Beer Summit!

[Yonivore]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090730/capt.eceadca3869140bbb81e16a4b383d287.obama_whre10 5.jpg

A short time earlier from the Oval Office, Obama had done what his aides had been doing for days: lowering expectations.

"I noticed this has been called the 'Beer Summit.' It's a clever term, but this is not a summit, guys," Obama told reporters. "This is three folks having a drink at the end of the day, and hopefully giving people an opportunity to listen to each other. And that's really all it is. This is not a university seminar."
So, I wonder if Obama forgot Biden would be in attendance or if Biden crashed the party. Or, possibly, Biden is invisible to Obama and he can't see him sitting right there.

I hope Sgt. Crowley took them all to school on what it's like to roll up on a possible burglary in progress, not knowing what's going on, and walked them through the steps of assessing a potentially deadly situation while a raving lunatic is yelling epithets at you and calling you a racist.

[Yonivore]

NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/07/29/us/AP-US-Harvard-Scholar-Caller.html?_r=1)

So, I wonder when Obama will hold the ladies' tea for Ms. Whalen.


''The three highly trained guys who reacted badly are getting together for a beer,'' Murphy said. ''The one person whose actions have been exemplary will be at work tomorrow in Cambridge. I don't know -- maybe it's a guy thing. She doesn't like beer anyway.''
I hope this drags out until Obama is beating his head against a wall.

[Wild Cobra]

NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/07/29/us/AP-US-Harvard-Scholar-Caller.html?_r=1)

So, I wonder when Obama will hold the ladies' tea for Ms. Whalen.


I hope this drags out until Obama is beating his head against a wall.
I wonder what would happen if he realized his incompetence and resigned. Would Biden be any better?

[Yonivore]

I wonder what would happen if he realized his incompetence and resigned. Would Biden be any better?
Yes. Biden's stupid incompetent. Obama has an agenda.

[clambake]

i hope this guy learned that you shouldn't arrest old, crippled men with canes, in their own house, just because you don't like what the spook is saying.

he wouldn't have done any of this had gates been white.

[ChumpDumper]

[IMG]I hope Sgt. Crowley took them all to school on what it's like to roll up on a possible burglary in progress, not knowing what's going on, and walked them through the steps of assessing a potentially deadly situation while a raving lunatic is yelling epithets at you and calling you a racist.The black man will kill us all.

[Yonivore]

The black man will kill us all.
Nice non sequitur. What does it mean?

[Yonivore]

i hope this guy learned that you shouldn't arrest old, crippled men with canes, in their own house, just because you don't like what the spook is saying.
Spook? Why are you allowed to use racist terms?


he wouldn't have done any of this had gates been white.
I'd be willing to bet he's arrested whites under almost identical circumstances.

[clambake]

it was a white on black arrest.

don't forget that he invented two black men with backpacks.

one look at gates and his mind was made up.

[Wild Cobra]

it was a white on black arrest.

don't forget that he invented two black men with backpacks.

one look at gates and his mind was made up.
And just where does you crystal clear evidence come from?

[Yonivore]

it was a white on black arrest.
So? Are whites not allowed to arrest blacks?


don't forget that he invented two black men with backpacks.
The report wasn't based only on what was said during the 911 call. Have you not been following the story?


one look at gates and his mind was made up.
I wouldn't doubt that after Gates opened his mouth, for the first time, Crowley knew there'd be trouble.

[ChumpDumper]

Nice non sequitur. What does it mean?It means you are afraid of black men who yell.

[clambake]

And just where does you crystal clear evidence come from?

educate yourself on the facts.

[Wild Cobra]

educate yourself on the facts.
The facts don't support your contention.

[ChumpDumper]

The report wasn't based only on what was said during the 911 call.Upon what was it based?


I wouldn't doubt that after Gates opened his mouth, for the first time, Crowley knew there'd be trouble.The black man will kill us all.

[Yonivore]

Upon what was it based?
Go see Chief Haas's statement, I'm through going around in circles with you on this. It won't change your single-celled brain anyway.


The black man will kill us all.


You and Clambake are turning into such racists.

[ChumpDumper]

Go see Chief Haas's statement, I'm through going around in circles with you on this. It won't change your single-celled brain anyway.I already read it. It explained nothing.



You and Clambake are turning into such racists.:lol Nice projection.

[Wild Cobra]

Go see Chief Haas's statement, I'm through going around in circles with you on this. It won't change your single-celled brain anyway.Isn't it ironic that the people with closed minds always have their mouths wide open...

[clambake]

So? Are whites not allowed to arrest blacks?
they shouldn't be based on race, and he just can't admit it. i think thats your attraction to crowley. it would make sense, considering that special event in your life.

The report wasn't based only on what was said during the 911 call.
he thought he'd need something else to juice it up. so he invented cause.

Have you not been following the story?
yeah, i hope he doesn't transfer to where i live.

I wouldn't doubt that after Gates opened his mouth, for the first time, Crowley knew there'd be trouble.
he didn't even wait long enough before he started lying. did he ever apologize to the 911 caller for lying about her?

[FromWayDowntown]

Yay police power!!

Yelling at a cop should be a crime; why it isn't already a felony of some sort is beyond me!

[ChumpDumper]

Isn't it ironic that the people with closed minds always have their mouths wide open...Hey, you can believe suitcases are backpacks. That doesn't make it so.

[Wild Cobra]

Hey, you can believe suitcases are backpacks. That doesn't make it so.
And they make stupid shit up also.

[jack sommerset]

Look at Chumpy battle for Obama. "Blacks will kill us all" God dude...Un tuck ur nuts and be a man. Obama is in operation kiss ass mode. He fucked up. That dude deserve to be arrested. It calmed the nut job down. No telling how far this old man with a cane would have went. Cuff the motherfucker,take his dumb racist ass downtown and perhaps, just perhaps know it all, stop the old man from doing something the police would not have dropped. Fucking drama queen.

[ChumpDumper]

Yay police power!!

Yelling at a cop should be a crime; why it isn't already a felony of some sort is beyond me!Especially if you don't hold the same political beliefs as the person being thrown in jail!

[Yonivore]

they shouldn't be based on race, and he just can't admit it.
What evidence do you have this arrest was based on race? You don't think a white person, acting like Gates did, has never been arrested? :lmao


i think thats your attraction to crowley. it would make sense, considering that special event in your life.
What my experience with racism?


he thought he'd need something else to juice it up. so he invented cause.

yeah, i hope he doesn't transfer to where i live.

he didn't even wait long enough before he started lying. did he ever apologize to the 911 caller for lying about her?
People with no experience in law enforcement should really educate themselves before speaking to this issue. You only look stupid...except to others like yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

Look at Chumpy battle for Obama. "Blacks will kill us all" God dude...Un tuck ur nuts and be a man. Obama is in operation kiss ass mode. He fucked up.I already said he made a mistake.
That dude deserve to be arrested.No, he did nothing illegal.
It calmed the nut job down. No telling how far this old man with a cane would have went. Cuff the motherfucker,take his dumb racist ass downtown and perhaps, just perhaps know it all, stop the old man from doing something the police would not have dropped.The black man will kill us all.
Fucking drama queen.Still looking for the right man, I see. You will find the man of your dreams one of these days.

[Yonivore]

Hey, you can believe suitcases are backpacks. That doesn't make it so.
I have an Eagle Creek Switchback. Softsided suitcase with backpack straps. What was Mr. Gates carrying?

[Yonivore]

Yay police power!!

Yelling at a cop should be a crime; why it isn't already a felony of some sort is beyond me!
Is hysterical hyperbole your only argument anymore? You use to do better.

[ChumpDumper]

I have an Eagle Creek Switchback. Softsided suitcase with backpack straps. What was Mr. Gates carrying?The eyewitness said suitcases and maybe a Hispanic.

[ChumpDumper]

Is hysterical hyperbole your only argument anymore? You use to do better.You never did better. You have always been a lying, ignorant, partisan hack.

[FromWayDowntown]

Dissent about how an officer conducts himself simply cannot be tolerated in this dangerous world. The concern for cops being hurt by barbed words or sharp disagreement is really underappreciated.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no First Amendment right to free speech for those who choose to be critical of police officers.

To paraphrase: Arrest here. Arrest now.

[clambake]

What evidence do you have this arrest was based on race? You don't think a white person, acting like Gates did, has never been arrested? :lmao
show me where a handicapped old white man that needs a cane to walk was arrested in his own home for yelling at a cop.



What my experience with racism?
your racism was with you long before your "episode".



People with no experience in law enforcement should really educate themselves before speaking to this issue. You only look stupid...except to others like yourself.
what experience? the kind where you make shit up before you arrest someone?

[ChumpDumper]

Dissent about how an officer conducts himself simply cannot be tolerated in this dangerous world. The concern for cops being hurt by barbed words or sharp disagreement is really underappreciated.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no First Amendment right to free speech for those who choose to be critical of police officers.

To paraphrase: Arrest here. Arrest now.You're missing the point. He was going to kill everyone there.

[clambake]

You're missing the point. He was going to kill everyone there.

remember, there were two probable killers.

[FromWayDowntown]

Is hysterical hyperbole your only argument anymore? You use to do better.

Hey buddy, you're the one talking about the officer teaching these academic goody-goody, white tower princes about the dangers of having an upset citizen yelling! I'm just suggesting that if the situation is as dangerous as you think the officer could have believed it to be, why not actually come up with a real crime to support arrests in those situations - something other than the trumped-up, insupportable charges that seem to frequently be the manifestations of police anger?

[ChumpDumper]

remember, there were two probable killers.OMG the other one is still out there!!!!!111!!1!!

[clambake]

Hey buddy, you're the one talking about the officer teaching these academic goody-goody, white tower princes about the dangers of having an upset citizen yelling! I'm just suggesting that if the situation is as dangerous as you think the officer could have believed it to be, why not actually come up with a real crime to support arrests in those situations - something other than the trumped-up, insupportable charges that seem to frequently be the manifestations of police anger?

you don't understand. yoni knows the pain and suffering of being yelled at by an old black man.

[Yonivore]

The eyewitness said suitcases and maybe a Hispanic.
During the 911 call. What was said by her and others, after the officer reached the scene?

[clambake]

During the 911 call. What was said by her and others, after the officer reached the scene?

did he ever apologize to that poor woman?

[Yonivore]

show me where a handicapped old white man that needs a cane to walk was arrested in his own home for yelling at a cop.
Well, I know of many elderly white men (some with canes even) that were arrested for disorderly conduct at their own house.


your racism was with you long before your "episode".
I don't have a racist bone in my body. Point to anything I've ever said that even remotely indicates I'm a racist.


what experience? the kind where you make shit up before you arrest someone?
One that assembles all information when writing an incident report.

[ChumpDumper]

During the 911 call. What was said by her and others, after the officer reached the scene?Oh, you want to make up more shit.

Right on cue.

Haas would have said more information had been gathered at that time.

[Yonivore]

Hey buddy, you're the one talking about the officer teaching these academic goody-goody, white tower princes about the dangers of having an upset citizen yelling! I'm just suggesting that if the situation is as dangerous as you think the officer could have believed it to be, why not actually come up with a real crime to support arrests in those situations - something other than the trumped-up, insupportable charges that seem to frequently be the manifestations of police anger?
You weren't there so, you have no idea of the totality of the circumstances. Every other officer there, and there was a black and a hispanic officer present, said the arrest was legitimate.

And, I'm glad you at least tempered your argument by saying the cop was angry as opposed to being racist.

Gates was acting inconsistent with what would have been expected from a home-owner approached by a police officer investigating a possible burglary in progress at their home. Gates belligerent behavior continued throughout the Sgt. Crowley's presence. He created a scene for no reason, breached the peace, and according to the officers on the scene, committed acts that constituted disorderly conduct.

I may not have arrested him, they did...who are we to argue; particularly when we don't have all the facts?

[Yonivore]

Oh, you want to make up more shit.

Right on cue.

Haas would have said more information had been gathered at that time.
I asked a simple question. You think the police didn't talk to witnesses after they arrived?

[clambake]

Well, I know of many elderly white men (some with canes even) that were arrested for disorderly conduct at their own house.
go ahead, show me all the old white men with canes that were arrested in their own home by crowley.



I don't have a racist bone in my body. Point to anything I've ever said that even remotely indicates I'm a racist.
you spoke, in detail, about a black man that yelled at you. you've been yelled at by people your whole life........but you only mention your "black experience".



One that assembles all information when writing an incident report.
you mean one that creates false information.

[ChumpDumper]

You weren't there so, you have no idea of the totality of the circumstances. Every other officer there, and there was a black and a hispanic officer present, said the arrest was legitimate.Cops back one another up.


And, I'm glad you at least tempered your argument by saying the cop was angry as opposed to being racist.That's what we've all been saying. Your insistence to inject race into the argument with straw men and the like only distracted the focus.


Gates was acting inconsistent with what would have been expected from a home-owner approached by a police officer investigating a possible burglary in progress at their home. Gates belligerent behavior continued throughout the Sgt. Crowley's presence. He created a scene for no reason, breached the peace, and according to the officers on the scene, committed acts that constituted disorderly conduct.Except none of his action that have been recounted broke Massachusetts law. Only the imaginary ones you think the police continue to hide from the public for no reason.


I may not have arrested him, they did...who are we to argue; particularly when we don't have all the facts?Were there any other facts to provide, they would have already been provided.

[ChumpDumper]

I asked a simple question. You think the police didn't talk to witnesses after they arrived?If the recording wasn't edited, it doesn't sound like there was enough time to have a chat with the witnesses while a suspected burglary was taking place -- so in this case, I will say probably not.

[Yonivore]

go ahead, show me all the old white men with canes that were arrested in their own home by crowley.
You can take it up with him. You suggested Gates was arrested because he was black. I think he was arrested because he was an asshole who became disorderly.


you spoke, in detail, about a black man that yelled at you. you've been yelled at by people your whole life........but you only mention your "black experience".
I spoke in detail about an experience about a black man that yelled at me, threatened me, and intimidated my passenger; simply because I was white. I was describing an act of racism I experienced.

I only mentioned that experience because it was in the context of a discussion about racism. I've been called whitey, honkie, and other names, by blacks in other settings, that didn't bother me -- even though it demonstrated their racism.

This incident happened in Inglewood, California, shortly after the Rodney King riots and about 5 blocks from where Reginald Denney had been dragged from his truck and nearly beaten nearly to death.

I believe I had reason to be concerned. But, since it's giving you so much mileage, go ahead and continue to make an ass of yourself.


you mean one that creates false information.
No.

[Yonivore]

If the recording wasn't edited, it doesn't sound like there was enough time to have a chat with the witnesses while a suspected burglary was taking place -- so in this case, I will say probably not.
Not every interaction was recorded. You don't know what was said at the scene.

[ChumpDumper]

Not every interaction was recorded. You don't know what was said at the scene.As I said, it appears the passage of time was recorded. If that tape wasn't edited, the whole episode happened very quickly without time to chat up the witnesses.

[clambake]

i love that story. so, were his words threatening to you? was it the words? what were his words that had you so upset?

others have called you whitey and honkie? anyone that gets upset from that is a pussy.

a cracker pussy.

[Yonivore]

Cops back one another up.
I don't see anyone backing up that Boston officer that got fired today for calling Gates a "jungle monkey." Do you? Cops don't back up racist cops...they also don't back up officer that make a bogus arrest.


That's what we've all been saying. Your insistence to inject race into the argument with straw men and the like only distracted the focus.
Really?


show me where a handicapped old white man that needs a cane to walk was arrested in his own home for yelling at a cop.
Clambake seems to believe it's about race.


The black man will kill us all.
I see.


Except none of his action that have been recounted broke Massachusetts law. Only the imaginary ones you think the police continue to hide from the public for no reason.
You weren't there. The police aren't hiding anything, they have no reason to discuss the matter further. Besides, Gates is still contemplating litigation, it would be stupid for the police to develop diarrhea of the mouth now.

Only idiots like you are still trying to equate Crowley's actions with those of Gates and Obama. With the possible exception of Ms. Whalen, Sgt. Crowley is the most innocent person involved in this incident.


Were there any other facts to provide, they would have already been provided.
Why? There's no case to prosecute and there's the potential for litigation. I don't think the police are going to volunteer anything more. Someone needs to ask the right question.

Specifically, what did Mr. Gates do that constituted disorderly conduct.

And, until that is asked and answered, you can continue to believe he was arrested merely for yelling from his porch and I can continue to believe it was for something more.

Why do you want to continue a fruitless argument?

[Yonivore]

As I said, it appears the passage of time was recorded. If that tape wasn't edited, the whole episode happened very quickly without time to chat up the witnesses.
Again, you weren't there so you don't know what was said. Now who's making shit up?

You're constructing a narrative that fits your biased view. You're entitled. But, it doesn't make you right.

[clambake]

i said show me where crowley arrested an old handicapped white man, that needs a cane to walk, from his own house for yelling.

go ahead, show me.

[Yonivore]

i love that story. so, were his words threatening to you? was it the words? what were his words that had you so upset?Yeah, the clenched fists and his asking "what the fuck are you doing here?" kind of gave me pause.

Given the place and time, you wouldn't have been concerned?


others have called you whitey and honkie? anyone that gets upset from that is a pussy.

I've been called whitey, honkie, and other names, by blacks in other settings, that didn't bother me -- even though it demonstrated their racism.
Still having reading comprehension problems and I didn't even misspell anything.


a cracker pussy.
That doesn't bother me either.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't see anyone backing up that Boston officer that got fired today for calling Gates a "jungle monkey." Do you? Cops don't back up racist cops...they also don't back up officer that make a bogus arrest.On something as minor as this stupid arrest, it's easy.



Really?Really.



Clambake seems to believe it's about race.He's got your goat. When you try to tell everyone they were afraid the black man was going to hurt someone, it's easy.



I see.That's only a slightly exaggerated version of your argument.



You weren't there. The police aren't hiding anything, they have no reason to discuss the matter further.So if they aren't hiding anything, we indeed have all the facts.
Besides, Gates is still contemplating litigation, it would be stupid for the police to develop diarrhea of the mouth now.So you are saying the police should hide any information they have.


Only idiots like you are still trying to equate Crowley's actions with those of Gates and Obama.No, his stupidity is separate from theirs.

With the possible exception of Ms. Whalen, Sgt. Crowley is the most innocent person involved in this incident.He made a stupid arrest.



Why? There's no case to prosecute and there's the potential for litigation. I don't think the police are going to volunteer anything more. Someone needs to ask the right question.Right, you said the polioce should now hide any information they have.


Specifically, what did Mr. Gates do that constituted disorderly conduct.Nothing.


And, until that is asked and answered, you can continue to believe he was arrested merely for yelling from his porch and I can continue to believe it was for something more.That would have already been revealed.


Why do you want to continue a fruitless argument?It has borne and continues to bear fruit. You can leave if you wish.

[Yonivore]

i said show me where crowley arrested an old handicapped white man, that needs a cane to walk, from his own house for yelling.

go ahead, show me.
I wish you'd slow down and read but, I'll try to use smaller words in the future.


Well, I know of many elderly white men (some with canes even) that were arrested for disorderly conduct at their own house.
Crowley's not mentioned in that statement.

[Yonivore]

On something as minor as this stupid arrest, it's easy.
No, it's not. It's a matter of integrity. And, this isn't a small matter anymore.


Really.

He's got your goat. When you try to tell everyone they were afraid the black man was going to hurt someone, it's easy.
You and clambake have repeated this falsehood so many times, I think you actually believe I said it.


That's only a slightly exaggerated version of your argument.
My argument has always been that Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct and that people acting the way he was, are capable of doing unanticipated things. I never said he was going to. Another thing you've exaggerated.

It seems that you can only argue by blowing up my argument into some gigantic strawman.


So if they aren't hiding anything, we indeed have all the facts.So you are saying the police should hide any information they have.
They're under no obligation to release anything further. They might answer if asked. I seriously curious why no one has asked them that simple question. If, judging from you and clambake, this is such a big issue, I would think finding out that simple fact would be important to the media.

[clambake]

Yeah, the clenched fists and his asking "what the fuck are you doing here?" kind of gave me pause.
knowing how you twist things......we'll need to hear his side of the story.


Given the place and time, you wouldn't have been concerned?
you said you are law enforcement.......maybe he was afraid of being the next rodney.




Still having reading comprehension problems and I didn't even misspell anything.
you leave too many things out.....deliberately.



That doesn't bother me either.
bullshit, you're lying.

[Yonivore]

knowing how you twist things......we'll need to hear his side of the story.
Okay, go ahead.


you said you are law enforcement.......maybe he was afraid of being the next rodney.
I was neither armed or in uniform.


you leave too many things out.....deliberately.
Like what? I'll fill in the blanks.


bullshit, you're lying.
No, I'm not. Why would it bother me?

[clambake]

Yeah, the clenched fists and his asking "what the fuck are you doing here?" kind of gave me pause.

why didn't you arrest him?

[Yonivore]

why didn't you arrest him?
Well, even if I had been on duty and in my home state, he committed no crime.

Why are you changing the nature of the incident? It was an example of my experiencing racism. Are you denying he was trying to intimidate me because I was white?

[clambake]

Well, even if I had been on duty and in my home state, he committed no crime.
to your standards, sure he did. you said he threatened you.


Why are you changing the nature of the incident? It was an example of my experiencing racism. Are you denying he was trying to intimidate me because I was white?
he saw a black man getting the shit beat out of him by pack of wild, white officers.

walk a mile in his shoes.

[ChumpDumper]

No, it's not. It's a matter of integrity. And, this isn't a small matter anymore.It's a very small arrest, so even though it was stupid, it's no big deal to stand up for Crowley.



You and clambake have repeated this falsehood so many times, I think you actually believe I said it.You have repeated the falsehood that Gates did something he was not said to have done. I think you actually believe he did it.


My argument has always been that Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct and that people acting the way he was, are capable of doing unanticipated things. I never said he was going to. Another thing you've exaggerated.Given what the police said Gates did, there was no reason for an arrest. You can't arrest someone for an anticipated threat. The guy needed to really threaten someone.


It seems that you can only argue by blowing up my argument into some gigantic strawman.It seems you can only argue by making up shit.



They're under no obligation to release anything further. They might answer if asked. I seriously curious why no one has asked them that simple question. If, judging from you and clambake, this is such a big issue, I would think finding out that simple fact would be important to the media.If, judging from you, this is such a big issue of integrity, the police would have already given a full account of the incident.

You are now accusing the police of having a lack of integrity and believe they are right to hide any further details from the public.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, even if I had been on duty and in my home state, he committed no crime.You just said he threatened you.

[clambake]

You just said he threatened you.

exactly. he's full of shit.....and lying about being an "officer".

[Yonivore]

It's a very small arrest, so even though it was stupid, it's no big deal to stand up for Crowley.
And, you speak from what experience, ChumpDumper?


You have repeated the falsehood that Gates did something he was not said to have done. I think you actually believe he did it.
I have never said he did anything I didn't know to be a fact. Based on my experiences and the statements of the officer, I supposed a lot of things. I never claimed they actually occurred or would occur.

From what experience did you make the claims you've made?


Given what the police said Gates did, there was no reason for an arrest. You can't arrest someone for an anticipated action.
And, they didn't. His report stated the elements of the charge. Tumultuous behavior being one of them. I would like for someone to ask Sgt. Crowley what that means.

And, police arrest people all the time to prevent an escalation of events.


It seems you can only argue by making up shit.
I've made nothing up.


If, judging from you, this is such a big issue of integrity, the police would have already given a full account of the incident.
They have no reason to do so and every reason to keep their mouths shut in anticipation of legal action by Professor Gates.


You are now accusing the police of having a lack of integrity and believe they are right to hide any further details from the public.
They're being smart. I never said they wouldn't provide answers to questions but, it is stupid to volunteer information that isn't requested.

The arresting officers believe Professor Gates committed the crime of disorderly conduct.

Professor Gates thinks he was a victim of racial profiling.

Who know why the prosecutors decided not to pursue the case but, when they did, the police ceased all activity -- including the drawing up of a complaint; which, I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE WRITTEN HUNDREDS, would have detailed the elements of the crime for which they were accusing Professor Gates.

To them, the action was over. Now, they're just answering questions and waiting to see if Gates is going to continue to be an asshole and file a lawsuit.

[Yonivore]

You just said he threatened you.
Okay, we're back to the distinction between a threat and being threatening. Was he being threatening? Yes. Did he threaten me? No.

"What the fuck are you doing here," isn't a threat. But, he manner was threatening.

That's not a crime.

[Yonivore]

exactly. he's full of shit.....and lying about being an "officer".
God, you're like Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb

[clambake]

bullshit. you don't even know that threatening a police officer ends in arrest.

[clambake]

and now your changing the story......just like crowley.

[Yonivore]

bullshit. you don't even know that threatening a police officer ends in arrest.
Threatening and being threatening are two different things, Clambake.

And, being threatening to an off duty peace officer outside his jurisdiction, isn't a crime. Threatening anyone, police officer or otherwise, is a crime.

[Yonivore]

and now your changing the story......just like crowley.
What have I changed?

[Yonivore]

Oh, and by the way, threatening a police officer doesn't necessarily end in arrest. It depends on the circumstances.

[ChumpDumper]

And, you speak from what experience, ChumpDumper?It's only a matter of judgment on this one; and I would never expect to see cops willing give up their ability to throw someone in jail that was getting on their nerves.



I have never said he did anything I didn't know to be a fact. Based on my experiences and the statements of the officer, I supposed a lot of things. I never claimed they actually occurred or would occur.You act as if they did occur and would have occurred to justify an arrest because nothing in any record justified an arrest. You simply let your bias fill in the blanks for you.


And, they didn't. His report stated the elements of the charge. Tumultuous behavior being one of them. I would like for someone to ask Sgt. Crowley what that means.I would like to ask you what it means.

What does tumultuous behavior mean?

The only thing they said Gates actually did was yell at the cops from his porch. That does not break any Massachusetts law. If he did anything else, the police are hiding it, apparently to protect their integrity.


And, police arrest people all the time to prevent an escalation of events.What escalation?


I've made nothing up.Of course you have. It's the only way you can justify the arrest.


They have no reason to do so and every reason to keep their mouths shut in anticipation of legal action by Professor Gates.So you say they should hide whatever information they have.


They're being smart. I never said they wouldn't provide answers to questions but, it is stupid to volunteer information that isn't requested.Why? You claim they did nothing wrong? Why do they have to hide all the information they have?


The arresting officers believe Professor Gates committed the crime of disorderly conduct.Nothing in their reports and interviews show he committed that crime. You think they would have said something that would have justified the arrest.


Professor Gates thinks he was a victim of racial profiling.Here's where you try to inject race into the argument again.


Who know why the prosecutors decided not to pursue the case but, when they did, the police ceased all activity -- including the drawing up of a complaint; which, I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE WRITTEN HUNDREDS, would have detailed the elements of the crime for which they were accusing Professor Gates.So they are hiding information. Ok.


To them, the action was over. Now, they're just answering questions and waiting to see if Gates is going to continue to be an asshole and file a lawsuit.But they have nothing to hide except all the information you say they are hiding.

[clambake]

Oh, and by the way, threatening a police officer doesn't necessarily end in arrest. It depends on the circumstances.

well lets hear it!

[jack sommerset]

Why the fuck would the police get witness statments for this bullshit. He was arrested for disturbing the peace and later dropped. This is not CSI faggots. Noone was murdered. Some racist pig needed to be arrested so that he would not hurt himself or hurt someone else. Gates was going nuts calling a good officer a racist for doing his job. For making sure noone was robbing the guy or raping him. He was there to help Gates without even knowing him.

For those queers that don't get that you are fucking stupid and/or you jerk off to Obama videos and/or you just like to argue. Maybe all 3 in Chumpys case.

With that said the girl who called 911 said through her lawyer she could only hear one man and that was Gates calling the pig a racist.

[clambake]

oh well, time to go.

some cops, and people in this thread, aren't very good at altering the truth......even when they think it will justify their actions..

[ChumpDumper]

Why the fuck would the police get witness statments for this bullshit. He was arrested for disturbing the peace and later dropped. This is not CSI faggots. Noone was murdered. Some racist pig needed to be arrested so that he would not hurt himself or hurt someone else.What indication was there that he would hurt anybody?
He was going nuts calling a good officer a racist for doing his job. For making sure noone was robbing the guy or raping him. He was there to help Gates without evenn knowing him.That's what police should do.

They shouldn't throw people in jail for embarrassing them in front of other cops.


For those queers that don't get that you are fucking stupid and/or you jerk off to Obama videos and/or you just like to argue. Maybe all 3 in Chumpsys case.For the last time, you can't have sex with me. You need to take out a personal ad if you need to keep it on the down low.


With that said the girl who called 911 said through her lawyer she could only hear one man and that was Gates calling the pig a racist.That isn't against the law.

[Yonivore]

It's only a matter of judgment on this one; and I would never expect to see cops willing give up their ability to throw someone in jail that was getting on their nerves.
A matter of poor judgment, then.


You act as if they did occur and would have occurred to justify an arrest because nothing in any record justified an arrest. You simply let your bias fill in the blanks for you.
No, I surmised that those may, I repeat MAY, have been some of the things Sgt. Crowley was considering as the even progressed. I never said it occurred or would occur.


I would like to ask you what it means.

What does tumultuous behavior mean?
I'd only give you a the Webster definition and you can look that up. The word doesn't appear in the Texas disorderly conduct statute. I defer to Massachusetts authorities on this one. Again, a question I'd like to see asked.


What escalation?
We'll never know if the incident would have escalated, will we? Sgt. Crowley put a stop to it with his arrest of Professor Gates.


Of course you have. It's the only way you can justify the arrest.
What have I made up? I've made several informed suppositions based on my experience in law enforcement. I've never claimed that's what actually occurred at that scene but, I can certainly imagine it did. Just like you imagine some conspiracy among the Cambridge Police to cover for a false arrest.


So you say they should hide whatever information they have.

Why? You claim they did nothing wrong? Why do they have to hide all the information they have?

Nothing in their reports and interviews show he committed that crime. You think they would have said something that would have justified the arrest.

Here's where you try to inject race into the argument again.

So they are hiding information. Ok.

But they have nothing to hide except all the information you say they are hiding.
Hiding is your characterization. If they were being asked for the information and refusing to release it, you'd have a point.

They have no reason to speak to the issue any further. Besides, it wouldn't satisfy you anyway.

Seriously though, I really would like for someone to ask the question; "What, in Professor Gates' actions, constituted disorderly conduct." I would seriously like to hear the answer to that question.

Why is no one asking it?

[Yonivore]

oh well, time to go.

some cops, and people in this thread, aren't very good at altering the truth......even when they think it will justify their actions..
So, I didn't change anything in my story. Okay.

[ChumpDumper]

A matter of poor judgment, then.Exaclty! Crowley showed poor judgment when he arrested Gates.


No, I surmised that those may, I repeat MAY, have been some of the things Sgt. Crowley was considering as the even progressed. I never said it occurred or would occur.You chose to treat them as fact when the actual facts of the case showed an arrest for disorderly conduct was not warranted.



I'd only give you a the Webster definition and you can look that up. The word doesn't appear in the Texas disorderly conduct statute. I defer to Massachusetts authorities on this one. Again, a question I'd like to see asked.At least you admit your ignorance this time.



We'll never know if the incident would have escalated, will we? Sgt. Crowley put a stop to it with his arrest of Professor Gates.Who knows how many people Gates would have killed?



What have I made up? I've made several informed suppositions based on my experience in law enforcement. I've never claimed that's what actually occurred at that scene but, I can certainly imagine it did. Just like you imagine some conspiracy among the Cambridge Police to cover for a false arrest.Your imagination is the only justification for the arrest.



Hiding is your characterization. If they were being asked for the information and refusing to release it, you'd have a point.They have omitted it when according to you it is the actual reason for the arrest. That's hiding it.


They have no reason to speak to the issue any further.Integrity.
Besides, it wouldn't satisfy you anyway.I definitely would be satisfied if an officer described an action by Gates that could have actually been prosecuted under Massachusetts law and was corroborated by the citizens at the scene. That's my whole point. Everything everyone at the scene has said provides no justification for the arrest. You want to make up justification using your imagination.


Seriously though, I really would like for someone to ask the question; "What, in Professor Gates' actions, constituted disorderly conduct." I would seriously like to hear the answer to that question.Seriously, if it is a matter of police integrity, they already would have set the record straight. I believe the police have actually stated their reasons for arresting Gates -- they just weren't good enough reasons to satisfy the law. Your imaginary reasons may be, but no one said any of that happened.

[jack sommerset]

What indication was there that he would hurt anybody?That's what police should do

He followed the cop after the cop told him to stop. Gates did not stop and kept calling him a racist then he talked about the cops mamma. I think u said he had a cane.


They shouldn't throw people in jail for embarrassing them in front of other cops

Please share with the rest of ur fags how you know this.


For the last time, you can't have sex with me. You need to take out a personal ad if you need to keep it on the down low.

Who is dreaming? I never ask or implied or would do a dude...Liar Liar Pants on fire, Queer


That isn't against the law.

It shows who was being irrational. And that would be Gates.

[ChumpDumper]

He followed the cop after the cop told him to stop. Gates did not stop and kept calling him a racist then he talked about the cops mamma. I think u said he had a cane.That's not against the law.


Please share with the rest of ur fags how you know this.I can only speculate, since there was no legal justification for the arrest given what the cops and witnesses said took place.


Who is dreaming? I never ask or implied or would do a dude...Liar Liar Pants on fire, QueerYou ask for it every time you bring up gay sex, which is all the time. So again, I must refuse your advances. Someday your prince will come -- over your back I suppose.


It shows who was being irrational. And that would be Gates.That's not against the law.

[jack sommerset]

That's not against the law.

I can only speculate, since there was no legal justification for the arrest given what the cops and witnesses said took place.

You ask for it every time you bring up gay sex, which is all the time. So again, I must refuse your advances. Someday your prince will come -- over your back I suppose.

That's not against the law.

It backs the cops story Gates was disturbing the peace. And Yes disturbing the peace is breaking the law. The guy following him out the door making fun of his mamma and calling him a racist could escalate into violence but he was arrested for disturbing the peace and should have been. I say this because you keep saying it was a stupid arrest. I say nope, the cop had every right to arrest him and it appears the guy was leaning towards violence acting in that crazy way. HAHAHA The cop was there to serve and protect only to be chased out the dudes house.

Fag...I know you know all this. Good night..........

[ChumpDumper]

It backs the cops story Gates was disturbing the peace. And Yes disturbing the peace is breaking the law.Nothing the cops said he did broke the law.
The guy following him out the door making fun of his mamma and calling him a racist could escalate into violence but he was arrested for disturbing the peace and should have been.That wasn't against the law.
I say this because you keep saying it was a stupid arrest.It was.
I say nope, the cop had every right to arrest himNot according to what they said Gates did.
and it appears the guy was leaning towards violence acting in that crazy way.There is nothing in the police report or statements or in those of the witnesses that suggest anything like that. You simply made it up.
HAHAHA The cop was there to serve and protect only to be chased out the dudes house.The cop said he exited the house because he couldn't hear his radio. He was not chased.


Fag...I know you know all this. Good night..........I know you are into men. You need to accept that and be the homosexual you know you need to be. Good night.

[Yonivore]

Nothing the cops said he did broke the law.
The report said he committed the crime of disorderly conduct. He was arrested for disorderly conduct. I would say the cops spoke pretty loudly on the fact he broke the law.

[Wild Cobra]

Anyone gag on a hop pellet yet?

[ChumpDumper]

The report said he committed the crime of disorderly conduct.Nothing they said he did was against Massachusetts law. You are only left with acts Gates committed in your imagination alone.

[Yonivore]

3 amigos get suds; she gets scorn (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25592.html)
:lmao

I don't think this is over for Obama :bang, yet.

:lmao

[Yonivore]

Nothing they said he did was against Massachusetts law. You are only left with acts Gates committed in your imagination alone.
Well, by the way the report read, his conduct met the elements of disorderly conduct; including tumultuous behavior and all.

[Spursmania]

Well, if Gates was truly wronged as he may believe, then he will file a civil lawsuit.The verdict in and of itself would say a lot. A preponderance of the evidence is all you need in civil suits. My money is on the police department.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, by the way the report read, his conduct met the elements of disorderly conduct; including tumultuous behavior and all.What tumultuous behavior?

[Wild Cobra]

Nothing they said he did was against Massachusetts law. You are only left with acts Gates committed in your imagination alone.He's the only one laid up and has nothing better to do than amuse himself with your asinine hard hardheadedness. I think most of us have better things to do than mess with your idiocy. I know I do.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, if Gates was truly wronged as he may believe, then he will file a civil lawsuit.The verdict in and of itself would say a lot. A preponderance of the evidence is all you need in civil suits. My money is on the police department.I'm not even sure if it could even reach the courts, given the facts. The cops could certainly claim to be ignorant of the finer points of the law as Yoni has proven over and over again.

[ChumpDumper]

He's the only one laid up and has nothing better to do than amuse himself with your asinine hard hardheadedness. I think most of us have better things to do than mess with your idiocy. I know I do.Then fuck off, flaglot.

[Spursmania]

Yeah, Gates was just so wronged. Poor guy. The Police department should have been so much nicer to him, and when he started yelling, they should have just give him some apple juice and sung "hush little baby don't you cry."

Give me a fucking break...:rolleyes

[Yonivore]

What tumultuous behavior?
Somebody should ask. But, until they do, you are no more informed about what happened than I am.

Look, we choose to believe two different things...why are you so tedious and willing to rehash the same argument?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, Gates was just so wronged. Poor guy. The Police department should have been so much nicer to him, and when he started yelling, they should have just give him some apple juice and sung "hush little baby don't you cry."

Give me a fucking break...:rolleyesHe shouldn't have been thrown in jail for yelling at the police from his porch. It's not against the law.

[Wild Cobra]

Then fuck off, flaglot.
Wow... I'm surprised that took you so long!

[ChumpDumper]

Somebody should ask. But, until they do, you are no more informed about what happened than I am.Which is why you have to imagine Gates did something to warrant his arrest. The facts that are known don't support you, so you ahve to make shit up.


Look, we choose to believe two different things...why are you so tedious and willing to rehash the same argument?As long as you keep making up shit, I'll just keep giving you the facts.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow... I'm surprised that took you so long!So you don't have anything better to do that respond to me. Stick around then, flaglot.

[Wild Cobra]

So you don't have anything better to do that respond to me. Stick around then, flaglot.
At the moment, I have nothing to do. It's been real amusing reading your absolute stupidity. I can watch and play for a few more minutes.

[Yonivore]

Which is why you have to imagine Gates did something to warrant his arrest. The facts that are known don't support you, so you ahve to make shit up.
I don't have to imagine it. The officer wrote it in his report and the other officer's backed the arrest.

Neither you nor I know all the facts. You're speculating as much as I am. I have the advantage of having had been in that circumstance numerous times. You don't.


As long as you keep making up shit, I'll just keep giving you the facts.
I've made nothing up...I've speculated based on the known facts and a number of years of experience. You and Clambake are the ones falsely ascribing behaviors to people by saying the police are blindly backing Sgt. Crowley and saying Gates was only yelling from his porch.

[Spursmania]

He shouldn't have been thrown in jail for yelling at the police from his porch. It's not against the law.

I know they should have just let him keep on yelling. No big deal. They should have know he was an esteemed Professor at Harvard and should have treated him delicately. I mean everybody should be able to yell and rant and rave at cops, especially when they are only there to ensure no one is robbing your home. Crazy cops...

[Wild Cobra]

Poor Chump. He wasn't able to suck Gate's dick for one night. No wonder he's so worked up over this.

[Yonivore]

He shouldn't have been thrown in jail for yelling at the police from his porch. It's not against the law.
No one has said it was against the law. That's why I'm arguing he was doing more than just yelling from his porch...and, apparently, it involved tumultuous behavior of some sort.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have to imagine it. The officer wrote it in his report and the other officer's backed the arrest.Except the never described anything he did that could be prosecuted as disorderly conduct under Massachusetts law.


Neither you nor I know all the facts. You're speculating as much as I am.No, I am working with the facts that were given. I'm not making anything up.
I have the advantage of having had been in that circumstance numerous times. You don't.Well you did prove that law enforcement officials can be ignorant of the law, so thank you for that. I think that is the case here.



I've made nothing up...I've speculated based on the known facts and a number of years of experience.You made shit up, adn the shit you made up is your only support for an arrest.
You and Clambake are the ones falsely ascribing behaviors to people by saying the police are blindly backing Sgt. CrowleyI don't think the police are blindly backing Crowley; their backing was easily calculated considering it was a minor incident.
and saying Gates was only yelling from his porch.No one has said he did anything else. Not one person.

You made up some shit claiming he did, but that was shit you made up.

[ChumpDumper]

I know they should have just let him keep on yelling. No big deal. They should have know he was an esteemed Professor at Harvard and should have treated him delicately. I mean everybody should be able to yell and rant and rave at cops, especially when they are only there to ensure no one is robbing your home. Crazy cops...It's not against the law.

[ChumpDumper]

Poor Chump. He wasn't able to suck Gate's dick for one night. No wonder he's so worked up over this.You post about gay sex too much to not want it yourself.

[Yonivore]

Except the never described anything he did that could be prosecuted as disorderly conduct under Massachusetts law.
Because that was an incident report, not a criminal complaint.


No, I am working with the facts that were given. I'm not making anything up.Well you did prove that law enforcement officials can be ignorant of the law, so thank you for that. I think that is the case here.
You made up that the officer were covering for Sgt. Crowley. You made up that the only thing Gates was doing was yelling from his porch. You can't know any these things to be true.


You made shit up, adn the shit you made up is your only support for an arrest.I don't think the police are blindly backing Crowley; their backing was easily calculated considering it was a minor incident.
I haven't made one thing up. Not one.


No one has said he did anything else. Not one person.
Sgt. Crowley said he engaged in tumultuous behavior...an element of disorderly conduct.


You made up some shit claiming he did, but that was shit you made up.
I didn't make it up, it's right there in the report.

[Spursmania]

It's not against the law.

No, but he did enough to warrant the arrest, IMO. If I was gambling in Vegas, I'd bet on the cops big on this one.

[ChumpDumper]

No one has said it was against the law. That's why I'm arguing he was doing more than just yelling from his porch...and, apparently, it involved tumultuous behavior of some sort.I'm arguing that the yelling was the tumultuous behavior, because if you just go by the statute you can claim it to be just that. The case law circumscribes the yelling part quite a bit though -- so Gates could have been ignorant of the law like you were, or he could have just feigned ignorance, knowing that any charge would be dropped because of the case law, but at least Gates would shut up.

[Wild Cobra]

Except the never described anything he did that could be prosecuted as disorderly conduct under Massachusetts law.
The General Laws of Massachusetts; Chapter 272: Section 53. Penalty for certain offenses (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/272-53.htm):
Section 53. Common night walkers, common street walkers, both male and female, common railers and brawlers, persons who with offensive and disorderly acts or language accost or annoy persons of the opposite sex, lewd, wanton and lascivious persons in speech or behavior, idle and disorderly persons, disturbers of the peace, keepers of noisy and disorderly houses, and persons guilty of indecent exposure may be punished by imprisonment in a jail or house of correction for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than two hundred dollars, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

[Yonivore]

I'm arguing that the yelling was the tumultuous behavior, because if you just go by the statute you can claim it to be just that. The case law circumscribes the yelling part quite a bit though -- so Gates could have been ignorant of the law like you were, or he could have just feigned ignorance, knowing that any charge would be dropped because of the case law, but at least Gates would shut up.
We'll never know if the case law you cite will ever be brought up in this case, because the case was dropped. Further, I've not heard Sgt. Crowley or anyone else from the Cambridge Police Department say the tumultuous was his yelling.

I won't accuse you of lying or making shit up. I'll just say you can't know that and your speculating.

[Marcus Bryant]

My God, this is stupid.

[Spursmania]

My God, this is stupid.

:deadhorse

[ChumpDumper]

Because that was an incident report, not a criminal complaint.They've had ample opportunity to describe Gates' actions in full outside of that report. I am of the opinion they have.



You made up that the officer were covering for Sgt. Crowley.No, I believe the police want to retain the ability to arrest people in that situation. If you don't think that, you should explain why.
You made up that the only thing Gates was doing was yelling from his porch.No one said he did anything else. I said I am basing my opinion on what was actually said to have happened.
You can't know any these things to be true.I know no one has said anything to refute my opinion based on only the facts. You only counter has been to make things up.


I haven't made one thing up. Not one.Of course you have. It's all you got.


Sgt. Crowley said he engaged in tumultuous behavior...an element of disorderly conduct.What tumultuous behavior?


I didn't make it up, it's right there in the report.You made up what you thought it to be. The only thing that has ever been said Gates did that can be described as tumultuous behavior is yelling at the police -- and that tumultuous behavior cannot be prosecuted in Massachusetts.

[ChumpDumper]

No, but he did enough to warrant the arrest, IMO.Enough of what? Be specific.
If I was gambling in Vegas, I'd bet on the cops big on this one.On what? The legality of yelling at the cops? You'd lose big on that one.

[Spursmania]

Enough of what? Be specific.On what? The legality of yelling at the cops? You'd lose big on that one.

:deadhorse

[ChumpDumper]

The General Laws of Massachusetts; Chapter 272: Section 53. Penalty for certain offenses (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/272-53.htm):I have already addressed the statute and the relevant case law in the other thread. I can give you a link if you want, but you said you have better things to do like think about men having sex.

[ChumpDumper]

We'll never know if the case law you cite will ever be brought up in this case, because the case was dropped. Further, I've not heard Sgt. Crowley or anyone else from the Cambridge Police Department say the tumultuous was his yelling.I've never heard them say he did anything else, and the yelling does meet a dictionary definition of tumultuous behavior, which is often used in instances such as these.


I won't accuse you of lying or making shit up. I'll just say you can't know that and your speculating.I am only going by what the cops and witnesses have actually said. I know what they have actually said. If you think they are hiding or continually omitting something crucial about the incident that would have actually justified the arrest, fine. I don't.

[ChumpDumper]

:deadhorseSo you can't be specific. That's ok, but issues of the law can get that way.

[clambake]

i'm back!!!!!

flaglot!!! :lmao:lol:lmao:lmao:lol

[Yonivore]

They've had ample opportunity to describe Gates' actions in full outside of that report. I am of the opinion they have.
I'm of the opinion no one's asked the question.


No, I believe the police want to retain the ability to arrest people in that situation.
You didn't say I believe. You stated it as fact. That's making shit up.


If you don't think that, you should explain why.
Because it's not been my experience after being involved in law enforcement my entire career.


No one said he did anything else. I said I am basing my opinion on what was actually said to have happened.I know no one has said anything to refute my opinion based on only the facts. You only counter has been to make things up.

Of course you have. It's all you got.

What tumultuous behavior?

You made up what you thought it to be. The only thing that has ever been said Gates did that can be described as tumultuous behavior is yelling at the police -- and that tumultuous behavior cannot be prosecuted in Massachusetts.
All asked and answered. Until the question is asked of the arresting officer, you've got nothing but speculation.

[Spursmania]

So you can't be specific. That's ok, but issues of the law can get that way.

Guess what CD, I am a lawyer. I assume you are not?

It's clear you have a different opinion, and that's you're right. I'm not going to bash you for it. My opinion is different. I've already viewed the ridiculous posts in the Gates fiasco, and I have no desire to engage in beating a dead horse argument over and over ad nauseum...

[Yonivore]

Guess what CD, I am a lawyer. I assume you are not?

It's clear you have a different opinion, and that's you're right. I'm not going to bash you for it. My opinion is different. I've already viewed the ridiculous posts in the Gates fiasco, and I have no desire to engage in beating a dead horse argument over and over ad nauseum...
A c'mon...it's fun.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm of the opinion no one's asked the question.Great, so in the meantime you will just make shit up.



You didn't say I believe. You stated it as fact. That's making shit up.My apologies. "I believe."



Because it's not been my experience after being involved in law enforcement my entire career.So you have several examples of cops volunteering to circumscribe their own arrest powers. Let me know about those.


All asked and answered. Until the question is asked of the arresting officer, you've got nothing but speculation.I believe he has desribed the actions of Gates that got him arrested. I believe he or one of the other six cops (I believe that's the number) or one of the witnesses would have said if Gates had done anything more serious. Not one of them has.

[ChumpDumper]

Guess what CD, I am a lawyer. I assume you are not?Exactly, so it's surprising you can't be more specific -- but not so surprising at the same time.


It's clear you have a different opinion, and that's you're right. I'm not going to bash you for it. My opinion is different. I've already viewed the ridiculous posts in the Gates fiasco, and I have no desire to engage in beating a dead horse argument over and over ad nauseum...No one is forcing you to stay in this thread.

[Yonivore]

Great, so in the meantime you will just make shit up.
I've made nothing up.


My apologies. "I believe."
There, that wasn't hard, was it?


So you have several examples of cops volunteering to circumscribe their own arrest powers. Let me know about those.
I'm not sure what your asking for here. Either a person commits a crime or they don't. Either the officer arrests them or they don't. Sticking up for an officer on one arrest isn't any indication of future encounters. Saying you believe you wouldn't have made the arrest doesn't mean the officer who did was wrong.

It's not a club, it's a profession. I've seen officers pull others aside and tell them, flat out, I don't think you have reason to cuff him. There's absolutely no indication anyone at the scene of this incident had any problem with Professor Gates being arrested. Except, of course, Gates.


I believe he has desribed the actions of Gates that got him arrested. I believe he or one of the other six cops (I believe that's the number) or one of the witnesses would have said if Gates had done anything more serious. Not one of them has.
I believe you're wrong. Without a criminal complaint, you have no idea of the totality of Gates' actions that the officer believed warranted the arrest. What you have is an incident report -- about a burglary in progress -- that resulted in an arrest for disorderly conduct.

[Spursmania]

A c'mon...it's fun.

Actually, it's quite funny. :lol
The idiocy is unbelievable.

[Jacob1983]

I wonder who wanted to throw the first punch? I thought it was cool that the cop stood his ground and didn't apologize. Good for him. I wonder how Gates feels about being a pawn in this whole episode being a martyr for racism? Seriously, this story only made news because Gates is black. If he had been a cracker, no one would have given a shit. So in a way, that's racist. People only care because Gates is black. It's the same thing with the Sotomayor confirmation, if she had been a white woman, no would have given a shit. And people jizz over how it's a huge accomplishment that she's Latino and a supreme court judge. That means that they are saying that her race is a disadvantage and obstacle. That should be an insult toward Latinos.

[Wild Cobra]

That means that they are saying that her race is a disadvantage and obstacle. That should be an insult toward Latinos.
No shit.

When will the minorities and the guilt stricken whites ever let their prejudices go?

[ChumpDumper]

I've made nothing up.It's the only thing supporting your argument.


I'm not sure what your asking for here. Either a person commits a crime or they don't. Either the officer arrests them or they don't.Either they are able to arrest them or they aren't.
Sticking up for an officer on one arrest isn't any indication of future encounters.Desiring to keep the arrest power in the same situation is.
Saying you believe you wouldn't have made the arrest doesn't mean the officer who did was wrong.Sure. I never said that was the case.


It's not a club, it's a profession. I've seen officers pull others aside and tell them, flat out, I don't think you have reason to cuff him. There's absolutely no indication anyone at the scene of this incident had any problem with Professor Gates being arrested. Except, of course, Gates.I can believe they all wanted him to shut up and they all wanted to be able to throw someone in jail for doing what Gates did.


I believe you're wrong. Without a criminal complaint, you have no idea of the totality of Gates' actions that the officer believed warranted the arrest.I believe I do have a good idea why he was arrested.
What you have is an incident report -- about a burglary in progress -- that resulted in an arrest for disorderly conduct.I also have myriad interviews where witnesses never said Gates did anything more than yelling from his porch. In a case that reached this profile, I firmly believe that had Gates done anything worse than was already said, it would have come out already.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, it's quite funny. :lol
The idiocy is unbelievable.So, back up your opinion.

It should be easy for you.

[Spursmania]

So, back up your opinion.

It should be easy for you.

Sure, I'm going to waste my time reading the Mass. penal code, the police reports and the 911 tapes just to appease you. That's a good one:lmao:lmao

[Jacob1983]

Obama should be thankful for white guilt because if it didn't exist, he wouldn't be president right now. But seriously, am I the only one that wanted to see a fight at this thing?

[Spursmania]

Here's to CD trying to ball bust anyone who believes differently than him.:toast

[Yonivore]

I wonder who wanted to throw the first punch?
It doesn't sound like Sgt. Crowley ever lost his composure.


I thought it was cool that the cop stood his ground and didn't apologize. Good for him. I wonder how Gates feels about being a pawn in this whole episode being a martyr for racism? Seriously, this story only made news because Gates is black. If he had been a cracker, no one would have given a shit. So in a way, that's racist. People only care because Gates is black.
I don't believe that's exactly true. It only made news because Professor Gates made an issue of his own race and, unjustifiably, started accusing a police officer -- responding to check the welfare of his property -- of engaging in racial profiling. The man called attention to himself.

President Obama sent it nationwide with his stupid remark in the Press Conference.


It's the same thing with the Sotomayor confirmation, if she had been a white woman, no would have given a shit. And people jizz over how it's a huge accomplishment that she's Latino and a supreme court judge. That means that they are saying that her race is a disadvantage and obstacle. That should be an insult toward Latinos.
On the other side, she's spent a good portion of her career saying Latinos are better than whites and engaging in racist organizations.

I would say that if she had been a white woman and made some of the statements (inserting white for latino) that Sotomayor or had belonged to exclusive/activist organizations like Sotomayor, it would have been a hot topic.

I doubt a similarly tempered white woman wouldn't stand a chance...Wait, I'm sorry, a similarly tempered white CONSERVATIVE woman wouldn't stand a chance of making the court. I mean, ACLU Queen Ruth Bader Ginsburg made it, after all.

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder who wanted to throw the first punch?There was no indication anyone was thinking of punching anything.
I wonder how Gates feels about being a pawn in this whole episode being a martyr for racism?I think he feels pretty good. He's getting a lot of attention and a bunch of white people are confirming his suspicions about them.
Seriously, this story only made news because Gates is black. If he had been a cracker, no one would have given a shit.Agreed, but given the facts as they now stand, I would have thought the jailing unnecessary no matter what the person's race or political beliefs
So in a way, that's racist. People only care because Gates is black.Huh?
It's the same thing with the Sotomayor confirmation, if she had been a white woman, no would have given a shit.They would still give a shit.
And people jizz over how it's a huge accomplishment that she's Latino and a supreme court judge. That means that they are saying that her race is a disadvantage and obstacle. That should be an insult toward Latinos.No, one does not overcome being a member of a race.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, I'm going to waste my time reading the Mass. penal code, the police reports and the 911 tapes just to appease you. That's a good one:lmao:lmaoIt didn't take me much time at all. I can understand why you don't want to do it, but I don't understand why you want to stay in this thread and bitch about why you don't want to be in this thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Obama should be thankful for white guilt because if it didn't exist, he wouldn't be president right now. But seriously, am I the only one that wanted to see a fight at this thing?Why did you want to see a fight?

[ChumpDumper]

Here's to CD trying to ball bust anyone who believes differently than him.:toastHere's to your continued posting in this thread you don't want be in. :toast

[Spursmania]

It didn't take me much time at all. I can understand why you don't want to do it, but I don't understand why you want to stay in this thread and bitch about why you don't want to be in this thread.

I never posted in the gates/fiasco thread. That's the one I was referring to in my post. Frankly, this Gates case bores me, and I don't find it interesting in the slightest. And, since I can't get to sleep, I'm surfing ST threads now.

[ChumpDumper]

I never posted in the gates/fiasco thread. That's the one I was referring to in my post. Frankly, this Gates case bores me, and I don't find it interesting in the slightest. And, since I can't get to sleep, I'm surfing ST threads now.Yes, you are so bored with it, you can't stay out of the thread for it.

Please post again in this thread and tell us how much you don't want to be in this thread.

[Spursmania]

Yes, you are so bored with it, you can't stay out of the thread for it.

Well, when someone tries to insult me for no reason like yourself, I tend to check back on threads to see what other insults are hurled over for no legitimate reason.

[ChumpDumper]

What insult?

[clambake]

Well, when someone tries to insult me for no reason like yourself, I tend to check back on threads to see what other insults are hurled over for no legitimate reason.

you're a lawyer that ask for advice when their housekeeper is stealing from them?

you suck as a lawyer.

[Spursmania]

So you can't be specific. That's ok, but issues of the law can get that way.

I took that as an insult. Of course, I also found it ironic considering my vocation.:lol

[Cant_Be_Faded]

everything bush did was great, everything obama is doing is wrong :depressed

[Spursmania]

you're a lawyer that ask for advice when their housekeeper is stealing from them?

you suck as a lawyer.


It involved a moral issue never a legal one. There are no legal issues involved, dumb ass.

[clambake]

what should i do about a housekeeper that steals?



do you live near the LA riots?

[clambake]

i need morality lessons. what should i do?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Sure, I'm going to waste my time reading the Mass. penal code, the police reports and the 911 tapes just to appease you. That's a good one:lmao:lmao

In other words you won't support your arguments. how is anyone supposed to take you seriously now? I guess that begs the question, did anyone take you seriously to begin with?

[Spursmania]

In other words you won't support your arguments. how is anyone supposed to take you seriously now? I guess that begs the question, did anyone take you seriously to begin with?

I could give a shit less about your opinion.

[ChumpDumper]

I took that as an insult. Of course, I also found it ironic considering my vocation.:lolI didn't know your profession, but now that I do I will probably be as condescending in the future as you inferred from that post.

[Yonivore]

So, back to the top of the thread...

I wonder if feminists will rake Obama over the coals for snubbing Whalen.

What was Biden doing there?

And, now?

Beer brewers beg for White House berth (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25608.html)

Brewers are pissed.

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder if feminists will rake Obama over the coals for snubbing Whalen.No.
What was Biden doing there?Drinking beer, I guess.
Brewers are pissed.They seem to be quite happy.

[Spursmania]

you're a lawyer that ask for advice when their housekeeper is stealing from them?

you suck as a lawyer.

Yes, I suck so bad, that's why I can afford to hire help and you can't. Yeah, I suck so bad that I can afford to live in the same neighborhood as 3 Spur players. :rolleyes

So, you think people don't steal from lawyers? What planet do you come from, dumbville?

[Spursmania]

I didn't know your profession, but now that I do I will probably be as condescending in the future as you inferred from that post.

Come on, I've had a terrible day.:depressed

[ChumpDumper]

Come on, I've had a terrible day.:depressedUnderstood. I just read the other thread. I assume if you keep an eye on things for awhile and had taken care of whatever taxes, if any, you might have had to pay on her employment, etc., the worst of it should be over. Good luck in your future hires.

[clambake]

she stole my kids wallets and maybe their virginity. it's only been 6 years that i've ignored the world around me.......except that i'm living large next spurs playasssss....whut up ya'llllll. i'll wait for advice from my other white homeeeeees. my name is white chocolate!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Now that's an insult.

[clambake]

Now that's an insult.

i know how to do it. i teach morals at pepperdine.

[Spursmania]

i know how to do it. i teach morals at pepperdine.

Why would I feel insulted by a tiny pinhead like you who can't wait for daddy's check to arrive in the mail? Give me a break...

Maybe you can learn the difference between morality and legality dumbass. Care to define the difference as it is applied in this thread? I'd love to hear your answer.

By the way, do you have a job?

[Spursmania]

Understood. I just read the other thread. I assume if you keep an eye on things for awhile and had taken care of whatever taxes, if any, you might have had to pay on her employment, etc., the worst of it should be over. Good luck in your future hires.

Thanks. I thought the other thread would give me some support. Unfortunately, I now have to deal with the idiots like Clambake who can't put two sentences together and enjoys hurling insults to women and their children. What a man!

[clambake]

Why would I feel insulted by a tiny pinhead like you who can't wait for daddy's check to arrive in the mail? Give me a break...
do you know my dad? is his wallet in your housekeepers garage bedroom?


Maybe you can learn the difference between morality and legality dumbass.
you don't have morality skills.....remember. you can't make comments about morality when you're asking for advice.

Care to define the difference as it is applied in this thread? I'd love to hear your answer.
who cares about this thread anymore? your lack of morals is too interesting to ignore.

By the way, do you have a job?
i'm looking for a housekeeping gig where i can fleece a shit for brains attorney. i hear you're hiring. can i send you a resume?

[scott]

None of the beers were American. That's treason in my book.

[ChumpDumper]

None of the beers were American. That's treason in my book.I thought Gates and Obama had American beer, though I guess Bud Light is technically Belgian now. Biden has the job of finishing off W's stash of Buckler.

[scott]

Bud Light = Belgian
Blue Moon = Canadian
Red Stripe = Jamiacan

Now I wish I'd voted for McCain.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm pretty sure Gates ended up having a Sam Adams Light.

[scott]

Well at least Gates is a patriot then!

I actually have no clue what this story is all about - I just heard about the beer-side of it through the grapevine.

[Spursmania]

do you know my dad? is his wallet in your housekeepers garage bedroom?

I don't need to know your Dad to understand your lack of education. It's evident by your incoherent jibber.


you don't have morality skills.....remember. you can't make comments about morality when you're asking for advice.

Of course I can make comments just as I had the entire thread. Asking opinions does not bar one nor strip one of their core morals. It's simply an advice thread. That's what ST is about, it's a message board.



i'm looking for a housekeeping gig where i can fleece a shit for brains attorney. i hear you're hiring. can i send you a resume?

I thought you'd be looking for a job. I'm sure it pays more than what you're making, that's for sure. And, this attorney has already made more than you ever will in your lifetime.

[Jacob1983]

You know that Gates and Crowley wanted to fight. Crowley probablys hate Gates and vice versa. They would love to fuck each other up in a fight.

Race is an obstacle for minorities. If it wasn't then why is it always a big deal when a minority accomplishes something? Everyone does it. When a person sees a minority accomplish something important or impressive or sees a minority that is successful, they are in awe and shock. It's like they don't expect that from minorities.
Seriously, no one would have given a fuck if Sotomayor was white. Shit, she wouldn't have even been appointed by Obama. Besides, Sotomayor is just a pawn of Obama. I remember him saying how that he wanted a Latino on the Supreme Court. He got his way. Sotomayor is a winner of affirmative action. She should be thankful that she's Latino because it helped get that spot on the Supreme Court.

Gates did it make it about race so in a way he did play the race card but the story only got attention because he's black. If Gates was a white guy and the same shit happened, no one would care.

[ChumpDumper]

You know that Gates and Crowley wanted to fight. Crowley probablys hate Gates and vice versa. They would love to fuck each other up in a fight.No, that's what you are wishing for.


Race is an obstacle for minorities. If it wasn't then why is it always a big deal when a minority accomplishes something? Everyone does it. When a person sees a minority accomplish something important or impressive or sees a minority that is successful, they are in awe and shock. It's like they don't expect that from minorities.Race is not an obstacle. Some people's perception of race can cause obstacles.

Seriously, no one would have given a fuck if Sotomayor was white.People always give a fuck about Supreme Court nominees. Maybe you wouldn't care as much, but people would
Shit, she wouldn't have even been appointed by Obama.That's unclear; she is quite an experienced jurist -- arguably one of most experienced candidates appointed in a long time.
Besides, Sotomayor is just a pawn of Obama.That is said a lot and almost never comes to happen in Supreme Court nominations
I remember him saying how that he wanted a Latino on the Supreme Court. He got his way.Could you give me a link to that quote?
Sotomayor is a winner of affirmative action. She should be thankful that she's Latino because it helped get that spot on the Supreme Court.It's possible, but it's not like she never did anything in her career.


Gates did it make it about race so in a way he did play the race card but the story only got attention because he's black. If Gates was a white guy and the same shit happened, no one would care.It would be silly if a white man said this is how a black man is treated in America referring to himself.

[clambake]

hey spursmania, you can say whatever you want in a thread.

you don't need to PM me anymore.

[Spursmania]

hey spursmania, you can say whatever you want in a thread.

you don't need to PM me anymore.

:tu Thanks.

[JudynTX]

Is this being called BeerGate?

[Spursmania]

Coors’ Blue Moon to shine at White House Gates-Crowley peace gathering

Denver Business Journal - by Ed Sealover (http://www.bizjournals.com/search/results.html?Ntt=%22Ed%20Sealover%22&Ntk=All&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial)



The most anticipated White House beer-drinking gathering in memory will involve the president of the United States, a Harvard professor, a Cambridge policeman — and the product of a Golden brewer.
Cambridge, Mass., Police Sgt. James Crowley requested Blue Moon as his beer of choice at the upcoming meeting with President Barack Obama and Harvard Professor Henry Gates, according to the Wall Street Journal.
The Blue Moon Brewing Co. (http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/related_content.html?topic=Blue%20Moon%20Brewing%2 0Co) is owned by Coors Brewing Co. (http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/gen/Coors_Brewing_Co._308F5A095A0E4E99B328872DAB01315C .html) of Golden. Its namesake beer was created in 1995.
Blue Moon evidently is a favorite of Crowley's. According to New York Daily News columnist Michael Daly (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/07/26/2009-07-26_hello_sgt_crowley_its_the_president.html), Crowley was sipping one at a pub Friday when Obama called him to invite him to a White House meeting.
Gates is expected to drink a Beck’s or a Red Stripe at the gathering, while Obama is likely to have a Budweiser, according to a transcript from Monday’s White House press briefing. (See below.)
On July 16, Crowley, who is white, responded to a report of two black men in backpacks allegedly trying to break into a house at Cambridge and found Gates and his driver trying to enter Gates’ house when the front door would not open.
Gates, who is black, became angry and loudly questioned whether the action was a racist one, and Crowley arrested him on suspicion of disorderly conduct.
Obama said later that Cambridge police had “acted stupidly” in the incident, but later back-pedaled after coming under pressure from some members of Congress for his choice of words.
The president then invited Crowley and Gates to the White House for a beer later this week.

Here is an excerpt from Monday’s White House press briefing by press secretary Robert Gibbs, as provided by the White House. (The reporters asking questions weren’t identified.)
Question: OK. And another subject, Officer Crowley is drinking Blue Moon, we hear Professor Gates is drinking Red Stripe or Becks -- what’s the president drinking?
Gibbs: The president had a Budweiser at the All-Star Game, so -- why are you looking at me like that? That’s what he drank.
Q: We’re talking Blue Moon, Red Stripe, Becks --
Gibbs: What’s wrong with Budweiser? Why do you hate Budweiser? (Laughter.)
Q: Well, he could get —
Gibbs: Why do you hate Budweiser, Wendell? (Laughter.) Wendell, how about this — How about you and I, we’ll go pick out the beer, we’ll do the beer run. ... (Laughter.)
Q: I’m happy to do that.
Gibbs: ... We’ll go on the beer run together and pick it up in anticipation of the meeting.
Q: Pretzel or chips?
Gibbs: Say again?
Q: Pretzel or chips?
Gibbs: We’re just going to go straight beer. No sense in diluting it.

[Spursmania]

Is this being called BeerGate?

I like your sig:lol

[Viva Las Espuelas]

and the failing continues.
get over it.
gates lost.
cop won.
president, nonpresidential.



queue dumpfail in 5..........4............3..............2.......... .and fail.

[ChumpDumper]

I failed.Cue more Esfailas in 5..........4............3..............2.......... .and fail.

[Jacob1983]

Stop being a pussy and think for one second, okay. Are you honestly going to tell me that Gates has never wanted to punch Crowley? If you were in Gates' situation or if you were Gates, you're gonna tell me that you wouldn't want to punch Crowley?

Obama is a big affirmative action supporter. He believes in rewarding people solely based on their skin color and not on their experience, qualifications, and talent.

Obama should have had a Zima but Zima is discontinued now.

Seriously, if Sotomayor had been a white woman with a last name of Jones or Smith, the media coverage would have been minimal. People wouldn't have cared that much.

[clambake]

Stop being a pussy and think for one second, okay. Are you honestly going to tell me that Gates has never wanted to punch Crowley? If you were in Gates' situation or if you were Gates, you're gonna tell me that you wouldn't want to punch Crowley?

Obama is a big affirmative action supporter. He believes in rewarding people solely based on their skin color and not on their experience, qualifications, and talent.

Obama should have had a Zima but Zima is discontinued now.

Seriously, if Sotomayor had been a white woman with a last name of Jones or Smith, the media coverage would have been minimal. People wouldn't have cared that much.
:dizzy

[ChumpDumper]

Stop being a pussy and think for one second, okay. Are you honestly going to tell me that Gates has never wanted to punch Crowley? If you were in Gates' situation or if you were Gates, you're gonna tell me that you wouldn't want to punch Crowley?Not everyone wants to punch everyone else all the time. Quit projecting your own impotent rage on other people.


Obama is a big affirmative action supporter. He believes in rewarding people solely based on their skin color and not on their experience, qualifications, and talent.Untrue. Otherwise, he would be appointing people off the street and he wouldn't have appointed any white people to any position.


Obama should have had a Zima but Zima is discontinued now.I bet you want to punch the guy who discontinued Zima.


Seriously, if Sotomayor had been a white woman with a last name of Jones or Smith, the media coverage would have been minimal. People wouldn't have cared that much.People always care about SCOTUS nominations. The last couple were white dudes and they received a lot of attention. You were just too busy wanting to punch black people to notice.

[DarrinS]

Evidently, the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.


Gates' daughter weighs in:


http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-31/what-i-saw-at-the-beer-summit/





In a world in which the conversation on race has traditionally taken a back seat to both logic and reason, it’s no wonder that yesterday’s so-called “Beer Summit” at the White House seemed to make little sense at all. It wasn’t because the President was wrong in offering up a few cold ones to my father, Henry Louis Gates, and the now infamous Sergeant James Crowley in an attempt to tame the media blitz around my father’s arrest—it was because like most issues that make their way to TMZ, the reference point had shifted. The debate over Red Stripe and Blue Moon had somehow overshadowed the fact that this story began with a black Harvard professor and a white cop from Natick, Mass—and as CNN’s countdown clock to the event taunted viewers like a time bomb, it was clear that this day wasn’t going to be the beginning of a serious discussion on human relations but rather a circus-like ending of a misunderstanding between a couple of very decent men.

I can’t say that I was shocked.

As our family rounded the corner to the White House library and I first caught sight of Sergeant Crowley’s lovely 14-year old daughter—who was wearing an appropriately heavy and charmingly untrained amount of green eyeliner on her lower lashes—we were instantly transported from the post-racial myth of America in 2008 to the reality of 2009. There they stood, a pleasant family of five, listening patiently to the overzealous tour guide boast about the fully functioning fireplace to the left of the doorframe.

As soon as my father’s foot crossed the threshold of the room, the storm of mediators immediately rushed to introduce us, but true to form, my father cut right through the thick tension of hurried salutations and offered the Sgt. his hand and joked, “You looked bigger the last time I saw you.” Crowley’s cheeks flushed red as a smile dashed across his lips, and his young son, whose cheeks had long since flushed the same muted crimson, looked up at his father and smiled. This wasn’t a family raised on hate. At that moment, right there in the library, they were just like us: a young family groomed to perfection, waiting to learn how to get those damn cameramen off their lawn and to put this sensationalized hell behind them.

Moments later, the Sergeant and my father were escorted to the Rose Garden where the press sat waiting “at least 40 feet away” while the rest of us continued on with our tour. As we walked by a set of French doors that gave a clear view of this highly anticipated talk, and I saw Mr. Obama’s lean body coolly draped over a lawn chair I wondered what these four men—President Obama, Vice President Biden, Sgt. Crowley and my father—could possibly say to heal this situation and what the press was actually waiting for. Would my father and Sgt. Crowley be reduced to who they were on that fateful day in my father’s house on Ware Street and give us all a glimpse of what really happened? Or could it be that this small collection of men were actually devising some master plan to rid the world of all racist tendencies right there in the Presidential Rose Garden over a few brewskis? No. That would have been impossible to achieve—even on Obama’s best day and even if my father had actually finished his Sam Adams.

Discrimination is the single greatest wound in American history and could never be solved over a beer. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. There are more black men in prison than in college and literally thousands of black men are arrested across this country each day. And while I might agree with the President’s initial statement that the “Cambridge Police Department acted stupidly,” my father is not the first nor will he be the last black man to be arrested for no reason—in his own home or elsewhere—and Sgt. Crowley isn’t the first officer to fudge a police report. They are simply pawns in the rebirth of unfashionable intolerance in a world that likes to think our dashing brown-skinned 44th President has emerged to make nice with the past, present, and future. It’s an impossible task for the President and speaks more to our nation’s vulnerable value system than the unfortunately common situation my father and the Cambridge police found themselves embroiled in. As my father said on the plane yesterday morning on our way to the White House, “there are approximately 800,000 black men in prison and on July 16, 2009, I simply became one of them.”

[DarrinS]

^Her and the FLOTUS should get together over an Appletini and discuss their mutual greivances.

[ChumpDumper]

I agree that discrimination could never be solved over a beer.

[DarrinS]

Guliani: Lesson from the "teachable moment"? Shut up!

YVZNSkB5FiA

[clambake]

911 rudy!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Guliani: Lesson from the "teachable moment"? Shut up!

YVZNSkB5FiA

who is rudy guliani? And why should we care what he says?

[jack sommerset]

who is rudy guliani? And why should we care what he says?

Glad to see you researched ur 2008 presidential candidates..

[clambake]

his campaign was forgettable.

[Jacob1983]

What did this meeting accomplish other than Obama getting his picture taken? Seriously, this whole thing was an epic fail. It solved nothing and accomplished zero. Gates still hates Crowley and vice versa.

[SonOfAGun]

What did this meeting accomplish other than Obama getting his picture taken?


Mission Accomplished.

http://lighthousepatriotjournal.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/obama_contempt.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

What did this meeting accomplish other than Obama getting his picture taken? Seriously, this whole thing was an epic fail. It solved nothing and accomplished zero. Gates still hates Crowley and vice versa.What proof do you have that they still hate each other?

[Jacob1983]

None. What proof do you have that they don't hate each other?

[ChumpDumper]

They met and their families talked for a bit and I believe they agreed to meet again.

[TheProfessor]

Funny, Obama basically did some alternative dispute resolution. It was largely for the photo op, but getting people to sit down and talk out their issues sends a good message, in my opinion. Not every contentious issue has to end in litigation and animosity.

[clambake]

Funny, Obama basically did some alternative dispute resolution. It was largely for the photo op, but getting people to sit down and talk out their issues sends a good message, in my opinion. Not every contentious issue has to end in litigation and animosity.

you're wrong. i can't believe he sat down with these guys without pre-conditions.

its like sitting down with almonddeanajhad.

[Jacob1983]

If you were in Gates' situation, you know in your heart that you would want to beat the shit out of that cop. Just imagine you get arrested for breaking into your own house and you and Obama sit down to talk to the cop that arrested you. You're honestly going to tell me that you wouldn't like to punch the cop? I think this whole thing shows how much of a dumbass Obama is. The economy is fucked up, the unemployment rate is going up, and this guy is sitting down to have a beer with these two bozos and Uncle Joe? There are more important things going on in America than this stupid douchebag professor and the dumbass cop.

[Oh, Gee!!]

There are more important things going on in America than this stupid douchebag professor and the dumbass cop.

yup--which is why this situation will not be a positive for Obama--at best he breaks even.

[ChumpDumper]

If you were in Gates' situation, you know in your heart that you would want to beat the shit out of that cop. Just imagine you get arrested for breaking into your own house and you and Obama sit down to talk to the cop that arrested you. You're honestly going to tell me that you wouldn't like to punch the cop?I probably would have gotten over it by then. Definitely after the beer.

[johnsmith]

My opinion on Obama and his presidency thus far aside, this is fucking ridiculous and it's another example of a politician assuming that the general population is a bunch of children and we'll all see this as 'bait' to vote for him next time around.


Our government is an emberassment throughout the world and this isn't helping any.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What did this meeting accomplish other than Obama getting his picture taken? Seriously, this whole thing was an epic fail. It solved nothing and accomplished zero. Gates still hates Crowley and vice versa.

What, you really thought this was anything other than a photo op for the TOTUS?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Our government is an emberassment throughout the world and this isn't helping any.

I thought your side didn't care what others thought of this country. Seems to me that's all we heard from you deadenders during the bush/cheney debacle. So settle this now do you care what others think of this country?

Simple question.

[BRHornet45]

sons I GUARANTEE you that trendy, bandwagon jumping Obama had his staff check the numbers for the current best selling beer ... that sons is why he chose to drink a Bud Lite. I'm sure next week he will be tweeting with Perez Hilton ...

[Jacob1983]

And Perez Hilton will call Obama a fag and/or the n-word.

[Winehole23]

what is President Obama hiding (http://www.reddit.com/r/Homebrewing/comments/yjlp9/so_i_submitted_a_foia_request_for_you_today/)?

[Winehole23]

most transparent (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/30/obama-says-white-house-soon-to-reveal-beer-recipe/)administration evar!

[TeyshaBlue]

mmmmm.....honey ale.

[Winehole23]

according to Ben Shapiro, Obama broke the right by occasionally pointing out that racial discrimination still exists


Klein: It’s hard for me when I look back on that, on the “beer summit” in particular, to hear: That’s what radicalized you all?

Shapiro: Yes. And the reason is: The implicit promise of Barack Obama was the worst conflict in the history of America — which is the racial history of the United States, which is truly horrifying. That in his person, he was basically going to be the capstone of the great movement toward Martin Luther King’s dream.

And when, instead, things seemed to move in the opposite direction, which was: Well, you know, it turns out that Black people in America, they’re inherently victimized by a white supremacist system that puts Black people underfoot….

Klein: It kind of sounds like the interpretation of Obama, at least to you, was that if he’s elected, we’ll agree we’ve gotten past all this — that it’s supposed to make us feel better, and then when it didn’t, that was understood as the betrayal of a promise.
Shapiro: That is how I think most Americans saw it.
https://smotus.substack.com/p/when-the-right-broke-according-to

[Winehole23]

same old bad faith Republicans, same old gutter bigotry