Ginobili

[Leetonidas]

Why do so many of you, Laker fans especially, seem to think Manu Ginobili is done? I've seen everything from he's washed up to there's a 50/50 chance he will come strong, to he will be injured all season etc...

For anyone saying shit like that, you obviously don't know WTF you're talking about. As of now according to R.C. Buford, Ginobili is 100% healthy and cleared to play. In 2008, he had his best statistical season of his career and won the 6th man award. That was just a year ago, and the games he played in this year before being sat down for the playoffs he was fucking beasting. I remember the last game or one of them he put up like 32 points or something on Toronto.

Point is, keep telling yourself that Manu is done or he's too old or he's washed up. Because you're gonna be singing quite the different tune when he's dunking on four of your players at the same time again.

[IronMexican]

I'd like to see it before I believe it. He very well could be back 100% healthy, though. Right now, I just don't believe it. Of course, Holt probably wouldn't pony up the dough for RJ and Dyes if he knew Manu wasn't coming back strong.

[MmP]

Thinking that he's not gonna be back 100% it's just moronic. Manu will be back, he still at his prime and his first "serious" injury wont turn him into Grant Hill inmediatly. I expect a 2007-2008 seasons star like for Manu, only this time it will carry till june.

[Culburn369]

Calm down, Lee

Of course Buford is talking positively. That's his job. One should take such pablum with a grain of salt until as Iron states: "see it before I believe it."

And I dutifully hope that we don't end up seeing it. A whole Manu coupled with a stablized Duncan is cause for concern.

[spursfan1000]

Cause they are haters.

[redzero]

R.I.P. 2007-2008 Manu Ginobili. Those years are long gone. Don't fight. Don't fight.

[sonic21]

R.I.P. 2007-2008 Manu Ginobili. Those years are long gone. Don't fight. Don't fight.

the spurs don't need the 2007/2008 manu to beat NO, an injured manu was enough in 2008.

[redzero]

the spurs don't need the 2007/2008 manu to beat NO, an injured manu was enough in 2008.

Oh, you want to take shots? And Manu did fine in that series.

[Ghazi]

Manu's decline has been somewhat exaggerated but his FG/FTA ratio declined last year and 43% of his shots were 3-pointers, highest ratio ever. I bring these stats up often because they are decent indicators of athleticism waning. With all that though he was still top 10 in PER so when healthy he's still a very good player.

[ElNono]

Why do so many of you, Laker fans especially, seem to think Manu Ginobili is done? I've seen everything from he's washed up to there's a 50/50 chance he will come strong, to he will be injured all season etc...

They're just scared.

[redzero]

They're just scared.

Scared of what? Their team won everything.

[ElNono]

Scared of what? Their team won everything.

They know with a healthy Ginobili anything can happen. No more easy rides to the NBA Finals.

[redzero]

They know with a healthy Ginobili anything can happen. No more easy rides to the NBA Finals.

The Spurs didn't lose to the Lakers in 08 because they didn't have a healthy Ginobili. They were just outclassed in almost every aspect of the game. A healthy Ginobili alone won't make a Spurs-Lakers series unpredictable.

[Leetonidas]

The Spurs didn't lose to the Lakers in 08 because they didn't have a healthy Ginobili. They were just outclassed in almost every aspect of the game. A healthy Ginobili alone won't make a Spurs-Lakers series unpredictable.

Yeah right. The one game that Manu played like Manu in that series, the Spurs shit on the Lakers.

[EricB]

The Spurs didn't lose to the Lakers in 08 because they didn't have a healthy Ginobili. They were just outclassed in almost every aspect of the game. A healthy Ginobili alone won't make a Spurs-Lakers series unpredictable.

Re watch games 1 4 and 5 again.

[redzero]

The Spurs lost those games. They were too old to keep up with LA.

It matters not now, since Richard Jefferson and Dejaun "Malone" Blair are on the team. They will bring some much needed it youth and athleticism.

[scottspurs]

Manu is just as much done as Kobe is. FEAR THE GREAT MANU BITCHES.

[KSeal]

Manu is just as much done as Kobe is. FEAR THE GREAT MANU BITCHES.

Talk about delusional, my lord.

[Muser]

If Manu is healthy then the Spurs have a chance, if he isn't then forget it. He's what drives this team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Spurs didn't lose to the Lakers in 08 because they didn't have a healthy Ginobili. They were just outclassed in almost every aspect of the game. A healthy Ginobili alone won't make a Spurs-Lakers series unpredictable.


I think if the Lakers lose Odom to Miami and Duncan and Manu stay healthy, Spurs vs. Lakers would be unpredictable.

[howbouthemspurs]

Ginobili will be back and he will kill any Laker puss pad that gets in his way!! Be afraid Lakers, be very afraid!... i think Kobe is done, i think he will only be at 10% this season, so the lakers will have to waive him. Oh well it was fun watchin while it lasted! ....
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Kobe sucks!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You delusional little rat. The first game the Spurs were up 20, and choked it away. The second game we blew you bitches by 30. The fourth game we led from wire to wire. The Spurs never even saw the lead in the third game. The fifth game, the Spurs jumped out to a 17 point lead, and we caught them by the third, and wiped our asses with them the rest of the way.

I dont know what series you were watching, but this was an easy series for the Lakers, and Manu played every game, and Duncan was fully healthy. The Lakers did not have Bynum nor Ariza, and made it look easy.



lakaluva, the point is with a healthy Manu that the Spurs wouldn't have had those horrible scoring droughts and probably wouldn't have choked away those huge leads in games 1 and 5, and may possibly win game 4. I know Manu played every game but he clearly wasn't the player he had been during the regular season. I'm not saying it's a sure thing the Spurs win the series with a healthy Manu, but it certainly becomes a 6 or 7 game series.


My view is, that series is irrelevant to the upcoming season, and it would be retarded to use that series to judge what a Spurs Lakers series in the 2010 playoffs would be like. Both rosters have changed significantly since then.

[Ghazi]

Mavs/Lakers WCF

[benefactor]

lakaluva, the point is with a healthy Manu that the Spurs wouldn't have had those horrible scoring droughts and probably wouldn't have choked away those huge leads in games 1 and 5, and may possibly win game 4. I know Manu played every game but he clearly wasn't the player he had been during the regular season. I'm not saying it's a sure thing the Spurs win the series with a healthy Manu, but it certainly becomes a 6 or 7 game series.


My view is, that series is irrelevant to the upcoming season, and it would be retarded to use that series to judge what a Spurs Lakers series in the 2010 playoffs would be like. Both rosters have changed significantly since then.
...just saying things like "lol Spurs fan! You got handled by the Mavs in the first round last year think you can beat us now? lolololol!" is retarded. That doesn't stop them from continuing to do it though.

[DAF86]

I think if the Lakers lose Odom to Miami and Duncan and Manu stay healthy, Spurs vs. Lakers would be unpredictable.

If all that things happen a Spurs vs Lakers series would be pretty damn predictable: Spurs in 4 or 5.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If all that things happen a Spurs vs Lakers series would be pretty damn predictable: Spurs in 4 or 5.


Not really. I'm assuming everyone stays healthy, that includes Bynum. The last time Bynum and and Duncan met, Bynum neutralized him. It'd be a close series. Neither team would win in 4 or 5.

[JamStone]

Why do so many of you, Laker fans especially, seem to think Manu Ginobili is done? I've seen everything from he's washed up to there's a 50/50 chance he will come strong, to he will be injured all season etc...

Because Manu has been injured a lot in the last few years, he's about to turn 32 which is an age where many NBA players start to have a more noticeable decline in their level of play, and mostly (especially Laker fans) to irritate Spurs fans.

Judging by this thread, the latter reason is working.

Why do fans make fun of T-Mac being done? Or Oden being done? Or Bynum being an overrated POS? To irritate fans of the teams those players play for. And, because they can.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Spurs years of winning titles are over. Duncan will never taste a repeat, and unless he leaves the Spurs, he will spend the rest of his days losing to the Lakers. We are built for a 4-5 year run.


That's one opinion. We'll have to wait and see. As I said, it's unpredictable. I watched the Spurs play extremely mediocre basketball for the first 50 games of the 2006-2007 season and thought they were no longer a threat. Duncan's never had the offensive supporting cast he has this year. Last year having to carry that team early on in the season clearly hurt him later on in the season.

[DAF86]

Wrong again. They only lead in two of the five games. The series was easy for the Lakers, get over it. I provided you the link, and you still cant get it right.

I didn't check it but I clearly remember that we lead game 1 and 5 in LA by something close to 20 points and we won game 3 easily so there you have at least 3 of 5 games. And game 4 was the one with Fish's foul on Barry.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I didn't check it but I clearly remember that we lead game 1 and 5 in LA by something close to 20 points and we won game 3 easily so there you have at least 3 of 5 games. And game 4 was the one with Fish's foul on Barry.


Game 4 the Lakers did lead wire to wire, even though the Spurs made a run at the end, but the Spurs did have big leads in games 1, 3 and 5.

[Ghazi]

4-5 year run, give me a fuckin break. Gasol/Kobe/Artest/Odom will be dinosaurs in 5 years and the development of Bynum/Brown or whoever the fuck will likely not offset that

2-3 years is more appropriate.

[Spursfan092120]

I'd like to see it before I believe it. He very well could be back 100% healthy, though. Right now, I just don't believe it. Of course, Holt probably wouldn't pony up the dough for RJ and Dyes if he knew Manu wasn't coming back strong.
We need to play NCAA 2010 again.

[Spursfan092120]

I think if the Lakers lose Odom to Miami and Duncan and Manu stay healthy, Spurs vs. Lakers would be a Spurs victory in 6 or 7 games.
fify :D

[Hornets1]

The Spurs years of winning titles are over. Duncan will never taste a repeat, and unless he leaves the Spurs, he will spend the rest of his days losing to the Lakers. We are built for a 4-5 year run.

I really think that Odom is going to make or break the Lakers' dominance. I don't think losing Odom and Ariza and gaining Artest is considered improving. But keeping Odom and trading out Ariza for Artest is an improvement.

[mytespurs]

Because Manu has been injured a lot in the last few years, he's about to turn 32 which is an age where many NBA players start to have a more noticeable decline in their level of play, and mostly (especially Laker fans) to irritate Spurs fans.

Judging by this thread, the latter reason is working.

Why do fans make fun of T-Mac being done? Or Oden being done? Or Bynum being an overrated POS? To irritate fans of the teams those players play for. And, because they can.

Bingo! and we fall for it every time. :rollin:rollin

After while, it's not even worth arguing about 'cause we won't know for sure until he hits the floor. I hope he comes back healthy because he gives his all. I believe he knows he hasn't played his best due to injuries and I can't help but think if he comes back healthy, it will be the Manu of old adding a few years of course. :)

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

fify :D


At least that's somewhat realistic.

[johngateswhiteley]

The Spurs years of winning titles are over. Duncan will never taste a repeat, and unless he leaves the Spurs, he will spend the rest of his days losing to the Lakers. We are built for a 4-5 year run.

its impossible for you to believe what you post.

...you're a joke.

[Culburn369]

The Spurs years of winning titles are over.

Luva is correct here, fellows. You've been out in the rain too long. Perhaps if you can score another supreme find like Manu you can return to glory, but, that is about your only chance. We have your ass in the West and Boston would beat you to like smithereens if they ever came across ya's in the Finals.

[johngateswhiteley]

Luva is correct here, fellows. You've been out in the rain too long. Perhaps if you can score another supreme find like Manu you can return to glory, but, that is about your only chance. We have your ass in the West and Boston would beat you to like smithereens if they ever came across ya's in the Finals.

b/c the Spurs are too old? and the lakers to good? is that why?

[Culburn369]

b/c the Spurs are too old? and the lakers to good? is that why?

John, your talent level is no longer premium enough. It is not on the level that the Lakers are at.

[johngateswhiteley]

John, your talent level is no longer premium enough. It is not on the level that the Lakers are at.

and why is that? who on the lakers, besides kobe, is so talented?

[Culburn369]

and why is that? who on the lakers, besides kobe, is so talented?

Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Walton.

------

Parker, Manu, RJ, Hill.

Right now, not when you can ascertain the health of anybody, but this instant, what group would you choose, John?

[dirk4mvp]

Gasol, Bynum, Odom,


Odom plays for the Lakers?


Walton.






lol


Listing him would make anyone pick the other squad.

[mojorizen7]

I don't like Manu. I think he's an extremely talented S.American bitch.
Can i say that here?

[Leetonidas]

Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Walton.

------

Parker, Manu, RJ, Hill.

Right now, not when you can ascertain the health of anybody, but this instant, what group would you choose, John?

Considering that Parker is a lot better than any of those Laker players, I'd take the latter.

Walton?? :lmao

And Odom isn't even coming back. :lmao :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Considering that Parker is a lot better than any of those Laker players, I'd take the latter.

Walton?? :lmao

And Odom isn't even coming back. :lmao :lmao


he also completely forgot Ron Artest which I don't get.

[Leetonidas]

Because he's not a real Laker fan.

[DAF86]

John, your talent level is no longer premium enough. It is not on the level that the Lakers are at.

Tony > Fisher

Manu < Kobe

RJ > Artest

Dice < Pau

Tim > Bynum

And you better sign Odom 'cause if you don't SA bench >>> LA bench.

Edit: I changed 'cause Tim would be guarding Bynum not Pau.

[Culburn369]

he also completely forgot Ron Artest which I don't get.

I didn't forget him, but, I needed John to converse with.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Tony > Fisher

Manu < Kobe

RJ > Artest

Tim > Pau

Dice > Bynum (if we go by actual production on an entire season instead of hype)

And you better sign Odom 'cause if you don't SA bench >>> LA bench.


If 30 GMs were interviewed, my guess is at least 20 they'd rather have Artest over Jefferson.

[Culburn369]

Because he's not a real Laker fan.

Please.

[mojorizen7]

Tony > Fisher

Manu < Kobe

RJ > Artest

Tim > Pau

Dice > Bynum (if we go by actual production on an entire season instead of hype)

And you better sign Odom 'cause if you don't SA bench >>> LA bench.

I'm buying it minus the RJ> Artest part.
Ron Ron gives you more than RJ. Less scoring but more of everything else including the "D" which you aren't going to get from RJ.

[DAF86]

If 30 GMs were interviewed, my guess is at least 20 they'd rather have Artest over Jefferson.


I'm buying it minus the RJ> Artest part.
Ron Ron gives you more than RJ. Less scoring but more of everything else including the "D" which you aren't going to get from RJ.

OK I respect your opinions and I know that I am among the minority here. But I'm not too high on Artest, IMO Artest for Ariza isn't an upgrade for LA.

[Ghazi]

Jefferson blows

[Culburn369]

OK I respect your opinions and I know that I am among the minority here. But I'm not too high on Artest, IMO Artest for Ariza isn't an upgrade for LA.

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

[sonic21]

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

???

[benefactor]

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.
What does that have to do with what he said? Seriously, you are turning into one of the worst posters on this site.

[Shastafarian]

Wrong again. They only lead in two of the five games. The series was easy for the Lakers, get over it. I provided you the link, and you still cant get it right.

Game 1
5:54 Tim Duncan makes 7-foot hook shot 65-45

Game 3
6:54 66-86 Brent Barry makes 26-foot three point jumper (Fabricio Oberto assists)

3:00 78-98 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2

2:46 80-100 Ime Udoka makes free throw 1 of 2

Game 5
10:18 Brent Barry makes 26-foot three point jumper (Manu Ginobili assists) 33-16

4:33 Tony Parker makes driving layup 42-26



3 different games (you're wrong about it being 2) with leads of 16 points and up.

[johngateswhiteley]

Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Walton.

------

Parker, Manu, RJ, Hill.

Right now, not when you can ascertain the health of anybody, but this instant, what group would you choose, John?

i'd take parker, manu, jefferson and hill...continue.

[Culburn369]

Jefferson blows

& the Spurs fandom agreed with ya until you all pulled their pants down in front of everybody 4-1 and then only the one charter left central Florida for California after Game 5.

[DAF86]

Artest IMO has a low BB IQ, isn't very athletic (he's all strenght), he barely jumps anymore, is slow, and can't drible the ball.

[Culburn369]

i'd take parker, manu, jefferson and hill...continue.

Too late, John, I'm off on a tangent with your fellow Spursites. Perhaps another time.

[Culburn369]

Artest IMO has a low BB IQ, isn't very athletic (he's all strenght), he barely jumps anymore, is slow, and can't drible the ball.

Aside from the BB IQ being low you just described Duncan.

[DAF86]

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

Don't you have a thread to bump?

[benefactor]

& the Spurs fandom agreed with ya until you all pulled their pants down in front of everybody 4-1 and then only the one charter left central Florida for California after Game 5.

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

...just like saying things like "lol Spurs fan! You got handled by the Mavs in the first round last year think you can beat us now? lolololol!" is retarded. That doesn't stop them from continuing to do it though.
:sleep

[DAF86]

Aside from the BB IQ being low you just described Duncan.

The difference beign that Duncan is a 7 footer bigman and Artest a wing. Besides the BB IQ is probably the most important aspect of all. And Duncan has better handles than Artest.

[Culburn369]

Don't you have a thread to bump?

Yes, but that can wait. You obviously still are in dire need of a comeuppance (the Mavs whipping that ass 4-1 notwithstanding) and I'm here to apply said comeuppance.

[mojorizen7]

Artest IMO has a low BB IQ, isn't very athletic (he's all strenght), he barely jumps anymore, is slow, and can't drible the ball.

Even so....
Shutdown defenders that aren't liabilities on offense are rare and at a premium in this league.

[johngateswhiteley]

The difference beign that Duncan is a 7 footer bigman and Artest a wing. Besides the BB IQ is probably the most important aspect of all. And Duncan has better handles than Artest.

if you are going to argue at least do it right.

not only is the difference IQ...but TD is one of the most skilled players in the league, head and shoulders above artest.

[Culburn369]

The difference beign that Duncan is a 7 footer bigman and Artest a wing. Besides the BB IQ is probably the most important aspect of all. And Duncan has better handles than Artest.

So, after chasing your elbow round your asshole you agree with me.

Thanks, DAF.

[sonic21]

Even so....
Shutdown defenders that aren't liabilities on offense are rare and at a premium in this league.

that was 5 years ago

[Culburn369]

if you are going to argue at least do it right.

not only is the difference IQ...but TD is one of the most skilled players in the league, head and shoulders above artest.

Poppycock, pure & unadulterated style.

[johngateswhiteley]

Poppycock, pure & unadulterated style.

hows that? you're talking about the best power forward (or damn near it) of all time vs. a good player.

[mojorizen7]

that was 5 years ago

Ok so if Artest is no longer a shutdown defender who in the league is?

[DAF86]

Even so....
Shutdown defenders that aren't liabilities on offense are rare and at a premium in this league.

Artest got torched by Kobe and Roy on the playoffs, he isn't a shutdown defender anymore. And IMO Artest IS a liability on offense. Or at least not as good as everyone thinks. Last season he averaged 17 pts on 15 fg attempts on 40% shooting, that's awful and he was even worst in the playoffs.

[Spursmania]

the spurs don't need the 2007/2008 manu to beat NO, an injured manu was enough in 2008.


Sure was:toast:lol

[Culburn369]

hows that? you're talking about the best power forward (or damn near it) of all time vs. a good player.

& Artest remains a "good player"......the Duncan you accurately describe no longer draws breath on earth.

[sonic21]

Ok so if Artest is no longer a shutdown defender who in the league is?

He's good in terms of guarding power players (Lebron, Carmelo, Pierce), but he will get burned by quick guards and i don't think PJ will put kobe all game on guys like wade, roy, ginobili.

[Culburn369]

Artest got torched by Kobe and Roy on the playoffs, he isn't a shutdown defender anymore.

That's just because he signed with the Lakers, DAF.

[johngateswhiteley]

& Artest remains a "good player"......the Duncan you accurately describe no longer draws breath on earth.

you didn't answer my question. further, there are very few great players in the nba...artest isn't one of them.

[mojorizen7]

Artest got torched by Kobe and Roy on the playoffs, he isn't a shutdown defender anymore. And IMO Artest IS a liability on offense. Or at least not as good as everyone thinks. Last season he averaged 17 pts on 15 fg attempts on 40% shooting, that's awful and he was even worst in the playoffs.
Torched? Really? Come on....
You're going to grade Ron Ron's defensive abilities using his performance against the best offensive player the league has seen since MJ? Ok.

He's also been forced into a role of being the #1 option offensively with his last two teams(the last 5 years coincidentally). A role he's not cut out for obviously.
Injuries to Kevin Martin,Bibby etc...in SacTown and the perpetual absence of TMac,Yao in Houston were huge factors in Artests poor shooting %'s.

[Culburn369]

you didn't answer my question. further, there are very few great players in the nba...artest isn't one of them.

Neither is Duncan any longer.

[mojorizen7]

I'll take a half an Artest here in PHX. :(
Lakers/Spurs will be good shit this year.
Mavs will get the consolation game.

[johngateswhiteley]

Neither is Duncan any longer.

i would disagree with that. consider this...TD was the best player in the league for a while...artest has never been close to that. if they've both fallen since then, fine. but tell me...which NBA team would take artest over TD as we speak? thats a rhetorical question.

[mojorizen7]

TD is a future HOF'r(obviously).......Artest is a fantastic 3rd guy on a championship team IMO.
Edit: If i'm looking to win a title now i'm still taking TD over Ron.

[Culburn369]

i would disagree with that. consider this...TD was the best player in the league for a while...artest has never been close to that. if they've both fallen since then, fine. but tell me...which NBA team would take artest over TD as we speak? thats a rhetorical question.

But, that wasn't my point, John. Viewed in a vacuum, your memory erased, blinders on, Duncan is now a good player. Artest is a good player.

[Culburn369]

TD is a future HOF'r(obviously)

That don't mean shit. This HOF nonsense is crapola. What good did it do when the Mavs took the Spurs out? This is how it gets away from an organization and the Spurs are living proof.

[johngateswhiteley]

But, that wasn't my point, John. Viewed in a vacuum, your memory erased, blinders on, Duncan is now a good player. Artest is a good player.

i'm simply coming at you from a different angle...how else am i suppose to get your thoughts? you aren't direct.

anyway, TD's skills haven't deteriorated...skills that artest never possessed and never will. the players aren't comparable (in the IQ and skill department) and TD is still significantly better. and i'm shocked that a laker fan doesn't see it.

[exstatic]

& Artest remains a "good player"......the Duncan you accurately describe no longer draws breath on earth.

?? Duncan was kicking ass until probably February. If it makes you feel better to write him off, fine, but he's not gone.

[Shastafarian]

But, that wasn't my point, John. Viewed in a vacuum, your memory erased, blinders on, Duncan is now a good player. Artest is a good player.

Artest 2008/2009:

35.5 MPG 17.1 PPG 5.2 RPG 3.3 APG 40% FG

Duncan 2008/2009:

33.6 MPG 19.3 PPG 10.7 RPG 3.5 APG 50.4% FG

Let's average those out to 40 MPG shall we?

Artest:

19.26 PPG 5.85 RPG 3.7 APG

Duncan:

22.9 PPG 12.7 RPG 4.17 APG

LOL at you claiming they both have the same quality of play.

[mojorizen7]

That don't mean shit. This HOF nonsense is crapola. What good did it do when the Mavs took the Spurs out? This is how it gets away from an organization and the Spurs are living proof.

Wtf? We're gonna need a credibility check on aisle 369? :lol

[Culburn369]

LOL at you claiming they both have the same quality of play.

Never said such.

[Shastafarian]

But, that wasn't my point, John. Viewed in a vacuum, your memory erased, blinders on, Duncan is now a good player. Artest is a good player.


Never said such.

Kinda looks like you did.

[johngateswhiteley]

Artest 2008/2009:

35.5 MPG 17.1 PPG 5.2 RPG 3.3 APG 40% FG

Duncan 2008/2009:

33.6 MPG 19.3 PPG 10.7 RPG 3.5 APG 50.4% FG

Let's average those out to 40 MPG shall we?

Artest:

19.26 PPG 5.85 RPG 3.7 APG

Duncan:

22.9 PPG 12.7 RPG 4.17 APG

LOL at you claiming they both have the same quality of play.


to be fair, he didn't say that. but thanks for the stats...i thought artest was a better rebounder. 5.2 sucks ass for such a physical, athletic, high IQ, skilled player such as himself.

[Shastafarian]

to be fair, he didn't say that. but thanks for the stats...i thought artest was a better rebounder. 5.2 sucks ass for such a physical, athletic, high IQ, skilled player such as himself.

He equated their play as "good". There's a clear gap.

[Culburn369]

Wtf? We're gonna need a credibility check on aisle 369? :lol

Citing Duncan's assurance to the Hall in order to boost his current state is silly.

[Culburn369]

He equated their play as "good".

Never said such.

[Gino]

Ginobili is getting old.

The fact is older players become much more susceptible to injuries.

And the past couple of years, Manu has gotten further and further away from his 2005 self.

[Shastafarian]

Citing Duncan's assurance to the Hall in order to boost his current state is silly.

Just cuz I love stats...

Pau Gasol (stats averaged to 40MPG):

20.4 PPG 10.37 RPG 3.78 APG

Would you say Gasol is one of the elite players in the league?

[Shastafarian]

Never said such.

Saying they're both "good players" isn't saying such?

[Culburn369]

Just cuz I love stats...

Pau Gasol (stats averaged to 40MPG):

20.4 PPG 10.37 RPG 3.78 APG

Would you say Gasol is one of the elite players in the league?

I've caught you telling bald face lies twice already about things I've said, Shasta.

Go pound salt.

[Shastafarian]

I've caught you telling bald face lies twice already about things I've said, Shasta.

Go pound salt.

Alright why don't you explain what you meant when you said, "Duncan is now a good player. Artest is a good player."

[Culburn369]

Saying they're both "good players" isn't saying such?

Precisely.

[johngateswhiteley]

He equated their play as "good". There's a clear gap.

true and i think TD is still a great player. that being said, two players can be good and one still significantly better than the other...wait, that does sound off. the gap isn't that close, i agree.

TD = great

artest = good

[KSeal]

I'll take it...

lVVW_RTqyEE

I hated Ron that night, he was abusing Ariza and hitting every single three he took.

[Culburn369]

Alright why don't you explain what you meant when you said, "Duncan is now a good player. Artest is a good player."

I already did, balloonhead, but, you were too busy typing your response to read it.

[Shastafarian]

Precisely.

So even though you equated the level of their quality, you didn't mean to?

[Culburn369]

I hated Ron that night, he was abusing Ariza and hitting every single three he took.

Of course, he probably took the game off before the Laker game so he could rest up.

:rolleyes

[Shastafarian]

http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/610/610_img_12.jpg

[Culburn369]

So even though you equated the level of their quality, you didn't mean to?

Shasta, forget it, you don't want a discussion, you want revenge. Revenge for the Lakers winning the title and you stuck with a MASH unit.

Tough beans.

[johngateswhiteley]

Dominate players such as Kobe and Gasol tend to carry their skill level at least until 35 years of age.

what about Duncan?


Right now, Kobe and Gasol is the best one-two punch in the league, and have been for the past two seasons. No one is even close to that combo right now.

KG and Pierce were better last year...and showed by annihilating the lakers in the finals.

[Shastafarian]

Shasta, forget it, you don't want a discussion, you want revenge. Revenge for the Lakers winning the title and you stuck with a MASH unit.

Tough beans.

Not really. I just want to point out that you equated Ron Artest and Tim Duncan when Duncan is clearly a better player, even now. You keep dodging.

[Culburn369]

what about Duncan?


Duncan is a good player. He is no longer dominant.

Christ, take one honest look at him, John. He's deteriorated. There is prime left, but, it's not apparent at first blush. You have to watch the entire game and pick the moment.

[jack sommerset]

Mangoo is overrated in the Spews community. Bowen was worth a hell of lot more to the Spews then Mangoo ever was. Injuries and suspensions to other teams were a hell of alot more important to the Spews than Mangoo was or is. Mangoo is a wild beast that runs around like one. Thank Duncan for giving him some more room to do this. He might be a true 6th man this year for the Spews.

[Culburn369]

I just want to point out that you equated Ron Artest and Tim Duncan

Never said such.

[johngateswhiteley]

Duncan will still be an all-star at 35, just like Shaq. There is no reason why Kobe, and Gasol wont be either.

The Celtics did beat us bad, but no team has a higher winning percentage since the Lakers got Gasol.

thats fine, but the playoffs are what mattered.

on another note...artest is not shooting 47-48% next year. his career average is 42...and i bet shoots around 44.

[KSeal]

Mangoo is overrated in the Spews community. Bowen was worth a hell of lot more to the Spews then Mangoo ever was. Injuries and suspensions to other teams were a hell of alot more important to the Spews than Mangoo was or is. Mangoo is a wild beast that runs around like one. Thank Duncan for giving him some more room to do this. He might be a true 6th man this year for the Spews.

Can't put it much better then this.

[Shastafarian]

Never said such.

You did whether you intended to or not.


Aside from the BB IQ being low you just described Duncan.Close


if you are going to argue at least do it right.

not only is the difference IQ...but TD is one of the most skilled players in the league, head and shoulders above artest.

Poppycock, pure & unadulterated style.Close again


& Artest remains a "good player"......the Duncan you accurately describe no longer draws breath on earth.Getting there...


you didn't answer my question. further, there are very few great players in the nba...artest isn't one of them.


Neither is Duncan any longer.Oh so close.


But, that wasn't my point, John. Viewed in a vacuum, your memory erased, blinders on, Duncan is now a good player. Artest is a good player.There it is

[Culburn369]

There it is

Yes, they're both good players.

[johngateswhiteley]

Duncan is a good player. He is no longer dominant.

Christ, take one honest look at him, John. He's deteriorated. There is prime left, but, it's not apparent at first blush. You have to watch the entire game and pick the moment.

i don't think he is as good as he once was, never said otherwise. but don't underestimate his supporting cast making things easier for him...he wore down last year, it was as clear as day. there is less chance of that happening with this current squad, imo. and the same goes for manu.

the spurs don't need MVP duncan to win the NBA finals this year...they don't need manu in his prime either. they just need to be relatively healthy...and the odds of that are fairly good. its like that toby keith song..."i aint as good as i once was, but i'm as good once, as i ever was."

fwiw, kobe isn't what he was either...but he's still great.

[Shastafarian]

Yes, they're both good players.

Is Pau Gasol a "good" player? Or is he on a different tier?

[exstatic]

His shooting percentage will jump 7-8% playing on the best team in the league. No need for him to go one on one anymore, we have the best in the game at that.

A normal person might react like that, although I think maybe a 4% bump in FG% might be more realistic, but this IS Artest we're talking about.

[Culburn369]

i don't think he is as good as he once was, never said otherwise. but don't underestimate his supporting cast making things easier for him...he wore down last year, it was as clear as day. there is less chance of that happening with this current squad, imo. and the same goes for manu.

the spurs don't need MVP duncan to win the NBA finals this year...they don't need manu in his prime either. they just need to be relatively healthy...and the odds of that are fairly good.

fwiw, kobe isn't what he was either...but he's still great.

Your capitulation on these points is commendable.

And in the spirit you've cast I'll readily admit that yes indeed Kobe has deteriorated. To claim otherwise would be ridiculous.

[johngateswhiteley]

Your capitulation on these points is commendable.

but what did i give up?

[BadOdor]

Your capitulation on these points is commendable.

And in the spirit you've cast I'll readily admit that yes indeed Kobe has deteriorated. To claim otherwise would be ridiculous.

Indeed. However, kobe was still competing for the mvp last year, and will so again. Kobe has just the right set of skills and work ethic to be very effective for 4-6 more years.

Duncan is a different case. He has tendinitis, which will only detereiorate with time. He is slow and can't jump. He is no longer the duncan of old......and without the duncan of old, the spurs are done. In 4 years, when Duncan is retired and parker has escaped into a bigger market, they will return to obscurity.

[Culburn369]

A normal person might react like that, although I think maybe a 4% bump in FG% might be more realistic, but this IS Artest we're talking about.

I'd be grateful if he just doesn't shit himself like Richmond, Murray, Meds and Vug and a host of others have. Or, literally cry like Hunter & Rider did.

Just first do no harm. Everything after that will be gravy.

[exstatic]

Dominate players such as Kobe and Gasol tend to carry their skill level at least until 35 years of age. Right now, Kobe and Gasol is the best one-two punch in the league, and have been for the past two seasons. No one is even close to that combo right now.

SGs who play above the rim don't last at an elite level until 35. He'll be very good, but right now he scores 35 with double teams. At that point, he'll be single covered doing about the same damage and his open team mates will all be covered with their own defenders. Believe me, it makes a huge difference. The Spurs were not able to exploit Diop's offensive weakness in 2006 against Dallas and he did a man's job of defending Duncan one on one. Duncan still put up a lot of points, but the 3 point shooters were never able to get untracked.

[exstatic]

I'd be grateful if he just doesn't shit himself like Richmond, Murray, Meds and Vug and a host of others have. Or, literally cry like Hunter & Rider did.

Just first do no harm. Everything after that will be gravy.

You may be expecting too much from Ron Ron. :lol He really is nuts.

[djohn2oo8]

LMAO @ the Laker fans who think that just b/c Ron Ron is in L.A. now means that he won't play 1 on 1 basketball at any given moment......Just wait for it

[Culburn369]

but what did i give up?

Nothing, but, that hunk of logic you just tortured will never be the same. And how you got 10lbs of shit into that 5lb bag is beyond me & mine.

[johngateswhiteley]

Indeed. However, kobe was still competing for the mvp last year, and will so again. Kobe has just the right set of skills and work ethic to be very effective for 4-6 more years.

Duncan is a different case. He has tendinitis, which will only detereiorate with time. He is slow and can't jump. He is no longer the duncan of old......and without the duncan of old, the spurs are done. In 4 years, when Duncan is retired and parker has escaped into a bigger market, they will return to obscurity.

thx...now i don't have to watch this upcoming season.

[johngateswhiteley]

Nothing, but, that hunk of logic you just tortured will never be the same. And how you got 10lbs of shit into that 5lb bag is beyond me & mine.

i don't follow, but ok.

[Culburn369]

LMAO @ the Laker fans who think that just b/c Ron Ron is in L.A. now means that he won't play 1 on 1 basketball at any given moment......Just wait for it

I for one would welcome with open arms those maniacal bull rushes to the side of the rim Artest has perfomed at every stop along the way. Now of course I also welcomed Bynum Gasol and Odom across the front, but, Jackson was adamant in his comprehensive refusal, so, I ain't holdin' my breath for the bull rushes.

[Kevin Harlan]

Mangoo is overrated in the Spews community. Bowen was worth a hell of lot more to the Spews then Mangoo ever was. Injuries and suspensions to other teams were a hell of alot more important to the Spews than Mangoo was or is. Mangoo is a wild beast that runs around like one. Thank Duncan for giving him some more room to do this. He might be a true 6th man this year for the Spews.
ohhhh jack sommerset, with no regard for human life!

[TMTTRIO]

Manu's had a bad year and a half full of injuries but I don't think he's done. After he had the surgery and before we found out that he had that stress fracture he was starting to really become himself and have several 30 point games (even during the time of his stress fracture). He may be starting to decline but I think he has a few more years left. One thing I'm wondering is how his game is going to change. He's already started to rely more on his jumpshot. He's said recently that he wants to continue to work and improve on his jumpshot and knowing how these injuries have mentally affected him I think we'll see Manu becoming more and more of a jump shooter and less slashing to the basket.

[Culburn369]

He's said recently that he wants to continue to work and improve on his jumpshot and knowing how these injuries have mentally affected him I think we'll see Manu becoming more and more of a jump shooter and less slashing to the basket.

If that turns out to be reality, then he's not Manu. His caveat was his ability to impose his will on the oppoent, breaking them physically, while simultaneously destroying them mentally. It was in his eyes, the open contempt for his opponent, refusing to even acknowledge their physical presence in the midst of the chaos he'd just executed.

He.never.said.a.word.

It was gorgeous upon sight. Even this LakersWhore joyfully acknowledges that.

[TheManFromAcme]

Are you serious? The Spurs had a 20 point lead 4 times and the only time they held on to it was when Manu played well. The Spurs rotation that year needed Manu to pick up the scoring load and when he didn't the Spurs found themselves behind or with their lead lost. A healthy Manu in 2008 and the Spurs face the Celtics in the finals.

Getting into this rather late but I must ask;

I understand the "Spurs rotation needing Manu" bit what does it say OVERALL about a team that loses 20 point leads 4 times?

4 times?

I am just asking Phila.

[Dunc n Dave]

Shasta, forget it, you don't want a discussion, you want revenge. Revenge for the Lakers winning the title and you stuck with a MASH unit.

Tough beans.

Culburn avoiding answering the question, to save his ass...

[Dunc n Dave]

Dominate players such as Kobe and Gasol tend to carry their skill level at least until 35 years of age. Right now, Kobe and Gasol is the best one-two punch in the league, and have been for the past two seasons. No one is even close to that combo right now.

You gonna keep skating around the fact that you contradict yourself with this statement? And you are full of shit if you try to save your ass by saying Gasol is a dominant player and Duncan isn't...

Duncan's only 33, and was still ALL NBA 2nd Team PF. Where was Gasol if he's more dominant?

[Culburn369]

Culburn avoiding answering the question, to save his ass...

Please.

[Culburn369]

And you are full of shit if you try to save your ass by saying Gasol is a dominant player and Duncan isn't

I'll go half way...Duncan is not a dominant player any longer. Gasol is on the precipice of that dominant designation, but I can't declare it.

[Shastafarian]

I see the point you making but they never had a twenty point lead more than once. They had a 17 point lead, and all of the other games, they never even say the lead.

You either can't read or you just like lying.


Game 1
5:54 Tim Duncan makes 7-foot hook shot 65-45

Game 3
6:54 66-86 Brent Barry makes 26-foot three point jumper (Fabricio Oberto assists)

3:00 78-98 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2

2:46 80-100 Ime Udoka makes free throw 1 of 2

Game 5
10:18 Brent Barry makes 26-foot three point jumper (Manu Ginobili assists) 33-16

4:33 Tony Parker makes driving layup 42-26



3 different games (you're wrong about it being 2) with leads of 16 points and up.

I'm leaning towards can't read.

[Culburn369]

You either can't read or you just like lying.

Pot meet kettle.

[Culburn369]

It's true, Shasta, you do look like a dunski, sonny.

[La Peace]

Well, do you think Bynum is coming back 100% healthy, OP? Most non laker fans don't care because they tend to assume he is just not going to be healthy. Which is completely acceptable, but I am not going around starting threads about it or how it "upsets me". Because it doesn't. What will happen will happen and I just hope my team is healthy.

And I used this example because the last two years they both have yielded the same results come season's end becaues of injury. Last two years Manu has either been out of the playoffs (09) or sucked horribly in the play offs because of injury (08). Same goes for Bynum just flip the years. When healthy they are both difference makers.

[Shastafarian]

Pot meet kettle.

:lol I asked for a clarification since you said I was wrong. Never got it.

[Shastafarian]

Looks like you cant read. Your Spur brethren said in four games that you guys blew 20 point leads. Can you count?


I see the point you making but they never had a twenty point lead more than once. They had a 17 point lead, and all of the other games, they never even say the lead.

It's irrelevant what anyone else is saying. I corrected you once and you either ignored it or can't read.


It's true, Shasta, you do look like a dunski, sonny.

Says the Laker fan on a Spurs fan forum.

[Culburn369]

Says the Laker fan on a Spurs fan forum.

Horseshit. It's the NBA Forum. I wouldn't be caught dead in the Spurs fan area of this site.

[anakha]

What was the point of all this arguing again?

[Shastafarian]

Please.

http://karimcintoshdesign.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/pussy-galore.jpg

[Culburn369]

What was the point of all this arguing again?

Lee missed those two layups and Howard missed those free throws.

[Shastafarian]

Horseshit. It's the NBA Forum. I wouldn't be caught dead in the Spurs fan area of this site.

hahaha so you just happened to wander to a site with the url www.spurstalk.com?

[anakha]

Lee missed those two layups and Howard missed those free throws.

So it's not about Ginobili anymore? :headscratch

[Shastafarian]

So it's not about Ginobili anymore? :headscratch

It's about a couple Laker fans not know the meaning of some very simple words.

[Culburn369]

hahaha so you just happened to wander to a site with the url www.spurstalk.com? (http://www.spurstalk.com?)

No, Suns fans had recommended this place many times.

[Shastafarian]

No, Suns fans had recommended this place many times.

Lakers Ground not doin it for ya?

[anakha]

Alright...

Pardon the interruption, carry on with... whatever this debate is about.

[Culburn369]

Lakers Ground not doin it for ya?

I don't do Lakers sites. They're tedious and beneath me. I've never posted on one in my life. I do Suns site, but, I'm banned from all of them. So, Kori heard thru the grapevine my predicament and sent me a nice telegram inviting me to join. I came aboard, starting trol....I mean started posting. Dunc started peeking up my kimono, and the rest is pretty well as you see it.

[Dunc n Dave]

I'll go half way...Duncan is not a dominant player any longer. Gasol is on the precipice of that dominant designation, but I can't declare it.

So you agree that Gasol is not a dominant player. Was that so hard to do? Gosh, it was like pulling teeth getting it out of you...:toast

[Culburn369]

So you agree that Gasol is not a dominant player. Was that so hard to do? Gosh, it was like pulling teeth getting it out of you...:toast

Christ, don't you have any original materiel, Dunc? gd copycat, you.

[Dunc n Dave]

I don't do Lakers sites. They're tedious and beneath me. I've never posted on one in my life. I do Suns site, but, I'm banned from all of them. So, Kori heard thru the grapevine my predicament and sent me a nice telegram inviting me to join. I came aboard, starting trol....I mean started posting. Dunc started peeking up my kimono, and the rest is pretty well as you see it.

Yep, sums up your 800 posts of crap in 2 weeks contribution to this board in a nutshell.:toast

[Dunc n Dave]

Christ, don't you have any original materiel, Dunc? gd copycat, you.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander...:toast

Can't you take what you so willingly dish out?

[Culburn369]

Yep, sums up your 800 posts of crap in 2 weeks contribution to this board in a nutshell.:toast

Usually takes me longer than that. You guys were lit up pretty bright before I got here.

jejejeje!!!

[Culburn369]

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander...:toast

Can't you take what you so willingly dish out?

Hell yes, I can, that's the fun of it.

[Leetonidas]

:lmao @ this topic.

[Dunc n Dave]

Hell yes, I can, that's the fun of it.

Then quit bitching about other people "using your material." Not like you have it copyrighted.

You're like a broken record with your pot shots anyway. Get some orignal material, why don't you...;)

[Culburn369]

Then quit bitching about other people "using your material." Not like you have it copyrighted.

You're like a broken record with your pot shots anyway. Get some orignal material, why don't you...;)

It's horseshit. It's wrong to use my materiel, Dunc. All kidding aside, it's not right, dude.

[Dunc n Dave]

It's horseshit. It's wrong to use my materiel, Dunc. All kidding aside, it's not right, dude.

And why is that? Please explain the SpursTalk NBA Forum arts to me...:toast

[Dunc n Dave]

Come back soon, Culburn. I'm ready to bust your chops again when you finish watching Matlock re-runs.

[peskypesky]

this topic makes me sleepy

[Dunc n Dave]

Dominate players such as Kobe and Gasol tend to carry their skill level at least until 35 years of age. Right now, Kobe and Gasol is the best one-two punch in the league, and have been for the past two seasons. No one is even close to that combo right now.



You gonna keep skating around the fact that you contradict yourself with this statement? And you are full of shit if you try to save your ass by saying Gasol is a dominant player and Duncan isn't...

Duncan's only 33, and was still ALL NBA 2nd Team PF. Where was Gasol if he's more dominant?


These Laker trolls sure do turn tail and run when you catch them contradicting themselves. Not to worry, he'll be starting another thread tomorrow about Richard Jefferson being gay to get back to his trolling ways.

[tlongII]

Spurs fans just can't accept that it's over for them. Duncan was great, but not any longer. That's what happens when you have arthritic knees.

[Dunc n Dave]

The Spurs years of winning titles are over. Duncan will never taste a repeat, and unless he leaves the Spurs, he will spend the rest of his days losing to the Lakers. We are built for a 4-5 year run.

If that's complementing Duncan, it sure was backhanded. You talk about Duncan not being able winning another one, yet your argument for the Lakers being able to win again is that Kobe and Gasol will play at a high level until they are 35? Bullshit...

Are you saying Duncan at 33 and Ginobili at 32 CAN'T play at a championship level, but Kobe/Pau can until they are 35? Please...

Pau is 29, we'll see in 3 years if he can average nearly 20 and 10 at age 32 like Duncan did. I'll bet he can't...., he's even less athletic than Duncan and has a lower Bball IQ to boot. He'll be lucky to average 12pt and 6 rebounds at age 32.

[IronMexican]

He'll be lucky to average 12pt and 6 rebounds at age 32.

:lol

[johngateswhiteley]

Spurs fans just can't accept that it's over for them. Duncan was great, but not any longer. That's what happens when you have arthritic knees.

ok...i don't understand posts like these. they are a complete waste of time and add nothing to the forum...or anything for that matter. no substance, not clever and not entertaining. i'm not picking on just you tlong...half the damn board posts like they are in 5th grade. boggles the mind...

[DAF86]

That's just because he signed with the Lakers, DAF.

Wrong. Go ask any poster that has been here more than a few months and you'll see that I always say the same about Arstest, even when there was a romour about the Spurs getting him.

[Culburn369]

ok...i don't understand posts like these.

Loved ones (that is you, John) are usually the first to condemn the truth.

[Muser]

Only on spurstalk.

[sabar]

Lmao at ANOTHER thread with laker fans reassuring themselves that the spurs are no threat.

Lakaluva is as obsessed with the spurs as he is about RJs sexuality. Both are a bit disturbing.

[Culburn369]

Lmao at ANOTHER thread with laker fans reassuring themselves that the spurs are no threat.

We watched the Mavs. At 4-1 they assured you & I both.

[DAF86]

We watched the Mavs. At 4-1 they assured you & I both.

Spurs line-up vs Mavs-

Tony
Mason
Finley
Bonner
Duncan

Rotation players-
Bowen
Thomas
Gooden
(Hill played to little to late)



Spurs expected line-up for this season

Tony
Manu
RJ
Dice
Duncan

Rotation players-

Hill
Mason
Blair
Mahinmi

Big difference don't you think?

[Culburn369]

Yer old & decrepit, DAF. Yer entire first 5 has played a lot of games, Parker included.

& your bench is woeful.

[Shastafarian]

& your bench is woeful.

I'm your 6th man!

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/dhays17/Sasha18.jpg

[Culburn369]

I'm your 6th man!

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/dhays17/Sasha18.jpg

Citing my woefuls ain't gonna make yer woefuls any better, Shasta.

[DAF86]

Does this seem like the highlights of a guy that's done?

gW3DxZB0tQE

[Shastafarian]

Citing my woefuls ain't gonna make yer woefuls any better, Shasta.

The comparison does just that. Kinda funny you say the Spurs bench is "woeful" when (assuming Odom doesn't re-sign) Sasha Vujacic is your 6th man. Even if Odom does re-sign, the Lakers depth is mediocre at best. Not sure why you would criticize our bench when yours is infested with termites.

[Muser]

Metallica in a NBA mix? Didn't think i'd see that.

[Culburn369]

The comparison does just that. Kinda funny you say the Spurs bench is "woeful" when (assuming Odom doesn't re-sign) Sasha Vujacic is your 6th man. Even if Odom does re-sign, the Lakers depth is mediocre at best. Not sure why you would criticize our bench when yours is infested with termites.

Your bench is woeful. How does citing my woeful bench make yours less woeful.

[Shastafarian]

Your bench is woeful. How does citing my woeful bench make yours less woeful.

Sorry I should've explained better. I don't think our bench is woeful. My citing that your bench is shit should've gone to better show (you) how woeful your bench is.

[Culburn369]

Sorry I should've explained better. I don't think our bench is woeful. My citing that your bench is shit should've gone to better show (you) how woeful your bench is.

But, your bench is woeful. My bench is woeful. Citing my woeful bench to make your woeful bench look better is silly, Shasta.

[Shastafarian]

But, your bench is woeful. Not really.
George Hill - If nothing more a better than average defender
Manu Ginobili or Roger Mason Jr. - If Manu is healthy, and all signs say he is, he's the best 6th man in the league. If he ends up starting, Mason Jr. could be up there as well in terms of excellent 6th men. You Laker fans saw how clutch he can be
Malik Hairston/Michael Finley - eh. Potential but not much more (Hairston). Finley sucks but he can shoot on occasion.
DeJuan Blair - Again, potential and not much more as of now. But he could be a great rebounder
Ian Mahinmi - good for 6 fouls!



My bench is woeful. Citing my woeful bench to make your woeful bench look better is silly, Shasta.

Spurs bench >>>>>>>> Lakers bench

[Culburn369]

Not really.
George Hill - If nothing more a better than average defender
Manu Ginobili or Roger Mason Jr. - If Manu is healthy, and all signs say he is, he's the best 6th man in the league. If he ends up starting, Mason Jr. could be up there as well in terms of excellent 6th men. You Laker fans saw how clutch he can be
Malik Hairston/Michael Finley - eh. Potential but not much more (Hairston). Finley sucks but he can shoot on occasion.
DeJuan Blair - Again, potential and not much more as of now. But he could be a great rebounder
Ian Mahinmi - good for 6 fouls!




Spurs bench >>>>>>>> Lakers bench

Yer a sneaky little shit, Shasta. First you put Manu in the starting lineup. Then after I nail your ass to the wall you put him the on the bench.

That ain't right.

[Shastafarian]

Yer a sneaky little shit, Shasta. First you put Manu in the starting lineup. Then after I nail your ass to the wall you put him the on the bench.

That ain't right.

When did I put him in the starting lineup other than just then in that post? How does even make a difference when I talk about both scenarios?

[DAF86]

Yer a sneaky little shit, Shasta. First you put Manu in the starting lineup. Then after I nail your ass to the wall you put him the on the bench.

That ain't right.

I put Manu on the starting line-up try to keep up.

[DAF86]

Not really.
George Hill - If nothing more a better than average defender
Manu Ginobili or Roger Mason Jr. - If Manu is healthy, and all signs say he is, he's the best 6th man in the league. If he ends up starting, Mason Jr. could be up there as well in terms of excellent 6th men. You Laker fans saw how clutch he can be
Malik Hairston/Michael Finley - eh. Potential but not much more (Hairston). Finley sucks but he can shoot on occasion.
DeJuan Blair - Again, potential and not much more as of now. But he could be a great rebounder
Ian Mahinmi - good for 6 fouls!




Spurs bench >>>>>>>> Lakers bench

Let's not even mention that if everything goes according to the plan we would have one of the best 3 point shooter last season as our 11th or 12th man.

[Culburn369]

I put Manu on the starting line-up try to keep up.

Uh, oh, sorry about calling you a sneaky little shit, Shasta.

[Shastafarian]

Uh, oh, sorry about calling you a sneaky little shit, Shasta.

It happens

[Culburn369]

Well, I got my 900th. I'm goin' back to bed, fellows.

Night-night.

[benefactor]

& the Spurs fandom agreed with ya until you all pulled their pants down in front of everybody 4-1 and then only the one charter left central Florida for California after Game 5.

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

We watched the Mavs. At 4-1 they assured you & I both.

...just like saying things like "lol Spurs fan! You got handled by the Mavs in the first round last year think you can beat us now? lolololol!" is retarded. That doesn't stop them from continuing to do it though.
:sleep

[Leetonidas]

Spurs bench >>>>> Lakers bench.

Manu will not be starting, so that gives the Spurs a bench of:

Ginobili
Hill
Hairston
Blair
Bonner/Haislip

While the second unit for the Lakers looks like:

Vujacic
Farmar
Walton
Brown
Mbenga/Powell

Spurs bench >>>>>> Lakers bench, and it ain't even close. :lmao

[The_Game]

the fact manu is 32 and has injury problems is a big sign and a trend could be likely..one more injury and he is done.

[Culburn369]

Spurs bench >>>>> Lakers bench.

Manu will not be starting, so that gives the Spurs a bench of:

Ginobili
Hill
Hairston
Blair
Bonner/Haislip

While the second unit for the Lakers looks like:

Vujacic
Farmar
Walton
Brown
Mbenga/Powell

Spurs bench >>>>>> Lakers bench, and it ain't even close. :lmao

Odom is on our bench and he cancels Manu out, provided Trapper John releases Manu from MASH.

[Dunc n Dave]

Odom is on our bench and he cancels Manu out, provided Trapper John releases Manu from MASH.

LOL @ Lakerfan actually believing Odom=Manu. The same guy your Laker brethren complain is inconsistent and plays with no heart 90% of the time?

Oh I get it now, you must be an old hippie. Keep on puffin and buying your own bullshit. Next you'll say that Luke Walton is a future HOF'er...

[Dunc n Dave]

the fact manu is 32 and has injury problems is a big sign and a trend could be likely..one more injury and he is done.

The fact that Andrew Bynum is 21 and has had 2 MAJOR injuries says a lot more...

Big men with knee surgeries don't have a history of getting beck to their pre-surgery form very often. Oh but Bynum is a Laker, so he's superhuman and can do it, right?

[IronMexican]

LOL @ Lakerfan actually believing Odom=Manu. The same guy your Laker brethren complain is inconsistent and plays with no heart 90% of the time?

Oh I get it now, you must be an old hippie. Keep on puffin and buying your own bullshit. Next you'll say that Luke Walton is a future HOF'er...

I don't think Odom plays without heart. He definitely plays without a brain at times, though.

[Culburn369]

The fact that Andrew Bynum is 21 and has had 2 MAJOR injuries says a lot more.

Dunc, do you know for a fact that he actually got cut on those injuries? I was under an impression that it was just physical rehab.

I ain't f'in around or tryin' to set you up. I honestly don't know and would like to confirm the particulars.

[Dunc n Dave]

Dunc, do you know for a fact that he actually got cut on those injuries? I was under an impression that it was just physical rehab.

I ain't f'in around or tryin' to set you up. I honestly don't know and would like to confirm the particulars.

The one that ended his 2008 season was a surgery. Arthroscopic surgery on his left knee. Had one of those done myself in high school.

The one in 2009 was a torn MCL in his RIGHT knee. (2 bad knees!) No actual surgery on that one.

[Culburn369]

Thanks.

[mytespurs]

Just perusing the various post in this thread, if you didn't know better, you'd think Manu is finished....he should just retire! :lol

If for some inane reason, the Spurs decide not to attempt to resign Ginobili, I would love to see just how many teams would line up in an attempt to sign him. I'd think that line will be pretty long providing his health is good.

[Culburn369]

providing his health is good.

:rolleyes

[ffadicted]

I don't care if Manu has an amazing season, I just want him to have an amazing playoff run in the 20-some actually important games of the year.