Gooden to Dallas

[Buddy Holly]

Have the Spurs done a great job surrounding TD with quality players? Yes. Doesn't change the fact surrounding a once in a generation player with a good supporting cast is a lot easier than acquiring a once in a generation player.

Then explain why the Cavs haven't won shit? Explain why Kobe couldn't make it out of the first round or even make the playoffs before Memphis hang gift wrapped Gasol. Explain how Garnett couldn't get out of the first round for so many years.

Explain and I'll be here listening.

[Findog]

No, a mediocre GM/coach gets you the same amount of rings Garnett was able to get before being traded to the Celts.

The fuck?????Tim Duncan in his prime was way better than Kevin Garnett.


The same amount Lebron has been able to get. The same amount Kobe was able to get until their GM lucked into the Gasol trade. The Lakers FO is mediocre. The same amount Dirk has been able to get. The same amount Amare and Nash have been able to get.

I can't believe you're putting Dirk/KG/Amare-Nash on par with Duncan, Kobe and Bron.

[Rogue]

:lmao





2 of your 3 best players are chronically injured. That's not exactly an ideal situation I'd like for my team to be in either.
I heard Tony Longoria also got injured some day ago, and the new recruited Jefferson also has a long history of injury.

[Buddy Holly]

Spurs fans see Brandon Bass a half-dozen times, and just because he has good games against the Spurs, they think he does that all year long against everybody.

Typical. Yeah, we get it, the Spurs are the center of the NBA universe and everyone else is just trying to stay in orbit.

Dumbass troll generalizes Spurs fans.

Typical. Yeah, we get it, you have no life and nothing better to do but troll a Spurs forum. Got it.

[Avitus1]

Good bye Drew..... not that I care.... was against him being in silver and black since the get go...

[Unforgivable]

Then explain why the Cavs haven't won shit?


If they had David Robinson on the team when they drafted Lebron, they would have. If they luck into an incredibly weak era similar to 2005-2007, they'll win 1-2 championships right there.

[dirk4mvp]

I heard Tony Longoria also got injured some day ago, and the new recruited Jefferson also has a long history of injury.

I forgot about Blair, who most spurfan has already named him the second coming of Charles Barkley.

[Buddy Holly]

The fuck?????Tim Duncan in his prime was way better than Kevin Garnett.

So what, Garnett was an elite superstar in the same tier as Duncan. Shitting management decisions are the reason Garnett couldn't do dick in the playoffs. It's a 5 on 5 game not 1 on 5. no matter how good the player is.




I can't believe you're putting Dirk/KG/Amare-Nash on par with Duncan, Kobe and Bron.

KG, yes. Dirk, not the same level but close enough. Amare-Nash, that was a great tandem.

[Buddy Holly]

If they had David Robinson on the team when they drafted Lebron, they would have. If they luck into an incredibly weak era similar to 2005-2007, they'll win 1-2 championships right there.

Oh my god, your argument is weak and your reposition of your argument is even weaker.

Just give up already.

[Unforgivable]

Amare-Nash, that was a great tandem.

In the regular season.

[Rogue]

Dumbass troll generalizes Spurs fans.

Typical. Yeah, we get it, you have no life and nothing better to do but troll a Spurs forum. Got it.
Dickface is a sonics fan and the sonics are no longer a rival to Spurs, they are even not existing no more. And it's not too hard to imagine how pale the Spurstalk would be like if it only contained spurs fans. If someone is trolling on spurs forum, then dude should be a either a Mav fan or a Hornets fan, but no one would suspect him a fan of a team which no longer exists in the league.

[Findog]

So what, Garnett was an elite superstar in the same tier as Duncan. Shitting management decisions are the reason Garnett couldn't do dick in the playoffs. It's a 5 on 5 game not 1 on 5. no matter how good the player is.

Duncan getting 4 rings is about right. Garnett getting 1 feels right too. They're both great defenders, but you could run your offense thru Duncan late in a game, something you couldn't do with KG. I bet Duncan on the Wolves nets a championship. It's not that hard to come up with a decent supporting cast for Tim Duncan. KG on the Spurs???? Probably a championship, but no dynasty.

[Buddy Holly]

Can the posters in blue explain what they're arguing?

Are you guys upset that Spurs fans are dismissing the Gooden signing or upset that they're saying Bass is better?

[Unforgivable]

Oh my god, your argument is weak and your reposition of your argument is even weaker.

Just give up already.


Explain how my argument is weak. The fact is, when the Spurs got the #1 overall pick, they were nowhere near the worst team in the NBA. When the Cavs got the pick, they were by far the worst team in the NBA.

[Buddy Holly]

Dickface is a sonics fan and the sonics are no longer a rival to Spurs, they are even not existing no more. And it's not too hard to imagine how pale the Spurstalk would be like if it only contained spurs fans. If someone is trolling on spurs forum, then dude should be a either a Mav fan or a Hornets fan, but no one would suspect him a fan of a team which no longer exists in the league.

LOL. if you think he's a Sonic fan. :lol

[Buddy Holly]

Explain how my argument is weak. The fact is, when the Spurs got the #1 overall pick, they were nowhere near the worst team in the NBA. When the Cavs got the pick, they were by far the worst team in the NBA.

Your argument went from the Spurs tanked to the Spurs FO had no part in the continued success because players as good as Duncan could lead YMCA players to a title. I gave you examples of players on the same level as Duncan in his prime who weren't able or haven't been able to win titles or have continued successes.

Now your argument is somewhere between here and north Korea.

[Unforgivable]

If the Suns and the Spurs flip flop picks in 1987, the Suns easily have more championships than SA does. It's just luck of the draw, not one "superior franchise".

[dickface]

Explain how my argument is weak.

You had no mention of fingering, butt plugs, or any other form of anal penetration.

[Buddy Holly]

If the Suns and the Spurs flip flop picks in 1987, the Suns easily have more championships than SA does. It's just luck of the draw, not one "superior franchise".

No one is guaranteed any championship with any draft pick moron. So stop talking out your ass.

[Knoxxx]

Get a fucking clue. You can't buy championships in the NBA.

It's nice to see that Mark Cuban has found a way to activate the manic part of your psychological profile. Good luck with that.

That was exactly my point, Cuban is trying like hell to buy a championship and it can't be done. And he meddles with things he shouldn't and is an incompetent wanna-be. He's the last kid to get picked on the playground. Throwing his money around does not impress us simple folk from S.A.

I see that I have now driven you to a multi-post rebuttal and I am the manic one?

I appreciate that you agree with me on Cuban even if you won't come out and admit it completely. Sure you could do worse, that was not my point. I am going to turn in on that note, but I enjoyed the spirited exchange. You seem to be a decent sort, if a bit in denial. Peace and goodwill.

[Unforgivable]

Your argument went from the Spurs tanked to the Spurs FO had no part in the continued success because players as good as Duncan could lead YMCA players to a title. I gave you examples of players on the same level as Duncan in his prime who weren't able or haven't been able to win titles or have continued successes.

Now your argument is somewhere between here and north Korea.



KG is not on the same level as Duncan in his prime. Findog explained this.

[dickface]

Are you guys upset that Spurs fans are dismissing the Gooden signing or upset that they're saying Bass is better?

Neither. We're upset that you're fucking stupid enough to think Bass has better basketball IQ than Drew Gooden while offering no proof.

[Unforgivable]

No one is guaranteed any championship with any draft pick moron. So stop talking out your ass.


huh?

[Buddy Holly]

KG is not on the same level as Duncan in his prime. Findog explained this.

Yes they were. They were on the same tier, elite superstars. Duncan would a bit better. That's it. His legacy will be bigger because he was able to win more titles with lesser talent than Garnett.

[dickface]

He doesn't zone out and forget what play the team is running.

Yes he does.


He won't completely forget to guard his man.

Yes he will.


He doesn't try to use a skill he doesn't process and force ugly low post shots.

Yes he does.

[Buddy Holly]

huh?

You made a generic statement that made no sense. Fuck, did Spursreport close down?

[Buddy Holly]

Yes he does.



Yes he will.



Yes he does.

Again, I'll be here with a funny picture for the first "Fuck Gooden!" post in the NBA forum.

[Rogue]

Can the posters in blue explain what they're arguing?

Are you guys upset that Spurs fans are dismissing the Gooden signing or upset that they're saying Bass is better?
Spurs used Drew for almost half a season y postseason at the minimum prize, while the Mavs are going to pay him what he deserves for next season. Bass may become a great player in the future but Gooden is actually superior than him, at least it is a lateral move to swap Bass to Gooden.

[Unforgivable]

O you edited your post, you don't think this team wins any championships:

David Robinson
Charles Barkley
Richard Dumas
Dan Majerle
Kevin Johnson

w/ Ceballos, Ainge, Chambers and Mark West off the bench?

[dirk4mvp]

Neither. We're upset that you're fucking stupid enough to think Bass has better basketball IQ than Drew Gooden while offering no proof.

Yeah he did. Hold on let me find it.

[dirk4mvp]

Neither. We're upset that you're fucking stupid enough to think Bass has better basketball IQ than Drew Gooden while offering no proof.

"Yeah, you keep saying that but I watched enough of him to know you'll get frustrated with Gooden in a hurry."

[Buddy Holly]

Bass may become a great player in the future but Gooden is actually superior than him

But he's not, he really isn't.


at least it is a lateral move to swap Bass to Gooden.

I'd agree to an extent.

[Unforgivable]

Duncan would a bit better.

Thanks for playing.

[dickface]

Again, I'll be here with a funny picture for the first "Fuck Gooden!" post in the NBA forum.
And nobody will care about your boyband loving ass when the picture is posted, because nobody expects anything special from Drew Gooden. Once again, you have no backup for your argument so you change the subject.

It's real simple. Name one single time you've seen Brandon Bass display that he has a basketball IQ higher than Gooden's. One time. Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd go....

[Unforgivable]

Spurfan scared about his team's future after Duncan :lmao

[Buddy Holly]

O you edited your post, you don't think this team wins any championships:

David Robinson
Charles Barkley
Richard Dumas
Dan Majerle
Kevin Johnson

w/ Ceballos, Ainge, Chambers and Mark West off the bench?

So not only do you make a generic statement you put a hypothetical roster out there that probably wouldn't have existed had Robinson been drafted by the Suns.

FYI, no teams were beating the Jordan Bulls.

[Buddy Holly]

Spurfan scared about his team's future after Duncan :lmao

Nope.

[dirk4mvp]

Is JC Chavez's #1 fan under the impression that Lamar Odom has a high bball IQ?

[Buddy Holly]

"Yeah, you keep saying that but I watched enough of him to know you'll get frustrated with Gooden in a hurry."

No, I actually provided reasoning's for my opinion.

[dirk4mvp]

Spurfan scared about his team's future after Duncan :lmao

Franchise bigs can be found in every year's draft!

[dirk4mvp]

No, I actually provided reasoning's for my opinion.

You have? The only thing you've posted is some wait and see bullshit.

[Buddy Holly]

Is JC Chavez's #1 fan under the impression that Lamar Odom has a high bball IQ?

Is it sad that you know the guys name or that was some kind of insult directed at me.

Whatever the case, no he doesn't.

[Unforgivable]

So not only do you make a generic statement you put a hypothetical roster out there that probably wouldn't have existed had Robinson been drafted by the Suns.

FYI, no teams were beating the Jordan Bulls.

How would it have not existed? That 2nd overall pick turned into jack shit. The Spurs had the chance to get Barkley but their owner was too cheap, ask Baseline Bum about this.

And that Suns team w/o D-Rob threw away game 6 in 1993. W/ D-Rob they beat the Jordan Bulls, and even if they don't they def. win it all in both 1994 and 1995.

[Buddy Holly]

You have? The only thing you've posted is some wait and see bullshit.

Try 238.

[dickface]

No, I actually provided reasoning's for my opinion.

please define "reasoning" in the manner that you're using it here, so that when we find some obtuse comment that pertains to nothing, we'll know that was your "reasoning".

[Unforgivable]

Franchise bigs can be found in every year's draft!


They'll find the next greatest PF of all time no problem!!!

[dirk4mvp]

Is it sad that you know the guys name or that was some kind of insult directed at me.

Whatever the case, no he doesn't.

You posted on an nsync forum. No insults needed.

[dickface]

Try 238.

Try 275.

[Rogue]

Spurfan scared about his team's future after Duncan :lmao
Tony Longoria will carry on the flag in the post-Duncan era. :flag: as the leader, with his fellows generally all on the western side of 30.

[Buddy Holly]

How would it have not existed? That 2nd overall pick turned into jack shit. The Spurs had the chance to get Barkley but their owner was too cheap, ask Baseline Bum about this.

What? It wouldn't exist because more than likely the Suns don't trade for Barkley if they have Robinson.

Seriously, are you drunk at the moment?

[TDMVPDPOY]

So what, Garnett was an elite superstar in the same tier as Duncan. Shitting management decisions are the reason Garnett couldn't do dick in the playoffs. It's a 5 on 5 game not 1 on 5. no matter how good the player is.





KG, yes. Dirk, not the same level but close enough. Amare-Nash, that was a great tandem.

dunno how u can put KG on the same lvl as duncan....

dude basically crippled the wolves by accepting 100m contract....they couldnt build shit around him cause of stupid decision makn from both parties...

[Buddy Holly]

You posted on an nsync forum. No insults needed.

No I didn't but nice of you to think you're clever.

[Knoxxx]

You have? The only thing you've posted is some wait and see bullshit.

We covered the bad aspects of Gooden's game in quite some detail early in the thread. It seems you jumped in on the tail end and missed it. If you are that interested, you should go back and read the entire thread rather than badgering BH to rehash it.

[Unforgivable]

What? It wouldn't exist because more than likely the Suns don't trade for Barkley if they have Robinson.


Explain. Why would having a franchise center make it so they no longer want a franchise PF?

If the Spurs used that logic in 1997 they draft Chauncey Billups.

[dickface]

dunno how u can put KG on the same lvl as duncan....

dude basically crippled the wolves by accepting 100m contract....they couldnt build shit around him cause of stupid decision makn from both parties...

lol, Buddy Holly owned by one of his fellow Spurs fans.

[Buddy Holly]

dunno how u can put KG on the same lvl as duncan....

dude basically crippled the wolves by accepting 100m contract....they couldnt build shit around him cause of stupid decision makn from both parties...

What does his contract have to do with his playing skill and talent?

[Buddy Holly]

lol, Buddy Holly owned by one of his fellow Spurs fans.

Jesus. :rolleyes

[dickface]

We covered the bad aspects of Gooden's game in quite some detail early in the thread. It seems you jumped in on the tail end and missed it. If you are that interested, you should go back and read the entire thread rather than badgering BH to rehash it.

And you covered exactly nothing in how that relates to Brandon Bass having a higher B-Ball IQ than Drew Gooden.

[Unforgivable]

What does his contract have to do with his playing skill and talent?


His greed was a lot harder to deal with than Duncan's willingness to take a paycut.

[dickface]

Jesus. :bang

I'm sure it pains you to be that stupid. But keep on trucking, slugger! You'll be something more than a functional retard one day :tu

[Unforgivable]

lol having Robinson makes it so they wouldn't want to trade the Jeff Hornacek poo poo platter for Barkley :lmao

[Buddy Holly]

Explain. Why would having a franchise center make it so they no longer want a franchise PF?

If the Spurs used that logic in 1997 they draft Chauncey Billups.

Because the Suns weren't big spenders back then. So having a big contact in Robinson and a probably really good team, there'd be no need to trade for Barkley.

You do understand if Hitler never existed, millions of jews probably wouldn't have been killed, right.

[Findog]

What does his contract have to do with his playing skill and talent?

:lmao

Didn't you try to lecture me earlier about the salary cap and roster management?

[Buddy Holly]

lol having Robinson makes it so they wouldn't want to trade the Jeff Hornacek poo poo platter for Barkley :lmao

They were a shitty team trying to get better. They needed to do a trade. With Robinson, likely not.

It's much different circumstances.

[dirk4mvp]

No I didn't but nice of you to think you're clever.

lol denial

[Unforgivable]

Because the Suns weren't big spenders back then.


:lmao I'm willing to bet my life you weren't even 10 years old in 1993.

[Buddy Holly]

:lmao

Didn't you try to lecture me earlier about the salary cap and roster management?

What? My argument is that Garnett was on the same level as Duncan while they were both in their primes.

Saying he wasn't because of his contract is stupid.

[TDMVPDPOY]

His greed was a lot harder to deal with than Duncan's willingness to take a paycut.

KGs greed came to expense of building a team around him....

by the team he actually took a paycut it was too late, the damage has been done...all his fans love to talk how he had shit players around him...but he no trouble accepting 100m contract..fkn hypocrites

[Ghazi]

Hey guys :)

[dickface]

Buddy Holly is getting absolutely bukkake'd with ownage right now. Good job fellas :tu

[Buddy Holly]

lol denial

Not denial. Fact.

It wasn't and isn't a insync forum. But the fact that you came in five minutes after the argument and are now pretending to know how it started and who was involved and how it ended, is pretty funny.

[Unforgivable]

They were a shitty team trying to get better. They needed to do a trade. With Robinson, likely not.

It's much different circumstances.


The season before they acquired Barkley, they won 53 games. Nice self-ownage there NSYNC.

[Unforgivable]

:lmao the season before they had Chuck, they schalacked your Spurs 3-0 in the 1st round.

[Buddy Holly]

:lmao I'm willing to bet my life you weren't even 10 years old in 1993.

The fact that you think that everything plays out the same with such drastic changes leads me to believe you weren't 10 in 2003.

[dirk4mvp]

It wasn't an insync forum. But the fact that you came in five minutes after the argument and are now pretending to know how it started and who was involved and how it ended, is pretty funny.


lol purposely misspelling your favorite group's name to make you look like less of a homo. I know how it started. With you posting on an nsync forum.

[dickface]

It wasn't an insync forum.

lol, purposely misspelling the band's name to make it seem like you don't care about them.

and lol @ the upcoming "how would you know how they spell their name? probably cuz you listen to them all the time" and then some random comments about asshole fingering and butt plugs.

[Findog]

What? My argument is that Garnett was on the same level as Duncan while they were both in their primes.

That argument is incorrect.


Saying he wasn't because of his contract is stupid.

The guy with the vag-licking avatar is right. KG was a lesser player, and he took a payday that made it difficult to surround him with enough complementary talent to get it done.

[Unforgivable]

lol purposely misspelling your favorite group's name


:lmao my first thought.

[dirk4mvp]

I'd rather be caught with Enrique Iglesias' entire catalog of music on my ipod than be caught posting on an nsync forum.

[Unforgivable]

lol 53 game winner being a "shitty team"
lol NSYNC

[Unforgivable]

I think fagbait packed his bags and went home.

[dickface]

http://apps.rockyou.com/images/facebook/apps/superwall/2008_02_07_great_success.jpg

[Greg Oden]

I think fagbait packed his bags and went home.

lol bye bye bye

[Unforgivable]

lol bye bye bye

sup, Greg.

[Unforgivable]

100th post!!! woot woot!!!!

[Greg Oden]

what's goin on brah.

[pussyface.]

I love butt plugs. Just sayin. Holla at me, Buddy Holly!

[Greg Oden]

Am I late?

[Greg Oden]

lol at pussface. getting his title changed way back in the day when you had to request that shit thus allowing him to go past the character limit.

[John Ameachi]

did somebody say butt plugs?

[GAYTRAIN]

did somebody say butt plugs?

hey I'm all for that! pm me! :)

[John Ameachi]

wow, I missed butt plugs and NSYNC forums. This silly willy BUDDY HOLLY seems great.

[Danny.Zhu]

I thought he was better than Gortat anyway.

Totally.

[John Ameachi]

lol at pussface. getting his title changed way back in the day when you had to request that shit thus allowing him to go past the character limit.



:lmao it's not even the real pussyface.

[Alonzo Harris]

I just got done plowing Ghazi's wife and I'm sweaty as fuck and smelling like nacho cheese. What did I miss?


How about I cut your dick off and shove it up that funky little ass of yours?

[BobcatsDynasty]

Buddy Holly tried to post some posts and wound up getting owned like he's supposed to get owned. No surprises here.

[Alonzo Harris]

The real pussyface is a homo.

[Eminem]

spaghetti spaghetti spaghetti

[Will Hunting]

You putt from the rough queers talking about butt plugs. Us Southies will murder you.

[TDMVPDPOY]

KG didnt he accept another extention from the celtics when he was traded to them?

explains why the celtics are trying to get rid some of its young talent players last 2 seasons like rondo last season and who else...cant wait for his fans to come in and say the current celtics team is different to the celtics 07/08 team...when they dont go deep in the playoffs again.

the wolves were basically shit b4 KG came, with KG extention they continue to be shit cause his contract was nearly half of the teams cap, and the players on them teams were shit in comparison werent even tradeable assets. Fuck excuses this wanker had some fine players around him but he kicked them to the curb..marbury, the rookie who outplay him in training practice who else...billups..umm FAIL.

[Will Hunting]

The real pussyface is a homo.


Remember me, we went to kindergarten together?

[Brandon Bass]

I'll kick the shit out of every last motherfucker in here talkin bout I got a low basketball IQ. I'm smart as hell bitches, I can count 1 2 4 6 whatever!

[Goran Dragic]

What you bout bitch?

[Ghazi]

I wish I had a PS3. I just bought NCAA 2010 for PS2 and realized everybodys got it for PS3/XBox. wouldn't that be comical if I tried to play online and nobody was on? :lol

Oh well, I'm not much into videogames as it is. this was first game I bought in over 2 years...bAlthough I do enjoy Madden/NCAA... looks like PS2 is so 4 years ago. :lol @ me

edit: felt like posting that here since this thread has already been hijacked to hell.

[Buddy Holly]

I think fagbait packed his bags and went home.

Nope. I have a real life. Being a internet troll is probably your only means of substance so you and dickface wouldn't understand.

[timtonymanurich]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!! <--- :bang (WTF???!!!)

I don't remember SA needing Drew Gooden, ESPECIALLY with the front court that we have now.... If Pop and RC didn't make it a point to pursue him-- there's a reason for that!!! :jack Dallas can have him.

Cuban is just playing 'fantasy basketball' with his roster just like Jerry Jones did with the Cowboys and look where it got Dallas!! :nope To all you Dallas fans: no need to start acting like a lady..... don't worry, you'll be back on your knees in no time! Besides... do you REALLY think that Stern is ever going to allow Cuban to be a world champion? :pimpslap

[Alonzo Harris]

Remember me, we went to kindergarten together?
Since you won't let me read my paper, why don't you entertain me with one of your stories?

[Buddy Holly]

lol purposely misspelling your favorite group's name to make you look like less of a homo. I know how it started. With you posting on an nsync forum.

Yeah, I guess you missed the other times I spelled the name correctly in this thread. It's not an nsync forum, wasn't then and isn't now. But who cares, you guys seem to be way into this, I couldn't care less.

I guess whatever helps take your mind off your sorry excuse for an NBA team is all I can do to help.

[Buddy Holly]

The season before they acquired Barkley, they won 53 games. Nice self-ownage there NSYNC.

Oh wow, someone decided to go to basketball reference and then act like a smart ass.

I was wrong they weren't shitty.

I remember one of the two being shitty. It was Philly, not Phoenix.

[TDMVPDPOY]

man if we knew they were gettin gooden, shouldve ask them to take finleys ass back also in return for jho

[td_tp_manu]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!!

we don't pay Gooden a cent when he's left

[Bruno]

Dallas is having a damn good offseason:
- They get Marion for nothing a little like Spurs get RJ.
- Ross for the min is a damn good deal.
- Gortat for the full MLE was overpaying but he was a player that could have helped them. Gooden was the best plan B available and they got him without making a long term commitment.
- Beaubois shows some nice things in SL.

Mavs have a very nice 8 players rotation (Kidd, Barea, Terry, Howard, Marion, Dirk, Gooden, Dampier). They have some good role players to fill this rotation with a shooter (Carroll), a defender (Ross) and an energy big (Hollins). They were clearly one step behind some teams last year. This year could very well be different.

[024]

i'm very surprised gooden didn't get the full MLE for five years. would seem like something he could have easily squeezed out of cuban. he's definitely better than diop and even gortat.

[Muser]

This is a really, really solid signing for Dallas. Especially if it's in the 2-3mill/yr range.

Again, I really don't know what Spurs fans expect from players. Gooden was GREAT for the Spurs in the short time he was here. He went "1 on 5", because that was what he was asked to do... be aggressive and provide scoring punch for the 2nd unit. Which was exactly what he did. Seriously, if you think McDyess is that much better than Gooden, especially given McDyess' knees could give at any time... you're kidding yourselves.

Because Dice isn't a black hole.

[ploto]

Fans are funny. When the list of big men was posted by timvp, people said they thought Gooden would get the MLE. Now he goes to Dallas and he sucks for less than that, especially when it is a one-year deal only!

[Rogue]

man if we knew they were gettin gooden, shouldve ask them to take finleys ass back also in return for jho
Although Fin has already exceeded 35, I still believe dude can still be a nice player to pick up and his salary is quite cheap for his abilities. If Smokey got traded, for example, to the Bobcats for Okafor, then Fin would be a decent option to fill in as our starting 2 guard. Fin can no longer stay steady at a high level of productivity, but dude sometimes may give us some amazement. IMHO Fin did a pretty good job in the series this year against Mavs, it was Bonner that sucked bad and became a black hole. However, as i mentioned above, Smokey still has pretty much trade value and can be used as a decent bait for trapping a good center, obviously Fin doesn't have so much value and the Mavs don't have any interest in the expiring contracts the Spurs hold. Plus, Spurs just signed gooden with minimum level exception late in the regular season after dude got waived from Kings, say, Spurms didn't have any exception like bird rights to give gooden a bigger offer than what dude would probably receive from any other team this summer. Gooden became a full free agent right after his minimum contract expires from Spurs team, Spurs didn't have any preferance over any other team in signing gooden, then how can you use him as a trading asset for Smokey Howard? You are a noob, stop embarrassing your own team already, please.

[Strike]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!!

Umm yeah, except "you" paid Finley to help "us" win a championship.
Advantage: Spurs

[spursfan1000]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!!


Umm except for the fact we dont need Gooden and dosent fit our style of play dummass..

[Buddy Holly]

Especially if it's in the 2-3mill/yr range.

It isn't.

4.5 million.

[lefty]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!!
:lmao

2007 Finals


Duncan OWNED Gooden


LOL Mav fan

[Mark in Austin]

Still not a bad deal. He's about equal to McDyess, maybe a little less(based on last season). The thing about it is... McDyess is liable to completely fall off a cliff sometime in the near future.


:lol As opposed to Gooden, who was distracted by something shiny during the directions, took a wrong turn, and wound up at the bottom of the cliff all by himself.

[45 bank shot]

oh gooden is alright i guess. an above average player.
good for dallas

[Buddy Holly]

Still not a bad deal. He's about equal to McDyess, maybe a little less(based on last season). The thing about it is... McDyess is liable to completely fall off a cliff sometime in the near future.

Dice has been solid for a long while now. Dice's liability in terms of injury outweigh Gooden's liabilities on the offensive end.

[Spursmania]

Problem is he was never very smart. Remember how little he played the last 2 playoff games. His BB IQ is not high enough to remain under Pop's guidance.
Great guy, good offensive game-obviously, a liability defensively.

Good pick-up, but clearly, the Spurs were done with him.

[Rogue]

Dice has been solid for a long while now. Dice's liability in terms of injury outweigh Gooden's liabilities on the offensive end.
Yup, it's true that some players like Camby and Dice has been seeming to be relatively healthy in recent years compared to their early years when injuries were usual elements on their diet. But I doubt Dice would be much greater than Gooden next season even if he stayed healthy through the whole year, and the Spurs would definitely suffer much more if Dice sucks or gets injury for some reason. Gooden will be Dirk's backup, behind him there also stands several other decent power forwards like Singleton, but the Spurs would have to move Bonner back to the starting 5 when Dice isn't available for games.

[will_spurs]

I wish him all the best. He was needed, did what he was asked to do, unfortunately it didn't work out but he never ran his mouth or anything. Hopefully he will have a great time in Dallas and the short episode in silver and black will have helped him to get his career back on track.

[Rogue]

Ratliff may probably appear in the starting lineups of the Spurs team next season, for this case, Dice would also be a backup at PF spot behind Duncan. Ratliff is still a decent low-post defender despite his age and capable of blocking shots, but dude is even more crappy than Damp on the other side of the floor, then Duncan would receive constant double-team and Duncan isn't as capable as Dirk of dealing with such a strategy. So my prediction is Dice will be along with Tim in the starting five for the normal starting 5 squad, while Bonner and Ratliff may also be picked into the starting lineups in some games for the sake of offense or defense.

[Flux451]

Gooden is inconsistent. This doesn't improve Dallas much. Good luck to Gooden.

[K-State Spur]

gooden's not a bad player, but IMHO - dallas f'ed up just by adding a PF who commands minutes.

if they stick him on the end of their bench

but if they actually play him - which they probably will - it will force dirk or marion (and sometimes both) to play large a percentage of minutes out of position.

gooden's size/speed/strength combo doesn't play anywhere other than PF. dirk's obviously best used at the 4 - and marion has been far more effective playing as a slightly undersized 4 as opposed to a big wing. if you can shut down his transition game (which the spurs have never had much problem doing) - his offense becomes a liability in the half court the farther away from the hoop he gets.

[K-State Spur]

:lmao

2007 Finals


Duncan OWNED Gooden


LOL Mav fan


actually, in terms of one-on-one defense (when they were matched up, Z had a lot of time on him as well) - duncan didn't really OWN gooden.

it was more gooden's complete inability to adjust to anything else going on around him that allowed parker to drive the lane at will which was a problem.

this is a guy, who when drafted by Memphis, was asked by a reporter how it felt to be going to the land of elvis? gooden's response - "i always thought graceland was in tennessee?"

[completely deck]

Ratliff may probably appear in the starting lineups of the Spurs team next season, for this case, Dice would also be a backup at PF spot behind Duncan. Ratliff is still a decent low-post defender despite his age and capable of blocking shots, but dude is even more crappy than Damp on the other side of the floor, then Duncan would receive constant double-team and Duncan isn't as capable as Dirk of dealing with such a strategy. So my prediction is Dice will be along with Tim in the starting five for the normal starting 5 squad, while Bonner and Ratliff may also be picked into the starting lineups in some games for the sake of offense or defense.

what does this have to do with the Gooden signing?

[Findog]

Umm except for the fact we dont need Gooden and dosent fit our style of play dummass..

Sarcasm, little girl. Look into it.

[Findog]

<--- :bang (WTF???!!!)

I don't remember SA needing Drew Gooden, ESPECIALLY with the front court that we have now.... If Pop and RC didn't make it a point to pursue him-- there's a reason for that!!! :jack Dallas can have him.

Cuban is just playing 'fantasy basketball' with his roster just like Jerry Jones did with the Cowboys and look where it got Dallas!! :nope To all you Dallas fans: no need to start acting like a lady..... don't worry, you'll be back on your knees in no time! Besides... do you REALLY think that Stern is ever going to allow Cuban to be a world champion? :pimpslap


YHBT. HAND.

:lmao

[Findog]

we don't pay gooden a cent when he's left

yhbt. Hand.

[bishopospurs]

Just read this little bit of news. Gooden was an exciting pick up last year, didn't work out for us. I don't think he fits the Mavs very well, defensively he isn't going to do great in the half court. At 4.5 mil I would rather have McDyess. There is a huge difference between McDyess and Gooden, I don't even know why people bother to compare the two. Dice plays defense and rebounds. Have fun Mavs fans. Gooden had nothing but good things to say about the spurs, but then he signs with their rival after getting elimanted by them. Very Favrien.. touche Mr.Gooden....

[FromWayDowntown]

The problem with arguing that Gooden was truly effective for the Spurs in 2009 is the fact that Gregg Popovich, in the most important game of the season for his team, didn't put Drew Gooden on the floor for a single second. Gooden put up relatively good numbers (albeit with some great inconsistency), but there's can sometimes be a big difference between putting up good numbers and being an effective player.

I think the Spurs have vastly improved themselves in the front court this offseason and part of that was finding players who can be more effective than Drew Gooden. That the Spurs were relying so heavily, last year, on players who weren't even as effective as Gooden was the tell-tale that 2008-09 was a doomed season.

[urunobili]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!!

ringless bitterness?

[dickface]

ringless bitterness?

Are all Spurs fans so fucking stupid they can't understand some pretty obvious sarcasm?

[urunobili]

Good addition for Dallas... Gooden has corporate knowledge of the Spurs system... perfect Mav...

[Findog]

Are all Spurs fans so fucking stupid they can't understand some pretty obvious sarcasm?

That's like literally the 10th person to take the bait.

[dude1394]

The problem with arguing that Gooden was truly effective for the Spurs in 2009 is the fact that Gregg Popovich, in the most important game of the season for his team, didn't put Drew Gooden on the floor for a single second. Gooden put up relatively good numbers (albeit with some great inconsistency), but there's can sometimes be a big difference between putting up good numbers and being an effective player.

I think the Spurs have vastly improved themselves in the front court this offseason and part of that was finding players who can be more effective than Drew Gooden. That the Spurs were relying so heavily, last year, on players who weren't even as effective as Gooden was the tell-tale that 2008-09 was a doomed season.

I'm not sure that many coaches would necessarily put in a guy they picked up at the last minute in a game that was the most important of the year. Coaches are funny that way, they like their guys to not be tentative and to know their assignments. And no matter what anyone says, it's not easy to come to a new team in March and be ready to play in critical games. Let's remember that Pops DID play Bonner 20mpg and he sucked it pretty big time. So it appears that pops wanted some more outside shooting to offset what Parker was having to do.

[bigfan]

1 year, 4.5 million.

[dude1394]

1 year, 4.5 million.

So this means that next year (or at the trading deadline) the mavs will have the expiring 15million or so for dampier and 4.5million for gooden. Might be a good time to revamp that center position.

[howbouthemspurs]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!!



Haha you compared finley to gooden!!!! HAHAHAHA!! you idiot!!!:lol:downspin::rollin:rollin:blah:p:

[ShoogarBear]

Are you saying Finley put you over the top in 2007? That there weren't literally 60 other dudes who could've averaged 7 points a game for you guys?

Not that would average 7 points a game while Mark Cuban was paying him $10 million.

[anakha]

Haha you compared finley to gooden!!!! HAHAHAHA!! you idiot!!!:lol:downspin::rollin:rollin:blah:p:

Oh, dear Lord. :lmao

I wasn't expecting all these people to go for that bait. GJ, Findog.

[ShoogarBear]

Oh, dear Lord. :lmao

I wasn't expecting all these people to go for that bait. GJ, Findog.

Embarrassing, isn't it?

Hey, Findog, weren't you supposed to be quitting forever or something?

[DPG21920]

Pretty good signing, definitely the best option left.

[Findog]

Embarrassing, isn't it?

Hey, Findog, weren't you supposed to be quitting forever or something?

No, I never made any kind of proclamation like that.

[ShoogarBear]

No, I never made any kind of proclamation like that.

Eh, I took a shot. :lol

[Durant82]

Nope. I have a real life.
And apparently that life includes answering to the name "fagbait".

[Ignignokt]

For Mono to get on to Buddy Holly's black fetish, he sure has alot of Non Nba Blackmen in his avatar.

I mean he's the one that actually thought of black men when he read the word butt plug.

Real gay stuff.

[dickface]

For Mono to get on to Buddy Holly's black fetish

I didn't know he had one. As far as I know, he only expressed his anal penetration fetish.

[dude1394]

I haven't watched Gooden very much but did watch Bass a lot. Bass has a very nice jumper and is very aggressive going for a dunk. But he has almost no post moves at all. So I was comparing Bass/Gooden on 82games.net and wondered if I could get a comment on these stats. I'm looking at where they got their shots and efg%. Are my assumptions correct, that gooden has a much more polished post-up game, but not an automatic jumper? That might be why pops wanted to let him go, duncan is going to get those post-up minutes.

For the mavs he'll get the post-up minutes that dampier (or bass) can do anything with.



I was looking at the 82games stats for gooden/bass and something really jumped out at me when comparing their close up work. Brandon is a better jump shooter but gooden seems to have much,much better post moves.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08DAL13.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/08SAS16.HTM


Close - Bass - 23% taken, efg% 38%, blocked 29%
Close - Gooden - 32% taken, efg% 67%, blocked 9%.
Dunks - Bass - 16% taken, efg% 90%, blocked 4%
Dunks - Gooden - 5% taken, efg% 100%, blocked 0%.
Inside - Bass - 41% taken, efg% 57%, blocked 18%
Inside - Gooden - 42% taken, efg% 64%, blocked 7%.

He appears to be a much better post player than brandon. Brandon was a very good spot-up shooter but lacked any cleverness around the basket. No hook shot at all for example, he needs one.

[Knoxxx]

I didn't know he had one. As far as I know, he only expressed his anal penetration fetish.

Come on man, this has gone on all night and you're fucking the thread up. What does this have to do with making fun of the Mavs for getting the Gooden booby prize and/or wishing Drew well other than when he plays against us?

[EricB]

Pretty much IMO a swap of Bass for Gooden.

Gooden is the better player however. Nice move.

[dirk4mvp]

Findawg regulated this thread with one post.


:tu

[loveforthegame]

I would love to see Gooden beat Dampier for the starting job. Damp guards Duncan pretty well so if he's out of the picture it's all good.

Gooden won't give the Spurs fits like Bass did. Gads, he was a handful.

Having said that I think it's a solid signing for the Mavs. A bit overpaid but it's for only 1 year. He gives them a legit low post option on offense. Defense is a whole other matter though.

[superbigtime]

I wish gooden wasn't going to the Mavs because now he's prime hate material. But that should be no problem for lots of people on ST.

[Thompson]

I was wondering if the 1 year deal might actually be a bad thing for Dallas; my understanding is a team gets 1 MLE to use every year. For example, we signed McDyess to a 3 year MLE deal this year, but we'll get to use another MLE deal next summer if we want to. Since Dallas only signed Gooden to a 1 year deal, if he performs well or at least decently, in order to keep him they'd probably have to use next years' MLE, instead of being able to use an MLE deal on someone else if they'd signed Gooden to a 2 or 3 year deal.

And I glanced at the Mavs' salaries in 2010; even if they let Gooden and Dampier expire, they'd be around $60 million in salary (Hoopshype shows a salary of $58 million including Dampier's $13, but not including Marion and Kidd's combined $16 million cost http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm). If you subtract Dampier's deal and add in Kidd's and Marion's deals, it comes out to around $60 million, which I believe is already over the cap. This is where not having the extra MLE to use on someone besides Gooden could hurt, especially since they might be losing Dampier in this scenario as well.

It has been mentioned that Dirk might opt out and take a pay cut to help them out, but it would have to be pretty massive to get under the cap and to add anyone of value, especially with the salary cap estimated to drop to around $53 million or less (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4312837).

Can Dampier's expiring contract (assuming he doesn't meet the 30 minute game average) be traded after this next season, or would it expire as soon as the season's over with?

[Bruno]

Since Dallas only signed Gooden to a 1 year deal, if he performs well or at least decently, in order to keep him they'd probably have to use next years' MLE, instead of being able to use an MLE deal on someone else if they'd signed Gooden to a 2 or 3 year deal.


No, they could re-sign with the non-bird exception to a MLE like deal.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19

[Thompson]

No, they could re-sign with the non-bird exception to a MLE like deal.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19

My gosh this gets complicated. Thanks for the link.

[Rogue]

Not that would average 7 points a game while Mark Cuban was paying him $10 million.
Dude is certainly underrated, Damp attended 80 games last season averaging nearly 6 points per game along with over 7 rebounds per night in relatively limited time, which was only slightly over 20 minutes. If Gortat can drop 12pts y 14 boards per game when given 30 minutes per night, then I'm pretty confident Damp would also reap double-doubles night in and night out if dude also got 30+ minutes. Damp is obviously an above-average center, his salary is a little bit exaggerated but dude isn't a very terrible player, I mean at least, dude can still play games unlike someone else that will take almost 15m dollars from his team next season without playing even one minute of time.

[SpurCharger]

I wish Gooden The Best....... but You Guys Can have Him...... He didnt play in crunch time Situations for A Reason...... Honestly He is One of the worst Defenders for A Big Man that I have seen...... I still know we Got the better of the deal.... Mavs Fans Act like They Stole Gooden From us, Lol..... He was Our Leftovers, We didnt want him.... we have a full roster already.... Plus Just remember, we did Steal Finley From You Guys, And Finley Got A Ring...... Do The Mavs Have any of those??? Gooden, Should Fit right in with Dirk.... 2 Big men who cant defend to save there Lives..... Good Luck with Gooden

[Ghazi]

^ what a shitty post.

[ashbeeigh]

I'm not reading all this thread but I just want to throw out my two cents..."bullshit."

[SpurCharger]

Shitty, to Mavs Fans....... But The Truth.......

[dude1394]

I wish Gooden The Best....... but You Guys Can have Him...... He didnt play in crunch time Situations for A Reason...... Honestly He is One of the worst Defenders for A Big Man that I have seen...... I still know we Got the better of the deal.... Mavs Fans Act like They Stole Gooden From us, Lol..... He was Our Leftovers, We didnt want him.... we have a full roster already.... Plus Just remember, we did Steal Finley From You Guys, And Finley Got A Ring...... Do The Mavs Have any of those??? Gooden, Should Fit right in with Dirk.... 2 Big men who cant defend to save there Lives..... Good Luck with Gooden

Yea that big guy who can't defend took someone out last year however.

[afireinside20]

How convenient leaving off the best PF in the universe.

Tim Duncan doesn't play for the Mavs! :flag:

[Dex]

I've already said why I think this is a decent move for Dallas, but I still can't help but :lol at Mav Fan who is talking smack now because of Drew freaking Gooden.

We know you're happy your team did SOMETHING, but this isn't like the second coming of the Pau Gasol coup or anything. And the Spurs found that out quick.

[Findog]

^ what a shitty post.

Yeah, give the fucking ellipses a rest.

[scottspurs]

No basketball knowledge, just perfect for the Mavericks.

[angelbelow]

Mavericks are offensive juggernauts again.

[Brazil]

17 pages for Gooden playing for the mavs ???

[duncan228]

17 pages for Gooden playing for the mavs ???

:lol Anything Spurs/Mavs is guaranteed a good run on ST.

[skinsfan1]

Good luck drew, thanks for playin'

[Pistons < Spurs]

from his twitter account:


DrewGooden Spur's really didn't contact me during free agency. Wanted to let Spur's fans know that


and now you know!

[Donnie Hathaway]

from his twitter account:




and now you know!

Just read that on his Twitter. If Pop felt Gooden wasnt an important asset to the team then im going to have to back Coach Pops' Genius

[raspsa]

Well Cuban finally signed his bald-headed Big..LOL.. seriously thoug, I wish Gooden the best and hope that Cuban is overpaying him.

[freemeat]

:flag:BLAIR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gooden

Thank you!

Finally someone said it: the '09-10 team is ALREADY better than the '08-09 team.

They may not win a ring this year, but they're gonna be fucking fun to watch every game of the entire season and post-season. And Gooden wasn't in the plans to be on the roster, anyway, because they're bringing in new talent and paying hefty for it. If we signed Gooden now, he'd cost twice as much in taxes. The plan -- it seems to me -- was to go all-out in Duncan's last few years. But why pay $11 mil/season for an offensive-minded PF while we need defense, blocks and rebounding when you can get a guy for the rookie's salary who rebounds and plays defense?

[GSH]

All teams have fans who do that.

Personally, I never really warmed up to Gooden. I'm actually surprised it took as long as it did for Pop to sour on him.

How long did it really take? A week? Two? That's the one thing about the Gooden episode that I find really disturbing, because I remember all the comments at the time they signed him. There shouldn't have been any surprises about who he was, before or after he came here. If R.C. and Pop were that badly fooled, it was a monumental screw-up.

Remember this story?

Popovich spoke at length with Gooden during the courtship process that followed his release by the Kings.

“Pop and Drew had some great conversations through this whole process, from both perspectives,” Buford said. “The feedback I got is that they both felt really comfortable with each other.”

Popovich told Gooden the Spurs not only wanted him on their roster, they needed him to have their best shot at winning another championship.

“It was knowing there is want for me here,” Gooden said of his talks with his new head coach. “Not just ‘We’re glad you’re here.’ It was more like, ‘We need you here, and not just for this season.’

“Hearing that was something I was looking for. It wasn’t just, ‘Help us try to win a championship this year and then we’ll see what happens in the summer.’”

[K-State Spur]

If R.C. and Pop were that badly fooled, it was a monumental screw-up.
[/I]

What? It was a ZERO risk maneuver, it's not like we chose him over Chris Bosh.

It didn't work out, a lot of us didn't think it was going to. But it didn't cost the Spurs anything (outside of Holt's pocketbook) - so it's hardly a monumental screw-up.

[CubanMustGo]

Gooden didn't fit the model here but I think it's a decent signing for the Mavs - nobody expects Gooden to be the next Hakeem Olajuwon. Not sure why all the angst between a few butt-hurt Spurs fans (who probably have no clue why they are butt-hurt in the first place) and the Mav fan contingent, but as d228 said, you expect nothing else when something comes up that concerns both teams.

[hater]

hahaha

Cuban looking in trashcans in the alleys of the Riverwalk.
Dallas enjoy our leftovers :lol

[urunobili]

I'm actually scared of this move... :wakeup

[Spursone]

Good riddance, no pun intended!

:downspin:

[SpurCharger]

I'm actually scared of this move... :wakeup

Why??? gooden Plays Defense Like Dirk....... Duncan Scorched Gooden in 2007 when he was on the Cavs..... he will Do it again........

[41times]

Any height difference is made up with Bass' better basketball IQ.

But because Orlando F#cked us on the Gortat deal, we had to have a back up center so Gooden is it. He can play back up center and PF. Not bad for 4.5 mllion vs. what Bass got in Orlando. Upgrade? not really. But we needed a back up center.

[urunobili]

Gooden > Gortat

[Dingle Barry]

Gooden > Gortat

Unless you're into that whole defense thing.

[bigdog]

Gooden is an upgrade over Bass. Now, your Center situation is fucked up :lol but Gooden might be able to play a little Center. He doesn't have the defense to be a starter at Center, though.