'Unfair': T.O. wants Vick in NFL

[JudynTX]

:rolleyes


PITTSFORD, N.Y. (AP) - Terrell Owens wants Michael Vick to be reinstated immediately by the NFL, and said any extension of the quarterback's suspension would be similar to "kicking a dead horse."

Speaking after the Buffalo Bills training camp practice Sunday morning, the star receiver referred to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's handling of Vick's status as "unfair." Owens also lobbied to have more of the league's high-profile players voicing their opinion in support of Vick and asked the NFL Players Association to become more involved.

"I think he's done the time for what he's done. I don't think it's really fair for him to be suspended four more games," Owens said, referring to reports that the NFL is considering to further punish Vick. "It's almost like kicking a dead horse in the ground. ... The guy's already suffered so much. And to add a four-game suspension on a two-year prison sentence, that's ridiculous."

Vick met with Goodell this week but has yet to learn when he will be allowed to resume his NFL career. The former Falcons star was suspended indefinitely in August 2007 after he admitted bankrolling a dogfighting operation.

Vick has served a 23-month federal sentence and was freed from home confinement on July 20. He must still serve three years' probation.

Owens said Vick deserves a second chance.

"Why shouldn't he? I mean, there's a lot more guys around the league that have done far more worst things than that and gotten second chances," Owens said.


Owens said he would welcome Vick as a teammate.

"Michael Vick is a guy that really hasn't any character issues besides what he got a prison sentence for, so why not?" he said.

Bills safety George Wilson, the team's NFLPA representative, agreed with Owens.

"How do you bring a man out of suspension and then suspend him again? I mean, he's paid his debt," Wilson said. "I think you just continue to hold him down by bringing him back and then suspend him."

Wilson said he intends to discuss Vick's status with Owens and other teammates to determine whether to bring the Bills players' position to the union.

"We'll see where it goes, but I think Terrell is right in stating his position," Wilson said. "This is an instance where perhaps our players association needs to try to get involved."

The union's position has been that it will support Vick on a personal level until Goodell decides how to proceed. NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith met with Vick this past week, and intends to discuss the player's status with Goodell.

The Bills have declined comment on discussing Vick.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9854202/Owens-says-NFL-should-reinstate-Vick

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:cry

[Dr. Gonzo]

I agree that he should be back in the league because he did serve his sentence and should get a second chance, I don't think a 4 game suspension is too harsh. T.O. needs to learn how to shut the hell up and mind his own business.

[manufan10]

I disagree. I think T.O. standing up for Vick is a good thing. I also think that more guys should rally around him. He paid his debt to society. He's already been suspended, along with serving a prison sentence. I applaud T.O.'s comments, and hope to hear from more athletes on behalf of Vick. T.O. is right when he said people have done far worse and been given a second chance, like Leonard Little.

[BacktoBasics]

If Roger believes that Vick's troubles are truly behind him he should just reinstate him and be done with it. Piling on like this doesn't accomplish anything. He served his time (more than he should have) and has had his life displaced to the most extreme degree possible. Its over. Lessons have been learned and the little rich black guy probably knows better than to fuck up again. We don't need Roger condecending standing over him flexing his power and might. Let it be already. If he wants this guy to turn his life around and be a productive member of the league then quit piling on.

[Phillip]

I agree that Vick should just be back already.

But at the same time, I think he is making sure that Vick stands as an example for others, showing the price to pay for such stupid actions. I really hope that he does succeed when he comes back. He could really be a great figure and story for the NFL if he does so.

[Spursfan092120]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132175

[ducks]

should be game 2 not 6
idiots

[The Franchise]

For the first time ever I actually agree with Terrell. How do you bring a player off of suspension only to suspend him again? :wtf

[CubanSucks]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132175

[Spursfan092120]

For the first time ever I actually agree with Terrell. How do you bring a player off of suspension only to suspend him again? :wtf
Well, firstly, he hasn't been suspended for this particular action...and it's been stated already that the state's punishment isn't the NFL's punishment. I don't know why we are complaining about this..if any of us did something like this, we'd be fired...Michael should be ecstatic about this.

[ratm1221]

People go to prison all the time and don't have a job waiting for them when they get out. Most of them can't find a job period. Why does this scumbag deserve a second chance and others don't?

I don't see any of you protesting all the jobs that don't hire convicted felons.

[ratm1221]

Additionally, who here would still have their job if they got convicted of a felony and went to jail?

[jack sommerset]

Additionally, who here would still have their job if they got convicted of a felony and went to jail?

Who here would go to jail for fighting dogs?

[Spursfan092120]

Who here would go to jail for fighting dogs?
Um...anybody..if they got caught..it's against the law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting
North America

Main article: Dog fighting in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting_in_the_United_States)
Dog fighting is illegal in all North American countries.
According to a study by the College of Law of Michigan State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University) published in 2005, in the United States, dog fighting was once completely legal and was sanctioned and promoted during the colonial period (1600s through 1776) and continuing through the Victorian era in the late 19th century. However, by the early twentieth century, the brutality inherent in dog fighting was no longer tolerated by American society. It has become increasingly outlawed, a trend which has continued into the 21st century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_century).
As of 2008, dog fighting is a felony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony) in all states. It is against the law (and often a felony) to even attend a dog fighting event, regardless of direct participation. According to authorities, dog fighting is increasingly practiced by gangs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang) in low income areas of the United States, and is linked to other unlawful activities, such as illegal gambling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_gambling) and prostitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution).
Despite legality issues, dogs are still commonly used for fighting purposes all across the continent. The American Pit Bull Terrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier) is the most popular breed used for fighting, but foreign breeds, such as the Dogo Argentino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino) (used widely in South America) and Presa Canario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presa_Canario) (used in Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain)) are also gaining popularity.
A 2003 Associated Press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press) poll indicated that 81% of Americans over the age of 18 rated dog fighting as America's most hated sport.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting#cite_note-2)

[Spursfan092120]

People go to prison all the time and don't have a job waiting for them when they get out. Most of them can't find a job period. Why does this scumbag deserve a second chance and others don't?

I don't see any of you protesting all the jobs that don't hire convicted felons.
I agree 100%. Dude is getting off easy with only a 6 game suspension. Especially since he'll be able to play 2 preseason games and go to every practice.

[jack sommerset]

Um...anybody..if they got caught..it's against the law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting
North America

Main article: Dog fighting in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting_in_the_United_States)
Dog fighting is illegal in all North American countries.
According to a study by the College of Law of Michigan State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University) published in 2005, in the United States, dog fighting was once completely legal and was sanctioned and promoted during the colonial period (1600s through 1776) and continuing through the Victorian era in the late 19th century. However, by the early twentieth century, the brutality inherent in dog fighting was no longer tolerated by American society. It has become increasingly outlawed, a trend which has continued into the 21st century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_century).
As of 2008, dog fighting is a felony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony) in all states. It is against the law (and often a felony) to even attend a dog fighting event, regardless of direct participation. According to authorities, dog fighting is increasingly practiced by gangs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang) in low income areas of the United States, and is linked to other unlawful activities, such as illegal gambling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_gambling) and prostitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution).
Despite legality issues, dogs are still commonly used for fighting purposes all across the continent. The American Pit Bull Terrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier) is the most popular breed used for fighting, but foreign breeds, such as the Dogo Argentino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino) (used widely in South America) and Presa Canario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presa_Canario) (used in Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain)) are also gaining popularity.
A 2003 Associated Press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press) poll indicated that 81% of Americans over the age of 18 rated dog fighting as America's most hated sport.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting#cite_note-2)


Give me a break. If this was ur average Joe in America he would not have gone to jail. But it was Vick. Sometimes it does not pay to be rich and famous.

[JoeChalupa]

Vick paid his dues. Let him play.

[CubanSucks]

Give me a break. If this was ur average Joe in America he would not have gone to jail. But it was Vick. Sometimes it does not pay to be rich and famous.

Yeah because federal charges never apply to average joes? That's pretty much the stupidest comment I've seen in this argument so far. So with your logic, pretty much every felon was at one time famous

[Spurs da champs]

WTF is Roger Goodell trying to prove with this 4 game suspension? He already served his time Vick's not getting any younger & Goodell is ruining his chance of signing with a team & getting his career back on track.

[jack sommerset]

Yeah because federal charges never apply to average joes? That's pretty much the stupidest comment I've seen in this argument so far. So with your logic, pretty much every felon was at one time famous

Dude....NFL players get away with fucking MURDER....For real. No bullshit. I am going to repeat it for you. NFL players get away with MURDER. So you must be thinking, cuz logic dictates this, why in the fuck can a NFL player get away with MURDER of a human but not a dog?Logic is sooo important to you. You are such a logical dude. First do u get out of the house, do you read the paper and/or do you watch the news?

If it was a human the guy would have walked or spent a few months in the cling. But PETA jumped down this asses face because he was a star. Some would argue the face of the NFL. 100 million dollar man.It was not about the dog fighting it was about PETA getting attention. When the fuck have you heard about anybody going to jail for dog fighting? They acted like Vick was the head of some mafia family. This guy did this as a fucking lark, a hobby, some little form of entertainment for him and his buddies. Without looking it up in some tiny lil place on the internet, when have you heard of anyone going to jail for beating a animal to death let alone having two animals fight each other.

What did PETA do after Vick went to jail, they made jokes about it. They made freaken Christmas cards. They kept embarassing themselves. BECAUSE,,,,this is a very important part for you...They want attention. They don't give a fuck what kind of attention they get, they just want attention and Vick was the best goddamn thing that happen to PETA in the history of PETA. If Vick was not famous, this would have been swept under the rug.

When professionals speak of NFL teams signing Vick what is the biggest reasons they say teams want to stay away from him? PETA. People will gather outside a practice facility,stadium,houses of a person that goes to dog fights but if a player makes it rain at a strip bar and people get shot they are no where to be found. Logic..hahaha

[Spursfan092120]

Give me a break. If this was ur average Joe in America he would not have gone to jail. But it was Vick. Sometimes it does not pay to be rich and famous.
are you completely insane? Anyone who gets caught fighting dogs gets prison time...Not only did he fight the dogs, it was his house that they fought at. If you think this was a case of "the PAIN of being a celebrity," you're completely ignorant. He got off easy...he fucking electrocuted dogs, and threw them against the wall until they couldn't move. That is illegal...it is a felony. Police don't let people go for felonies.

[Spursfan092120]

Dude....NFL players get away with fucking MURDER....For real. No bullshit. I am going to repeat it for you. NFL players get away with MURDER. So you must be thinking, cuz logic dictates this, why in the fuck can a NFL player get away with MURDER of a human but not a dog?Logic is sooo important to you. You are such a logical dude. First do u get out of the house, do you read the paper and/or do you watch the news?

If it was a human the guy would have walked or spent a few months in the cling. But PETA jumped down this asses face because he was a star. Some would argue the face of the NFL. 100 million dollar man.It was not about the dog fighting it was about PETA getting attention. When the fuck have you heard about anybody going to jail for dog fighting? They acted like Vick was the head of some mafia family. This guy did this as a fucking lark, a hobby, some little form of entertainment for him and his buddies. Without looking it up in some tiny lil place on the internet, when have you heard of anyone going to jail for beating a animal to death let alone having two animals fight each other.

What did PETA do after Vick went to jail, they made jokes about it. They made freaken Christmas cards. They kept embarassing themselves. BECAUSE,,,,this is a very important part for you...They want attention. They don't give a fuck what kind of attention they get, they just want attention and Vick was the best goddamn thing that happen to PETA in the history of PETA. If Vick was not famous, this would have been swept under the rug.

When professionals speak of NFL teams signing Vick what is the biggest reasons they say teams want to stay away from him? PETA. People will gather outside a practice facility,stadium,houses of a person that goes to dog fights but if a player makes it rain at a strip bar and people get shot they are no where to be found. Logic..hahaha
You go spend "a few months in the clink" for electrocuting dogs and see if you have a job when you get back. Dumbass....6 weeks of not playing in games is getting off easy.

[jack sommerset]

Anyone who gets caught fighting dogs gets prison time....

Prove it.

[Spursfan092120]

WTF is Roger Goodell trying to prove with this 4 game suspension? He already served his time Vick's not getting any younger & Goodell is ruining his chance of signing with a team & getting his career back on track.
Roger Goodell has said many times that prison is not the NFL's punishment, that they will be seperate. Michael Vick is going to be able to play after week 6, most likely, but at the same time, can play in 2 preseason games, and can practice in every practice. He is a role model, like it or not. It's part of the deal when you're in the public eye and are the highest paid QB in NFL history. When the guy that everyone is supposed to look up to becomes a convicted felon, he needs to get a suspension. Adam Jones served prison time and then got a suspension. It's a precedent. Goodell made the rule a long time ago, and it will stand.

[Spursfan092120]

Prove it.
lol...idiot. Prove that someone got caught and didn't.

[jack sommerset]

lol...idiot. Prove that someone got caught and didn't.

How olds are you. This is really important. If I am wasting my time talking to some 13 year old girl well, it is a COMPLETE waste of time..OK

Idiot....Read the people who testified against Vick. I think 3-4 went to jail the rest walked off into the sunset. Watch the 60 minutes show about dog fighting they aired when all this went down..... If you are indeed being honest with yourself ( i think you are either some teenage girl or a true fucking dumbass) you can't say with a straight face if they get caught they go to jail. Please have some humility and just go away.

[Spursfan092120]

How olds are you. This is really important. If I am wasting my time talking to some 13 year old girl well, it is a COMPLETE waste of time..OK

Idiot....Read the people who testified against Vick. I think 3-4 went to jail the rest walked off into the sunset. Watch the 60 minutes show about dog fighting they aired when all this went down..... If you are indeed being honest with yourself ( i think you are either some teenage girl or a true fucking dumbass) you can't say with a straight face if they get caught they go to jail. Please have some humility and just go away.
How olds am I? What language is that? I'm 29 years old. And if you think that he's getting punished harder because he's a celebrity, you're the one who needs to realize how ignorant you're being right now. Those people who walked only walked BECAUSE they testified against the guy who started the whole thing. It was at his house that the fights occured. A man in Cottonwood, Alabama named Johnny Ray Lewis was sentenced to 102 years in prison for dogfighting back in 2007. 38 pit bulls died. The judge said it was a "mid range" sentence. He will most likely get out after 34 years, because most people serve one third of their term. Christopher Simmons in Dorchester County, South Carolina was given 16 years for dogfighting back in 2006. Vick did nothing less than these guys...and he only received 20 months in prison. At the same time, he showed no remorse initially...he did not even act remorsefully until he was sentenced. That's not going to help your situation with the judge. Wake up...it's a felony...he only got 20 months. He should be ecstatic. He broke the rules of the league as the highest paid player of the leagues highest profile position. He was going to get suspended...it's the rules. There'd be more outrage if he didn't.

[jack sommerset]

It's ogga booga,slang,jive talk......You want to stick with all people who get caught dog fighting go to jail that is ur business. Good day sir.

[Spursfan092120]

It's ogga booga,slang,jive talk......You want to stick with all people who get caught dog fighting go to jail that is ur business. Good day sir.
See ya...peace.

[Goran Dragic]

Vick shoulda thought about all of those when he was mutilating and killing dogs.

[Spursfan092120]

Vick shoulda thought about all of those when he was mutilating and killing dogs.
damn right.

[ulosturedge]

I don't think Vick is crying about his suspension i'm sure he's just glad to be reinstated, and i'm sure Goodell was worried about feeling some heat if he just let Vick walk right back into the league. He doesn't want every dog lover and animal activist to cry foul and cause headaches for the league.

T.O has the right to voice his opinion. It won't help Vick's situation one bit, but maybe any future situations like this will be looked at more closely cause of it.

[CubanSucks]

It's ogga booga,slang,jive talk......You want to stick with all people who get caught dog fighting go to jail that is ur business. Good day sir.

(translation)

"I lose"

[Spursfan092120]

I don't think Vick is crying about his suspension i'm sure he's just glad to be reinstated, and i'm sure Goodell was worried about feeling some heat if he just let Vick walk right back into the league. He doesn't want every dog lover and animal activist to cry foul and cause headaches for the league.

T.O has the right to voice his opinion. It won't help Vick's situation one bit, but maybe any future situations like this will be looked at more closely cause of it.
I agree that TO has the right to voice his opinion. I also agree it won't help Vick. I don't think it really matters what they think. Goodell laid the law down, and I, for one, am glad. Too many football players have been getting away with too much before Goodell came in, and he's doing a good job. Leonard Little killed someone while drunk behind the wheel, and then got busted for ANOTHER DWI. He still plays today. In my NFL, he'd be banned for life. That's just ridiculous. The NFL is not a right, it's a privilege, so no one can give me this, "he has the right to earn a living" bullshit. Yes...he does..go work construction. I hear the one Michael Vick was working for has an opening now.

[Goran Dragic]

Also, I'm tired of the race card being pulled here. Sometimes there is racial discrimination (Pacman Jones for instance), but he fuckin plead guilty to a crime. I can't stand hearing, "If Peyton Manning and Tom Brady did this they wouldn't get the punishment he got."

Guess what, neither one of those two are dumb enough to risk an NFL career in order to run a dog fighting ring, so STFU until there is evidence to back that up.

[Spursfan092120]

Also, I'm tired of the race card being pulled here. Sometimes there is racial discrimination (Pacman Jones for instance), but he fuckin plead guilty to a crime. I can't stand hearing, "If Peyton Manning and Tom Brady did this they wouldn't get the punishment he got."

Guess what, neither one of those two are dumb enough to risk an NFL career in order to run a dog fighting ring, so STFU until there is evidence to back that up.
Exactly...I didn't even know the race card was pulled. That's just BS...dude did it..period...he admitted it..has nothing to do with color. If you're stupid enough to do something like this, and waste a career in which you were the highest played QB in NFL history, you deserve everything you get.

[Goran Dragic]

Exactly...I didn't even know the race card was pulled. That's just BS...dude did it..period...he admitted it..has nothing to do with color. If you're stupid enough to do something like this, and waste a career in which you were the highest played QB in NFL history, you deserve everything you get.


When he first got indicted, Al Sharpton, being the attention whore he is, said that he was being persecuted because he was a black QB.

[Spursfan092120]

When he first got indicted, Al Sharpton, being the attention whore he is, said that he was being persecuted because he was a black QB.
:rolleyes Good god...he's the biggest racist of them all.

[jack sommerset]

(translation)

"I lose"

Lose what you pathetic fucking shitbag? If the guy is in denial that ALL people who get caught dog fighting go to jail that is his business. Fact is they don't. Douchebag.:lol

[jack sommerset]

Yeah because federal charges never apply to average joes? That's pretty much the stupidest comment I've seen in this argument so far. So with your logic, pretty much every felon was at one time famous

That's a dumb post. We are talking about jail time you fuck stick and everyone who is found guilty of federal charges donot go to jail. I am still waiting for Wesley Snipes jail time. He was found guilty early this year and is still roaming the streets. He did not get probation. (Some dudes get probation fuck stick when they get caught breaking laws)He actually got sentenced to 3 years and is still out.

I really have no clue how assholes like you walk the earth.Serioulsy, I know this is just a little example but can't you see everyone does not go to jail for crimes. For anyone to make that declaration is fucking retard stupid.

We are talking about dog fighting you pathetic loser. I would bet my left nut you never heard of anyone going to jail for dog fighting until Vick. That's because noone gives a fuck. They settle this shit out of court or the feds look the other way. Why...It's fucking dog fighting. Wake the fuck up loser.

[Spursfan092120]

That's a dumb post. We are talking about jail time you fuck stick and everyone who is found guilty of federal charges donot go to jail. I am still waiting for Wesley Snipes jail time. He was found guilty early this year and is still roaming the streets. He did not get probation. (Some dudes get probation fuck stick when they get caught breaking laws)He actually got sentenced to 3 years and is still out.

I really have no clue how assholes like you walk the earth.Serioulsy, I know this is just a little example but can't you see everyone does not go to jail for crimes. For anyone to make that declaration is fucking retard stupid.

We are talking about dog fighting you pathetic loser. I would bet my left nut you never heard of anyone going to jail for dog fighting until Vick. That's because noone gives a fuck. They settle this shit out of court or the feds look the other way. Why...It's fucking dog fighting. Wake the fuck up loser.
Wow..you've got serious issues. You say HE'S an asshole..you're the one who doesn't give a shit about someone electrocuting and killing a living creature...and he's the asshole? Talk about pot and kettle. Maybe YOU don't care about dog fighting, but some people do...and those are the people who put people behind bars. If no one gave a fuck about it, it wouldn't be a felony, douchebag.

[CubanSucks]

Lose what you pathetic fucking shitbag? If the guy is in denial that ALL people who get caught dog fighting go to jail that is his business. Fact is they don't. Douchebag.:lol

Damn, I think I hit a nerve!

[CubanSucks]

That's a dumb post. We are talking about jail time you fuck stick and everyone who is found guilty of federal charges donot go to jail. I am still waiting for Wesley Snipes jail time. He was found guilty early this year and is still roaming the streets. He did not get probation. (Some dudes get probation fuck stick when they get caught breaking laws)He actually got sentenced to 3 years and is still out.

I really have no clue how assholes like you walk the earth.Serioulsy, I know this is just a little example but can't you see everyone does not go to jail for crimes. For anyone to make that declaration is fucking retard stupid.

We are talking about dog fighting you pathetic loser. I would bet my left nut you never heard of anyone going to jail for dog fighting until Vick. That's because noone gives a fuck. They settle this shit out of court or the feds look the other way. Why...It's fucking dog fighting. Wake the fuck up loser.

Look, I'm not gonna lie. Anyone who denies that there is some hypocrisy in our justice system is just blind. BUT, that is completely irrelevant considering we're talking about his punishment by the league.


BTW, I'm pretty sure Wesley Snipes appealed the ruling of whichever court was up first; and once you put yourself through our countries endless appeal system...it will be awhile before you go to prison.