Obama/Gates/Police fiasco....

[Gino]

Cant believe this getting no talk here when its getting so much national buzz.

Read the police report here:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/download/2009/0720/20120754.pdf



See Obama say the Police acted "stupidly":

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/23/obama_on_gates_arrest_the_police_acted_stupidly.ht ml

And then watch Barry try to dance his way out of the question:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/23/obama_defends_stupidly_comment_cooler_heads_should _have_prevailed.html

[Gino]

Listen to this Gates talk about it here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/23/harvard_professor_arrest_shows_black_men_are_vulne rable.html


What a clown.

[clambake]

who's the clown? lol

[Gino]

And the cop reacts to being called stupid by the President of the United States:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/23/cop_who_arrested_harvard_professor_not_sorry.html


Seems like a class act to me.

[Gino]

who's the clown? lol

Nothing was wrong with my browser. I dont know why it started ten different threads :P

[clambake]

Nothing was wrong with my browser. I dont know why it started ten different threads :P

acid flashback?

[Yonivore]

Let's see...

Russia invades Georgia and, as soon as he figures out it wasn't the U. S. State of Georgia, he condemns both countries.

Buddies up to every enemy and tin-horn dictator in the world (as they continue to foment hate towards our country and snicker at his naivetee) while, at the same time, shaming our allies and going on a grand apology tour of the world.

Gets it wrong on Honduras...backing the real dictator (supported by other dictators of the region).

As a Senator, votes in favor of the first bailout and ever other budget-busting piece of legislation that came along, and then, claims to have inherited it.

Realizes National Security is a real bitch of a job for the president and that, lo and behold, much of what President Bush did was a) necessary, b) legitimate, and c) constitutional.

Goes around claiming he has to spend trillions to save the economy.

And, now, he can't even get the simple facts of a local disturbance right before he steps knee-deep in an idiotic position based on his own racial biases (surely learned at the knee of Jeremiah Wright).

I thought he was going to be as bad as Jimmy Carter. I was wrong...he's much much worse.

Fortunately, many Democrats are coming to realize this and, hopefully, his grandest schemes will never see the light of day. Cap and tax and universal health care.

I haven't really been paying attention in here, has he lost any of the SpursTalk loyal yet?

[Gino]

Let's see...

Russia invades Georgia and, as soon as he figures out it wasn't the U. S. State of Georgia, he condemns both countries.

Buddies up to every enemy and tin-horn dictator in the world (as they continue to foment hate towards our country and snicker at his naivetee) while, at the same time, shaming our allies and going on a grand apology tour of the world.

Gets it wrong on Honduras...backing the real dictator (supported by other dictators of the region).

As a Senator, votes in favor of the first bailout and ever other budget-busting piece of legislation that came along, and then, claims to have inherited it.

Realizes National Security is a real bitch of a job for the president and that, lo and behold, much of what President Bush did was a) necessary, b) legitimate, and c) constitutional.

Goes around claiming he has to spend trillions to save the economy.

And, now, he can't even get the simple facts of a local disturbance right before he steps knee-deep in an idiotic position based on his own racial biases (surely learned at the knee of Jeremiah Wright).

I thought he was going to be as bad as Jimmy Carter. I was wrong...he's much much worse.

Fortunately, many Democrats are coming to realize this and, hopefully, his grandest schemes will never see the light of day. Cap and tax and universal health care.

I haven't really been paying attention in here, has he lost any of the SpursTalk loyal yet?


Probably not.

[clambake]

Let's see...

Russia invades Georgia and, as soon as he figures out it wasn't the U. S. State of Georgia, he condemns both countries.

Buddies up to every enemy and tin-horn dictator in the world (as they continue to foment hate towards our country and snicker at his naivetee) while, at the same time, shaming our allies and going on a grand apology tour of the world.

Gets it wrong on Honduras...backing the real dictator (supported by other dictators of the region).

As a Senator, votes in favor of the first bailout and ever other budget-busting piece of legislation that came along, and then, claims to have inherited it.

Realizes National Security is a real bitch of a job for the president and that, lo and behold, much of what President Bush did was a) necessary, b) legitimate, and c) constitutional.

Goes around claiming he has to spend trillions to save the economy.

And, now, he can't even get the simple facts of a local disturbance right before he steps knee-deep in an idiotic position based on his own racial biases (surely learned at the knee of Jeremiah Wright).

I thought he was going to be as bad as Jimmy Carter. I was wrong...he's much much worse.

Fortunately, many Democrats are coming to realize this and, hopefully, his grandest schemes will never see the light of day. Cap and tax and universal health care.

I haven't really been paying attention in here, has he lost any of the SpursTalk loyal yet?

and none of this has anything to do with my fear and hatred of black men.

[Yonivore]

I loved his very presidential response last night...

I don't know the facts but, obviously, the cops are stupid.

[Wild Cobra]

I loved his very presidential response last night...

I don't know the facts but, obviously, the cops are stupid.
Obviously a statement based on racial bias.

I'm not even going to try to understand the nuances of this case to determine right and wrong. It could go either way. I think one would have to be there to make an accurate assessment.

[Stringer_Bell]

Wow. So yea, before reading the report I was pretty disappointed in the stories I heard about the arrest. BUT, the report makes it clear that the professor was antagonistic and there are multiple independent witnesses to corroborate the story.

But with regards to Obama, he probably shouldn't have said what he did, but he did say he wasn't there and didn't know the facts. I came to the same conclusion that the arresting officer(s) acted stupidly. This doesn't change my mind about him in the least bit, still better than McCain.

Whether that means much, well I can't stay. :depressed

[Wild Cobra]

Wow. So yea, before reading the report I was pretty disappointed in the stories I heard about the arrest. BUT, the report makes it clear that the professor was antagonistic and there are multiple independent witnesses to corroborate the story.

But with regards to Obama, he probably shouldn't have said what he did, but he did say he wasn't there and didn't know the facts. I came to the same conclusion that the arresting officer(s) acted stupidly. This doesn't change my mind about him in the least bit, still better than McCain.

Whether that means much, well I can't stay. :depressed
I wonder if the multiple witnesses were neighbors that didn't like him. Wouldn't it be funny if the partner of the arresting officer asked the crowd if he lived there, and everyone said "I've never seen that man."

[Yonivore]

The whole incident was recorded by the officer's open mic. I'm betting he's speaking from a position of knowing what the fuck happened at the house.

Professor Dickhead is a racist asshole and picked a fight simply because the officer was white. A normal person would have been appreciative of the fact a neighbor called the police because they thought he was being burglarized.

Not this prick. He decided to make it a racial issue and create a disturbance, breach the peace, and break the law by committing disorderly conduct.

[clambake]

attendent approaches window: "yes sir, can i help you?"

a small fellow named yoni: "could you please fill it with regular unleaded? I can't leave the car."

[Wild Cobra]

The whole incident was recorded by the officer's open mic. I'm betting he's speaking from a position of knowing what the fuck happened at the house.

Professor Dickhead is a racist asshole and picked a fight simply because the officer was white. A normal person would have been appreciative of the fact a neighbor called the police because they thought he was being burglarized.

Not this prick. He decided to make it a racial issue and create a disturbance, breach the peace, and break the law by committing disorderly conduct.
This would be my instinct as well, but I would like to have actual facts.

[Winehole23]

I haven't really been paying attention in here, has he lost any of the SpursTalk loyal yet?In my opinion Obama never had a great host to lose in this forum.

No great optimism for Obama that I can see gets expressed here, or was IMO, except maybe for DarrinS, who's exaggeratedly disappointed, now that his totally unrealistic expectations of Obama have been dashed. For him, the process of disillusionment coincided more or less exactly with Obama's election. As I recall, anyway.

I sense a lot of wary appraisal and disappointment from board libs.

You should encourage this wary appraisal, Yoni, rather than continuing to twit them for being demented cultists.

[angrydude]

Obama has got to learn to stop rolling around in the mud. Its only going to hurt him long term.

[George Gervin's Afro]

In my opinion Obama never had a great host to lose in this forum.

No great optimism for Obama that I can see gets expressed here, or was IMO, except maybe for DarrinS, who's exaggeratedly disappointed, now that his totally unrealistic expectations of Obama have been dashed. For him, the process of disillusionment coincided more or less exactly with Obama's election. As I recall, anyway.

I sense a lot of wary appraisal and disappointment from board libs.

You should encourage this wary appraisal, Yoni, rather than continuing to twit them for being demented cultists.

yoni's a political hack

[Yonivore]

yoni's a political hack
Obama is the worst president of our lifetimes...and, he's accomplished the feat in just over six months.

[Winehole23]

yoni's a political hackHis hackiness is considerable, but that's no great distinction here.

What sets Yoni apart is his antisocial truculence.

Yoni hate.

[Bender]

how can someone be as old as Clam, and be so retarded?

[LnGrrrR]

The whole incident was recorded by the officer's open mic. I'm betting he's speaking from a position of knowing what the fuck happened at the house.

Professor Dickhead is a racist asshole and picked a fight simply because the officer was white. A normal person would have been appreciative of the fact a neighbor called the police because they thought he was being burglarized.

Not this prick. He decided to make it a racial issue and create a disturbance, breach the peace, and break the law by committing disorderly conduct.

Wait, citizens can't be racist in their own home now?

Not saying whether it's moral/admirable/right to do so... but I'm pretty sure that freedom of speech includes being a dickhead and racist.

Is disorderly conduct now telling an officer to piss off cause he's in your home?

Again, not agreeing with the guy's actions, but I certainly don't think he should have been arrested.

[Bender]

Gates is just helping his agenda. He's already working on a book right?

Also, friends with spike lee, so a movie is probably in the works.

[Marcus Bryant]

So a cop shows up on your porch and asks you to step outside. Naturally a bootlicker like Yonivore would think you should do so.

[Wild Cobra]

So a cop shows up on your porch and asks you to step outside. Naturally a bootlicker like Yonivore would think you should do so.
Did he have probable cause?

[CharlieMac]

A guy who knows the president yelling "you don't know who you're messing with" at a cop?

I don't believe it.

[CharlieMac]

The funny thing is people are overlooking that his place has been burglarized before.

[Wild Cobra]

A guy who knows the president yelling "you don't know who you're messing with" at a cop?

I don't believe it.Sounds like a threat to be dealt with to me.

[Wild Cobra]

The funny thing is people are overlooking that his place has been burglarized before.Then shouldn't he be happy the officer is trying to protect his home?

[Marcus Bryant]

Did he have probable cause?

Well, he saw a negro in the house, so I guess that was enough here in the US of A.

[Marcus Bryant]

Then shouldn't he be happy the officer is trying to protect his home?

ROFL. Why thank you officer, for arresting me!

[Wild Cobra]

Well, he saw a negro in the house, so I guess that was enough here in the US of A.
Not probable cause. Get real, act like an idiot, I'll start treating you like one. If that was the probable cause, the police officer should lose his job.

[CharlieMac]

I wanna try yelling "you're arresting me cause I'm hispanic in the USA" one day. I wonder if I'd get the same sympathy.

That dude could have been way more cooperative. He admits his front door doesnt secure because of previous break in and he's pissed that someone calls the cops when he's essentially breaking in to his own house? The nerve of that cop to question him. Provide ID, stop yelling over a cop, and send his ass away.

[Pistons < Spurs]

I think it was a mistake for the Police to drop the charges. Based on all reports, he was clearly belligerent, uncooperative, antagonistic and purposely being an ass. Sounds like he thinks a bit too highly of himself, and too little of white law enforcement officers.

[Wild Cobra]

I wanna try yelling "you're arresting me cause I'm hispanic in the USA" one day. I wonder if I'd get the same sympathy.

That dude could have been way more cooperative. He admits his front door doesnt secure because of previous break in and he's pissed that someone calls the cops when he's essentially breaking in to his own house? The nerve of that cop to question him. Provide ID, stop yelling over a cop, and send his ass away.
Fate has a way of making real irony. I wouldn't be surprised if someone now breaks into his house while he's away, someone reports it, but because of this incident, they don't respond!

Wouldn't that be funny?

[Marcus Bryant]

I wanna try yelling "you're arresting me cause I'm hispanic in the USA" one day. I wonder if I'd get the same sympathy.

That dude could have been way more cooperative. He admits his front door doesnt secure because of previous break in and he's pissed that someone calls the cops when he's essentially breaking in to his own house? The nerve of that cop to question him. Provide ID, stop yelling over a cop, and send his ass away.

So fucking what? Do you lose your constitutional rights just because some cop shows up at your door?

Now our rights are at the mercy of the sympathy of the police. What a weak fucking people we have become.

[CharlieMac]

He lost his constitutional rights? Really? Did you even read that report? I'm not seeing the connection you're trying to make here between our rights being at the mercy of an officer and providing some ID and cooperating. Yelling over someone always solves problems right? Yeah I see that all the time in the classroom and I'm sure this professor does too. As a matter of fact I encourage students to yell to ease any type of confrontation.

I tell the kids I teach all the time that if you're gonna act like a smart ass idiot when a cop questions you, you probably deserve to be arrested.

[Wild Cobra]

So fucking what? Do you lose your constitutional rights just because some cop shows up at your door?

Now our rights are at the mercy of the sympathy of the police. What a weak fucking people we have become.
May as well not have law enforcement if you're not going to let them do they job.

You're missing the point that there was a call to the police reporting a burglary. Perfect answer for an anarchist I guess.

[Marcus Bryant]

He lost his constitutional rights? Really? Did you even read that report? I'm not seeing the connection you're trying to make here between our rights being at the mercy of an officer and providing some ID and cooperating. Yelling over someone always solves problems right? Yeah I see that all the time in the classroom and I'm sure this professor does too. As a matter of fact I encourage students to yell to ease any type of confrontation.

I tell the kids I teach all the time that if you're gonna act like a smart ass idiot when a cop questions you, you probably deserve to be arrested.

Yes, I read the report. You just said our rights are at the mercy of a cop if we chose to not lick their boots. Fuck that. Your attitude would be welcome in Venezuela or Russia.

[Marcus Bryant]

May as well not have law enforcement if you're not going to let them do they job.

You're missing the point that there was a call to the police reporting a burglary. Perfect answer for an anarchist I guess.

LOL. So because someone who is mistaken calls the cops then our Constitutional rights evaporate? Get the fuck out of here Islamic Jihad.

[Marcus Bryant]

Holy shit, you teach kids that they need to do whatever cops tell them to? I guess that makes sense, a state institution instilling a sense of fear and servitude to the state.

[CharlieMac]

Yeah, that's what I said word for word. The point had nothing to do with teaching them to act like a decent human being towards someone. Yes, even if he's a big bad white man. Yelling over people can only lead to good things, right? Get outta here with that weak shit.

I forget how anti-establishment/institution/corperation and now state, people can be.

[ChumpDumper]

Marcus Bryant is the only one here who can claim to be a libertarian now.

Wild Cobra and Yoni failed miserably because they are too busy being white.

[Marcus Bryant]

Hey, we're all just "people" here. Yeah, that's it. Nevermind that one is an agent of the state. Suffer the children.

[clambake]

how can someone be as old as Clam, and be so retarded?

did i say something that hit a nerve?

do you have a relationship with another poster....in this thread?

why do you hate retarded people?

can you think of any retarded people that have been exploited in the last 7 months?

come on, bender, answer the question.

[CharlieMac]

hey, we're all just "people" here. Yeah, that's it. Nevermind that one is an agent of the state. Suffer the children.

f-

[Marcus Bryant]

f-

I am glad I would receive that in your classroom.

[clambake]

hey chuck, that sounds a bit subservient.

is that what you meant?

[clambake]

gino

[Winehole23]

Holy shit, you teach kids that they need to do whatever cops tell them to? I guess that makes sense, a state institution instilling a sense of fear and servitude to the state.
Submit to all lawful orders, dummy!

Am I free to go, works great for me.

[Yonivore]

So a cop shows up on your porch and asks you to step outside. Naturally a bootlicker like Yonivore would think you should do so.
If I had just got through breaking into my own house? Yep.

[DarkReign]

Did he have probable cause?

Im in my house, I really wouldnt give a flying fuck what his cause was/is.

[sam1617]

Im in my house, I really wouldnt give a flying fuck what his cause was/is.

He had probable cause, he can just come in. He asked him to step outside to be polite, and because its appropriate. The professor wouldn't have gotten arrested if he had been reasonable with the officer.

[Marcus Bryant]

Im in my house, I really wouldnt give a flying fuck what his cause was/is.

Indeed.

[sam1617]

Indeed.

There was no evidence that it was HIS house. There was an unidentified man in a house after a reported burglary.

I wonder if you got robbed and the police came buy but didn't go in, whether you would be happy with the situation...

[resistanze]

There was no evidence that it was HIS house. There was an unidentified man in a house after a reported burglary.

You mean even after he provided identification?

[sam1617]

You mean even after he provided identification?

Did you read the police report at all? After the officer got the id, he radioed it in, found out, Gates asked for his name, he gave it, Gates asked for his name again, he told him that he had given it already, and then said he was going outside, if Gates wanted to continue the conversation out there he could.

If you want to read the police report yourself...
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/Police%20report%20on%20Gates%20arrest.PDF

[TheProfessor]

Mountains out of molehills.

[DarrinS]

Im in my house, I really wouldnt give a flying fuck what his cause was/is.


Would you give a flying fuck if you were in your car?


I just pulled over by a cop this past week, and when he asked for my driver's license, my first thought wasn't to be belligerent (even though I was pissed). I've learned over the years that being rude to law enforcement usually doesn't go over too well.

[clambake]

you don't know the difference between your car and your house?

[Marcus Bryant]

you don't know the difference between your car and your house?

[doobs]

Everyone: stop saying he was arrested for being rude to a police officer in his house.

Please read the police report and think about the fact that there were many witnesses to Gates being disorderly outside his house.

[SnakeBoy]

In my opinion Obama never had a great host to lose in this forum.

No great optimism for Obama that I can see gets expressed here, or was IMO, except maybe for DarrinS, who's exaggeratedly disappointed, now that his totally unrealistic expectations of Obama have been dashed. For him, the process of disillusionment coincided more or less exactly with Obama's election. As I recall, anyway.

I sense a lot of wary appraisal and disappointment from board libs.

You should encourage this wary appraisal, Yoni, rather than continuing to twit them for being demented cultists.

That's what they get for voting against someone who wasn't on the ballot.

I recall a number of them supported Obama simply to alleviate their feelings of white guilt.

[DarrinS]

you don't know the difference between your car and your house?


What's your point?

There are actually people out there that try to evade police by hurrying to their house, like it's some kind of fucking sancuary. If a cop sees you driving erratically and turns on his lights, and you're only a couple of miles from your house, so you decide to make a run for it, does the officer have a right to arrest you at your home?

[resistanze]

Did you read the police report at all? After the officer got the id, he radioed it in, found out, Gates asked for his name, he gave it, Gates asked for his name again, he told him that he had given it already, and then said he was going outside, if Gates wanted to continue the conversation out there he could.

If you want to read the police report yourself...
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/Police%20report%20on%20Gates%20arrest.PDF

You said there was no evidence it was his house. At what point? After Gates provided his identification?

I've read the report. I was under the impression the officer wrote it. Or was is rather an unbiased omnipresent individual floating above the situation?

[doobs]

You said there was no evidence it was his house. At what point? After Gates provided his identification?

I've read the report. I was under the impression the officer wrote it. Or was is rather an unbiased omnipresent individual floating above the situation?

But the report specifically mentions several witnesses---both police officers and onlookers---to Gates' disorderly behavior outside his residence. But you knew that already, because you read the report.

[clambake]

What's your point?

There are actually people out there that try to evade police by hurrying to their house, like it's some kind of fucking sancuary. If a cop sees you driving erratically and turns on his lights, and you're only a couple of miles from your house, so you decide to make a run for it, does the officer have a right to arrest you at your home?

wtf are you talking about, now?

geez....

[DarrinS]

You said there was no evidence it was his house. At what point? After Gates provided his identification?

I've read the report. I was under the impression the officer wrote it. Or was is rather an unbiased omnipresent individual floating above the situation?


What about the statement of the other officer (who is Hispanic BTW)? Witnesses that corroborate the officers version of events?

They are even considering releasing 911 audio.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1186764

[resistanze]

But the report specifically mentions several witnesses---both police officers and onlookers---to Gates' disorderly behavior outside his residence. But you knew that already, because you read the report.
Oh, so you're saying that witness helped write his account of what occurred? Gotcha. It's a mystery why they dropped the charges.

[sam1617]

You said there was no evidence it was his house. At what point? After Gates provided his identification?

I've read the report. I was under the impression the officer wrote it. Or was is rather an unbiased omnipresent individual floating above the situation?

There was no evidence it was his house when the cop showed up and asked for ID. After he got the evidence he was willing to leave.

Also, considering this officer was hired by the department to train in avoiding racial profiling, you would think he would be good at it. I kinda doubt that an officer with that kind of training would lie in that situation... Of course, I'm a little biased in this, because I think most professors are pretty damn useless, so...

Article saying he was a trainer in avoiding racial profiling - http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99KBEAO1&show_article=1

Oddly enough, the article also says that he was the officer who administered CPR on Reggie Lewis when he died back in 1993...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

james the policeman

watch your p's and q's

[doobs]

Oh, so you're saying that witness helped write his account of what occurred? Gotcha. It's a mystery why they dropped the charges.

No, genius, I'm saying that the cop would be really stupid to make up an account of how things went down if witnesses and other police officers were to contradict him. You're less likely to lie if there are witnesses.

That's obvious.

Oh, and stop acting stupidly.

[sam1617]

Oh, so you're saying that witness helped write his account of what occurred? Gotcha. It's a mystery why they dropped the charges.

Probably because disorderly conduct charges are dropped all the time.

[resistanze]

There was no evidence it was his house when the cop showed up and asked for ID. After he got the evidence he was willing to leave.

Also, considering this officer was hired by the department to train in avoiding racial profiling, you would think he would be good at it. I kinda doubt that an officer with that kind of training would lie in that situation... Of course, I'm a little biased in this, because I think most professors are pretty damn useless, so...
Just a little bias. That would be like someone saying "I'd trust the word of a world-renowned scholar before I trust the word of a guy that probably never went to college."

We don't really know if it's racial profiling, but it's disingenuous to attack Obama and others for taking the side of Gates while you're willing to take the officer's account as Gospel.

Oddly enough, the article also says that he was the officer who administered CPR on Reggie Lewis when he died back in 1993...
If you think being racist has anything to do with the willingness to give a black person CPR, then it's clear there has to be more education on what 'racism' is.

[CharlieMac]

Probably because disorderly conduct charges are dropped all the time.

Yeah, everyone knows the president.

[Crookshanks]

This Gates guy has a reputation for being a hothead and an agitator. He teaches "Black Studies" at Harvard. He makes his living stirring up racial tension and teaching his students how the white man has kept the black man down and how all the ills in the black community are the white man's fault.

Gates is a joke and he got what he deserved. I heard a large segment of Officer Crowley's interview on the local Boston TV station and he made it clear that he didn't know who Gates was when he arrived on the scene and he thought the burlary in process call came from INSIDE the house. He didn't want to go into the house alone, when he had no idea who the black guy was. Basic police procedure - don't put yourself in a dangerous situation if it can be avoided.

Gates has a huge chip on his shoulder - jusk like Obama; and they still feel the white man needs to pay. They're the ones stirring up racial tensions. I guess Obama really did listen to Rev. Wright for those 20 years.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah, all those uppity negroes need to know their role.

[clambake]

This Gates guy has a reputation for being a hothead and an agitator. He teaches "Black Studies" at Harvard. He makes his living stirring up racial tension and teaching his students how the white man has kept the black man down and how all the ills in the black community are the white man's fault.

Gates is a joke and he got what he deserved. I heard a large segment of Officer Crowley's interview on the local Boston TV station and he made it clear that he didn't know who Gates was when he arrived on the scene and he thought the burlary in process call came from INSIDE the house. He didn't want to go into the house alone, when he had no idea who the black guy was. Basic police procedure - don't put yourself in a dangerous situation if it can be avoided.

Gates has a huge chip on his shoulder - jusk like Obama; and they still feel the white man needs to pay. They're the ones stirring up racial tensions. I guess Obama really did listen to Rev. Wright for those 20 years.
:lmao

[doobs]

Yeah, all those uppity negroes need to know their role.

Nice contribution.

What's your point?

[Gino]

And then watch Barry try to dance his way out of the question:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/23/obama_defends_stupidly_comment_cooler_heads_should _have_prevailed.html

I was just thinking how often he did this on the campaign trail too.

When questioned about a controversial statement that he previously made (such as pulling out of Iraq within 16 months.....meeting with leaders of any nation without pre-conditions.....saying the police acted stupidly), he puts on a smug smile and says

"What I said was......"

And then proceeds to change his statement to be less controversial. He was asked a couple of times in the link above if he stood by his previous statement and he wouldnt answer the question.

[sam1617]

Just a little bias. That would be like someone saying "I'd trust the word of a world-renowned scholar before I trust the word of a guy that probably never went to college."

We don't really know if it's racial profiling, but it's disingenuous to attack Obama and others for taking the side of Gates while you're willing to take the officer's account as Gospel.

If you think being racist has anything to do with the willingness to give a black person CPR, then it's clear there has to be more education on what 'racism' is.

I would trust the word of a world-renowned scholar if it was about his field, and there wasn't enough reason for me to disagree.

And I'm pretty sure I haven't attacked Obama at all. While I think he should keep his mouth shut until all the facts are presented to him, I haven't said anything about how he handled the situation until just now. He is the President, and his comments, even his uninformed comments, which he admitted they were when he said he didn't know all the facts, have a lot of power, and he basically threw this officer under the bus.

As for Lewis, thats not what I was saying at all. I just thought it was interesting that he was the guy that gave him CPR. This is a basketball forum after all...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

If you think being racist has anything to do with the willingness to give a black person CPR, then it's clear there has to be more education on what 'racism' is.

i'm trying to figure out where you're coming from with this statement. are you saying there are sympathetic racists? would a grand dragon of the kkk administer cpr on reggie?

[Gino]

You have to read the interview Gates gave....

to his DAUGHTER:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-22/my-daddy-the-jailbird/full/


Amazing amount of self promotion, even in the interview:

"He was there investigating? He should have gotten out of there and said, “I’m sorry, sir, good luck. Loved your PBS series—check with you later!”

[Viva Las Espuelas]

"my daddy the jailbird"

:lmao

[DarrinS]

uj0mtxXEGE8

[Gino]

Obama shot himself in the foot on this one.

The whitehouse is desperately hoping this will go away. Or they might have Obama make another "race" speech. However, just like with the Rev. Wright fiasco, it wont go away until he publicly denounces Gates, admits that he made a mistake when he said the cops acted stupidly and asks to move on.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

uj0mtxXEGE8
oh damn. that's Crabman. chris rock rocks. i wished he'd do his show again. i don't want to hijack the thread, but i prefer rock over chapelle.

[DarrinS]

oh damn. that's Crabman. chris rock rocks. i wished he'd do his show again. i don't want to hijack the thread, but i prefer rock over chapelle.


I like them both, but I think Rock curses a little too much for my taste.

[resistanze]

i'm trying to figure out where you're coming from with this statement. are you saying there are sympathetic racists? would a grand dragon of the kkk administer cpr on reggie?

Certainly, there are sympathetic racists. You're mistaken if you think being in the KKK is a requirement for being a racist.

Maybe I need to make an extreme example to illustrate this point. People used to own slaves, and a lot of them didn't hate them. They allowed them to cook their meals, raise the slavemaster's children, and have place to sleep. Some people even loved their slaves. Were they racist?

Racism is not the phobia of touching minorities.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Certainly, there are sympathetic racists. You're mistaken if you think being in the KKK is a requirement for being a racist.

Maybe I need to make an extreme example to illustrate this point. People used to own slaves, and a lot of them didn't hate them. They allowed them to cook their meals, raise the slavemaster's children, and have place to sleep. Some people even loved their slaves. Were they racist?

Racism is not the phobia of touching minorities.

rac⋅ism

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–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


rac⋅ism

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–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

sorry, i think maybe you have a different definition of racist/racism. to each their own. to your slavemaster question....why did they only buy blacks?..................... and my answer is, yes. read the definition(s)

[ChumpDumper]

Nice contribution.

What's your point?That you guys think he is an uppity negro that needs to be put in his place.

[DarrinS]

That you guys think he is an uppity negro that needs to be put in his place.

I think police need to start wearing video cameras on their uniforms for the same reason the use dashboard cams.

[ChumpDumper]

I think police need to start wearing video cameras on their uniforms for the same reason the use dashboard cams.I think the police should have apologized and left the guy alone once they found out they were completely and utterly wrong.

[DarrinS]

I think the police should have apologized and left the guy alone once they found out they were completely and utterly wrong.

From what I understand, the OFFICERS were trying to leave, when professor fruitcake escalated the situation.

[DarrinS]

Or, perhaps we should hold judgement until we hear all of the audio that is pending release.

[Wild Cobra]

Or, perhaps we should hold judgement until we hear all of the audio that is pending release.
I wonder if he sounds like Reverend Wright?

[ChumpDumper]

From what I understand, the OFFICERS were trying to leave, when professor fruitcake escalated the situation.Did he physically stop them from leaving?

All of them?

Were they in mortal danger?

Why couldn't they just leave?

Their mere continued presence escalated the situation.

[BacktoBasics]

Regardless of the tension or any amount of ranting and raving inside or outside of this mans house the officer should have simply left after seeing his ID. He chose to exercise his power by arresting him for being loud. That was the arrestable offense. Being loud. Had the officer left the scene the man would have had no reason to continue on with his behavior. He should have defused the situation by removing himself. The arrest looks pretty spiteful to me. He did it to show the guy that he had power over him because he didn't like being called a racist a-hole.

There was nothing to gain by arresting that guy regardless of his behavior. The situation would have been done and over with had he just left. If the guy continued to "disturb the peace" then he could have returned with a lot more purpose and motive.

I don't usually side with the loud black man but in no way did that cop do the right thing.

[Gino]

I think the police should have apologized and left the guy alone once they found out they were completely and utterly wrong.


How were they completely and "utterly" wrong? He was called in to investigate a break in. Whether or not one was occuring or not, in no way was he wrong to question Gates as to if he was the owner of the home.

Never fails that Chumpy will defend the left NO MATTER WHAT. I would just give up on this one, Chumpy. You have no moral high ground or leg to stand on. The Gates fool acted like an asshole. Whats worse is that he continues to act like an asshole.

[Gino]

Did he physically stop them from leaving?

All of them?

Were they in mortal danger?

Why couldn't they just leave?

Their mere continued presence escalated the situation.

Only an asshole would scream to a cop "I'll see your momma on the porch!"

I mean, what did he THINK the cop was going to do?

Im loving that youre defending this guy, though.

[Bender]

BOTH sides could have done it better

[resistanze]

rac⋅ism

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–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


rac⋅ism

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–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

sorry, i think maybe you have a different definition of racist/racism. to each their own. to your slavemaster question....why did they only buy blacks?..................... and my answer is, yes. read the definition(s)

Well, the primary and secondary definitions seem to make my point clear, so I'm kind of confused. How would those definitions result in the refusal to give someone CPR? I can believe those doctrines of racism but be perfectly fine with giving a black person CPR - that wouldn't comprise my beliefs in any way. Of course, using a dictionary.com definition of a complex issue such as racism is as useful as using it to define 'evolution' and 'quantum mechanics.'

Let's frame it in another way. Would a sexist refuse to give a woman CPR? Are sexists opposed to marrying women?

[doobs]

That you guys think he is an uppity negro that needs to be put in his place.

Who said that? I mean, besides you and Marcus Bryant.

[BacktoBasics]

How were they completely and "utterly" wrong? He was called in to investigate a break in. Whether or not one was occuring or not, in no way was he wrong to question Gates as to if he was the owner of the home.

Never fails that Chumpy will defend the left NO MATTER WHAT. I would just give up on this one, Chumpy. You have no moral high ground or leg to stand on. The Gates fool acted like an asshole. Whats worse is that he continues to act like an asshole.How is it defending the left? Obama said he wasn't there and said there are always two side to a story. He said pretty clearly that the best he understood the situation that the man provided ID and was subsequently arrested. Seems pretty stupid to me seemed pretty stupid to everyone else until further information surfaces the entire thing looked pretty fucking bad. Pretty unbiased assessment on the situation based on limited info. It also pretty well mirrored everyone else's assessment including the people who dropped the charges and apologized profusely for what happened.

Oh but we fucking know that its not enough to make a simple statement even with preface. You guys will turn a simple objective assessment into a complete and utter mess for no good reason other than you refuse to agree with anything coming out of that mans mouth.

He didn't say anything that anyone else wasn't already saying including the fucking police department that issued an apology. Stop wasting your time trying to pick apart pointless statements. Focus your energy on fighting this guy on real fucking issues.

[ChumpDumper]

How were they completely and "utterly" wrong? He was called in to investigate a break in. Whether or not one was occuring or not, in no way was he wrong to question Gates as to if he was the owner of the home.Were they right about there being a burglary?

Yes or no.


Never fails that Chumpy will defend the left NO MATTER WHAT.The the faux libertarians here completely abandoned their beliefs because the homeowner here was a liberal black man. I have said before that the police can certainly take the actions they to like tasing grannies on the side of the road -- it doesn't make those actions right.


I would just give up on this one, Chumpy. You have no moral high ground or leg to stand on.Sure I do. The police were wrong and should have just left after they realized they were wrong. their staying made the situation worse.


The Gates fool acted like an asshole.If being an asshole were a crime, the faux libertarians like you would be serving life sentences.

Whats worse is that he continues to act like an asshole.So he should be locked up for that, right?

You guys really need to think about this.

[MannyIsGod]

Marcus Bryant is the only one here who can claim to be a libertarian now.

Wild Cobra and Yoni failed miserably because they are too busy being white.

Yup. I don't always agree with Marcus, but at least his initial reaction wasn't based upon supporting the cop based on a police report.

[ChumpDumper]

Who said that? I mean, besides you and Marcus Bryant.Pretty much everyone saying he deserved to be arrested and cuffed and detained for expressing political beliefs.

Now I don't agree with his beliefs -- there is no evidence the officers are racists. They were merely wrong and should have just left after they found out they were wrong.

[Marcus Bryant]

How were they completely and "utterly" wrong? He was called in to investigate a break in. Whether or not one was occuring or not, in no way was he wrong to question Gates as to if he was the owner of the home.

Never fails that Chumpy will defend the left NO MATTER WHAT. I would just give up on this one, Chumpy. You have no moral high ground or leg to stand on. The Gates fool acted like an asshole. Whats worse is that he continues to act like an asshole.

Yeah, Chump and I "defend the left NO MATTER WHAT."

It amuses me to see so many "conservatives," presumably fans of the Constitution, immediately leap to defend the state when a black man is involved. That document was inspired and created to protect individual liberty and severely restrict the powers of the state. Naturally, that document had to be amended to ensure that, hey, it applied to everyone, including, yes, one of those godforsaken darkies.

Further, it is of the highest irony that when the state has a black face, then we are entering dangerous times with a budding fascist turning the country into socialist hell, but when the state has a white Southie cop face busting some uppity African-American Harvard prof, the state is clearly in the right. You guys are so transparent it is pathetic. And thanks to you, the cause of greater liberty against an expansionist state is all the more diminished.

[Gino]

Were they right about there being a burglary?

Yes or no.



Whats so hard to understand? Did the cops ever claim there was burglary, or were they called in to investigate one?

Explain some more how the cops were "utterly wrong" about the burglary.

Youre fucking clueless. Or should I say "Utterly wrong"! :lol

[MannyIsGod]

This Gates guy has a reputation for being a hothead and an agitator. He teaches "Black Studies" at Harvard. He makes his living stirring up racial tension and teaching his students how the white man has kept the black man down and how all the ills in the black community are the white man's fault.

Gates is a joke and he got what he deserved. I heard a large segment of Officer Crowley's interview on the local Boston TV station and he made it clear that he didn't know who Gates was when he arrived on the scene and he thought the burlary in process call came from INSIDE the house. He didn't want to go into the house alone, when he had no idea who the black guy was. Basic police procedure - don't put yourself in a dangerous situation if it can be avoided.

Gates has a huge chip on his shoulder - jusk like Obama; and they still feel the white man needs to pay. They're the ones stirring up racial tensions. I guess Obama really did listen to Rev. Wright for those 20 years.


Yeah, all those uppity negroes need to know their role.

[ChumpDumper]

Whats so hard to understand? Did the cops ever claim there was burglary, or were they called in to investigate one?

Explain some more how the cops were "utterly wrong" about the burglary.

Youre fucking clueless. Or should I say "Utterly wrong"! :lolWere they wrong about a burglary being committed?

Yes or no?

[Gino]

Oh but we fucking know that its not enough to make a simple statement even with preface. You guys will turn a simple objective assessment into a complete and utter mess for no good reason other than you refuse to agree with anything coming out of that mans mouth.



If Obama didnt say anything wrong, then why wont he stand by his statement (see video in first post of thread).

Because he fucked up and he knows it (but doesnt want to admit it because of his stupid ego).

[Gino]

Were they wrong about a burglary being committed?

Yes or no?

Did they ever claim that a burglary was being committed?

Yes or no?

[MannyIsGod]

Regardless of the tension or any amount of ranting and raving inside or outside of this mans house the officer should have simply left after seeing his ID. He chose to exercise his power by arresting him for being loud. That was the arrestable offense. Being loud. Had the officer left the scene the man would have had no reason to continue on with his behavior. He should have defused the situation by removing himself. The arrest looks pretty spiteful to me. He did it to show the guy that he had power over him because he didn't like being called a racist a-hole.

There was nothing to gain by arresting that guy regardless of his behavior. The situation would have been done and over with had he just left. If the guy continued to "disturb the peace" then he could have returned with a lot more purpose and motive.

I don't usually side with the loud black man but in no way did that cop do the right thing.


Pretty much spot on. Being an asshole shouldn't be an arrestable offense - especially when its on your property.

[doobs]

Pretty much everyone saying he deserved to be arrested and cuffed and detained for expressing political beliefs.

Now I don't agree with his beliefs -- there is no evidence the officers are racists. They were merely wrong and should have just left after they found out they were wrong.

"Pretty much" everyone who disagrees with you, huh? Case closed!

And arrested for expressing political beliefs? That's laughable, man.

[BacktoBasics]

Whats so hard to understand? Did the cops ever claim there was burglary, or were they called in to investigate one?

Explain some more how the cops were "utterly wrong" about the burglary.

Youre fucking clueless. Or should I say "Utterly wrong"! :lolHe provided ID. He was wrong but continued to stick around escalating the situation. He shouldn't have arrested the guy. He should have walked away and chalked it to another black man being loud on his front lawn. Instead he chose spite to prove a point and is now pissed about the spotlight.

It was an unwinable move and yet he made it anyway just because he could.

[MannyIsGod]

On the subject of what Obama said, as much as I think he's right its a fucking ridiculously stupid thing to say. Why the hell are you even addressing a local issue like that? Just because he's your friend? Probably one of the least presidential moments he's had in office so far and incredibly bad timing for it. That being said, no one expected him to go four years without saying stupid things from time to time. I hope he learns from this.

[Winehole23]

But the report specifically mentions several witnesses---both police officers and onlookers---to Gates' disorderly behavior outside his residence. But you knew that already, because you read the report.I must have missed the part that describes the disorderly behavior in detail. Can you point it out for me?

[ChumpDumper]

Did they ever claim that a burglary was being committed?

Yes or no?They went to the house because they assumed a burglary was being committed.

If they didn't, they would not have gone to the house.

Turns out, that assumption was wrong.

[Gino]

Pretty much spot on. Being an asshole shouldn't be an arrestable offense - especially when its on your property.

Mouthing off and being belligerent to cops on your own property IS an arrestable offense. They call it "disorderly conduct". Its when youre not cooperating with police, which Gates wouldnt do.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

the cop did his job. someone called 911. officer investigated. professor acted an ass. plain an simple. the cop did his job.

[MannyIsGod]

Cops pull this shit all the time too. For the most part, people wanting those positions are more prone to power tripping than the average person. Thats exactly what this strikes me as. How often have you seen a cop threaten someone with a ridiculous "disturbing the peace" violation just to get someone to shut up? Its a shitty tool for them to have to use.

Surely arresting this man was a horrible waste of government resources most of you should be angry about.

[Gino]

They went to the house because they assumed a burglary was being committed.
If they didn't, they would not have gone to the house.

Turns out, that assumption was wrong.

No, they went to the house because someone called in who thought there was a possible burglary.

They didnt assume anything. Theyre not allowed to. If someone reports a possible burglary, they dont make any assumption, they are required to investigate. Hence, whether or not a burglary was being committed, in no way were they "wrong" when they found out that it was the owner who broke in.

Game. Set. Match.

[MannyIsGod]

Mouthing off and being bellierent to cops on your own property IS an arrestable offense. They call it "disorderly conduct". Its when youre not cooperating with police, which Gates wouldnt do.

You seem to accept that as a good thing. Many people here do not. Thats the point.

[clambake]

we all know why it happened. go ahead, you can say it. they know.

[ChumpDumper]

"Pretty much" everyone who disagrees with you, huh? Case closed!Right, I disagree with those who think he's an uppity negro who should be put in his place.


And arrested for expressing political beliefs? That's laughable, man.No, that's exactly what he was doing, wrong as they may have been.

[MannyIsGod]

No, they went to the house because someone called in who thought there was a possible burglary.

They didnt assume anything. Theyre not allowed to. If someone reports a possible burglary, they dont make any assumption, they are required to investigate. Hence, whether or not a burglary was being committed, in no way were they "wrong" when they found out that it was the owner who broke in.

Game. Set. Match.

I don't believe you know how to properly use the word assume.

[SnakeBoy]

They went to the house because they assumed a burglary was being committed.


As usual you're way off point. They didn't assume anything. They responded to a report of a burglary in progress. You don't think police should respond to reports of burglaries in progress?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

hopefully james the cop doesn't get the same fate as gerald the inspector general.

[MannyIsGod]

Make that two people who don't know the meaning of the word assume.

[ChumpDumper]

No, they went to the house because someone called in who thought there was a possible burglary.

They didnt assume anything. Theyre not allowed to. If someone reports a possible burglary, they dont make any assumption, they are required to investigate. Hence, whether or not a burglary was being committed, in no way were they "wrong" when they found out that it was the owner who broke in.

Game. Set. Match.So if they don't assume anything, they never had to ask him for any ID or follow any procedure at all.

Game. Set. Match.

[BacktoBasics]

Mouthing off and being bellierent to cops on your own property IS an arrestable offense. They call it "disorderly conduct". Its when youre not cooperating with police, which Gates wouldnt do.He provided ID. If it was such an arrestable offense why didn't he just arrest him before he provided ID. Why wait. Why drag it out. If his behavior was so bad right off the bat then why bother waiting for ID just cuff him and be done.

He let it drag on and got pissed off about it. The cop let his emotions decide a course of action instead doing the right thing and leaving after seeing the ID.

Disorderly conduct is a horseshit excuse for making a poor emotionally charged decision.

[Gino]

You seem to accept that as a good thing. Many people here do not. Thats the point.

I think if you act like a complete asshole to law enforcement who come to make sure someone wasnt breaking into your house, you deserve to spend a few hours thinking about it in a cell.

He should have showed the officers his drivers license, explained the situation and thanked them for investigating. Instead he decided to be an asshole.

[doobs]

Right, I disagree with those who think he's an uppity negro who should be put in his place.


Again, who said that? Oh, right, "pretty much" anyone who disagrees with you. Calling the other side racist---with no evidence---in this kind of debate reveals you to be highly insecure or stupid.



No, that's exactly what he was doing, wrong as they may have been.

I didn't know expressing political opinions was punishable under Massachusetts law. I learn something new every day.

[clambake]

a white president would have found this amusing.

[ChumpDumper]

I think if you act like a complete asshole to law enforcement who come to make sure someone wasnt breaking into your house, you deserve to spend a few hours thinking about it in a cell.Right, don't be uppity and know your place.


He should have showed the officers his drivers license, explained the situation and thanked them for investigating. Instead he decided to be an asshole.Arrest this man!

Put him in jail!

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I think if you act like a complete asshole to law enforcement who come to make sure someone wasnt breaking into your house, you deserve to spend a few hours thinking about it in a cell.

He should have showed the officers his drivers license, explained the situation and thanked them for investigating. Instead he decided to be an asshole.

couldn't have said it any better.

[Gino]

So if they don't assume anything, they never had to ask him for any ID or follow any procedure at all.

Game. Set. Match.

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

If he assumed anything, then why did he ask for ID in the first place? If he assumed he was a burglar, why didnt he pull his gun and arrest him?

Youre WRONG!

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

But youre too proud to admit it.

Never let your ego get so close to your position as to when your position goes, your ego goes with it.

- Colin Powell

[ChumpDumper]

Again, who said that? Oh, right, "pretty much" anyone who disagrees with you. Calling the other side racist---with no evidence---in this kind of debate reveals you to be highly insecure or stupid.The evidence is here. This kind of debate reveals you to be ignorant and an enemy of personal liberty and rights.


I didn't know expressing political opinions was punishable under Massachusetts law. I learn something new every day.That's why the charges were dropped.

[Gino]

a white president would have found this amusing.

:lol

:toast

[clambake]

don't quote powell in front of viva.

[SnakeBoy]

Right, don't be uppity and know your place.


Your new avatar is ready.

http://hollywoodcostumesandparty.com/images/stmn%20PE156S.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

No point in arguing any longer. People in this thread have made it clear just how much like like authoritarian figures.

[ChumpDumper]

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

If he assumed anything, then why did he ask for ID in the first place? If he assumed he was a burglar, why didnt he pull his gun and arrest him?

Youre WRONG!

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

But youre too proud to admit it.Law enforcement officers make assumptions all the time. They have to. Their lives depend on it.

You're wrong.

Caps Lock won't change that.

[MannyIsGod]

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

If he assumed anything, then why did he ask for ID in the first place? If he assumed he was a burglar, why didnt he pull his gun and arrest him?

Youre WRONG!

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

But youre too proud to admit it.

Never let your ego get so close to your position as to when your position goes, your ego goes with it.

- Colin Powell

You really don't know the meaning of the word assume.

[Gino]

don't quote powell in front of viva.

Why not?

[resistanze]

No point in arguing any longer. People in this thread have made it clear just how much like like authoritarian figures.

Ironic, considering the same people would be all up in arms about Iran and China's treatment of citizens.

[clambake]

Why not?

because viva thinks powell is a yellow coward. he must hate you now.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

MannyIsWebster

[ChumpDumper]

Your new avatar is ready.Nah, you guys abandoned any semblance of respect for personal liberty once you discovered the race and political leanings of the homeowner and taxpayer.

Never talk of freedom or liberty again. You simply don't believe in them.

[DarrinS]

Just curious.


The other two officers on the scene (one hispanic, one black) -- we're they also being racists?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Just curious.


The other two officers on the scene (one hispanic, one black) -- we're they also being racists?
assumists.

[Gino]

Law enforcement officers make assumptions all the time. They have to. Their lives depend on it.

You're wrong.

Caps Lock won't change that.

You dont even remember what you were originally arguing. You claimed the police were "utterly wrong" which I quickly debunked.

I dont know why you got side-tracked with this "assumptions" game. The point is the cops cant be "wrong" when they werent claiming there was a burglary to begin with. Someone else did. Its their job to investigate which you cant seem to understand.

[clambake]

Just curious.


The other two officers on the scene (one hispanic, one black) -- we're they also being racists?

no, they knew their place.

[Gino]

Ironic, considering the same people would be all up in arms about Iran and China's treatment of citizens.

I wonder what would happen if a Chinese citizen started screaming at local chinese police who were investigating a possible break-in.

Something tells me it wouldnt be misdemeanor charges that would eventually be dropped and a couple of hours cooling off in a cell.

[DarrinS]

I'd love to watch Mr. Gates go through airport security.


Can you imagine if they picked HIM for one of those random searches?


<Gasp!>

[ChumpDumper]

Just curious.


The other two officers on the scene (one hispanic, one black) -- we're they also being racists?I specifically said there was no evidence their actions were racially motivated.

Their actions were simply wrong.

Just leave.

[SnakeBoy]

Never talk of freedom or liberty again. You simply don't believe in them.

http://hollywoodcostumesandparty.com/images/stmn%20PE156S.jpg

:lol And I actually agree with you that he shouldn't have been arrested.

[MannyIsGod]

I dont know why you got side-tracked with this "assumptions" game.

I do. It was fun.

No point in arguing the case itself when there's an obvious core disagreement. You see no problem with the cop's arrest because you feel it was completely full of merit. Others look at the exact same circumstances and see police exercising power they should not. Its a fundamental difference and no amount of message board arguing is going to change that.

[Gino]

I'd love to watch Mr. Gates go through airport security.


Can you imagine if they picked HIM for one of those random searches?


<Gasp!>

:lol

[Oh, Gee!!]

the prof should have been calm, but the cop shouldn't have arrested him just because he wasn't, and obama should have never said a word about it

[ChumpDumper]

You dont even remember what you were originally arguing. You claimed the police were "utterly wrong" which I quickly debunked.

I dont know why you got side-tracked with this "assumptions" game. The point is the cops cant be "wrong" when they werent claiming there was a burglary to begin with. Someone else did. Its their job to investigate which you cant seem to understand.The police were utterly wrong in their assumption that a burglary was in progress, because they were following police procedure based on the assumption that a burglary was in process.

[DarrinS]

no, they knew their place.

what is that supposed to mean?

[MannyIsGod]

what is that supposed to mean?

Its called a joke.

[rjv]

The whole incident was recorded by the officer's open mic. I'm betting he's speaking from a position of knowing what the fuck happened at the house.

Professor Dickhead is a racist asshole and picked a fight simply because the officer was white. A normal person would have been appreciative of the fact a neighbor called the police because they thought he was being burglarized.

Not this prick. He decided to make it a racial issue and create a disturbance, breach the peace, and break the law by committing disorderly conduct.


is this intentional irony?

[DarrinS]

the prof should have been calm, but the cop shouldn't have arrested him just because he wasn't, and obama should have never said a word about it



All true.


Why did it make it to the level of national media attention? I'm sure the cops didn't hunt down the nearest talking heads.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I'd love to watch Mr. Gates go through airport security.


Can you imagine if they picked HIM for one of those random searches?


<Gasp!>
http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/dont-taze-me-bro-demotivational-poster.jpg

[resistanze]

I wonder what would happen if a Chinese citizen started screaming at local chinese police who were investigating a possible break-in.

Something tells me it wouldnt be misdemeanor charges that would eventually be dropped and a couple of hours cooling off in a cell.

And apparently, you'd support it.

[Gino]

the prof should have been calm, but the cop shouldn't have arrested him just because he wasn't, and obama should have never said a word about it

At some point, Gates crossed a line. Im not sure if it was "I'll see your momma on the porch" line or something else, but officer determined he was being disorderly (who can blame him with lines like that).

The "all sides were wrong" argument is okay...but I dont agree with it. At some point, people have to realize that a cop is only going to take so much shit before he decides youre being disorderly. Its a minor offense (in this case it was even dropped) but it is the law.

Youre SUPPOSE to cooperate with polce. We state so in our freaking laws!!

[DarrinS]

When all the information has come forward and if it appears that Mr. Gates is at fault, don't you think he has done a serious misservice to minorities who have legitimate cases against the police?


Kinda like the whole Duke lacrosse fiasco?

[clambake]

what is that supposed to mean?

it means those other 2 minorities behaved in a way that you approve.

none of it would have happened had gates been an old white man.

[Gino]

And apparently, you'd support it.

Says who? I think Gates' punishment was fair. Let the guy chill out and think about what a clown he's being.

Your argument that respecting police officers means you arent allowed to protest against the inhumane treatment of people in communist China is fucking retarted.

[DarrinS]

it means those other 2 minorities behaved in a way that you approve.

none of it would have happened had gates been an old white man.


Now that's racism.

[ChumpDumper]

At some point, Gates crossed a line. Im not sure if it was "I'll see your momma on the porch" line or something else, but officer determined he was being disorderly (who can blame him with lines like that).I can blame him.

Just leave. Your job is done. Staying won't help anything.

Just leave.


The "all sides were wrong" argument is okay...but I dont agree with it. At some point, people have to realize that a cop is only going to take so much shit before he decides youre being disorderly. Its a minor offense (in this case it was even dropped) but it is the law.

Youre SUPPOSE to cooperate with polce. We state so in our freaking laws!!He showed ID. Nothing else was necessary for the investigation.

They were done with the investigation.

Just leave.

[rjv]

it is always easier to be perfect when one is not in a situation that someone else had to endure.

[Gino]

When all the information has come forward and if it appears that Mr. Gates is at fault, don't you think he has done a serious misservice to minorities who have legitimate cases against the police?


Kinda like the whole Duke lacrosse fiasco?

Absolutely. You hear REAL stories of racial profiling all the time. The only thing Gates and Obama did was cause resentment. Its political dynamite for Obama and, mark my words, we will see him apologize for it.

[ChumpDumper]

Says who? I think Gates' punishment was fair. Let the guy chill out and think about what a clown he's being.So, says you.

[clambake]

Now that's racism.

as an old white man, i can say that would not have happened to me in that neighborhood.

[ChumpDumper]

Absolutely. You hear REAL stories of racial profiling all the time. The only thing Gates and Obama did was cause resentment. Its political dynamite for Obama and, mark my words, we will see him apologize for it.Obama never said there was any racial motivation.

[Gino]

I can blame him.

Just leave. Your job is done. Staying won't help anything.

Just leave.

He showed ID. Nothing else was necessary for the investigation.

They were done with the investigation.

Just leave.


He showed a Harvard ID with no address etc. So he called Harvard police. He was leaving but Gates decided he wanted to mouth off some more and the cop decided "enough was enough".

You leave.

[clambake]

here is something we can all agree with.

in these circumstances, it pays to be white.

[Gino]

Obama never said there was any racial motivation.

He certainly implied it. He said that the cops acted stupidly since they arrested a guy after proving he lived there (he, like you , obviously didnt read the police report....its in the first post of this thread) and then proceeded to talk about the history of racial profiling in the US.

Obama implied that the cops couldnt arrest Gates for burglary, so they arrested him for disorderly conduct since he was black.

He'll apologize. Mark. My. Words. This is the same thing as the Wright situation. He'll tip-toe around it (see third video in original post), but eventually he'll apologize to make it finally go away.

[rjv]

this really comes down to an educated harvard man stating a "you do not know who i am" (the same thing that any number of black or white professors would have done) and a cop saying " f you... i can still arrest you" and doing just that. add to that a strong mix of cultural tension and you have this current mess.

[Oh, Gee!!]

At some point, Gates crossed a line. Im not sure if it was "I'll see your momma on the porch" line or something else, but officer determined he was being disorderly

you can beat the "rap" but not the ride.

[ChumpDumper]

He certainly implied it.Actually, he did not.
He said that the cops acted stupidly since they arrested a guy after proving he lived there (he, like you , obviously didnt read the police report....its in the first post of this thread) and then proceeded to talk about the history of racial profiling in the US.They did act stupidly.


Obama implied that the cops couldnt arrest Gates for burglary, so they arrested him for disorderly conduct since he was black.You inferred that because, well, you aren't that smart.


He'll apologize. Mark. My. Words. This is the same thing as the Wright situation. He'll tip-toe around it (see third video in original post), but eventually he'll apologize to make it finally go away.Such drama.

He doesn't really have anything to apologize for except making an less than artful connection, but people like you like to latch onto these things to distract from any real issues facing this country. I see him going down the clarification route and perhaps giving the nonapology-apology.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

where's radio raheem when you need him?

[DarrinS]

On the subject of what Obama said, as much as I think he's right its a fucking ridiculously stupid thing to say. Why the hell are you even addressing a local issue like that? Just because he's your friend? Probably one of the least presidential moments he's had in office so far and incredibly bad timing for it. That being said, no one expected him to go four years without saying stupid things from time to time. I hope he learns from this.


truth


In Obama's defense though, why the fuck was he even asked about it?

[rjv]

where's radio raheem when you need him?

the cops killed him.

[Winehole23]

Everyone: stop saying he was arrested for being rude to a police officer in his house.

Please read the police report and think about the fact that there were many witnesses to Gates being disorderly outside his house.Did any of them complain, or did police just decide to arrest Gates for being too loud in his own front yard?

[rjv]

Did any of them complain, or did police just decide to arrest Gates for being too loud in his own front yard?

sound like it. disorderly conduct in your own yard.

[Marcus Bryant]

Did any of them complain, or did police just decide to arrest Gates for being too loud in his own front yard?

How long until the cop is running for Congress or making repeat guest appearances on Fox News?

[DarrinS]

How long until the cop is running for Congress or making repeat guest appearances on Fox News?


A police officer pissed off a good friend of the most powerful man on Earth. I'd say the police officer is fucked.

[BacktoBasics]

I've been involved in numerous knock down drag out fights with ex wives that have resulted in the cops being called. Had parties some with legal substances and some parties that weren't so legal where the cops have shown up. Never been arrested. However I'm not black.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I've been involved in numerous knock down drag out fights with ex wives that have resulted in the cops being called. Had parties some with legal substances and some parties that weren't so legal where the cops have shown up. Never been arrested. However I'm not black.
were you an ass to the cop or did you do what the cop said?

[Marcus Bryant]

This is a perfect example of why conservatism is headed towards permanent electoral loser status. It may shock the Yannis and Water Closets of the world but non-white citizens tend just as much as white ones to be conservative. The difference is that the Cobra Commanders and Plagiarizers who think they are libertarian minded conservatives end up turning political conservatism into an authoritarian movement with a thinly disguised disdain for non-whites.

Jefferson thought spilling a little blood once in a while in revolution against the state was good for liberty. Cobra Commander would think that means that every day cops should pick up black men off the street and execute them.

[ChumpDumper]

A police officer pissed off a good friend of the most powerful man on Earth. I'd say the police officer is fucked.I'd say he's going to have opportunities and income he would never have had otherwise if he chooses that route.

He is far from fucked.

[BacktoBasics]

were you an ass to the cop or did you do what the cop said?Do you know who the hell you're talking to?

[clambake]

Do you know who the hell you're talking to?

:lol

[clambake]

This is a perfect example of why conservatism is headed towards permanent electoral loser status. It may shock the Yannis and Water Closets of the world but non-white citizens tend just as much as white ones to be conservative. The difference is that the Cobra Commanders and Plagiarizers who think they are libertarian minded conservatives end up turning political conservatism into an authoritarian movement with a thinly disguised disdain for non-whites.

Jefferson thought spilling a little blood once in a while in revolution against the state was good for liberty. Cobra Commander would think that means that every day cops should pick up black men off the street and execute them.

:toast

[Marcus Bryant]

Amazing that the immediate benefit of the doubt goes to the state. What a docile, spineless people who inhabit this country.

The other day Cobra Commander thought the pioneers of the good ol' lilly white Westward Expansion days would laugh at modern day liberals. I think they'd be scared of modern (so-called) conservatives like the Commander who worship the state.

[rjv]

Amazing that the immediate benefit of the doubt goes to the state. What a docile, spineless people who inhabit this country.

white people are probably more inclined to trust the state than minorities are to begin with.

[DarrinS]

Amazing that the immediate benefit of the doubt goes to the state. What a docile, spineless people who inhabit this country.


Too much crying wolf. Professor douche actually hurts people that really need to be heard.

[DarrinS]

This is a perfect example of why conservatism is headed towards permanent electoral loser status. It may shock the Yannis and Water Closets of the world but non-white citizens tend just as much as white ones to be conservative. The difference is that the Cobra Commanders and Plagiarizers who think they are libertarian minded conservatives end up turning political conservatism into an authoritarian movement with a thinly disguised disdain for non-whites.

Jefferson thought spilling a little blood once in a while in revolution against the state was good for liberty. Cobra Commander would think that means that every day cops should pick up black men off the street and execute them.


Put down the thesaurus and stop being such a drama queen. By the way, you're painting with a pretty wide racist brush.

[Marcus Bryant]

Too much crying wolf. Professor douche actually hurts people that really need to be heard.

Oh really? Now throughout the country people are discussing the role of the state and its abuses. The good professor's resistance will only help those people.

[Marcus Bryant]

I do not understand how people immediately identify with the state and assume that a fellow citizen was in the wrong. This goes to show you that public education is serving its purpose.

[Winehole23]

Too much crying wolf. Professor douche actually hurts people that really need to be heard.God forbid the police should let us alone in our own homes, once they verify that we belong there, and that there is no criminal activity that warrants further investigation.

Instead they detained Gates for just being a dick, and so-called board conservatives applaud. I guess the 1st amendment goes out the window when a cop is addressing you.:rolleyes

[DarrinS]

^LOL at WH and MB acting as if Stormtroopers busted into the home of Joe Six Pack and hauled him off to a labor camp.

[sam1617]

God forbid the police should let us alone in our own homes, once they verify that we belong there, and that there is no criminal activity that warrants further investigation.

Instead they detained Gates for just being a dick, and so-called board conservatives applaud. I guess the 1st amendment goes out the window when a cop is addressing you.:rolleyes

He left the house and Gates continued to a public setting and became a disturbance in a public area.

Heres a quick and dirty explanation of what disturbing the peace entails. You tell me if yelling at people in your yard counts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disturbing_the_peace

[clambake]

wikipedia sam.

[Marcus Bryant]

^LOL at WH and MB acting as if Stormtroopers busted into the home of Joe Six Pack and hauled him off to a labor camp.

LOL at Darrin's references to Obama as a communist, fascist, dictator, and socialist from the past year.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Do you know who the hell you're talking to?
i'm asking 'cause apparently i don't know the definition of assume.
let me try again. this is rhetorical.
were you being an ass?

[Winehole23]

That you seem to think so reflects either poor reading or dishonesty.

What I said contained no hyperbole. You're the only one calling Cambridge PD stormtroopers or the Cambridge city jail a labor camp.

[sam1617]

wikipedia sam.

Notice I said quick and dirty in my post...

[BacktoBasics]

i'm asking 'cause apparently i don't know the definition of assume.
let me try again. this is rhetorical.
were you being an ass?Absolutely.

[Winehole23]

He left the house and Gates continued to a public setting and became a disturbance in a public area. You mean his own front yard, right?


Heres a quick and dirty explanation of what disturbing the peace entails. You tell me if yelling at people in your yard counts. If no one complains, and the shouter is no threat to himself or (numerous) LE on the scene, police should use their discretion.

That the charges were dismissed may indicate that the basis for the arrest was pretty weak to begin with.

At any rate, Cambridge PD prefers not to take their chances in court, but just wants it to go away.

[Winehole23]

Sounds to me like the arresting officers made the wrong call on this one.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Absolutely.
and he just left?

[sam1617]

wikipedia sam.

http://www.municode.com/Resources/gateway.asp?pid=16889&sid=21

There... Navigate to the Public Peace, Morals and Welfar section, then find the Offenses against Public Peace and Decency...

It reads:


9.08.010 Disorderly conduct--Profanity and insulting language.
No person shall behave himself in a rude or disorderly manner, or use any indecent, profane or insulting language in any street or public place. No person shall make or cause to be made, any unnecessary noise or noises in any public street, private way or park, so as to cause any inconvenience or discomfort for the inhabitants of the City.

(Prior code § 13-5)

I think that Gates' actions as expressed in the police report fall under that regulation... His yard is a public place, before you try to use that arguement...

[Marcus Bryant]

It's amusing how a full half-year plus of whining in this forum by self-described "conservatives" about the fascist state set to descend on this country disappeared when this issue came up.

[ChumpDumper]

and he just left?Contrary to the beliefs of some here, just leaving is indeed an option.

[mookie2001]

the officer asked him to step outside, he did and he was arrested, since you cant get arrested for being disorderly in your own house

[ChumpDumper]

the officer asked him to step outside, he did and he was arrested, since you cant get arrested for being disorderly in your own houseThe radio acoustics reasoning is mildly amusing.

[Winehole23]

I also emphasized the lack of discretion, sam.

Even if the arrest was justifiable, it shows poor discretion to arrest a man at his own residence for being a bit of a dick about a mistaken police investigation, based on an erroneous complaint.

[sam1617]

the officer asked him to step outside, he did and he was arrested, since you cant get arrested for being disorderly in your own house

According to the police report, which is the only official document, Gates followed him outside, no one forced him to leave his house. If he had never gone outside, this whole situation would have never happened.

[Winehole23]

Inviting Gates outside *to continue the conversation* also looks like a pretext for arrest. It stinks.

[Marcus Bryant]

Conservatives don't give a shit about civil rights until they get busted for a DWI after a night spent drinking at the country club.

[ChumpDumper]

According to the police report, which is the only official document, Gates followed him outside, no one forced him to leave his house. If he had never gone outside, this whole situation would have never happened.Had they just left, this whole situation would never have happened.

[BacktoBasics]

and he just left?
Typically they just want to ensure that the situation is on the down turn and that there isn't any threat of violence. Sarcasm and a big mouth have never landed me in jail.

I've even been visibly drunk while underage in my front yard dropping F-bombs. They calmed me down and had my friends take me inside. Problem solved. I was certainly grateful that they didn't overreact to a little party noise and a drunk smartass.

[mookie2001]

ive been listening to neocon radio, you should have heard them their taints were red with rage, they spent hours on this shit

heres what i learned

black people have no respect for the police because their black parents raised them that way

police are heros

obama is a marxist who has no use for police unless he is controlling them to be marxist

black kids are shot in america because they dont have respect for the police

[sam1617]

I also emphasized the lack of discretion, sam.

Even if the arrest was justifiable, it shows poor discretion to arrest a man at his own residence for being a bit of a dick about a mistaken police investigation, based on an erroneous complaint.

I will agree that the officer is capable of using his discretion. However, IMO, the bigger mistake was on Gates, he could have cooperated, just gave him his ID, figured it out calmly, and then stayed inside. Instead he behaved badly and got arrested for it.

[ChumpDumper]

their taints were red with rage:lmao

[BacktoBasics]

Hell I've even had a state trooper pull me over at around midnight down around the Canyon lake area. We were headed for a swim. Had a ton of beer with us. Underage. Hadn't really been drinking yet just about one each on the drive there. They knew we just cracked open the case and all they did was pour it out on the side of the road. I got mouthy about being wasteful. He said I'd be thankful for his generosity when I got older. He was right. DWI would have sucked the life right out of me.

[Winehole23]

Had they just left, this whole situation would never have happened.Agreed, but Gates would've done well to confine himself to this formula upon showing his proof of residency:


Please leave my property now.

[resistanze]

this is a perfect example of why conservatism is headed towards permanent electoral loser status. It may shock the yannis and water closets of the world but non-white citizens tend just as much as white ones to be conservative. The difference is that the cobra commanders and plagiarizers who think they are libertarian minded conservatives end up turning political conservatism into an authoritarian movement with a thinly disguised disdain for non-whites.

Jefferson thought spilling a little blood once in a while in revolution against the state was good for liberty. Cobra commander would think that means that every day cops should pick up black men off the street and execute them.

qft

[sam1617]

ive been listening to neocon radio, you should have heard them their taints were red with rage, they spent hours on this shit

heres what i learned

black people have no respect for the police because their black parents raised them that way

police are heros

obama is a marxist who has no use for police unless he is controlling them to be marxist

black kids are shot in america because they dont have respect for the police

And listening to liberal radio, it's the opposite.

Police are all evil, people never break laws, all police that arrest black men are racist.

[DarrinS]

I always thought that Cambridge Massachusetts was the biggest bastion of flaming liberalism in the US (well, besides San Fran and Austin). But now, after reading the posts of Marcus Bryant, I realize that it is really Nazi Germany.

[ChumpDumper]

And listening to liberal radio, it's the opposite.

Police are all evil, people never break laws, all police that arrest black men are racist.
Which liberal radio did you listen to today?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Contrary to the beliefs of some here, just leaving is indeed an option.
chump still failing.

[Marcus Bryant]

I always thought that Cambridge Massachusetts was the biggest bastion of flaming liberalism in the US (well, besides San Fran and Austin).

The Constitution applies everywhere, even there.

[Gino]

Which liberal radio did you listen to today?

I like Stephanie Miller's show but "Air America" got dropped by my local affiliate.

Theres a guy who does voices. His Kim Jong Il is priceless.

[ChumpDumper]

chump still failing.Tell us all exactly how just leaving was not an option, Esfailas.

[mookie2001]

you dont listen to liberal radio nobody does

SF and austin police have a history of being liberal?

[DarrinS]

It's amusing how a full half-year plus of whining in this forum by self-described "conservatives" about the fascist state set to descend on this country disappeared when this issue came up.


FYI


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

[mrsmaalox]

Okay guys, you know I rarely venture into this place so be gentle with me ;) And sorry I don't have the patience to read the entire thread, so I just skimmed it. So enough disclaimer. Has anyone here heard the officer's recording of the incident? I heard it the first day on CNN but lately there is not much said about it. Made the case pretty obvious in my mind.

[DarrinS]

Tell us all exactly how just leaving was not an option, Esfailas.


Leaving was an option. So was arresting Gates.

[Winehole23]

Has anyone here heard the officer's recording of the incident? I heard it the first day on CNN but lately there is not much said about it. Made the case pretty obvious in my mind.Obvious as to what, please?

[Marcus Bryant]

FYI


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism


I know what it is, do you?

[DarrinS]

Okay guys, you know I rarely venture into this place so be gentle with me ;) And sorry I don't have the patience to read the entire thread, so I just skimmed it. So enough disclaimer. Has anyone here heard the officer's recording of the incident? I heard it the first day on CNN but lately there is not much said about it. Made the case pretty obvious in my mind.



What is your opinion?

[ChumpDumper]

Leaving was an option. So was arresting Gates.The question was for Esfailas.