If we win 60+, what are the chances Duncan wins MVP? [Archive]

HarlemHeat37

07-27-2009, 07:02 PM

No chance, and there's no chance he puts up those numbers..

I just want him to focus more on defense, and just let the offense come to him during the regular season..it would serve us better as a team, since we need that type of player..this will be the most help he's ever had..I also want him to get the DPOY instead, since he should already have at least 1..

Tony should be the only guy on our team that reaches 20 PPG during the regular season, at least IMO..

bishopospurs

07-27-2009, 07:08 PM

I think it depends on his role in the 60 + win season. I was thinking the other day, if the Spurs show signs that they have a legit shot at winning 70 games does anyone think Pop will sit his veterans or do you think he goes for the 70 win plateau? Maybe this question should be a different thread.

DesignatedT

07-27-2009, 07:08 PM

parker- 20.4ppg- 7.2apg

duncan-18.8ppg-11.0rpg-3.5apg-1.6bpg

jefferson-17.7ppg-5.0rpg-2.6apg

ginobili-15.5ppg- 4.0rpg-3.6apg

mcdyess- 8.3ppg- 8.1rpg

mason-9.6ppg- 2.5rpg- 2.0apg

MARK IT

spursfan1000

07-27-2009, 07:09 PM

I don't think it would be that hight unless he scored 20 points and 10 rebounds a game, but im guessing he will be around 17 points 9 rebounds

Hornets1

07-27-2009, 07:11 PM

If the spurs win 60+, it most likely means they were healthy. Duncan has too many goods around him to garner enough votes/stats for MVP. It really dampens his chance to win MVP, but it also gives them a better chance to win it all. What do you consider more important?:rolleyes

bishopospurs

07-27-2009, 07:13 PM

Championships>>>>>>>>>MVP Seasons

024

07-27-2009, 07:16 PM

Even if spurs approach 70 wins, Duncan won't get it. He'll probably get dpoy like garnett if the spurs defense goes back to top 3.

Spursmania

07-27-2009, 07:19 PM

zero.

TFloss32

07-27-2009, 07:24 PM

I think we're at the point where Tony would get it before Tim. The media and most fans refuse to put him above D-Will and CP3 though (even though he had better seasons than both last year).

HarlemHeat37

07-27-2009, 07:27 PM

That's another reason they wouldn't get it..it's a 1a-1b thing when it comes to the best player on this team now, and those types of players pretty much never win the MVP..

Spursfan 87

07-27-2009, 07:28 PM

No chance

jag

07-27-2009, 07:34 PM

parker- 20.4ppg- 7.2apg

duncan-18.8ppg-11.0rpg-3.5apg-1.6bpg

jefferson-17.7ppg-5.0rpg-2.6apg

ginobili-15.5ppg- 4.0rpg-3.6apg

mcdyess- 8.3ppg- 8.1rpg

mason-9.6ppg- 2.5rpg- 2.0apg

MARK IT

Thanks...now i'm completely at ease with everything.

duncan228

07-27-2009, 07:43 PM

If he averages the same stats he did last year before his injury, which were somewhere along the lines of 22/12 on 50+% shooting(228, fact check me :P)

Duncan last season:

Pre All-Star:

20.8 points (FG% .522)
10.5 boards

Post All Star:

16.4 points (FG% .462)
11 boards

duncan228

07-27-2009, 07:45 PM

Oh, I think Duncan's regular season MVP days are long gone. I'd be thrilled to see him earn another Finals MVP, but I'll take a Championship without it. :)

DesignatedT

07-27-2009, 07:57 PM

Thanks...now i'm completely at ease with everything.

yw

ElNono

07-27-2009, 08:05 PM

almost zero... we would need to win 72+ and Tim average 20-10 to be even mentioned... but then they'll come around with the douchebaggery that he has a lot of help...

Duncanonu

07-27-2009, 08:05 PM

Not a chance and who cares? There is only one goal and it is a team goal.

duncan228

07-27-2009, 08:15 PM

An info edit on the stats I used:

Duncan's first missed game because of the tendonosis was February 24. The All Star game was February 15. Using the All Star break was the easiest way to get the stats without having to do math. :lol

DesignatedT

07-27-2009, 08:19 PM

^^ pretty disturbing and noticeable when he has those knee problems... lets just hope the knees and the plantar fascitis or w/e stay far away this upcoming year.

TDMVPDPOY

07-27-2009, 08:26 PM

he needs at leasts 3bpg + 5apg to go with his 22/12 if wanna taken seriously

also needs at least top2 record imo, since there be 3-4 other teams in the running for top record also....

Frenzy

07-27-2009, 08:32 PM

i'm sure he could care less. TD wants a ring.

elbamba

07-27-2009, 11:24 PM

I would rather they win 55 games and go into the playoffs healthy

Brutalis

07-27-2009, 11:34 PM

To answer the question: 20/10 a game to be considered.

The thing is we don't need that. We need him to be a leader. I don't think he will ever not be that.

TheSullyMonster

07-28-2009, 12:06 AM

Not very good. Consistency doesn't get you on sportscenter, scoring 40, triple doubles or 20/20 games, if you're Dwight Howard do. 20/10 every night wouldn't do it. He'd probably have to go 25/13/5/2 or something. And if he has to take on that much statistical load, the spurs aren't winning 60 or going anywhere. After this offseason, I expect his stats to drop, really.

Duncan's personality, and his unselfish play at this stage of his career? Don't make him stand out. Making the extra pass was being smart, a virtue when he was younger. Now it's a symptom of age, decline, waning athleticism, and proof he can't get it done anymore. Or so sportswriters/casters tell me. Sure, Kobe has Pau. But there is no debate as to whose team it is. Same thing with LeBron, Wade, Dwight-there is no question that they own their team. The Spurs' are Duncan's by seniority, not by any sort of dominance, be it on the court or in the locker room.

Duncan's play made that statement in his MVP years, not his personality. There are other guys are making MVP statements with both, and Duncan just isn't hampered enough by his ego to try.

buttsR4rebounding

07-28-2009, 12:40 AM

Duncan will average around 30 minutes a game this year. The Spurs have so much depth in the post that Blair, Ian, Haislip and to a lesser degree Bonner and Ratliff will cut into his minutes. No way he gets MVP.

scottspurs

07-28-2009, 12:43 AM

I think Duncan is more worried about being MVP of the Finals.

angelbelow

07-28-2009, 12:54 AM

If the Spurs win the best record in the NBA by a few games, then at least one of the Spurs are gonna win MVP/DPOY/6th man/COY.

duncan228

07-28-2009, 12:55 AM

I think Duncan is more worried about being MVP of the Finals.

Duncan has never been about individual awards. I agree his focus is a Championship, but not the MVP. He was thrilled for Parker in '07.

z0sa

07-28-2009, 01:01 AM

Duncan has never been about individual awards. I agree his focus is a Championship, but not the MVP. He was thrilled for Parker in '07.

I think the Finals MVP does matter to him. Not nearly as much as the championship, and not nearly enough to hold parker or manu or whoever back from getting it (it's tim after all), but I think it does make some his aches and pains a little less when he thinks about playing and winning at a such a high level again.

DPG21920

07-28-2009, 01:15 AM

Even though Duncan does not get as excited or push for awards as much as other people, he is still a competitor and he would like these awards if he can get them. They signify that you are playing at the highest level.

He would not trade a championship for a MVP award, but he would like both if he could I would bet. It is a sign of respect and for a competitor, you want to be the best.

I do not know how good the chances would be of him winning, but if the Spurs are in the race for the top record, I can see him getting some consideration.

duncan228

07-28-2009, 01:16 AM

I think the Finals MVP does matter to him. Not nearly as much as the championship, and not nearly enough to hold parker or manu or whoever back from getting it (it's tim after all), but I think it does make some his aches and pains a little less when he thinks about playing and winning at a such a high level again.

I'm sure it matters, I'm sure all his achievements mean something to him. But I don't think it's what he focuses on, what he plays for. He's all about his team and the Championships, he always has been.

I'm sure that winning it all, and taking home that ultimate prize does help ease those pains, but we know he'd take the Championships without the MVP every time. Duncan has always been good at keeping his ego in check.

Galileo

07-28-2009, 02:28 PM

If we win 60, Duncan wins the MVP, if Duncan:

1) leads Spurs in scoring

2) averages 20 points per game

3) averages 10 rebounds per game

4) averages 2 blocks per game

5) shoots 50% from floor

6) shoots 70% from line

7) Spurs have best record in NBA

Duncan could also win the MVP if he comes close to most of these targets, and no other NBA payer has a standout MVP season.

TheSullyMonster

07-28-2009, 02:42 PM

Speaking of finals MVPs, a better question.

If Tim, Manu and Tony are all healthy-who wins the finals MVP?

JWest596

07-28-2009, 02:42 PM

First I really suspect Pop hates coaching an ASG. He's rather have the time off, he prefers to build for the play offs and get his sets and system in place for May. If the Spurs jump out for a 60+ season run, I'll be amused. he's got new pieces and I think he wants to get his defense schemes rock solid. That's where to watch. We did well on offense and wins with all our injuries last year, that hasn't changed if not will automatically improve.

Defense stats are what to watch, not W's as the latter will come on their own with the former. I suspect we'll be flying under the usual radar until after the ASG...SOP for Pop..

DAF86

07-28-2009, 03:02 PM

I think Tony will have more chances of winning the MVP than Duncan.

bigdog

07-28-2009, 04:32 PM

Tony has a better chance of getting it than Tim these days.

Tim, along with the rest of the Spurs organization, wants championships. The only award or trophy we need is the LOB.

GSH

07-28-2009, 05:14 PM

Galileo

07-28-2009, 07:23 PM

Up through the two MVP seasons, Duncan averaged about 3,000 minutes per season. That includes 98-99, when he only played 50 games, so he averaged well over 3,000 minutes for the other seasons in the first half of his career. Beginning the season after Duncan's second MVP, he has averaged about 2,500 minutes per season. That translates into about 39.3 MPG before, and 34.4 MPG after.

It's amazing that his per-game numbers didn't drop any more than they did, but you can still see the difference. If the MVP selection considered his per-36-minutes stats, he would have a shot - but that's not going to happen. Rationing Tim's minutes is one of the smarter things Popovich has done. But it means that Duncan won't be putting up the kind of gaudy numbers it takes to win an MVP award.

But he sure as hell has the numbers it takes to win another championship.

Tim's stats in 2009 per 36 minutes are better than they were in 1999, when he was cheated out of the MVP.

1999 per 36 minutes (rounded off)

points 20
boards 11
assists 2
blocks 2
steals 1
TOTAL A = 36

TO's 3
missed FG 8
missed FT 2
TOTAL B = 13

A - B = 23

2009 per 36 minutes (rounded off)

points 21
boards 11
assists 4
blocks 2
steals 1
TOTAL A = 39

TO's 2
missed FG 8
missed FT 2
TOTAL B = 12

A - B = 27

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

waly.mg

07-28-2009, 07:28 PM

oh, i think duncan's regular season mvp days are long gone. I'd be thrilled to see him earn another finals mvp, but i'll take a championship without it. :)

+1

Sigz

07-28-2009, 08:06 PM

I think the days of averaging a double double will be over this upcoming season.

iggypop123

07-28-2009, 08:19 PM

if duncan gets 22 and 12 jefferson averages 10 points a game

spursnatic

07-28-2009, 09:34 PM

Wade, Kobe, Lebron and D Howard probably have it on lock for the next 5 years due to popularity...IMO?....

Seventyniner

07-28-2009, 09:46 PM

Usually, a 60+ win team gets someone with MVP votes at the very least. If the Spurs somehow wind up with the best record in the league (~10% chance, IMO), somebody on the team should get at least some 3rd or 4th place MVP votes. Probably Parker.

mathbzh

07-29-2009, 02:33 AM

20/10 would not be enough with a 30/7/7 Lebron (or similar).
I guess with 25ppg/12rpg/4apg/3 bpg he would be taken seriously :rolleyes

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:... :lobt2:???

Da Spurs

07-29-2009, 11:17 AM

With Kobe and Lebron, he has ZERO CHANCE at this point.

YODA

07-29-2009, 01:50 PM

I think the days of averaging a double double will be over this upcoming season.

have to agree with this. With the lack of rebound helped last year, TD got a few extra boards.

If the Spurs do win 60+ games, it really means that TD didnt have to work as hard. If we had no other options, Im sure Timmy could get a ton of points and boards, but with this team now, he shouldnt have to. With a healthy Manu, RJ and TP and a rebounder in Blair and dice, Time should have one of his worse seasons statistically, but who cares if we win the Chamionship!!
:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

bigzak25

07-29-2009, 03:12 PM

TD should be getting lots and lots of rest this season along with Manu.

Save them for when it counts.

With reduced minutes for those two, it's hard to see the Spurs winning 60.

GSH

07-29-2009, 04:32 PM

have to agree with this. With the lack of rebound helped last year, TD got a few extra boards.

If the Spurs do win 60+ games, it really means that TD didnt have to work as hard. If we had no other options, Im sure Timmy could get a ton of points and boards, but with this team now, he shouldnt have to. With a healthy Manu, RJ and TP and a rebounder in Blair and dice, Time should have one of his worse seasons statistically, but who cares if we win the Chamionship!!
:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

Having help in the middle will get Duncan more rebounds, not fewer. There are several reasons why, but the most obvious reason is that our opponents will be missing more shots. More misses equals more rebound opportunities, and Tim will get his share of them.

His knee will have the biggest impact on his numbers, but I wouldn't bet any of my hard-earned money that he won't average a double-double this year, or next.

ducks

07-29-2009, 05:27 PM

LeBron is more likely to win 8 straight MVP's.

yeah because mj did

Spursone

07-30-2009, 10:33 AM

If we win 60 games it won't be dependant soley on Duncan. Taking into account his knees, I feel his role will be limited, Isn't that why we got several new BIGS? He won't be an MVP, even though his overall impact to the team will be great. Come playoffs, He should be able to surpase his regular season numbers as long as health is not an issue, if we make to the BIG Game, I can see him getting MVP for the finals again!

GO SPURS GO! :flag: