Gooden to Dallas

[El_Mago]

http://twitter.com/DrewGooden

Twitter. Going to Dallas.

[Shastafarian]

Full MLE? Let's hope so.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Well, that's no surprise. Cuban loves sloppy seconds.

Mavs are going to score a lot of points next year, but they'll have trouble holding anyone under 105.

[Knoxxx]

Awesome. Their payroll will be horrific, Cubes probably forked over the whole MLE! This will be wonderful fodder when they still flop, what are they gonna pay about $30 million luxury tax?

(Good luck to Drew though, except of course against us)

[Udokafan05]

I thought he was better than Gortat anyway.

[JamStone]

Going to Dallas for vacation?

That's the thing about these twitter things... makes for a shitty source for news. I hate those shits.

[Knoxxx]

I thought he was better than Gortat anyway.

Might well be the case, but where does he fit? I didn't know you frequented ST Ime!?!

[completely deck]

shitty shits.

shit

[El_Mago]

Um, no.

Twitter is actually beating media to the punch.

I am sure it is not full MLE....too much for GOODEN, but he's a nice player.

Dallas will be no joke this season.

[MRduncan2010]

Weakest front line in the NBA Dirk ,dampier ,Gooden,Ryan hollins, James singleton

[Shastafarian]

Um, no.

Twitter is actually beating media to the punch.

I am sure it is not full MLE....too much for GOODEN, but he's a nice player.

Dallas will be no joke this season.

I wasn't being serious. If they used the full MLE on Gooden Donnie deserves some kind of Spurs Award.

[Knoxxx]

Weakest front line in the NBA Dirk ,dampier ,Gooden,Ryan hollins, James singleton

I hope you are right, although Hollins gave an ailing TD some trouble last playoffs, which was painful to see.

[Thompson]

How does Gooden compare to Bass? Aren't they pretty close (Gooden is taller, but production-wise)?

[MRduncan2010]

:flag:BLAIR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gooden

[Pistons < Spurs]

Going to Dallas for vacation?

That's the thing about these twitter things... makes for a shitty source for news. I hate those shits.

When it comes from the player like this, I think it's a far better source than the typical speculation and rumor stories from sport sites and newspapers we pore over everyday.

[Ghazi]

"meh"

[Spursfan092120]

When it comes from the player like this, I think it's a far better source than the typical speculation and rumor stories from sport sites and newspapers we pore over everyday.
Yeah..I agree...Gooden seems like a real stand up kind of guy nowadays..he's no Artest..he's not gonna mess with the minds of his fans.

[Cry Havoc]

Good move by Dallas. Gooden is a solid player and is extremely underrated.

[dirk4mvp]

Slightly better than Singleton and about equal to Bass as an option for backing up Dirk I guess.

[Brutalis]

I think it is good for the Mavs, but will be ineffective against the Spurs.

[bigdog]

Nice pickup for Dallas, even though this is the place I least wanted him to end up.

[Spursmania]

Cuban loves sloppy seconds. :lol

But Gooden is a good pick-up.

[timvp]

$3 million per year or less would be pretty damn good for the Mavs.

[crc21209]

Ehh...good pickup for Dallas for the offensive side, not the defensive side.

[PURO SAN ANTO 210!]

Fuck the lil ponie's!!!!!!!!

[Findog]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!!

[completely deck]

Good guy.

Does this mean Dallas' heart was set on Odom or Gortat?

[Libri]

Blair vs Gooden

[Phenomanul]

I'll miss the guy... just sucks he'll be playing for cubes...

[Findog]

Good guy.

Does this mean Dallas' heart was set on Odom or Gortat?

We never had a shot at Odom. Donnie and Mark got their little hearts broken when Otis matched Gortat.

[completely deck]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!!

ahaha your big guys are Dampier, Gooden, Ryan Hollins, and James Singleton :lmao

[Knoxxx]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????

You steal Finley from us, we take Gooden off your hands. Turnabout is fair play bitches!!!!

Actually this is our revenge for dumping Finley on us! Gooden has yet to make a team better. Hehehe...

[Findog]

ahaha your big guys are Dampier, Gooden, Ryan Hollins, and James Singleton :lmao

I was being sarcastic. I doubt there were minutes available for Gooden in San Antonio after the McDyess signing.

[Ghazi]

ahaha your big guys are Dampier, Gooden, Ryan Hollins, and James Singleton :lmao

How convenient leaving off the best PF in the universe.

[MRduncan2010]

:lolFinley gave us CHAMPIONSHIP Gooden wont do sh!!!!!!!!!

[BUMP]

Hell yeah!

[Findog]

Actually this is our revenge for dumping Finley on us! Hehehe...

We'll give you Bruce Bowen 2.0 for Manu:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/quinton_ross/index.html

[Shastafarian]

How convenient leaving off the best PF in the universe.

Nathan Jawai?

[Findog]

:lolFinley gave us CHAMPIONSHIP Gooden wont do sh!!!!!!!!!

Are you saying Finley put you over the top in 2007? That there weren't literally 60 other dudes who could've averaged 7 points a game for you guys?

[ElNono]

Gooden is a hardworking guy and looks like a good teammate.
Wish him the best.

[Knoxxx]

Hell yeah!

What the hell, I suppose it ain't a party til a big fat nuggets fan appears!

[Spurs_210]

How convenient leaving off the best PF in the universe.
Tim Duncan isn't with Dallas..

[completely deck]

I was being sarcastic. I doubt there were minutes available for Gooden in San Antonio after the McDyess signing.

I caught that a second after I posted it :(


How convenient leaving off the best PF in the universe.

You're being sarcastic like him right? :downspin:

[ElNono]

Are you saying Finley put you over the top in 2007? That there weren't literally 60 other dudes who could've averaged 7 points a game for you guys?

That Pop had a man-crush on? Nope

[MRduncan2010]

BEST PF Dirk???????Zero:lobt2:DUNCAN Four:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

[peskypesky]

Good move by Dallas. Gooden is a solid player and is extremely underrated.

i agree

[DesignatedT]

How convenient leaving off the best PF in the universe.

wow. i hope this is a joke.

[timvp]

Ahhh. It feels good to be able to go back to hating Gooden again. Gooden on the Spurs was like a mean joke by the basketball gods. His play is about as anti-Spur as humanly possible.

Good guy. Produced at Tim Duncan like levels statistically. Never complained. But I will certainly not miss him going 1-on-5 offensively and having no clue what to do defensively.

Late.

[DubMcDub]

I absolutely hate Gooden, but some of you folks sure are changing your tone from when the Spurs signed him and you were saying he could help you make a playoff run against the Lakers.

[Knoxxx]

I absolutely hate Gooden, but some of you folks sure are changing your tone from when the Spurs signed him and you were saying he could help you make a playoff run against the Lakers.

Yeah, that was before we saw him play on our team!

[Knoxxx]

Produced at Tim Duncan like levels statistically.

What the hell you smoking! Pass it over hear it must be some good shit!

[MRduncan2010]

That was before we new HE was a defensive mental RETARD

[ElNono]

I absolutely hate Gooden, but some of you folks sure are changing your tone from when the Spurs signed him and you were saying he could help you make a playoff run against the Lakers.

Considering he was supposed to take over Bonner minutes, everybody thought he would look like Wilt Chamberlain. Ultimately, expectations came back to earth and Pop didn't use him much at all in the playoffs.

[Shank]

Underwhelming.

[DubMcDub]

Yeah, that was before we saw him play on our team!

Uh, no it wasn't, unless you don't watch any regular season games (which wouldn't surprise me). People were saying that stuff 2 days before the playoffs started.

[FvckMavs]

$3 million per year or less would be pretty damn good for the Mavs.

"Sources with knowledge of the deal told ESPN.com that Gooden is receiving a one-year deal for $4.5 million with incentives that will likely take it beyond $5 million by season's end. A formal announcement is expected Monday or Tuesday."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4356529

[timvp]

What the hell you smoking! Pass it over hear it must be some good shit!

Gooden scored more points per minute with the Spurs than Duncan did last year.

[Shastafarian]

"Sources with knowledge of the deal told ESPN.com that Gooden is receiving a one-year deal for $4.5 million with incentives that will likely take it beyond $5 million by season's end. A formal announcement is expected Monday or Tuesday."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4356529

Hilarious

[ElNono]

Don't tell me Cubes overpaid again... :lol

[DubMcDub]

Frankly, from a practical standpoint, it doesn't really matter whether it's for the full MLE, 4.5 mil, or 3 mil. The Mavs wren't gonna get another contributing player at this point with half (or less) of the MLE. The only reason it matters is in principle, in that it represents yet another instance of Cuban and Donnie overpaying for someone.

[Ghazi]

That's kinda expensive for Gooden. Although we still have the Bi-Annual to maybe acquire a guy like McCants/Wafer and still the expiring contracts.

Sooo... its whatevaa

[Spursfan092120]

What the hell, I suppose it ain't a party til a big fat nuggets fan appears!
If you really think Bumpy is a Nuggets fan, you haven't been here very long. :)

[timvp]

I absolutely hate Gooden, but some of you folks sure are changing your tone from when the Spurs signed him and you were saying he could help you make a playoff run against the Lakers.

All teams have fans who do that.

Personally, I never really warmed up to Gooden. I'm actually surprised it took as long as it did for Pop to sour on him.

[MRduncan2010]

Uh, no it wasn't, unless you don't watch any regular season games (which wouldn't surprise me). People were saying that stuff 2 days before the playoffs started.
:wgaf:Without manu we all knew we were going to struggle

[Knoxxx]

With Gooden you get a nice guy who can score in the low post and is a decent rebounder. However, his weaknesses make him an average player at best. He's not much of a defender, does not block shots, and can't pass worth a crap. I think that pretty much covers Drew Gooden's game.

[DubMcDub]

All teams have fans who do that.

Of course that's true, but I never stated or implied otherwise, I don't think.

[ElNono]

I thnk they're trying to save face after the Gortat incident.
What you wanna bet Donnie comes out tomorrow singing 'This is the guy we really wanted all along'...

[timvp]

"Sources with knowledge of the deal told ESPN.com that Gooden is receiving a one-year deal for $4.5 million with incentives that will likely take it beyond $5 million by season's end. A formal announcement is expected Monday or Tuesday."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4356529

Yeah, that doesn't make this much of a deal for the Mavs. Although only being tied to him for one year is good. Plus the incentives will likely have him locked in for most of the season.

But if the Mavs are smart, they'd tie his incentives to his rebounding. If they tied it to scoring, he'd likely never pass again :lol

[Ghazi]

I thnk they're trying to save face after the Gortat incident.
What you wanna bet Donnie comes out tomorrow singing 'This is the guy we really wanted all along'...

$10,000 he doesn't bitch.

[Knoxxx]

That's kinda expensive for Gooden.

Exactly why we had to drop his ass. Now it is our turn to kick your ass in the playoffs while he rides the pine on your bench.

[ElNono]

$10,000 he doesn't bitch.

I don't know that I have that much vbookie cash, but I would bet you...
:lol

[Knoxxx]

I thnk they're trying to save face after the Gortat incident.
What you wanna bet Donnie comes out tomorrow singing 'This is the guy we really wanted all along'...

He sure as hell was not worth the $10 million he's gonna cost. Dumb and dumber = Donnie and Cuban.

[MRduncan2010]

:convertib We all knew that DREW was just a cheapass rental

[Findog]

He sure as hell was not worth the $10 million he's gonna cost. Dumb and dumber = Donnie and Cuban.

$4.5 million of the MLE for 1 year. The Mavs will pay no luxury tax on Gooden's salary. What is this $10 million you're talking about?

[Knoxxx]

Is there any knowledgeable Spurs fan that wanted him back? And if so why? Implicit in this analysis is that someone would be willing to step up and fork over $4-5 million for Drew, which we would not do. Notice I did not say "dumb enough", although is implied too. I can never resist taking a shot at Cubus (Cuban + Dufus). Has any owner gotten less return on their NBA dollar than that idiot?

[MRduncan2010]

Is there any knowledgeable Spurs fan that wanted him back? And if so why? Implicit in this analysis is that someone would be willing to step up and fork over $4-5 million for Drew, which we would not do. Notice I did not say "dumb enough", although is implied too. I can never resist taking a shot at Cubus (Cuban + Dufus). Has any owner gotten less return on their NBA dollar than that idiot?
Dampier:lol J-kidd:lol

[ohmwrecker]

Gooden to Dallas? . . . soft, can't defend, kind of a douche . . . yep, sounds about right.

[angelbelow]

damn it

[Mel_13]

$4.5 million of the MLE for 1 year. The Mavs will pay no luxury tax on Gooden's salary. What is this $10 million you're talking about?

They will pay lux tax on all of his salary.

[Ghazi]

Gooden to Dallas? . . . soft, can't defend, kind of a douche . . . yep, sounds about right.

This thread isn't about Richard Jefferson.

[Knoxxx]

Thanks Mel. The MLE allows you to sign a player but the salary still counts against the LT. We went through this extensively with the signing of Dice.

[dickface]

Underwhelming.

I don't get this attitude at all coming from some Mavs fans. So you're happy with the Mavs being willing to guarantee an assload of money & years to an unproven foreign center who in his best year averaged 4/4 for the season......but a guy who is an experienced, career 12/8 player that signed a very risk free deal is "underwhelming"?

[Buddy Holly]

This thread isn't about Richard Jefferson.

lol

Jefferson is Bowen and Ben Wallace circa 2004 rolled into one compared to Gooden. :lol

[dickface]

lol

Jefferson is Bowen and Ben Wallace circa 2004 rolled into one compared to Gooden. :lol

rofl I'd love to know what your opinion of Richard Jefferson was a year ago.

[Knoxxx]

I think these Mav fans are smart enough to know we cast him off for a reason. There is some strong 12/8-type players of which Gooden is not. That was the tease, looks good on paper, not so much on the court.

When we finally get some updated salary info, it will be worth a thread just to make fun of the Mavs payroll. They must be sitting around $90 million now, highest in the league unless the Lakes sign Odom.

Edit: Gooden's stats were about equal with Odom's. Who would you rather have I rest my case.

[Buddy Holly]

rofl I'd love to know what your opinion of Richard Jefferson was a year ago.

It's the same opinion I have of him now. A really good player. I would have loved him on this team a year ago and was hoping the Spurs trying to trade for him at the deadline rumor was true.

My comment that you quoted is pretty straight forward however exaggerated it was. Gooden's defense is terrible.

[dickface]

I think these Mav fans are smart enough to know we cast him off for a reason. There is some strong 12/8-type players of which Gooden is not. That was the tease, looks good on paper, not so much on the court.

I don't think Mavs fans are expecting him to perform miracles. Just be a serviceable backup big man. Which he's more than capable of doing.

[Ghazi]

The fuck does it matter to you how my man Cubes spends his $? Dude wipes his ass with $90 million!

[dickface]

Edit: Gooden's stats were about equal with Odom's. Who would you rather have I rest my case.

Obviously if the Mavs thought they still had a chance to get Odom, they would have kept at that. Odom wasn't coming to Dallas, so they got the next best available big man.

[Knoxxx]

The fuck does it matter to you how my man Cubes spends his $? Dude wipes his ass with $90 million!

Because no matter how hard he tries he can't buy a title, which he obviously wants more than anything in the world. It's entertaining to see him continue to fuck up over and over. And he dissed the Riverwalk!

[dickface]

And he dissed the Riverwalk!

Who doesn't?

[Knoxxx]

Obviously if the Mavs thought they still had a chance to get Odom, they would have kept at that. Odom wasn't coming to Dallas, so they got the next best available big man.

Just saying there is a huge gap between those two 12/8 guys. Lakers were about to fork over $10 million per season for Odom and still might! That's $20 million in LT dollars, and still may happen.

[Findog]

They will pay lux tax on all of his salary.

Explain to me how the MLE gets taxed.

[Knoxxx]

Who doesn't?

That's sacreligous! Quick mods pink this crazy Sonics fan!

Hell I would be ornery too if I was pulling for the Sonics, OMFG. :wow

[Knoxxx]

Explain to me how the MLE gets taxed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap

Your welcome.

[Findog]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap

Your welcome.


A team is allowed to sign one player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception (MLE). The MLE may be used on an individual free agent or split among multiple free agents, and is available to any team that exceeds the salary cap at the beginning of the offseason. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2008-09 NBA season was $5.585 million.[5] The MLE is $5.854 million for the 2009-10 NBA regular season.[6]
An example would be the Toronto Raptors' acquisition of Jason Kapono during the 2007 off-season.

Explain to me how the MLE counts toward the luxury tax. It's always been my understanding a team can use the MLE if they're over the cap and it doesn't count towards the luxury tax.

[Buddy Holly]

Explain to me how the MLE gets taxed.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Findog]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

It's always been my understanding the MLE doesn't count toward the luxury tax.

[Buddy Holly]

Explain to me how the MLE counts toward the luxury tax. It's always been my understanding a team can use the MLE if they're over the cap and it doesn't count towards the luxury tax.

If you're over the lux tax threshold EVERYTHING is taxed. Every last cent in team salaries is taxed. The MLE does not have any immunity against it.

[Knoxxx]

It's pretty simple, the MLE gets doubled if you are over the cap, keep hunting that page and you'll find it.

[Buddy Holly]

It's always been my understanding the MLE doesn't count toward the luxury tax.

No.

[FvckMavs]

It's always been my understanding the MLE doesn't count toward the luxury tax.

:lol:lol

[dude1394]

The mavs needed a mobile "center". Gortat would have been that but one gone, he's gone. Dampier is our defensive center against duncan and he's played him as well as can be expected. But his lack of mobility was killing us against a nene for example.

I don't know that much about gooden, but bass certainly was NOT a good defensive small center. Looks like a pretty good replacement for bass to me.

[Findog]

If you're over the lux tax threshold EVERYTHING is taxed. Every last cent in team salaries is taxed. The MLE does not have any immunity against it.

So you only pay tax on the MLE if it puts you over the luxury tax threshold, not if you simply exceed the soft cap limits?

[HarlemHeat37]

So they basically just replaced Brandon Bass with a slightly worse player in Gooden..not a horrible signing, but doesn't make a big difference..they really need some defensive pieces, they should be moving Dampier by the deadline IMO..

[dickface]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Yeah what Findog said was almost as funny as someone posting on an NSYNC message board.

[Buddy Holly]

I don't know that much about gooden, but bass certainly was NOT a good defensive small center. Looks like a pretty good replacement for bass to me.

Yeah you don't know much about Gooden because neither is he.

Bass > Gooden for simply having a better basketball IQ.

Your going to pull your hair out when Gooden because a black hole in the paint and puts up some really stupid shots.

[dickface]

So they basically just replaced Brandon Bass with a slightly worse player in Gooden

slightly worse? they're the exact same player. decent midrange shooter, black hole on offense, decent athletes, weak defenders, dumb as a brick. Except Gooden is about 3 inches taller and can rebound.

if anything, this is a slight upgrade over Bass.

[Knoxxx]

So you only pay tax on the MLE if it puts you over the luxury tax threshold, not if you simply exceed the soft cap limits?

I think all the Mavs fans on here need to study this effin page and get the answers since I have been kind enough to find the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap

[Buddy Holly]

Yeah what Findog said was almost as funny as someone posting on an NSYNC message board.

Probably but doesn't change the fact that:

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[dickface]

Bass > Gooden for simply having a better basketball IQ.

Your going to pull your hair out when Gooden because a black hole in the paint and puts up some really stupid shots.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Buddy Holly]

slightly worse? they're the exact same player. decent midrange shooter, black hole on offense, decent athletes, weak defenders, dumb as a brick. Except Gooden is about 3 inches taller and can rebound.

if anything, this is a slight upgrade over Bass.

Any height difference is made up with Bass' better basketball IQ.

[dickface]

that was an exact description of Brandon Bass.

[dickface]

Any height difference is made up with Bass' better basketball IQ.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Buddy Holly]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

:wow

[Buddy Holly]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

:wow

[Findog]

So they basically just replaced Brandon Bass with a slightly worse player in Gooden..not a horrible signing, but doesn't make a big difference..they really need some defensive pieces, they should be moving Dampier by the deadline IMO..

Dampier is only moving before next summer if they find a replacement for him. That's why Gortat was going to be huge for us - not so much that we were getting the next Wilt Chamberlain, but it meant we could move Dampier now instead of next summer. His expirer is very valuable to any team looking to dump salary and create cap space.

[dude1394]

Yeah you don't know much about Gooden because neither is he.

Bass > Gooden for simply having a better basketball IQ.

Your going to pull your hair out when Gooden because a black hole in the paint and puts up some really stupid shots.

Bass was a tremedously black hole on offense. No handles at all. I did NOT see much bbiq from bass at all.

[ohmwrecker]

I think all the Mavs fans on here need to study this effin page and get the answers since I have been kind enough to find the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap

Maybe Mark Cuban should read up a little, too.

[Ghazi]

Any height difference is made up with Bass' better basketball IQ.

Bass doesn't have good bball IQ.

[Knoxxx]

I don't know that much about gooden, but bass certainly was NOT a good defensive small center. Looks like a pretty good replacement for bass to me.

I don't know that much about Bass, but Gooden certainly was NOT a good defensive center or power forward. Looks like a pretty good Spurs roster dump onto the Mavs to me.

[Buddy Holly]

So you only pay tax on the MLE if it puts you over the luxury tax threshold, not if you simply exceed the soft cap limits?

Once your over the tax line everything is doubled. All salaries are doubled because of taxes. Doesn't matter if the MLE got you over the line or you were already over the line before using the MLE.

[Findog]

I think all the Mavs fans on here need to study this effin page and get the answers since I have been kind enough to find the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap

It was a small technical point. You can drop the patronizing attitude.

[Buddy Holly]

Bass doesn't have good bball IQ.

I've seen Bass play and I've seen Gooden play.

IQ versus IQ.

Bass > Gooden.

We'll be here when you figure that out after a few games.

[Unforgivable]

Yeah what Findog said was almost as funny as someone posting on an NSYNC message board.


who posts on an NSYNC message board :lol

[Buddy Holly]

who posts on an NSYNC message board :lol

Dickface with the handle switch. :lol

[dickface]

Again, this is the "DeSagana Diop Chamberlain" complex coming out in Spurs fans. Just because Brandon Bass curbstomped your team a few times in the past year doesn't mean he should get voted into the HoF tomorrow.

[Unforgivable]

Dickface with the handle switch. :lol


This isn't Dickface moron.

[Findog]

Once your over the tax line everything is doubled. All salaries are doubled because of taxes. Doesn't matter if the MLE got you over the line or you were already over the line before using the MLE.

My understanding is that if you're $5 million over the luxury tax threshold, you pay $10 million in luxury tax. So the salary cap is around $60 million and the luxury tax line is $69 million. So at $65 million, you're over the cap but not in luxury tax territory. If your payroll is $72 million and the lux tax line is $69 million, you pay $6 million in luxury tax payment. Correct?

[Buddy Holly]

This isn't Dickface moron.

Right. :wakeup

[Findog]

I've seen Bass play and I've seen Gooden play.

IQ versus IQ.

Bass > Gooden.

We'll be here when you figure that out after a few games.

I'd rather have Bass for the youth and upside, but don't tell me the Mavs are going to be demonstrably worse off next year with Gooden filling the 15-20 mpg role that Bass did as the third big in our big rotation.

[dickface]

Right. :wakeup

We're only both logged on at the exact same time, posting at the exact same time. No, you're right, it's only one person.

So what's Lance Bass up to these days?

[Unforgivable]

Right. :wakeup


You're really stupid. This isn't even a Mavs fan.

[Buddy Holly]

My understanding is that if you're $5 million over the luxury tax threshold, you pay $10 million in luxury tax. So the salary cap is around $60 million and the luxury tax line is $69 million. So at $65 million, you're over the cap but not in luxury tax territory. If your payroll is $72 million and the lux tax line is $69 million, you pay $6 million in luxury tax payment. Correct?

Yes, all salaries taken in are doubled.

What you were saying is that the MLE was exempt, it isn't.

[Buddy Holly]

You're really stupid. This isn't even a Mavs fan.

Shhh... neither is your Dickface handle.

[thOOdee]

How you like us now, you motherfuckers?????



You stay classy, San Diego. I'm Ron Burgundy?

[Knoxxx]

It was a small technical point. You can drop the patronizing attitude.

OK I will fess up. I am pretty sure the answer you seek was not addressed on that lengthy web page, although it damn well should have been. My objective was to get as many uninformed (is there another kind?) Mavs fans as possible scouring that page for something that was not there. Hopefully I succeeded and I got many laughs in the process imagining that happening. It was a small measure of revenge. Is that patronizing?

[Buddy Holly]

We're only both logged on at the exact same time, posting at the exact same time. No, you're right, it's only one person.

Yeah, something that could never been down on the same computer. Ever. :lmao


So what's Lance Bass up to these days?

I don't know. I didn't know you two weren't an item anymore. Don't worry, there's plenty of bass in the water.

[dickface]

I am still really enjoying how Brandon Bass can hit a few midrange jumpers against the Spurs and now he's the Albert Einstein of the NBA.

[Buddy Holly]

I am still really enjoying how Brandon Bass can hit a few midrange jumpers against the Spurs and now he's the Albert Einstein of the NBA.

He was made out to be a German scientist? Wow, that's cool.

[Unforgivable]

I am still really enjoying how Brandon Bass can hit a few midrange jumpers against the Spurs and now he's the Albert Einstein of the NBA.


Just like how Devin Harris can stop Tony Parker a few times and he's the 2nd coming of Isiah Thomas.

[dickface]

I don't know.

considering your extensive NSYNC message board posting history, I'm shocked!

[Findog]

My objective was to get as many uninformed (is there another kind?) Mavs fans as possible scouring that page for something that was not there.

Yes, we're all 14 year old girls in pink Dirk jerseys. None of us have any fuckin' clue who Mark Aguirre or Sam Perkins are.

[Buddy Holly]

I'd rather have Bass for the youth and upside, but don't tell me the Mavs are going to be demonstrably worse off next year with Gooden filling the 15-20 mpg role that Bass did as the third big in our big rotation.

I didn't.

I simply said Bass is a better player.

[Buddy Holly]

considering your extensive NSYNC message board posting history, I'm shocked!

:nope

[Unforgivable]

Hey timvp, can you please make it clear to douchey here that Dickface and Unforgivable aren't the same person.....

[Knoxxx]

Yes, we're all 14 year old girls in pink Dirk jerseys. None of us have any fuckin' clue who Mark Aguirre or Sam Perkins are.

Well not a single damn one of ya knows how the MLE and LT works, explain that away?

[Obstructed_View]

Well here's hoping Gooden's as turrible as many of us thought he was when he was here. He's absolutely an upgrade over Bass in every way.

[DJB]

Once again the Mavericks pick up our leftovers.

[Buddy Holly]

Hey timvp, can you please make it clear to douchey here that Dickface and Unforgivable aren't the same person.....

Well, maybe not technically the same person but posting in the same loft while having fingers in each other assholes while house techno music blares over your sound system could be considered as "one" person.

[Findog]

I didn't.

I simply said Bass is a better player.


That's fine, but the thing is that Bass wanted more burn than he could get in Dallas as Dirk's backup. I figure the only way we could've kept him was to outbid Orlando for him. Gooden is coming in to do Bass' role and he'll be off our books next year whether he plays well for us or not. Gooden is probably a better option for us based on that alone.

[dickface]

I still rofl the most at johnsmith's description of Buddy Holly and his love affair with NSYNC


Long story, but it ends with BH being on a homosexual boyband message board, taking credit for other peoples stuff (sort of like Castro on the float, no wonder he doesn't mind) and then spilling his guts out in the greatest meltdown in spurstalk.com history.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think any of us have said that the Mavs will be worse with Gooden instead of Bass..I think they'll be the same..I just think Bass is a slightly better player..

[Findog]

Well not a single damn one of ya knows how the MLE and LT works, explain that away?

Silly me, I knew the MLE could be utilized for teams over the cap, but I thought it was luxury tax immune. Silly me. I've obviously never paid attention to the NBA before now.

[timvp]

Hey timvp, can you please make it clear to douchey here that Dickface and Unforgivable aren't the same person.....

*checks IP*

lol wut :wakeup

[dickface]

Well, maybe not technically the same person but posting in the same loft while having fingers in each other assholes while house techno music blares over your sound system could be considered as "one" person.

You sound like you know a lot about that whole scene.

[Obstructed_View]

*checks IP*

lol wut :wakeup

:lol

[Knoxxx]

That's fine, but the thing is that Bass wanted more burn than he could get in Dallas as Dirk's backup. I figure the only way we could've kept him was to outbid Orlando for him. Gooden is coming in to do Bass' role and he'll be off our books next year whether he plays well for us or not. Gooden is probably a better option for us based on that alone.

Why is that Cuban blows his nose with $90 million in payroll? Not sure he could sleep at night if he didn't waste as much money as the rules allow on his team. They could have paid Bass.

[Buddy Holly]

You sound like you know a lot about that whole scene.

Is it really a "scene". I just made it up. But I guess your confirming it for me. Good to know.

[Unforgivable]

You sound like you know a lot about that whole scene.


People who post on NSYNC message boards generally do.

[dickface]

I just made it up.

Pretty vivid description for a guy who "just made it up". Sounds like something you might have fantasized about.

[Buddy Holly]

People who post on NSYNC message boards generally do.

Probably. Sucks because I don't post on an nsync message board. Sucks even more that you're using disses from 5 years ago. :lmao

[Findog]

Why is that Cuban blows his nose with $90 million in payroll? Not sure he could sleep at night if he didn't waste as much money as the rules allow on his team. They could have paid Bass.

They didn't want to pay Bass $5 million a year for 4 years, which is what it would've required to keep him. Bass is a young guy playing the same position as Dirk. He wanted more PT and Orlando can give that to him. Gooden comes in and performs the Bass role and one way or the other he's off our books next summer.

[Knoxxx]

They didn't want to pay Bass $5 million a year for 4 years, which is what it would've required to keep him. Bass is a young guy playing the same position as Dirk. He wanted more PT and Orlando can give that to him. Gooden comes in and performs the Bass role and one way or the other he's off our books next summer.

OK, that helps. Dang that Cuban is cheap! Pretty smart guy though, it all makes sense now!

[Buddy Holly]

Pretty vivid description for a guy who "just made it up". Sounds like something you might have fantasized about.

Nope. But rule of thumb, the one that calls others gay is usually themselves gay.

Just thought I'd through that out there, maybe it'll give you some courage to come out to your parents.

[Rogue]

It's pretty simple, the MLE gets doubled if you are over the cap, keep hunting that page and you'll find it.
Luxury Tax has never been something that fears Cuban back as though it was bankruptcy, though it actually is that awful for the Spurs owner. Cuban would like to sell everything he has even including his brand pants to make his team as great as possible, and it's ludicrous some Spurs fan cares about the spend of someone else's money. Anyway Cuban's wife isn't a Spurs fan as far as I know.

[Dex]

I like Gooden. I was excited when he came to the Spurs, but I still worried about those times when he's just in the wrong place at the wrong time. He didn't get a good enough chance here to really tell if he was a bust or not, but we saw flashes of both his good and bad qualities on the court.

He'll score on the low post for Dallas, and that sucks because they've always beat us up on the inside as it is. But he'll still blow defensive assignments and be sporadic on the boards. Hopefully we've evened the distance enough on our front court enough to spot getting killed in the paint.

Good signing for the Mavs. He'll probably do more good than bad. But just wait for the bonehead move that undoes an important game.

[Unforgivable]

Nope. But rule of thumb, the one that calls others gay is usually themselves gay.


Weren't you the first one to do that by describing a scene of two men fingering each other?

[dickface]

Nope. But rule of thumb, the one that calls others gay is usually themselves gay.

lol wow if that isn't self-ownage of the highest order, I'm not sure what is.

[Buddy Holly]

Luxury Tax has never been something that fears Cuban back as though it was bankruptcy, though it actually is that awful for the Spurs owner.

Nope. Our owners have never had a problem with the lux tax. But it's a stupid business move nevertheless. If you can improve while staying under it, why not? We all know how spending always brings in titles, huh Portland, New York, Dallas?

[dickface]

Nope. But rule of thumb, the one that calls others gay is usually themselves gay.

It's like you completely forgot you just got done posting this


Well, maybe not technically the same person but posting in the same loft while having fingers in each other assholes while house techno music blares over your sound system could be considered as "one" person.

[Buddy Holly]

lol wow if that isn't self-ownage of the highest order, I'm not sure what is.

Considering you questioned my sexually first without any really motivation on my part, that comment was clearly directed at you. I'm not surprised you missed that with Un putting a butt plug up your behind as you were reading.

[dickface]

Considering you question by sexually first without any really motivation on my part that comment was directed at you. I'm not surprised you missed that with Un putting a butt plug up your behind as you were reading.

English, please. Only Rogue is allowed to do Rogue-talk.

[Buddy Holly]

Weren't you the first one to do that by describing a scene of two men fingering each other?

It's like you two are on the same wave length. My god is this just funny as shit.

[Knoxxx]

Luxury Tax has never been something that fears Cuban back as though it was bankruptcy, though it actually is that awful for the Spurs owner. Cuban would like to sell everything he has even including his brand pants to make his team as great as possible, and it's ludicrous some Spurs fan cares about the spend of someone else's money. Anyway Cuban's wife isn't a Spurs fan as far as I know.

Cubus is a capital D-O-R-K in my book. I don't care how he spends his money one tiny bit except for the entertainment value. Our team gets a lot more for its money, so its an obvious example of a superior franchise. Even if we were spending the same on payroll our franchise is better. That we have done it for far less $ every year than the Mavs makes it that much more satisfying is all. That Cuban is a loud over the top DORK that made fun of S.A. makes it even better.

[Ghazi]

^ that you get off on that shit is kinda dorkish IMO imho

[dickface]

Considering you questioned my sexually first without any really motivation on my part, that comment was clearly directed at you. I'm not surprised you missed that with Un putting a butt plug up your behind as you were reading.

Seriously, can someone translate this gibberish? I really would like to know I'm not talking shit to a guy with the mental capacity of a six year old.

[dickface]

Un putting

[Buddy Holly]

Seriously, can someone translate this gibberish? I really would like to know I'm not talking shit to a guy with the mental capacity of a six year old.

Re-read that. It's pretty funny.

[Unforgivable]

Seriously, can someone translate this gibberish? I really would like to know I'm not talking shit to a guy with the mental capacity of a six year old.


He's really fixated on butt plugs, must have seen a black guy in each of our avatars and got aroused.

[Buddy Holly]

Un putting

Un, short for Unforgivable. Now I'd like to know if I'm arguing with a mentally challenged troll.

[dickface]

I mean, seriously?

"Un putting a butt plug"

Un putting.....

[Buddy Holly]

He's really fixated on butt plugs, must have seen a black guy in each of our avatars and got aroused.

Is that what turns you and Dickface on? :wow

[Findog]

Nope. Our owners have never had a problem with the lux tax. But it's a stupid business move nevertheless. If you can improve while staying under it, why not?

Oh yeah, it's pretty simple to get better w/o spending $$ when you don't have a Kobe, Bron, Wade or Duncan on your roster. No problem at all. :rolleyes

[Knoxxx]

^ that you get off on that shit is kinda dorkish IMO imho

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I don't see where you disagree with my assessment of Cuban though.

[Buddy Holly]

Oh yeah, it's pretty simple to get better w/o spending $$ when you don't have a Kobe, Bron, Wade or Duncan on your roster. No problem at all. :rolleyes

Bron hasn't won shit and Detroit didn't have any of those players.

Maybe if you had actually people in charge who knew about basketball besides playing it before games, you'd have gotten somewhere.

[Knoxxx]

Oh yeah, it's pretty simple to get better w/o spending $$ when you don't have a Kobe, Bron, Wade or Duncan on your roster. No problem at all. :rolleyes

Wait a minute, every other Mavs fan on here seems to think Dirk = TD??!??

[Findog]

Cubus is a capital D-O-R-K in my book. I don't care how he spends his money one tiny bit except for the entertainment value. Our team gets a lot more for its money, so its an obvious example of a superior franchise.

Your team tanked to get a once in a generation franchise player. Pop is a good coach, Buford is a good GM, Holt is a good owner. But don't give me this superior franchise bullshit. Tim Duncan is why you have 4 championships.


our franchise is better.

WTF ever.

http://images.smarter.com/blogs/timduncan.jpg

[Unforgivable]

what exactly is unputting a butt plug? I don't speak NSYNC

[Unforgivable]

Is that what turns you and Dickface on? :wow


I'm not the one talking about butt plugs.

[Buddy Holly]

Jesus you two are overly pathetic and annoying. It's bordering on creepy now.

[dickface]

He's really fixated on butt plugs, must have seen a black guy in each of our avatars and got aroused.

Well someone once told me that "rule of thumb, the one that calls others gay is usually themselves gay" and I suppose that applies with people who constantly talk about fingering assholes and butt plugs.

[Knoxxx]

Jesus you two are overly pathetic and annoying. It's bordering on creepy now.

I have not been reading that shit for a while now.

[Rogue]

Cubus is a capital D-O-R-K in my book. I don't care how he spends his money one tiny bit except for the entertainment value. Our team gets a lot more for its money, so its an obvious example of a superior franchise. Even if we were spending the same on payroll our franchise is better. That we have done it for far less $ every year than the Mavs makes it that much more satisfying is all. That Cuban is a loud over the top DORK that made fun of S.A. makes it even better.
It's well known the Spurs have a cheap ass owner that has no other business and lives on the Spurs team as his only financial source, even though the Spurs have decent incomes from tickets and TV broadcasts, dude still can just barely cover his cost after paying salaries to the rosters even though the Spurs payroll was always below the tax threshold. Obviously the Luxury Tax is unaffordable for this cheap owner. Even Tim Duncan was requested to accept a pay cut to make room for re-signing Tony Longoria next summer, of course they Spurs can sign even the maximum contract with Longoria with his bird rights. It would be very nice if someone explains to me why Spurs have to cut Tim's money to re-sign longoria, I guess it's due to the Tax and the owner.

[Findog]

Bron hasn't won shit and Detroit didn't have any of those players.

Maybe if you had actually people in charge who knew about basketball besides playing it before games, you'd have gotten somewhere.

Detroit doesn't win a title if Karl Malone was healthy. And they are the single exception to the rule that says you have to have a franchise player and an All Star playing the Robin role. It makes far more sense to get a franchise player/an All Star Robin and fill out the rest of the roster with capable veteran role players than roll the dice with several very good players.

I just love the entitlement complex of San Antonio fans. They're blessed to get the greatest PF of all time and ride him to 4 titles, and all of the sudden that makes every other aspect of their franchise superior. Phil Jackson was a good coach and Jerry Krause did a good job drafting Grant and Pippen, but Michael Jordan won them 6 championships, not their status as a "superior franchise."

[Unforgivable]

Well someone once told me that "rule of thumb, the one that calls others gay is usually themselves gay" and I suppose that applies with people who constantly talk about fingering assholes and butt plugs.

and probably putting butt plugs as well.

[Findog]

Take away Tim Duncan and the Spurs are the Utah Jazz of the Southwest Division.

[Buddy Holly]

Your team tanked to get a once in a generation franchise player. Pop is a good coach, Buford is a good GM, Holt is a good owner. But don't give me this superior franchise bullshit. Tim Duncan is why you have 4 championships.

How do you intentionally tank when your best two players are out with legit injuries? And then, how do you intentionally tank and not end up with the best odds.

Seriously, enough with this weak bullshit.



WTF ever.

http://images.smarter.com/blogs/timduncan.jpg

No WTF ever, it's true.

[dirk4mvp]

Did someone try to say Bass is better than Gooden because his basketball IQ was higher?



:wakeup

[Buddy Holly]

Take away Tim Duncan and the Spurs are the Utah Jazz of the Southwest Division.

Take away offense from the Mavs and no NBA team would exist. Your point?

[dickface]

and probably putting butt plugs as well.

and un putting them.

[dirk4mvp]

I'd like to know how trying to dunk by crounching down almost sitting on the floor everytime you touch the ball consists of a good basketball IQ.

[Unforgivable]

How do you intentionally tank when your best two players are out with legit injuries?


Because they were bullshit leg injuries.

[Buddy Holly]

Did someone try to say Bass is better than Gooden because his basketball IQ was higher?



:wakeup

You'll understand three games into the season. We'll be here waiting and when you post a thread displaying your distaste we'll say: Told ya.

[dirk4mvp]

Take away offense from the Mavs and no NBA team would exist. Your point?

Is this the new way of saying _allas Mavericks? Not as catchy. :tu

[dickface]

Jesus you two are overly pathetic and annoying. It's bordering on creepy now.

You're the one who brought up asshole fingering and butt plugs.

[Knoxxx]

It's well known the Spurs have a cheap ass owner that has no other business and lives on the Spurs team as his only financial source, even though the Spurs have decent incomes from tickets and TV broadcasts, dude still can just barely cover his cost after paying salaries to the rosters even though the Spurs payroll was always below the tax threshold. Obviously the Luxury Tax is unaffordable for this cheap owner. Even Tim Duncan was requested to accept a pay cut to make room for re-signing Tony Longoria next summer, of course they Spurs can sign even the maximum contract with Longoria with his bird rights. It would be very nice if someone explains to me why Spurs have to cut Tim's money to re-sign longoria, I guess it's due to the Tax and the owner.

Well I have revealed now your true nature, a babbling idiot, not a difficult task. A little more proof than I needed though.

Just admit that Cuban is horrible, from a financial perspective, at running/owning a franchise. I'll admit that he is a pretty good owner to players, especially those willing to work for double what they are worth. Deal?

[dirk4mvp]

You'll understand three games into the season. We'll be here waiting and when you post a thread displaying your distaste we'll say: Told ya.

Yeah because when I watch Brandon Bass play sometimes I think Larry Bird layed in the sun too long.

[Findog]

How do you intentionally tank when your best two players are out with legit injuries? And then, how do you intentionally tank and not end up with the best odds.

Seriously, enough with this weak bullshit.


It's well-established that the Spurs tanked, and that they did not do everything they could to win games late in the year. Robinson breaking his foot or whatever it was that caused him to miss 60 games is not tanking, but don't tell me Pop was trying to win games in March and April. I don't blame them, I would've done the exact same thing in a year in which Tim Duncan was the prize. The fact remains is that getting Duncan was a fluke of good fortune.



No WTF ever, it's true.

It's true that you have Tim Duncan to thank for your 4 championships, not the Spurs status as a "superior franchise."

[Buddy Holly]

Because they were bullshit leg injuries.

Bullshit leg injuries? :lol

Yeah, NBA players get season ending surgeries for bullshit knee injuries and David was out because of his back and foot.

Where does "leg" even enter into the equation?

The Spurs were so intent on tanking, they signed Wilkins the summer before the season started. :rolleyes

[Unforgivable]

Yeah because when I watch Brandon Bass play sometimes I think Larry Bird layed in the sun too long.

:lmao

[Findog]

Just admit that Cuban is horrible, from a financial perspective, at running/owning a franchise.

Because the Mavs were so awesome and on a great run when he bought the team, and it's been nothing but downhill ever since? :rolleyes

[Unforgivable]

Bullshit leg injuries? :lol

Yeah, NBA players get season ending surgeries for bullshit knee injuries and David was out because of his back and foot.

Where does "leg" even enter into the equation?

The Spurs were so intent on tanking, they signed Wilkins the summer before the season started. :rolleyes


What was the medical diagnosis for Robinson's "season ending" injury?

[Buddy Holly]

Yeah because when I watch Brandon Bass play sometimes I think Larry Bird layed in the sun too long.

Yeah, because players are either terrible or legends there's no gray in between. :bang

[Unforgivable]

The Spurs were so intent on tanking, they signed Wilkins the summer before the season started. :rolleyes


You've gotta be kidding if you're using a 37 YO Wilkins to defend your argument.

[dickface]

FiIC5qcXeNU

[Buddy Holly]

What was the medical diagnosis for Robinson's "season ending" injury?

Injured back and then broken foot. Maybe he could have played on the broken foot but the Spurs were so intent on tanking, they had him just suck it up and miss games. :lol

[dirk4mvp]

Yeah, because players are either terrible or legends there's no gray in between. :bang

This is about basketball IQ. Something of which Brandon Bass has none of.

[dickface]

Yeah, because players are either terrible or legends there's no gray in between. :bang

kinda like Drew Gooden.

[Buddy Holly]

You've gotta be kidding if you're using a 37 YO Wilkins to defend your argument.

He put up 18 and 6 for the Spurs in 30 minutes a game. He wasn't signed to be the main guy, he was signed to be a role player. But then Elliott and David went down with injuries.

[Buddy Holly]

This is about basketball IQ. Something of which Brandon Bass has none of.

And Gooden as even less than that.

Again, you'll witness it yourself.

[dirk4mvp]

I wonder what monosylab1k thinks about this pick up. :wakeup

[Unforgivable]

Whether the Spurs tanked or not (which I still think they did), the fact remains that they have 4 championships because they received the #1 overall pick in a year that anyone from a newly born baby the an old man with brain cancer would know who the #1 overall pick should be. It didn't take elite front office skills or a "superior organization" to know Duncan was the right pick #1 overall.

[Rogue]

Well I have revealed now your true nature, a babbling idiot, not a difficult task. A little more proof than I needed though.

Just admit that Cuban is horrible, from a financial perspective, at running/owning a franchise. I'll admit that he is a pretty good owner to players, especially those willing to work for double what they are worth. Deal?
overpaid players are existing on every team not only the Mavs. Spurs also used to hold some outrageous contracts like Bruce Bowen and Oberto, not to mention the Jakie Butler one which cost the Spurs LUIS SCOLA to get rid of it. After all, Cuban has never dealt any pick/rights on the only purpose of cutting a bad contract, that's why the Mavs are holding a little bit more bad contracts than Spurs do. I have to concede Spurs have a better GM though, dude turned those bad contracts into Jefferson while Donnie remains dumb except for the Marion trade.

[Buddy Holly]

kinda like Drew Gooden.

What?

I never said Gooden was terrible. He's a good hustle player and rebounder. He's just a albatross when it comes to the offense.

[dickface]

And Gooden as even less than that.

Again, you'll witness it yourself.

Tell me one thing you have personally seen from Brandon Bass that suggests his Basketball IQ is higher than Drew Gooden's.

[Findog]

And Gooden as even less than that.

Again, you'll witness it yourself.

I wonder if two months ago Spurfan would be saying Gooden > Bass and Mavfan would be holding to Bass > Gooden.

[dirk4mvp]

He's just a albatross when it comes to the offense.

Brandon Bass says hi.

[Buddy Holly]

Whether the Spurs tanked or not (which I still think they did), the fact remains that they have 4 championships because they received the #1 overall pick in a year that anyone from a newly born baby the an old man with brain cancer would know who the #1 overall pick should be. It didn't take elite front office skills or a "superior organization" to know Duncan was the right pick #1 overall.

No shit. That doesn't explain the continued success the Spurs have had since 1997.

It's having the right people in place in the FO.

Dallas doesn't. Their owner likes to pretend he knows about basketball but for years while Dallas had a great offense but zero D, he did what? Nothing. He never tried to improve the teams Defense. Just signed or traded for more offensive players.

[Rogue]

and we paid too much for Marion, a veteran who has three rings around his belt, and our former starting 2 guard who started for us in most of the games in the past season.

[Knoxxx]

Because the Mavs were so awesome and on a great run when he bought the team, and it's been nothing but downhill ever since? :rolleyes

No, because he will probably pump his whole billion into the team and still not be able to buy a title. Cuban sucks, he's a flake, and you ain't ever going to win shit with him as the owner. This is the guy who game planned to stop the Beno Udrih 3-pointer from the corner against the Spurs. True fucking story. I am surprised ya'll didn't rush to overpay Beno after we dumped him, I guess Sacto beat you to the punch.

[Buddy Holly]

Brandon Bass says hi.

Not the same. Again, you will be personal witnesses to this.

[Rogue]

not to mention Stack's expiring contract with 5 million already bought out, dude could have been used more wisely to bait us a better player than Marion currently is.

[Unforgivable]

No shit. That doesn't explain the continued success the Spurs have had since 1997.


Is Duncan still on the team? If he is, then yes, it does explain the continued success.

It's not like if the Spurs didn't get Duncan in 1997 they would have found someone comparable a year later.

[dirk4mvp]

Not the same. Again, you will be personal witnesses to this.

So what exactly does Brandon Bass do that is so much smarter or better than Gooden?

[Buddy Holly]

Is Duncan still on the team? If he is, then yes, it does explain the continued success.

It's not like if the Spurs didn't get Duncan in 1997 they would have found someone comparable a year later.

Dude, you can have the best player in the league but it means shit if you don't surround them with a team that can challenge for a title.

Lebron and Kobe will testify to that.

[Unforgivable]

Dude, you can have the best player in the league but it means shit if you don't surround them with a team that can challenge for a title.


How many titles would your "superior organization" have if they got the 2nd overall pick in 1997 instead of the 1st overall pick?

[Buddy Holly]

So what exactly does Brandon Bass do that is so much smarter or better than Gooden?

He doesn't zone out and forget what play the team is running. He won't completely forget to guard his man. He doesn't try to use a skill he doesn't process and force ugly low post shots.

Again, you'll witness this for yourself.

[Findog]

No shit. That doesn't explain the continued success the Spurs have had since 1997.

It's having the right people in place in the FO

You cannot possibly give more fucking credit to Gregg Popovich and RC Buford than Tim Duncan. That's just fucking stupid, and I can't parse the quote above any other way. The Spurs have a great coach and management team, so maybe a mediocre GM/coach only squeezes two or three championships out of Duncan.


Dallas doesn't. Their owner likes to pretend he knows about basketball but for years while Dallas had a great offense but zero D, he did what? Nothing.

Dallas has a Steinbrenner meddler type. It's good and bad, because he spends the money and on personnel decisions they sometimes get it right, but we haven't had cap space for years in order to target FAs. Our only tools for improving the team has been MLE, trades and late first-round picks.



He never tried to improve the teams Defense. Just signed or traded for more offensive players


Right, we never got rid of Drunk Coach and brought in Avery and his emphasis/commitment to defense. Cuban never made any attempt at all to address the team's shortcomings on defense. Right. :rolleyes

[Buddy Holly]

How many titles would your "superior organization" have if they got the 2nd overall pick in 1997 instead of the 1st overall pick?

Numnuts, I know how fortunate the Spurs were for drafting Duncan. That wasn't my point with the post you quoted. Read it again and then respond.

[Unforgivable]

Have the Spurs done a great job surrounding TD with quality players? Yes. Doesn't change the fact surrounding a once in a generation player with a good supporting cast is a lot easier than acquiring a once in a generation player.

[dirk4mvp]

He doesn't zone out and forget what play the team is running. He won't completely forget to guard his man. He doesn't try to use a skill he doesn't process and force ugly low post shots.

Again, you'll witness this for yourself.



You haven't seen Brandon Bass play basketball.

[Knoxxx]

So what exactly does Brandon Bass do that is so much smarter or better than Gooden?

Bass is a better dunker. So you just got less athletic, and have your hopes riding on Shawn Marion, thank god we are not in that situation!

[Buddy Holly]

You cannot possibly give more fucking credit to Gregg Popovich and RC Buford than Tim Duncan. That's just fucking stupid, and I can't parse the quote above any other way. The Spurs have a great coach and management team, so maybe a mediocre GM/coach only squeezes two or three championships out of Duncan.

No, a mediocre GM/coach gets you the same amount of rings Garnett was able to get before being traded to the Celts. The same amount Lebron has been able to get. The same amount Kobe was able to get until their GM lucked into the Gasol trade. The Lakers FO is mediocre. The same amount Dirk has been able to get. The same amount Amare and Nash have been able to get.

[dirk4mvp]

Have the Spurs done a great job surrounding TD with quality players? Yes. Doesn't change the fact surrounding a once in a generation player with a good supporting cast is a lot easier than acquiring a once in a generation player.

Dawg the Spurs would've been straight raw and still would've won 4 titles if they took KVH with the second pick.

[Rogue]

How many titles would your "superior organization" have if they got the 2nd overall pick in 1997 instead of the 1st overall pick?
pwned :toast T-Mac and Billups are the only two guys that have as big names as Tim's, but neither of them can erect a Dynasty in San Antonio as Tim did.

[Findog]

No, because he will probably pump his whole billion into the team and still not be able to buy a title.

Hey Duncan fan,

Get a fucking clue. You can't buy championships in the NBA. You have to have a truly transcendent player or you can forget about winning a title. I estimate only 4-8 of those players at the most, so right off the bat, at least 16-20 teams in training camp have no shot at winning a championship.


Cuban sucks

He inherited a young team with potential and has paid to keep the team one of the better and most successful franchises in the league. You're right, he's a terrible owner. I'd much rather the Mavs be owned by a guy like Herb Kohl, who isn't a basketball fan and doesn't spend money to improve his team. That would be so much better.


he's a flake, and you ain't ever going to win shit with him as the owner.

Okay Nostradamus.


This is the guy who game planned to stop the Beno Udrih 3-pointer from the corner against the Spurs. True fucking story.

It's nice to see that Mark Cuban has found a way to activate the manic part of your psychological profile. Good luck with that.

[Buddy Holly]

You haven't seen Brandon Bass play basketball.

Yeah, you keep saying that but I watched enough of him to know you'll get frustrated with Gooden in a hurry.

[dirk4mvp]

Bass is a better dunker. So you just got less athletic,

:lmao



and have your hopes riding on Shawn Marion, thank god we are not in that situation!


2 of your 3 best players are chronically injured. That's not exactly an ideal situation I'd like for my team to be in either.

[dickface]

Spurs fans see Brandon Bass a half-dozen times, and just because he has good games against the Spurs, they think he does that all year long against everybody.

Typical. Yeah, we get it, the Spurs are the center of the NBA universe and everyone else is just trying to stay in orbit.