Pick the best right now: Tim vs Tony

[DAF86]

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So who's currently the man on the Spurs?

[Texas_Ranger]

Tim will always be the man on the Spurs!
Parker can score more points than Timmy, but the leader is still TD!

Manu > Tony:stirpot:

[sonic21]

manu

[spursfan1000]

I'm going to go with Duncan.

[DAF86]

Who is better or who is more important?

If you could only pick one of them to be on your team for the next season, who'd it be?

[Texas_Ranger]

If you could only pick one of them to be on your team for the next season, who'd it be?

Tim all the way!

[BUMP]

If you could only pick one of them to be on your team for the next season, who'd it be?

If we're just gonna do one season, gotta be Tim Duncan hands down.

Without Duncan, the Spurs are a decent team but not championship contenders whatsoever

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

http://www.freewebs.com/votecartman/Timmy.bmp

[DAF86]

Tony is right now the number one option on offense for the Spurs, but Tim's overall imprint on a game (scoring, inside prescence, shot blocking ability, leadership, etc.) makes him the most important player on the team IMO.

[DAF86]

http://www.freewebs.com/votecartman/Timmy.bmp

You may get surprised at how many Spurs fans will vote for Tony.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Spurs have proven they can be good w/o Tony.....they went 7-3 w/o him last year. he's still a very good player but Tim is way more important.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You may get surprised at how many Spurs fans will vote for Tony.


I've gotten in several arguments with Spurs fans over this, I won't be surprised.

[DAF86]

The Spurs have proven they can be good w/o Tony.....they went 7-3 w/o him last year. he's still a very good player but Tim is way more important.

I think so too, but I already had lots of arguments on the Spurs section about who's more important to the Spurs right now.

[JamStone]

Almost always, teams need a dominant low post player to be legitimate championship contenders, so Tim Duncan is obviously more important. But, Tony Parker is the better player right now.

[sonic21]

DAF, you should have made a tony vs manu poll, it'd be closer.

[Rogue]

It should have been "if Spurs had gotta lose either Tim or Tony to a career-ending injury, who's the guy you'd want to see done for his career?" Then Tim would get my pick, since dude has been sloping significantly and rapidly and is much older than Tony Longoria, though Tim has a career more brilliant to Longoria's.

[DAF86]

manu

I know, but I tried to make this game interesting. If I'd have put Manu on this, not even Bump's trolls would have prevent Gino from winning this whole thing.

[DAF86]

DAF, you should have made a tony vs manu poll, it'd be closer.

Manu isn't on my top 16 list right now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DAF, you should have made a tony vs manu poll, it'd be closer.


I don't think so. A few years ago it was Tim Duncan as clearly the best player with Tony and Manu in close competition as the 2nd and 3rd wheel, now it's Manu clearly as the 3rd wheel with Duncan and Parker being constantly debated as which one is the 1st and 2nd wheel.

[IronMexican]

The mookie crew would clearly vote for Manu. I am pretty sure they started the CoM.

[Texas_Ranger]

It should have been "if Spurs had gotta lose either Tim or Tony to a career-ending injury, who's the guy you'd want to see done for his career?" Then Tim would get my pick, since dude has been sloping significantly and rapidly and is much older than Tony Longoria, though Tim has a career more brilliant to Longoria's.

I think that Spurs would have more chances to win the championship with Tim on the team and with Tony out. So I'd still rather watch Tim play 3 years, than Tony play 8 years.

[Rogue]

I know, but I tried to make this game interesting. If I'd have put Manu on this, not even Bump's trolls would have prevent Gino from winning this whole thing.
Gino hasn't won any personal award in NBA, and you're talking about the NBA league rather than the retarded international games, then Gino is easily beaten by TL who was the NBA finals MVP back in 07. Besides, Longoria also has a big reputation in the international world.

[DAF86]

Manu isn't on my top 16 list right now.

I'd have definitely made a "Manu vs Tony" matchup if he were on my top 16 list.

[JamStone]

Lakers aren't title contenders without Gasol, but you would never argue that Gasol is better than Kobe. Spurs can't win without Duncan, but Tony is the better player now.

[Texas_Ranger]

Gino hasn't won any personal award in NBA, and you're talking about the NBA league rather than the retarded international games, then Gino is easily beaten by TL who was the NBA finals MVP back in 07. Besides, Longoria also has a big reputation in the international world.

He was the 6th man of the year! He was also on the 3rd All NBA team. And Manu is much, much, much more popular in the international world! Just look at all the awards Manu won for Argentina and for his European teams.

[Thompson]

Why the heck did you match up the two Spurs so that one would get knocked out of the running? Me and my 20 other user names were ready to send them to the final rounds.

[DAF86]

Gino hasn't won any personal award in NBA, and you're talking about the NBA league rather than the retarded international games, then Gino is easily beaten by TL who was the NBA finals MVP back in 07. Besides, Longoria also has a big reputation in the international world.

I said this 'cause Manu is by far the most popular player on this board. Every time there's a "Who's your favorite Spurs?" poll Manu doubles Tim's votes.

[DAF86]

I don't think so. A few years ago it was Tim Duncan as clearly the best player with Tony and Manu in close competition as the 2nd and 3rd wheel, now it's Manu clearly as the 3rd wheel with Duncan and Parker being constantly debated as which one is the 1st and 2nd wheel.

A year ago, there were a lot of BB "specialists" asking who was the main guy on the Spurs: "Tim or Manu".

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

A year ago, there were a lot of BB "specialists" asking who was the main guy on the Spurs: "Tim or Manu".


A lot can change over the course of a year.

[Hornets1]

Tough one! Went with TP. The spurs could change their team name to the Duncan's and most would like it, considering how Duncan is a god in S.A.(rightfully so). However, I think TP has slightly become the better player. As far as "spurs" value goes, I'm undecided. I would have given timmy the slight edge last year at this time.

[DAF86]

Why the heck did you match up the two Spurs so that one would get knocked out of the running? Me and my 20 other user names were ready to send them to the final rounds.

'Cause I tried to make the most intersting matchups possible in the first round, and this looked like a pretty interesting one.

[Rogue]

I said this 'cause Manu is by far the most popular player on this board. Every time there's a "Who's your favorite Spurs?" poll Manu doubles Tim's votes.
If a poll is made in terms of Rockets team that who is your favorite player, then I'm pretty sure Yao will easily win this title even though dude is done for next season and probably for his whole career even. And the 2nd candidate won't have any more votes than even a quarter of Yao's.

[Spursfan092120]

Gotta go with Timmy. He's still the leader, and sets every other piece of the offense up when he's doubled.

[Summers]

DAF, you should have made a tony vs manu poll, it'd be closer.

and a more entertaining argument.

[DAF86]

If a poll is made in terms of Rockets team that who is your favorite player, then I'm pretty sure Yao will easily win this title even though dude is done for next season and probably for his whole career even. And the 2nd candidate won't have any more votes than even a quarter of Yao's.

That's pretty much what I'm saying. Manu would win even though he is not even close to beign the best player on the league right now.

[anakha]

Lakers aren't title contenders without Gasol, but you would never argue that Gasol is better than Kobe. Spurs can't win without Duncan, but Tony is the better player now.

This.

[dirk4mvp]

Parker's actually in these polls? lol.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think you can really say that Parker's better until you see how Duncan looks next year..

Duncan pre-ASG was playing the same role Tony played post-ASG until he got hurt..

Parker is the better scorer, and he's our clear #1 option offensively..I think that's his only advantage though..Duncan is the defensive anchor/leader/rebounder/most versatile offensive player with his ability to run the offense in the high and low post..

With that being said, Tony was obviously our BEST and most important player last season, due to his emergency as an elite player, and Duncan's injury...

[DAF86]

Parker's actually in these polls? lol.

Name me 16 players that are better than Tony right now.

[Ghazi]

Duncan easily IMO.

btw is this gonna be a tourney style thing where the winners of these polls advance?

[DAF86]

Duncan easily IMO.

btw is this gonna be a tourney style thing where the winners of these polls advance?

Yep

[Rogue]

That's pretty much what I'm saying. Manu would win even though he is not even close to beign the best player on the league right now.
absolutely, Yao would also win it as well. Although Argentinian fans are not so dumb and stupid as those Yao fans and there are many other great Argentinian basketball players besides Manu to share the support from their home country, it's still undeniable truth that Manu doesn't deserve to be considered of the same caliber with Tim.

[kamikazi_player]

Timmy all the way, i would suggest making a poll between duncan and d-ho. and billups vs parker

[DAF86]

Timmy all the way, i would suggest making a poll between duncan and d-ho. and billups vs parker

Yeah, now that I think about it that would have been more interesting. But it's allready done besides I thought this would be a lot closer than it is right now.

[JamStone]

I don't think you can really say that Parker's better until you see how Duncan looks next year..

Duncan pre-ASG was playing the same role Tony played post-ASG until he got hurt..

Parker is the better scorer, and he's our clear #1 option offensively..I think that's his only advantage though..Duncan is the defensive anchor/leader/rebounder/most versatile offensive player with his ability to run the offense in the high and low post..

With that being said, Tony was obviously our BEST and most important player last season, due to his emergency as an elite player, and Duncan's injury...

No disrespect to the greatest power forward in the history of the game, but Duncan as a defensive anchor for the last 2 years has been pretty average, and even poor by his own standards. He gets lit up by even "good" (not just elite) low post players now. And, as a leader, he's always been one of those quiet, lead-by-example type leaders. I always felt Manu was more of a leader because of his passion on the court. Tim might be the better defender than Parker, but he's not even that great of a defender. And, while he's the consummate professional and a great teammate, I wouldn't call Duncan one of the great leaders in the game.

I feel Tony Parker makes the Spurs as good as they possibly can be by forcing defenses to react to him, his speed, his aggressiveness, his attacks at the basket, and now his indefensible style due to his improved consistency in his jumper. You can say he's only the better player offensively, but without him, the Spurs would be losing a lot of 85-78 games. The Spurs need Parker's offense, his ability to push the ball in open court and attack half court defenses as well.

Obviously, a lot of people who voted disagree and still believe Duncan is the better player or the more important player. For me, that says more about how weak the front court has been than it is about Duncan being better than Parker. But, I guess I'm in the minority.

[tlongII]

There is no question that right now Parker is their best player. Not even debatable.

[Hemotivo]

Duncan still can rebound, defend and even score; so it's Duncan.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/372320334_b8183d49e6_o.png

TP has improved his game every year, but... well... maybe this season

[BadOdor]

Last year's playoffs should have answered the question.

[Killakobe81]

This should be a sweep, unanimous victory for Tim ...unless Eva has a Spurstalk account.

[redzero]

The one who plays for the Spurs.

[Killakobe81]

I agre with Jamstone there has been some slippage in Tim's game whther that has been health or age or both ...BUT he is still better than Parker at everything except speed, penetration, FT's and floaters

[Cry Havoc]

Tony Parker is my favorite Spurs player. I think because of Duncan he might go down as one of the most unappreciated, underrated point guards of all time. I've seen Tony score in places and from angles that should not be possible. Plays I'm not sure if ANYONE else in the NBA could finish, he finds a way to bank it off the glass and in. People might dislike him because his flash doesn't really fit the traditional mold of a Spurs player, but you never hear Tony talking negatively about his teammates -- heck, you don't even hear him trash-talking the other players on the court, even though there's maybe a handful of guys in the NBA who wouldn't have their ankles shattered by Tony in a game of 1 on 1.

He is one of the best finishers in the NBA. If he was truly given "all-star" treatment that he's due, he'd average 12-15 FTA per game, or more. He's seriously a top 3 point guard, and a top 10 guard in the NBA and there's likely little to no discussion about that. Very few players in the NBA can even come close to guarding him.

That said....

It's Duncan. It's always the defensive anchor of a team. Tim makes the Spurs who they are. He is our identity on offense and defense. He sets the will of this team. Parker may be the engine now, and Manu the gas (and Jefferson is the nitrous!! :hat) but Duncan is the steel-welded frame, the ruggedly built off-road chassis, and the rotating driveshaft that powers the Spurs. He has been for the past, oh, 9 years now. That won't change for another couple seasons at least.

When a player can go for 20-10 a night and makes your team a defensive juggernaut for a decade, it doesn't matter who else you have on your team. He's the man.

[TMTTRIO]

I always felt Manu was more of a leader because of his passion on the court.

Maybe as far as the energy he brings but I've never thought of Manu as a leader. Yes he goes out and plays with everything he has but he seems to try to stay out of things and not get involved in helping the other guys. I've never really seen him take over and tell the other guys what to do like he does with his NT. Tim is the leader all the way.

[LnGrrrR]

Tim Duncan, still. Maybe if you did this next year, I'd say Parker.

[spursfan1000]

You may get surprised at how many Spurs fans will vote for Tony.

Dosen't look like too many.

[Muser]

Duncan, even after his injury he was a 20/10 guy.

[hater]

Duncan, Manu, Parker that is the order of importance to the team. But without any we dont have a chance

[sonic21]

Duncan, Manu, Parker that was the order of importance to the team. But without any we dont have a chance

fify

[DAF86]

Dosen't look like too many.

lots of Spurs fans that don't want to admit that they think Tony > Tim right now.

[Brazil]

lots of Spurs fans that don't want to admit that they think Tony > Tim right now.


? It seems that you are under estimating a lot spurs fans

even for a big TP homer like me answer is still Tim

[DAF86]

? It seems that you are under estimating a lot spurs fans

even for a big TP homer like me answer is still Tim

I have had tons of arguments about who is currently the man on the Spurs (me arguing that was Tim) with a lot of Spurs fans that didn't vote on this poll or voted for Duncan.

[holcs50]

lots of Spurs fans that don't want to admit that they think Tony > Tim right now.

Ill admit it. Voted for TP. Now if TD comes back and can play through the year without his knee giving him too much trouble of course TD is the most important in the playoffs. If he is like he was last year tho id say TP is the man and all signs point to tp being even better next year...he's hitting his prime the next few years, he will be a force next year.

[spursfan09]

Tony Parker himself would vote for Tim.

[23LeBronJames23]

Whos better Kobe or Gasol is about same quistion as: Whos better Duncan or Parker.

Dumb Thread

[NBAfan83]

I have to agree not a great poll arguing players on the same team.

It should be Duncan or Pau or Duncan or Dirk.

[JustBlaze]

Right now? It's a toss up, however I'd give the slight edge to Duncan.

[Brazil]

Tony Parker himself would vote for Tim.

[jack sommerset]

I've gotten in several arguments with Spurs fans over this, I won't be surprised.

Spew fans are stupid to even have this debate. I say Spew fans simply because you never see this question anywhere else except a Spew fan site. But it does give us a little peek into the dumb fucks brains on this site. If they say Duncan you learn nothing. If they say Parker you know they have no business talking anywhere about anything. They lose all credit about any subject.

[Culburn369]

******Ruh, roh. Exhibition games again. You'd think you'd a learnt your lesson with Manu.******

Updated: July 27, 2009, 12:40 PM ET
Injured Parker unlikely to play Thursday


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PARIS -- Spurs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sas) guard Tony Parker (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1015) has a sprained ankle and injured thigh after colliding with an Austrian player during a recent basketball game.

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Parker is unlikely to be available to play for France in Thursday's game in Paris against Hungary in Eurobasketball 2009, according to sports daily L'Equipe.
The Spurs' star hurt his right thigh and ankle in a collision with Stjepan Stazic in a game Friday. Parker issued a statement saying he was hit in his thigh and turned his ankle.
The statement also said tests on Saturday showed no sign of ligament tears or other serious complications, and that he could resume training later in the week.

[Brazil]

******Ruh, roh. Exhibition games again. You'd think you'd a learnt your lesson with Manu.******

Updated: July 27, 2009, 12:40 PM ET
Injured Parker unlikely to play Thursday


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PARIS -- Spurs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sas) guard Tony Parker (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1015) has a sprained ankle and injured thigh after colliding with an Austrian player during a recent basketball game.

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Parker is unlikely to be available to play for France in Thursday's game in Paris against Hungary in Eurobasketball 2009, according to sports daily L'Equipe.
The Spurs' star hurt his right thigh and ankle in a collision with Stjepan Stazic in a game Friday. Parker issued a statement saying he was hit in his thigh and turned his ankle.
The statement also said tests on Saturday showed no sign of ligament tears or other serious complications, and that he could resume training later in the week.


old news Cul !

[Amaso]

I picked Tony Parker, even though I'm a big Timmy fan as well. It's always been hard to compare big vs. small in terms of who's actually better. Who's the better player right now? Tony Parker. Who's the more important player? Tim Duncan, because he's a big guy.

[DAF86]

This isn't going anywhere so I'm going to close it.


WINNER: Tim Duncan - 76.67 % (69 votes)

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LOSER?: Tony Parker - 23.33 % (21 votes)

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