8/13

So Dirk scored more points at a more efficient rate.

[z0sa]

Let me reiterate he's not creating that wide open shot for himself, someone else is. god you're stupid.

And let me reiterate that's not the majority of his offense.

I'm still waiting on numbers from you, otherwise "everyone" must conclude you're just stereotyping him from the 2 games a year you watch Boston.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

you're just stereotyping him from the 2 games a year you watch Boston.


I wasn't aware Boston didn't have nationally televised games.

[z0sa]

Oh yeah, almost forgot: it's tough to defend that turnaround jumper, because KG can open up some space when he spins. A few people can defend it decently due to reach/smarts, but it still gives him a good look at the basket before he releases.

Yeah, somehow KG's "only" move is a turnaround J when that's exactly Dirk's goto move ... from EVEN FURTHER OUT!

I've seen KG rule the paint on both ends with Tim/Shaq-like dominance just last season. Anyone who just didn't see it, therefore believes it never happens, needs to STFU.

[sonic21]

After watching Dirk owning the spurs all these years, i can't believe spurs fans still underrate him.

[DAF86]

there's is no "nba" hall of fame. All the greats were inducted in the Basketball Hall of Fame. No NBA players would accept an induction into a lesser Hall out of respect for themselves.

Whoever called that, is talking out of their ass since they underrate Manu.

Thanks, I found it strange that I never heard of the NBA HoF before. Now I know why.

So like I was saying: Manu and KG= 1st ballot HoF- Dirk= probable HoF.

[z0sa]

I wasn't aware Boston didn't have nationally televised games.

you obviously don't watch them :lmao

[LnGrrrR]

Dirks game was NEVER posting up or playing inside. His game is all perimeter and midrange. KG had inside game awhile back but now he is regulating to mid-range, which Dirk owns him in.

Hence why I said I voted for KG due to defense. Again, I'm not hating on people who pick Dirk; I think either choice is valid.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

you obviously don't watch them :lmao


Wow laughing at your own joke pretty lame.

[z0sa]

After watching Dirk owning the spurs all these years, i can't believe spurs fans still underrate him.

bro, i watched the shittiest spurs team d in a long time + matt bonner make dirk look like a bitch throughout the 09 series. Dirk was pathetically bad at times during that series as long as we kept a big on him.

[Culburn369]

there's is no "nba" hall of fame. All the greats were inducted in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

z0sa, you know what he meant. Don't be purposely obtuse. It's as bad as citing somebody for bad spelling. C'mon, act like somebody.

[z0sa]

Wow laughing at your own joke pretty lame.

lol that's what you'd think. I laugh at how you walked right into it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol that's what you'd think. I laugh at how you walked right into it.

walked right into the joke you're the only person laughing at......shame on me.

[z0sa]

z0sa, you know what he meant. Don't be purposely obtuse. It's as bad as citing somebody for bad spelling. C'mon, act like somebody.

wrong. He said manu wouldn't make the hof. Everyone immediately started calling him out for being a retard. He backtracked and said he wouldn't make it into the "nba" hall of fame. Well, there is no "nba" hall of fame and never has been. So obviously, some people just underrates manu or are ignorant to his accomplishments.

[redzero]

Well, since Dirk's Mavs lost to the Hornets, who lost to the Spurs, who lost to the Lakers, who lost to Garnett's Celtics, Garnett > Dirk.

EDIT: Oh, and KG didn't choke in the Finals.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

wrong. He said manu wouldn't make the hof. Everyone immediately started calling him out for being a retard. He backtracked and said he wouldn't make it into the "nba" hall of fame. Well, there is no "nba" hall of fame and never has been. So obviously, some people just underrates manu or are ignorant to his accomplishments.


I honestly thought there was an NBA HoF.

Of course Manu is gonna make the basketball HoF. He's won all that overseas shit and has won 3 championships in the NBA.

[DAF86]

z0sa, you know what he meant. Don't be purposely obtuse. It's as bad as citing somebody for bad spelling. C'mon, act like somebody.

No he's ok, I was asking for the NBA hall of fame 'cause somebody in here said that there was the NBA hall of fame and the Basketball hall of fame. I already knew that the basketball hall of fame exists I wanted to know if the NBA hall of fame also exists but it turns out it doesn't

[Culburn369]

wrong. He said manu wouldn't make the hof. Everyone immediately started calling him out for being a retard. He backtracked and said he wouldn't make it into the "nba" hall of fame.

If that is true, I stand corrected.

[z0sa]

walked right into the joke you're the only person laughing at......shame on me.

how would you know that? someone doesn't have to post a smilie that's laughing, or LOL, to laugh at post.

[BUMP]

1st of all if we're doing best right now how the hell can you say its not dirk?

Garnett used to be great on offense but not so much anymore.

2nd of all no more trolls voting!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

EDIT: Oh, and KG didn't choke in the Finals.


It's not like he played extremely well offensively, the difference is he didn't need to. He had Paul Pierce.

[Culburn369]

No he's ok, I was asking for the NBA hall of fame 'cause somebody in here said that there was the NBA hall of fame and the Basketball hall of fame. I already knew that the basketball hall of fame exists I wanted to know if the NBA hall of fame also exists but it turns out it doesn't

I stand corrected.

[DAF86]

1st of all if we're doing best right now how the hell can you say its not dirk?

Garnett used to be great on offense but not so much anymore.

2nd of all no more trolls voting!

:lmao

[BUMP]

Well, since Dirk's Mavs lost to the Hornets, who lost to the Spurs, who lost to the Lakers, who lost to Garnett's Celtics, Garnett > Dirk.

EDIT: Oh, and KG didn't choke in the Finals.

fucking retarded.

it wasn't Garnett's team alone. Who won Finals MVP again?

Garnett was the third option on the team. Dirk was the go-to guy on the Mavericks the entire finals

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

KG also had Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, James Posey, Eddie House, Sam Cassell, Kendrick Perkins.

While..

Dirk had Erick Dampier, Desanga Diop, Adrian Griffin, Marquis Daniels, Devin Harris, Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse, Jason Terry.

KG on the Mavs then wouldnt make it past the 2nd round.

Dirk with that Celts wins a championship


Idk if Dirk on the Celts wins a championship, but it def. gets to the finals. Boston fuckin neutralized the pick and roll last year cause of KG where they clogged up the strong side of the court, they wouldn't have been able to do that with Dirk.

[DAF86]

Doesnt really matter. Dirk with Pierce House Allen Perkins and Rondo score 105+ per game.

But will allow 106+

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Doesnt really matter. Dirk with Pierce House Allen Perkins and Rondo score 105+ per game.


Yeah that's true, but you need to be a top 5 defensive team to win it all. They still could have very well been a top 5 defensive team with Dirk, back in 2006 and 2007 he was a decent defender.

[LnGrrrR]

It's easy to average a higher % when your team doesn't need you to do everything.

Also, Dirk scored 25.9 PPG with 20 shot attempts per game.

KG scored 15.8 PPG with 13 shot attempts per game.

25.9/20 > 15.8/13

So Dirk scored more points at a more efficient rate.

For comparison (referencing 08 seasons, all stats from NBA.com)

Dirk = 25.9 points per game divided by 20 shots = 1.295 pts per shot

KG = 15.8 PPG divided by 13 shots per game = 1.215 pts per shot

So yes, Dirk is more efficient at getting pts per shot. For comparison:

D-Wade = 30.2 PPG at roughly 22 shots per game = 1.372 pts per shot
Kobe = 26.8 PPG at 20.87 shots per game = 1.284 pts per shot
Parker = 22 PPG at 17.54 shots per game = 1.254 pts per shot
Ginobili = 15.5 PPG at 11.15 shots per game = 1.39 pts per shot
Allen = 18.2 PPG at 13.164 shots per game = 1.334 pts per shot
Chris Paul = 22.8 PPG at 16.089 shots per game = 1.417 pts per shot
James = 28.4 PPG at 19.91 shots per game = 1.426 pts per shot

[turiaf for president]

dirk on that celtics team does not win the title. if dirk allen and pierce were on the floor together, there isnt enough shots. the reason the celtics won the ring in 08 was because of their toughness and defense. both traits weren't there before kg got there. he made perkins and powe play with a sense on urgency on defense.

kg>>> dirk

[LnGrrrR]

I honestly thought there was an NBA HoF.

Of course Manu is gonna make the basketball HoF. He's won all that overseas shit and has won 3 championships in the NBA.

It's like the Pro Football HoF, that includes the Canadian leagues and a few others.

The Basketball Hall of Fame also includes ABA and other things.

[lil_penny]

Right now ill take dirk

[DAF86]

dirk on that celtics team does not win the title. if dirk allen and pierce were on the floor together, there isnt enough shots. the reason the celtics won the ring in 08 was because of their toughness and defense. both traits weren't there before kg got there. he made perkins and powe play with a sense on urgency on defense.

kg>>> dirk

This.

[turiaf for president]

dirk with boston would be like the suns when they had nash marion and amare. great team but no ring

[redzero]

It is a tragedy that KG isn't winning. Dirk spends his time with hood rats, while KG taught his team defense and toughness. All Dirk knows how to do is quit midway through a series.

I think I'm going to have create a few alts to help KG out.

[DAF86]

It is a tragedy that KG isn't winning. Dirk spends his time with hood rats, while KG taught his team defense and toughness. All Dirk knows how to do is quit midway through a series.

I think I'm going to have create a few alts to help KG out.

Bump will beat you to the ground.

[sonic21]

dirk on that celtics team does not win the title. if dirk allen and pierce were on the floor together, there isnt enough shots. the reason the celtics won the ring in 08 was because of their toughness and defense. both traits weren't there before kg got there. he made perkins and powe play with a sense on urgency on defense.

kg>>> dirk

Yes boston needed a player more like KG, but that doesn't mean he's better than Dirk.

[LnGrrrR]

Bump will beat you to the ground.

This tourney will come down to whoever Bump likes best. :lol

[turiaf for president]

that comment was in response to those who said dirk on that team would have won the ring.

as for the comparison, thats why we have it right? KG is a two way player. his offense is better than people give him credit for. he's got an unblockable midrange fade, can absolutely finish at the rim, and is always in the running for DPOY. dirk's offensive production can be replaced by alot of players in the leauge. only a handful of players can play D like garnett.

[redzero]

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Dirk is a pussy ass bitch. What kind of 7-footer shoots jumpers all the time?

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Look at this: the "franchise player" was punked by a no-name loser power forward. Dirk probably cried to his ugly criminal girlfriend after that incident.

[sonic21]

Dirk is a pussy ass bitch. What kind of 7-footer shoots jumpers all the time?



Garnett?

[z0sa]

that comment was in response to those who said dirk on that team would have won the ring.

as for the comparison, thats why we have it right? KG is a two way player. his offense is better than people give him credit for. he's got an unblockable midrange fade, can absolutely finish at the rim, and is always in the running for DPOY. dirk's offensive production can be replaced by alot of players in the leauge. only a handful of players can play D like garnett.

This Lakerfan knows the shit, as KG was a big reason his team got beat into the ground in '08.

Dirk *may* be a better true scorer, but that's where the debate ends. KG has him bested in every other category. He's not the outside player Dirk is, but has many of his own fakes and fadeaways to work with as well. And inside, its a No Contest.

[Findog]

KG is older and is coming off a major knee injury.

[MB20]

KG for me. Douchebag or not, I think he is the better player.

[Findog]

KG also had Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, James Posey, Eddie House, Sam Cassell, Kendrick Perkins.

While..

Dirk had Erick Dampier, Desanga Diop, Adrian Griffin, Marquis Daniels, Devin Harris, Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse, Jason Terry.

KG on the Mavs then wouldnt make it past the 2nd round.

Dirk with that Celts wins a championship

+1,000,000 and lock the thread.

KG had Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.

Dirk had Josh Howard and Jason Terry.

You tell me who's better.

[DAF86]

KG is older and is coming off a major knee injury.

I'd still pick him over Dirk.

[redzero]

+1,000,000 and lock the thread.

KG had Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.

Dirk had Josh Howard and Jason Terry.

You tell me who's better.

Kevin Garnett, obviously. Dirk has no rings, and he blew his chance to get one by letting Dwyane Wade shit on him.

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And he takes his frustration out on something that can't fight back, because Dirk wouldn't win a fight against Candace Parker, if his life depended on it.

[Killakobe81]

Coming off an injury it has to be Dirk ...thi spoll really is not fair to be honest. 2-5 years ago KG everyday ...even though dirk is a great player ...now? Dirk.

[Findog]

I'd still pick him over Dirk.

Guess you're not interested in winning games, then.

[turiaf for president]

This Lakerfan knows the shit, as KG was a big reason his team got beat into the ground in '08.

Dirk *may* be a better true scorer, but that's where the debate ends. KG has him bested in every other category. He's not the outside player Dirk is, but has many of his own fakes and fadeaways to work with as well. And inside, its a No Contest.

all im saying is when we play the celts, im def nervous because of KG. when we play the mavs, i expect it to be a cake walk. no offense mavs fans just how i feel pregame.

[Findog]

Kevin Garnett, obviously. Dirk has no rings, and he blew his chance to get one by letting Dwyane Wade shit on him.



And he takes his frustration out on something that can't fight back, because Dirk wouldn't win a fight against Candace Parker, if his life depended on it.

121-63. What would you know about getting close to winning a championship?

Your post speaks for itself; you don't know much about basketball. Dirk's performance in the Finals was more than adequate. Miami > Dallas. Dirk took a giant dump on your team last year but 07-08 New Orleans > 07-08 Dallas. You win and lose as a team.

[DAF86]

Guess you're not interested in winning games, then.

I'm interested in winning championships.

[Findog]

I'm interested in winning championships.

Then in that case I'll take the franchise player who isn't coming off a major knee injury and is two years younger.

[DAF86]

Coming off an injury it has to be Dirk ...thi spoll really is not fair to be honest. 2-5 years ago KG everyday ...even though dirk is a great player ...now? Dirk.

If we argue about who has the best career this thread will be boring. There will be no doubt that KG >> Dirk

[DAF86]

Then in that case I'll take the franchise player who isn't coming off a major knee injury and is two years younger.

Age doesn't matter we're talking for the next season only.

[sonic21]

If we argue about who has the best career this thread will be boring. There will be no doubt that KG >> Dirk

why? coz he went far in the playoffs two seasons?

[z0sa]

+1,000,000 and lock the thread.

nah. Allen and Pierce needed that defensive presence, which Dirk is not, never has been, and self-convincing you've done has no affect on me.

It wasn't scoring that won the 08 banner, it was defense. Just like the refs screwing the spurs is the reason defense didn't win in 06 like the other years around it.

btw, Dirk is one of the all-time biggest losers if you ask me. Guy never complains or anything, just takes losing as the #1 option like its no big deal. POW right in the kisser, over and over again.

[Findog]

If we argue about who has the best career this thread will be boring. There will be no doubt that KG >> Dirk

KG could only get past the first round of the playoffs when he had a bang-up supporting cast beside him (Cassell/Sprewell 04, Allen/Pierce 08). Dirk hasn't exactly been playing with D-League stiffs his entire career, but he did drag a team with Jason Terry and Josh Howard as his two best sidekicks within an inch of a title. I'm pretty sure Dirk would have a ring too if he had the opportunity to go to war with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.

Pierce/Allen >>>>>> Jet/Josh.

Dirk's career > KG's career.

If you're going by the hardware argument, then Jason Kapono and Michael Doleac > Dirk.

[leemajors]

Right now, Dirk just played a whole season. Dirk > Garnett.

[redzero]

121-63.

4-1, faggot. Why don't you stop living vicariously through other teams?


What would you know about getting close to winning a championship?

I know that missing potential game tying free throws won't get one's team a championship.


Your post speaks for itself; you don't know much about basketball. Dirk's performance in the Finals was more than adequate.

Dirk's performance in the Finals is the perfect example of how not to win a championship.


Miami > Dallas.

No, you mean, Dwyane Wade > Dallas. Your team managed to lose four games straight after blowing a ten point fourth quarter lead in Game 3. It just goes to show that the Mavericks have no heart.


Dirk took a giant dump on your team last year

And Chris Paul almost had a quadruple double playing the Mavericks and made an even bigger fool out of the JET.


but 07-08 New Orleans > 07-08 Dallas.

08-09 New Orleans > 08-09 Dallas. It took injuries to multiple starters so your Mavericks could get just one more win.


You win and lose as a team.

And the team captain is responsible for choking in the biggest moment of his career.

[Findog]

nah. Allen and Pierce needed that defensive presence, which Dirk is not, never has been, and self-convincing you've done has no affect on me.

Kendrick Perkins is just as good, if not a better defender, than Erick Dampier. If Dirk can come within an inch of a title with Erick Dampier starting alongside him, I'm pretty sure a supporting cast of Allen/Pierce/Perkins would be no different.


It wasn't scoring that won the 08 banner, it was defense. Just like the refs screwing the spurs is the reason defense didn't win in 06 like the other years around it.



btw, Dirk is one of the all-time biggest losers if you ask me. Guy never complains or anything, just takes losing as the #1 option like its no big deal. POW right in the kisser, over and over again.


Has years of raping your team not taught you anything? It's one thing when some dipshit Hornets fan shits on Dirk, but you would think a Spurs fan would know better. Guess not.

[redzero]

btw, Dirk is one of the all-time biggest losers if you ask me. Guy never complains or anything, just takes losing as the #1 option like its no big deal. POW right in the kisser, over and over again.

I agree. Dirk has become an expert on losing. He's like the complete opposite of Tim Duncan.

[DAF86]

why? coz he went far in the playoffs two seasons?

And won a NBA ring, and a gold medal (I think), and a MVP, and the DPOY, and has I don't know how many All-NBA teams and All-defensive teams. Better make that: KG >>> Dirk

[LnGrrrR]

Right now, Dirk just played a whole season. Dirk > Garnett.

Which means Garnett is all rested up for 09! :D

[DAF86]

KG could only get past the first round of the playoffs when he had a bang-up supporting cast beside him (Cassell/Sprewell 04, Allen/Pierce 08). Dirk hasn't exactly been playing with D-League stiffs his entire career, but he did drag a team with Jason Terry and Josh Howard as his two best sidekicks within an inch of a title. I'm pretty sure Dirk would have a ring too if he had the opportunity to go to war with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.

Pierce/Allen >>>>>> Jet/Josh.

Dirk's career > KG's career.

If you're going by the hardware argument, then Jason Kapono and Michael Doleac > Dirk.

GTFO KG was always the man on all the teams he played.

[Spursfan092120]

Dirk...I don't fear Garnett, but when the Spurs are playing Dallas, and we're up 1 point, and Dirk has the ball, I feel like I'm going to shit my pants...it's that instinct...Garnett is better on defense, but that doesn't make him a better player. He's better than Kobe on defense too, but Kobe's a lot better. Now, Dirk's no Kobe, but I'd rather the ball be in KG's hands than Dirk's, if I'm playing defense.

[z0sa]

Kendrick Perkins is just as good, if not a better defender, than Erick Dampier. If Dirk can come within an inch of a title with Erick Dampier starting alongside him, I'm pretty sure a supporting cast of Allen/Pierce/Perkins would be no different.

Disagree with everything.




Has years of raping your team not taught you anything?

Raping? LOL. Dirk misfired in our series in 09 against matt bonner and a shitty spurs defense. 06 is 06, don't bring it up like its some recent major deal. The ref talk is fair game - if you're a Mavfan, you've pulled the 06 ref card. The refs were worse in the Spurs series and made series altering calls. Otherwise, Spurs win.

If you know basketball, and rewatch the series, you have no choice but to agree. So thank Stern who couldn't stand another incredibly low rated finals appearance by the Spurs.


It's one thing when some dipshit Hornets fan shits on Dirk, but you would think a Spurs fan would know better. Guess not.

I've already given him what he's due - great scoring, position defense. That's not enough for a mavfan homer, obviously, but the facts are what I deal with.

[Findog]

4-1, faggot. Why don't you stop living vicariously through other teams?


What 4-1 are you referring to? The 4-1 beatdown the Nuggets put on your team? 121-63.



I know that missing potential game tying free throws won't get one's team a championship.

Neither is getting stomped 121-63 on your own court in the first round of the playoffs.




Dirk's performance in the Finals is the perfect example of how not to win a championship.

29 points and 15 rebounds in an elimination game is pretty piss-poor, I will admit. That running floater over Shaq at the end of Game 5 of the Finals before Wade got bailed out on the other end is a perfect example of how not to win a championship, I agree.



No, you mean, Dwyane Wade > Dallas. Your team managed to lose four games straight after blowing a ten point fourth quarter lead in Game 3. It just goes to show that the Mavericks have no heart.

You root for a team that lost 121-63 on their own homecourt in the playoffs and you're lecturing about not having any heart? The Mavs lost 3 games to the Heat by a grand total of 6 points. If Wade doesn't get a phantom call at the end of Game 5, or Dirk doesn't get whistled for being punched in the stomach by Wade at the end of Game 6, the 06 Finals turns out very differently. Unlike the Hornets, the Mavs fought hard until the final buzzer in the Finals. You simply don't know what you're talking about.




And Chris Paul almost had a quadruple double playing the Mavericks and made an even bigger fool out of the JET.


Duh, Chris Paul makes a fool out of anybody trying to guard him, except of course in the playoffs when somebody named Dahntay Jones locks him down.



08-09 New Orleans > 08-09 Dallas. It took injuries to multiple starters so your Mavericks could get just one more win.


The Mavs advanced to the second round, whereas the Hornets lost 121-63 on their own homecourt and couldn't make it out of the first round. Dallas was also a much better team at the end of the season when they split a home and home with New Orleans than at the beginning when they started 2-7 and had trouble adjusting to a new coach's system.

We can keep going if you like, but if you want to cry uncle, you're more than welcome.

[sonic21]

And won a gold medal (I think), and an MVP, and the DPOY, and has I don't know how many All-NBA teams and All-defensive teams. Better make that: KG >>> Dirk

Dirk won an mvp, has more nba 1st team than KG (i think), kg is a better defender but dirk's D is decent. Dirk's offense is way better than kg's. I think it's close.

[Findog]

I agree. Dirk has become an expert on losing. He's like the complete opposite of Tim Duncan.

Right, which is why Dirk has sent Duncan home twice. Dirk's teams also lost 121-63 on their own homecourt in the playoffs. Why are you commenting in this thread?

[Ghazi]

Like I've said in the past, one whistle turns a guy from an NBA Champion to an "all time loser". Cause that's exatly what zosa's saying. And it's dumb.

So what does that say about the Spurs that they lost twice to an "all time loser", and would have been three times if that all time loser didn't get hurt? :lol @ zosa.

Anywho, I'll take a 31 YO Dirk not coming off injuries over a 33 YO KG coming off a pretty serious injury. KG's athleticism markers showed some decline last year as well and his offensive is declining with regard to FG/FTA rate and % of jumpers taken.

[LakeShow]

Is this a trick question?

lol @ fans who say if you put Dirk with the celtics they would win a title. Kinda like all the titles the Mavs won with Dirk. With Dirk, the Celtics don't make the finals.

KG!

It's not even close. Dirk is one dimensional and brings nothing on Defense. He has no low post game, gets dunked on by guards and is soft as Sta-Puft, softer in fact. Dirk's a pussy!

[urunobili]

Mavs 06, 07 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hornets 08 (and that was their best team ever)

[xellos88330]

This is a tough poll. But since it was right now, I would go with Dirk. It would definitely be KG a couple years ago though.

[Ghazi]

Wow, that doesn't explain Dirk to a T or anything.

But Dirk still has the 3-ball in his arsenal, although he doesn't use it as frequently as he used to. Also his FG/FTA ratio is much higher than KG's was last year... that's a pretty big deal as far as efficiency IMO.

[Findog]

Disagree with everything.


So you think Erick Dampier is a better player than Kendrick Perkins?




Raping? LOL. Dirk misfired in our series in 09 against matt bonner and a shitty spurs defense.

Popovich's scheme was to take the ball out of Dirk's hands and make the supporting cast beat him. All of the defensive attention paid to Dirk backfired since Barea, Bass and Josh had a field day with all of the open shots that were created. Pick your poison.


06 is 06, don't bring it up like its some recent major deal.

Dirk has always shit on the Spurs.


The ref talk is fair game - if you're a Mavfan, you've pulled the 06 ref card. The refs were worse in the Spurs series and made series altering calls. Otherwise, Spurs win.


You mean the series where Timmy averaged 32/16 and went to the FT line whenever Diop and Dampier so much as looked at him funny? That series?

Wade got supersuperstar treatment in the Finals but that's not why Dallas lost. I give Miami credit for winning that series. You blaming the refs is weak.



I've already given him what he's due - great scoring, position defense. That's not enough for a mavfan homer, obviously, but the facts are what I deal with.

KG is two years older, is coming off a major knee injury, and has only been able to get out of the first round with an excellent supporting cast, whereas Dirk has taken less talented teams further. You're free to disagree, but that doesn't make me a homer. Get a clue.

[redzero]

Why would I have to cry uncle, Findog? My Hornets beat your Mavericks 4-1. You Mavs fans LOVE to call the Hornets overrated, yet a team with David West as its second best player kicked your sorry team's ass.

All Dirk has gotten throughout his entire career is a reputation of choking. He showed that when it mattered most, he couldn't do what it takes to win a championship. He also played like shit and lost the eight seed, after having a 67 win season. At least my overrated Hornets lost to the better team.

It doesn't really matter though, because my Hornets will still kick your Mavericks' asses, even though JJ Barea is better than Chris Paul's second option.

[DAF86]

Dirk won an mvp, has more nba 1st team than KG (i think), kg is a better defender but dirk's D is decent. Dirk's offense is way better than kg's. I think it's close.

It could be close but nobody can say that Dirk's career > KG's career. KG has won everything that Dirk has and a lot more.

[Findog]

Dirk is a decent defender and arguably the most efficient scorer in the league. He's also a good rebounder. He'll get into foul trouble trying to guard Dwight Howard or Tim Duncan, but who wouldn't? The Lakers won't stick Kobe on the opposing team's best perimeter player, and neither will the Mavs stick Dirk on the opposing team's best big unless they have to. Dirk will never be confused with Bill Russell in his prime, but the scouting report on his D needs to be seriously updated.

The crux of the argument is whether Dirk's defense or KG's offense compensates enough for their unparalleled excellence on the other side of the court.

[redzero]

Like I've said in the past, one whistle turns a guy from an NBA Champion to an "all time loser". Cause that's exatly what zosa's saying. And it's dumb.

So what does that say about the Spurs that they lost twice to an "all time loser", and would have been three times if that all time loser didn't get hurt? :lol @ zosa.

Anywho, I'll take a 31 YO Dirk not coming off injuries over a 33 YO KG coming off a pretty serious injury. KG's athleticism markers showed some decline last year as well and his offensive is declining with regard to FG/FTA rate and % of jumpers taken.

Tim Duncan's Spurs already won something. Your team let Dwyane Wade beat them four times straight. You can bring up your 121-63, but at least my Hornets lost to the better team. Your team had it's foot on the Heat's throat, and they let go.

[Ghazi]

When it's game 7 against the Spurs, Dirk goes for 37/15 and makes the 'and 1' play

when its game 7 against the Spurs, CP3 goes 2/5 on free throws and becomes a gutless swine in the 4th quarter, watching fucking pargo take 13 4th quarter shots.


a hornets fan calling out the best PF in the world on choking? srsly? You didnt even watch basketball in 06-07 anyway :lol

[Findog]

Why would I have to cry uncle, Findog?

Because you're making a fool of yourself in this thread.


My Hornets beat your Mavericks 4-1. You Mavs fans LOVE to call the Hornets overrated, yet a team with David West as its second best player kicked your sorry team's ass.

You beat a team that had turned on its coach and where nobody was playing hard except for Dirk. New Orleans was better in 2008. Did you watch that series, btw? Dirk dominated.



All Dirk has gotten throughout his entire career is a reputation of choking.

With dipshit fans like you.


He showed that when it mattered most, he couldn't do what it takes to win a championship. He also played like shit and lost the eight seed, after having a 67 win season. At least my overrated Hornets lost to the better team.

121-63. Why are you commenting on other teams "not having what it takes," being "losers," and "having no heart?"

[Findog]

. KG has won everything that Dirk has and a lot more.

Michael Doleac/Jason Kapono> Dirk

[gaKNOW!blee]

If theres one player this board hates more than CP3, its KG.

[Findog]

GTFO KG was always the man on all the teams he played.

Which is why he deferred to Paul Pierce in crunchtime since joining the Celtics. Do you always comment on things that you know nothing about? "The Man" is the guy who takes over in crunchtime. That's never been KG. KG anchored the defense, the offense ran through Pierce in crunchtime. KG is not "The Man" for the Celtics.

[MB20]

What sounds more intimidating? A frontcourt of TD/KG or TD/Dirk?

[Amarelooms]

I agree. Dirk has become an expert on losing. He's like the complete opposite of Tim Duncan.

Currently Dirk > Duncan. Now kindly f off :elephant

[Findog]

What sounds more intimidating? A frontcourt of TD/KG or TD/Dirk?

First of all, I think Dirk > KG, but it's close either way. Either one would be intimidating as hell. Dirk >> KG is not true and neither is KG >> Dirk. Just one > symbol no matter where you stand on the matter.

[redzero]

Because you're making a fool of yourself in this thread.

I'm sorry that you're not in your Mavs fans hugbox. What I speak is the truth.




You beat a team that had turned on its coach and where nobody was playing hard except for Dirk. New Orleans was better in 2008. Did you watch that series, btw? Dirk dominated. Yeah, they quit, like they did in 07 and 06.




With dipshit fans like you.
The refs didn't make Dirk miss that free throw. The refs didn't make the Mavericks blow a 10 point fourth quarter lead. The Mavericks did, however, let Dwyane Wade get what he wanted when he wanted. They were too soft to give him a hard foul every time he tried to get into the paint.



121-63. Why are you commenting on other teams "not having what it takes," being "losers," and "having no heart?"
Do I really need to copy and paste the finals scores of the Mavericks-Hornets series? I'm saying this as an observer, not a fan of the overrated Hornets. Chris Paul picked up flopping from the Spurs; let's just hope he doesn't pick up quitting from the Mavericks.

[z0sa]

So you think Erick Dampier is a better player than Kendrick Perkins?

When he feels like playing. He doesn't have the youth but he's no slouch at all at filling the paint up or bodying up guys like Tim or shaq with authority.



Popovich's scheme was to take the ball out of Dirk's hands and make the supporting cast beat him. All of the defensive attention paid to Dirk backfired since Barea, Bass and Josh had a field day with all of the open shots that were created. Pick your poison.

You don't need to relate what my team's goals on either end are. I'm more than aware of what their gameplan is. Don't forget my team, and its coach, are title winners.

Second, the fact Dirk sucked had much more to do with Matt Bonner than anyone will give credit. In fact, putting a mobile bigman on Dirk essentially guarantees you will inhibit the flow of the Mavs offense. The spurs have never possessed a big man who could do this, yet Bonner stepped in quite nicely.



Dirk has always shit on the Spurs.

Yeah, Dirk generally does shit on teams since they're forced to put a small forward on a center. KG doesn't have the same luxury ever.



You mean the series where Timmy averaged 32/16 and went to the FT line whenever Diop and Dampier so much as looked at him funny? That series?

Fine. Though comparing the calls Tim got, deep in the post with a single move to the basket time after time, to Dirk's pussy flopping with no one touching him at the free throw line or high school 3 is a shame on basketball history. Dirk shooting all the FTs he did is a fucking travesty of epic, epic proportions. One of the worst occurrences in any sport. The refs truly denied Tim, an all-time great and deserving of 95% of those foul calls, a repeat/3peat.


Wade got supersuperstar treatment in the Finals but that's not why Dallas lost. I give Miami credit for winning that series. You blaming the refs is weak.

So you're saying you never, ever blamed the refs? Even during the series while it happened? If so, I'll just go ahead and not believe you. You are a mavfan, there are certain lows you have undoubtedly sank to.



KG is two years older, is coming off a major knee injury, and has only been able to get out of the first round with an excellent supporting cast, whereas Dirk has taken less talented teams further. You're free to disagree, but that doesn't make me a homer. Get a clue.

Dirk has taken less talented teams further? As soon as KG got talent, he took them to the WCF/Title. Fail.

[rasho8]

If it was "Would you rather have dirk or kg on the spurs" i would choose dirk, because his range would open timmy up for complete domination of the game. Also with our slashers dirk would be the best fit.

KG would yell alot, swat some balls and Timmy would probably be giving him his zoned out death stare after 5 games of KG taking crappy midrange jumpers.

[redzero]

When it's game 7 against the Spurs, Dirk goes for 37/15 and makes the 'and 1' play

when its game 7 against the Spurs, CP3 goes 2/5 on free throws and becomes a gutless swine in the 4th quarter, watching fucking pargo take 13 4th quarter shots.


a hornets fan calling out the best PF in the world on choking? srsly? You didnt even watch basketball in 06-07 anyway :lol

Yeah, but he doesn't have anything to show for it. Where's his ring? Oh, right--he choked and missed a free throw on the grandest stage of them all.

Oh, and KG > Dirk. Come back when Dirk actually wins something.

[Henke]

Dirk.-

[DAF86]

Michael Doleac/Jason Kapono> Dirk

Stop with that lame excuse, I'm talking about individual awards too.

KG=NBA ring-gold medal-regular season MVP-DPOY-ALL-NBA teams-all defensive teams-

Dirk=Regular season MVP-ALL NBA teams-...

KG >>> Dirk

[DAF86]

Which is why he deferred to Paul Pierce in crunchtime since joining the Celtics. Do you always comment on things that you know nothing about? "The Man" is the guy who takes over in crunchtime. That's never been KG. KG anchored the defense, the offense ran through Pierce in crunchtime. KG is not "The Man" for the Celtics.

I bet that means that Manu is the man on the Spurs :rolleyes

[Spursfan092120]

Currently Dirk > Duncan. Now kindly f off :elephant
you and your gay pink elephant are retarded.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

KG=NBA ring-gold medal-regular season MVP-DPOY-ALL-NBA teams-all defensive teams-


Is this a question of who's better career wise or who's better right now?

[Findog]

I'm sorry that you're not in your Mavs fans hugbox. What I speak is the truth.

Did Dirk Nowitzki fuck your mom or something?






Do I really need to copy and paste the finals scores of the Mavericks-Hornets series? I'm saying this as an observer, not a fan of the overrated Hornets

Please post the box scores too and tell me how Dirk did in that series. CP3 had a much better supporting cast in that series than Dirk did.


Chris Paul picked up flopping from the Spurs; let's just hope he doesn't pick up quitting from the Mavericks.

Little too late for that, dontcha think?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2608/3749845542_9581c5cf7a_o.jpg

[Findog]

Stop with that lame excuse, I'm talking about individual awards too.

KG=NBA ring-gold medal-regular season MVP-DPOY-ALL-NBA teams-all defensive teams-

Dirk=Regular season MVP-ALL NBA teams-...

KG >>> Dirk

Who gives a fuck about individual awards? Dirk has never had backup like Allen/Pierce. Dirk has done more with less, when compared to KG.

[DAF86]

Is this a question of who's better career wise or who's better right now?

No but that's what I'm arguing about with Findog.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Gold medal is nice and all, but why the fact does that matter. If KG was German and Dirk was American it'd be the other way around.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Findog, what kind of things are you looking at that you needed to use white out? lol jk

[DAF86]

Who gives a fuck about individual awards? Dirk has never had backup like Allen/Pierce. Dirk has done more with less, when compared to KG.

So first you didn't want to argue about championships 'cause we're talking about individual players but you don't want to argue about individual awards either? You're a blind Dirk homer, know it.

[z0sa]

Who gives a fuck about individual awards? Dirk has never had backup like Allen/Pierce. Dirk has done more with less, when compared to KG.

Michael Finley and Steve Nash along with that most brilliant offensive mind of Nellie's say hello. Allen and Pierce they are not, slouches they are not either and KG never had someone comparable. When he did, BAM title. The decaying shitstains he had in 04 he drug to a WCF in spite of injuries to just about everyone.

Take those boy-in-blue lover glasses off and "get a clue."

[redzero]

Did Dirk Nowitzki fuck your mom or something?

No, he's only into ugly gold diggers.




Please post the box scores too and tell me how Dirk did in that series. CP3 had a much better supporting cast in that series than Dirk did.

Jason Kidd > everybody not named Chris Paul, according to Ghazi and dirk4mvp.

Oh, but the 67 win team a year before didn't have Desgana Diop and Devin Harris.

Little too late for that, dontcha think?


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2608/3749845542_9581c5cf7a_o.jpg

http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/the_most_interesting_man_in_the_world.jpg

Keep acting like your favorite team is the Nuggets, my friend.

[dirk4mvp]

Dirk >>>> Kg. KG's ass is still sore from when Dirk gave him the rusty pipe treatment in their playoff series.


And a team that consists off Dirk/Pierce/Allen doesn't get pushed to the brink by the fucking Hawks.

[dirk4mvp]

I didn't know redzero was a Heat fan, especially after she just got done crying about Findawg living thru the Nuggets.

[DAF86]

Gold medal is nice and all, but why the fact does that matter. If KG was German and Dirk was American it'd be the other way around.

Not beign an American didn't prevent Manu from getting his gold medal. But if you want let's not consider the gold medal. KG still kicks Dirk career's ass.

[Ghazi]

Michael Finley and Steve Nash say hello. Allen and Pierce they are not, slouches they are not either and KG never had someone comparable. When he did, BAM title. The decaying shitstains he had in 04 he drug to a WCF in spite of injuries to just about everyone.

Take those boy-in-blue lover glasses off and "get a clue."

Dirk was like 25 with those two, and even then, took our boys to the WCF and would have won it all if not for injury.

[Findog]

Keep acting like your favorite team is the Nuggets, my friend.

I just find it interesting that a Hornets fan wants to give out lectures about "quitting," "not having heart," and being a "loser." I would be pretty humble after my team lost 121-63 on their own court in a playoff game.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Not beign an American didn't prevent Manu from getting his gold medal.


Name one player on Germany's team other than Dirk. Chris Kaman I think played on that team once. You're acting like gold medals are an individual thing.

[redzero]

I didn't know redzero was a Heat fan, especially after she just got done crying about Findawg living thru the Nuggets.

1.) I'm not a Heat fan.
2.) I'm not a girl.
3.) Why would I need to be a Heat fan? My Hornets kicked your Mavericks' asses, even though Jason Kidd is better than the Hornets' second best player.

[Cry Havoc]

This is a really tough call. Dirk is definitely about 5 times more lethal on offense right now, but KG still plays better defense. Normally that would be enough for me to hand it to Big Ticket, however with his injuries as of late, and his attitude...


I still can't say. I think this is dead-even.

[Muser]

I'd take Dirk anyday, people underestimate his D and he's been in the top 10 scoring for a while now.

[dirk4mvp]

1.) I'm not a Heat fan.
2.) I'm not a girl.
3.) Why would I need to be a Heat fan? My Hornets kicked your Mavericks' asses, even though Jason Kidd is better than the Hornets' second best player.

Are the Heat still trying to sign Odom and AI?

[DAF86]

Name one player on Germany's team other than Dirk. Chris Kaman I think played on that team once. You're acting like gold medals are an individual thing.

Shawn Bradley and a lot of other good euro players. But I already told you, you can left the gold medal out if you want.

[Findog]

KG never had someone comparable. When he did, BAM title. The decaying shitstains he had in 04 he drug to a WCF

Sprewell and Cassell were great in 04. :lol at somebody trying to dog that 04 Minny team.

[sonic21]

Not beign an American didn't prevent Manu from getting his gold medal. But if you want let's not consider the gold medal. KG still kicks Dirk career's ass.

let's not talk about NT, Dirk's teamnates in the german team are scrubs, they're not even average player in europe. He carried them to the bronze medal in a World Championship.

[Findog]

Name one player on Germany's team other than Dirk. Chris Kaman I think played on that team once. You're acting like gold medals are an individual thing.

Hey NBA teams are an individual thing too.

Michael Doleac/Jason Kapono have rings. Ergo, they are better than Dirk.

[redzero]

I just find it interesting that a Hornets fan wants to give out lectures about "quitting," "not having heart," and being a "loser." I would be pretty humble after my team lost 121-63 on their own court in a playoff game.

:lmao Do you honestly believe that the Hornets mysteriously went from being able to beat the Nuggets on the road to losing to them 121-63? If you actually watched the Hornets at all this season, you would have seen the countless injuries and David West and Chris Paul playing 40+ minutes each game to beat shitty teams.

[dirk4mvp]

lol comparing KG's American teammates to Dirk's German teammates.

[redzero]

Are the Heat still trying to sign Odom and AI?

Why don't you ask a Heat fan? But my Hornets don't need either of them to beat your sissy squad even with injuries.

[z0sa]

Sprewell and Cassell were great in 04. :lol at somebody trying to dog that 04 Minny team.

Are you saying they weren't decaying shitstains? For real, for real? Cassel you might have a minor point, though he was older/injured in the playoffs so my point stands. Sprewell wasn't even in the league 18 months later if I remember correctly. He had to find SOME way to feed his family, y'know, and the NBA just wasn't cutting it.

[dirk4mvp]

Oh and Dirk at least tries to take the last shots. When's the last time KG even attempted a game winner? Made one?

[z0sa]

Oh and Dirk at least tries to take the last shots. When's the last time KG even attempted a game winner? Made one?

he made multiple gamewinners his last season in Minny.

[dirk4mvp]

Are you saying they weren't decaying shitstains? For real, for real? Cassel you might have a minor point, though he was older/injured in the playoffs so my point stands. Sprewell wasn't even in the league 18 months later if I remember correctly. He had to find SOME way to feed his family, y'know, and the NBA just wasn't cutting it.

Sprewell avg. 20 in 04 was just awful.

[Henke]

The guys who talk about Garnett's achievements with USA National Team are just idiots.

Germany has a really poor team.All the players besides Dirk suck bad.
Dirk plays A-L-O-N-E with no help from ANYONE else.
Nevertheless,Dirk had won a bronze medal in 2002 world championship(he was the MVP in this competition) and a silver medal in 2005 european championship.

These succeses are fucking HUGE for a bad team like Germany.
Dirk haters:stfu

[Findog]

:lmao Do you honestly believe that the Hornets mysteriously went from being able to beat the Nuggets on the road to losing to them 121-63? If you actually watched the Hornets at all this season, you would have seen the countless injuries and David West and Chris Paul playing 40+ minutes each game to beat shitty teams.

Chris Paul, David West and 10 D-Leaguers should be able to stay within 58 points of the Nuggets. You are calling out a guy who got his team within inches of a title when you root for a team that defines the word "QUIT" after that game. And if CP3 is so great, why did he defer to Jannero Fucking Pargo in a Game 7 against San Antonio? :lmao

[gaKNOW!blee]

he made multiple gamewinners his last season in Minny.

Anyone can take the last shot when it doesnt matter if it goes in or not...but where is KG when a championship is on the line? Thats right....either deferring to PP and Allen.

[DAF86]

Hey NBA teams are an individual thing too.

Michael Doleac/Jason Kapono have rings. Ergo, they are better than Dirk.


Who gives a fuck about individual awards? Dirk has never had backup like Allen/Pierce. Dirk has done more with less, when compared to KG.

Make up your fucking mind.

[dirk4mvp]

he made multiple gamewinners his last season in Minny.

I think I'll hold off on agreeing with someone who's trying to make it a point that Sprewell wasn't a major factor on the 04 Wolves team.

[Ghazi]

Bottom line on my man Dirk is, it isn't that he lacks wherewithal, leadership, clutch, isn't a winner, etc, my man's simply unlucky

Unlucky that in 2003 an injury sidelines him for half of the WCF, so that he helplessly has to watch Steve Kerr hit a barrage of fluke threes

Unlucky that in 2006, the best shot at a title, he has to be on the wrong end of the worst officiated Finals in the history of the NBA, and the worst call in the history of the NBA.

Unlucky that in 2007 the Warriors got the 8th seed and went ballistic from the arc.

And unlucky that, since 2003 or 2004 (Not sure if Nash made all-NBA in '04), he has not had an all-NBA caliber teammate. Pierce/Garnett, Duncan/Ginobili/Parker, Jordan/Pippen, Bryant/Gasol, B. Wallace/Billups, Shaq/Kobe... I think it can generally be said, it takes 2 all-NBA caliber players in the core of a championship team... which makes Dirk's 2006 run toward a title even more impressive.

I just don't understand why so many players are judged for things that are beyond their control. Like my man, Steve Nash, who similarly has dealt with bad luck.

[Findog]

Are you saying they weren't decaying shitstains? For real, for real? Cassel you might have a minor point, though he was older/injured in the playoffs so my point stands. Sprewell wasn't even in the league 18 months later if I remember correctly. He had to find SOME way to feed his family, y'know, and the NBA just wasn't cutting it.

Sprewell is a headcase and threw away a viable NBA career because nobody would offer him the money he felt he deserved. If you think KG dragged 11 D-Leaguers with him to the WCF, I don't know what to tell you. That was a damn good team.

[Findog]

Make up your fucking mind.

That point was obviously lost on you. Not surprising.

[z0sa]

Sprewell avg. 20 in 04 was just awful.

I did mention when KG got a good supporting cast he made it to the WCF, didn't I? Good. So what's your point? He wasn't a decaying shitstain? I disagree. He could have kept on playing for decent money and instead, completely fucked himself. If that's not the definition of shitstain, I dunno what is. Decaying by getting older and more mental which I think we can all agree on. This wasn't 99 sprewell, gentleman. He was 34 years old in 2004 and wasn't far from being done had it not been a contract year.

[KidCongo]

I shouldn't have picked KG, looking at his stats this year, yes he was injured but now I'd much rather Dirk next year than KG. I just thought about KG being a defensive anchor and shit thinking he was still close to 20ppg.

Dirk should be through to the next round!

[DAF86]

I shouldn't have picked KG, looking at his stats this year, yes he was injured but now I'd much rather Dirk next year than KG. I just thought about KG being a defensive anchor and shit thinking he was still close to 20ppg.

Dirk should be through to the next round!

Don't worry he will. If this poll gets close Bump will do his thing.

[redzero]

Chris Paul, David West and 10 D-Leaguers should be able to stay within 58 points of the Nuggets. You are calling out a guy who got his team within inches of a title when you root for a team that defines the word "QUIT" after that game. And if CP3 is so great, why did he defer to Jannero Fucking Pargo in a Game 7 against San Antonio? :lmao

Do you know how worn out David West and Chris Paul were. Even excluding the injuries they were both playing with--along with Stojakovic and Chandler--West played the eighth or so most minutes in the league. You think that wouldn't take a toll on a person who played injured for half the season? I would love to see a list of players who could have carried a team that had Sean Marks playing heavy minutes, into the playoffs with injuries.

Oh, and if you want to determine greatness on single games, then I can bring up Game 3 of the Mavericks-Heat series.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Sprewell wasn't even in the league 18 months later if I remember correctly.


Why the fuck does that matter? Reggie Lewis wasn't in the NBA 18 months after a season where he averaged 20.8 points, does that mean it was a bad season?

[redzero]

Bottom line on my man Dirk is, it isn't that he lacks wherewithal, leadership, clutch, isn't a winner, etc, my man's simply unlucky

Unlucky that in 2003 an injury sidelines him for half of the WCF, so that he helplessly has to watch Steve Kerr hit a barrage of fluke threes

Unlucky that in 2006, the best shot at a title, he has to be on the wrong end of the worst officiated Finals in the history of the NBA, and the worst call in the history of the NBA.

Unlucky that in 2007 the Warriors got the 8th seed and went ballistic from the arc.

And unlucky that, since 2003 or 2004 (Not sure if Nash made all-NBA in '04), he has not had an all-NBA caliber teammate. Pierce/Garnett, Duncan/Ginobili/Parker, Jordan/Pippen, Bryant/Gasol, B. Wallace/Billups, Shaq/Kobe... I think it can generally be said, it takes 2 all-NBA caliber players in the core of a championship team... which makes Dirk's 2006 run toward a title even more impressive.

I just don't understand why so many players are judged for things that are beyond their control. Like my man, Steve Nash, who similarly has dealt with bad luck.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. It's funny that they ONLY apply to Dirk Nowitzki, who is the franchise player of your hometown team... what a coincidence.

[DAF86]

Seriously guys, I could give you that: Dirk > KG right now. But there's no way that Dirk > KG career wise.

[Findog]

Do you know how worn out David West and Chris Paul were. Even excluding the injuries they were both playing with--along with Stojakovic and Chandler--West played the eighth or so most minutes in the league. You think that wouldn't take a toll on a person who played injured for half the season? I would love to see a list of players who could have carried a team that had Sean Marks playing heavy minutes, into the playoffs with injuries.

:lmao

Poor, poor CP3 and D-West. They were so tired. I can't believe you're trying to make excuses for 121-63 and have the balls to call out somebody else for missing a free throw. I think the Austin Toros or Bakersfield Jam could've put up a better fight than 121-63. You're pathetic.


Oh, and if you want to determine greatness on single games, then I can bring up Game 3 of the Mavericks-Heat series.


And in Game 6 when they were facing elimination, Dirk put up 29 and 15. He was terrific in Game 5 too. Wade sucked in the first two games in Dallas, so what's your point? If you think the 06 Finals is some sort of stain on Dirk, then you obviously didn't watch that series.

[Ghazi]

Using a Peja injury excuse is like me bringing up Stack for the Mavs last year :lol

West/Paul were healthy, they just sucked.

Chandler's the only legit point, but even then, fucking 58 point loss justified by a minor injury to a mediocre center?


lmao 121-63 gfy

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Seriously guys, I could give you that: Dirk > KG right now.


That's originally what I thought the poll was about.

[z0sa]

Why the fuck does that matter? Reggie Lewis wasn't in the NBA 18 months after a season where he averaged 20.8 points, does that mean it was a bad season?

i said decaying. Dont interject like you've been knowledgable about anything this entire topic.

[Findog]

Seriously guys, I could give you that: Dirk > KG right now. But there's no way that Dirk > KG career wise.

What's your criteria? Individual honors and a ring? I don't care about things like All Star appearances, regular season MVP awards or selections to the All-NBA team. And I wouldn't use KG's ring as evidence he is better than Dirk when he had PP/RA instead of Josh Howard and Jason Terry.

[redzero]

Using a Peja injury excuse is like me bringing up Stack for the Mavs last year :lol

How? He spread the floor with his 3-point shooting, and the Hornets became a much worst 3-point shooting team without him playing.


West/Paul were healthy, they just sucked.

Just goes to show that you have no idea what you are talking about, and just spout baseless shit about the Hornets all the time, because West tapped Dirk on the cheek two years ago.


Chandler's the only legit point, but even then, fucking 58 point loss justified by a minor injury to a mediocre center?


A "minor" injury to the Hornets' key inside presence? With guys like Sean Marks and Melvin Ely as backups?


lmao 121-63 gfy

And yet, your team still lost to that injured Hornets team, and they will continue to be Paul's bitch.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

i said decaying. Dont interject like you've been knowledgable about anything this entire topic.


I agree I haven't been knowledgable, however I've been knowledgeable.

[z0sa]

knowl⋅edge⋅a⋅ble
  /ˈnɒlɪdʒəbəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [nol-i-juh-buhl] Show IPA
Use knowledgable in a Sentence
–adjective
possessing or exhibiting knowledge, insight, or understanding; intelligent; well-informed; discerning; perceptive.
Also, knowl⋅edg⋅a⋅ble.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knowledgable


I agree I haven't been knowledgable, however I've been knowledgeable.

Truly, you have not :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knowledgable



Truly, you have not :lmao


Who besides you has said that? Everyone else seems to think I know a lot more than your stupid ass does.

[z0sa]

Who besides you has said that? Everyone else seems to think I know a lot more than your stupid ass does.

everyone else's opinion sure does matter to you.

I'm still :lol at you calling me out for my spelling when it wasn't even wrong. Now that's being e-tough.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

everyone else's opinion sure does matter to you.

I'm still :lol at you calling things out multiple times now and being owned every time thus far.

You can't declare you owned someone else, that's like the cardinal internet rule.

Rogue already declared I pwned you.

[z0sa]

You can't declare you owned someone else, that's like the cardinal internet rule.

Rogue already declared I pwned you.

there are no rules on the internet. is that 5 times in one thread you've been wrong ??

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

there are no rules on the internet. is that 5 times in one thread you've been wrong ??


Why am I wrong? Cause your stupid ass that's bitter about Dirk owning your team said so?

[z0sa]

btw, if you want to know true 'pwnage,' #248 and #249 are an excellent illustration.

[redzero]

:lmao

Poor, poor CP3 and D-West. They were so tired. I can't believe you're trying to make excuses for 121-63 and have the balls to call out somebody else for missing a free throw. I think the Austin Toros or Bakersfield Jam could've put up a better fight than 121-63. You're pathetic.

Who else on the team is there, beside Paul and West? Have you seen the players around Chris Paul? And when he's double and triple teamed by forwards along with guards, what do you think is going to happen? Are his teammates supposed to not suck anymore? Also, the lead became far larger when the bench was emptied out, which goes to show how horrible Paul's teammates are.




And in Game 6 when they were facing elimination, Dirk put up 29 and 15. He was terrific in Game 5 too. Wade sucked in the first two games in Dallas, so what's your point? If you think the 06 Finals is some sort of stain on Dirk, then you obviously didn't watch that series.It's a stain on the Dallas Mavericks franchise as a whole, not just Dirk. He was the captain of that team, and he did miss a clutch free throw and let his team blow a ten point fourth quarter lead. There's more to winning than just scoring.

[z0sa]

Why am I wrong? Cause your stupid ass that's bitter about Dirk owning your team said so?

it's obvious you don't have a leg to stand on. I don't get bitter over Dirk scoring or beating my team. His legacy, and his team's, pale in comparison to my favorite player and team's. I just state facts and if they come across as bitter, its because of your own mind's conditioning, not my intent.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol says he pwned someone else
lol laughing at his own joke
lol z0sa

[z0sa]

lol says he pwned someone else
lol laughing at his own joke
lol z0sa

lol "nba" hall of fame :lol:lol:lol
lol manu isn't a lock for hof.
lol KG is a jumpshooter compared to dirk

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol "nba" hall of fame :lol:lol:lol

lol still laughing at his own joke

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol stupid fat mexican