Parker back in San Antonio !!!!

[Pauleta14]

From "L'équipe" website

http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/breves2009/20090731_010211_parker-rentre-a-san-antonio.html

Info L'Equipe : Tony Parker ne jouera pas le match de repêchage pour l'Euro contre l'Italie. En effet, après avoir pris connaissance des examens médicaux passés par le meneur français, le staff des San Antonio Spurs lui a demandé de rentrer au Etats-Unis. "TP" prend donc l'avion vendredi matin pour retourner dans son club. En l'état actuel des choses, sa participation aux autres matches de qualification pour l'Euro est suspendue.


After the SA staff had seen the Xray, they asked him to come back at once...

ps: I'm not a good translator, so if one of the french ST ...

[Thompson]

I thought this was a joke response to "Odom back in L.A.," which actually didn't worry me that much. Now I feel sick. I'm hoping the Spurs just used whatever excuse they could to get him away from international play for a couple weeks.

[Pauleta14]

They probably don't wanna take any risks with the promising/costly upcoming season!:wakeup

[Spursfan092120]

It basically says he will not play. The Spurs, after seeing the medical exam told him to return, and the participation in the rest of the qualification matches are suspended. At least that's what I got out of it. Others could do better, I'm sure. This is only from 2 years in French class in High School :lmao

[Dex]

My crappy widget-provided translation. Anybody who actually knows French, feel free to correct me.


Tony Parker will not play the repechage match for the Euro against Italy. Indeed, after reading medical examinations provided by France, the staff of the San Antonio Spurs asked him to return to the United States. Tony takes the plane Friday morning to return to his club. In the present situation, his participation in other qualifying matches for Euro is suspended.

[Pauleta14]

I thought this was a joke response to "Odom back in L.A.," which actually didn't worry me that much. Now I feel sick. I'm hoping the Spurs just used whatever excuse they could to get him away from international play for a couple weeks.

I definetly think so too...

[sonic21]

"tony will not play against italy. Indeed, after seeing the results of the Xray, the spurs staff asked him to come back to SA. So tony is flying to SA friday morning. For now, he may not play the remaining games"

[ducks]

tony listens to managment
hummmmmmmmmm

[Pauleta14]

[quote=Dex;3600504]My crappy widget-provided translation. Anybody who actually knows French, feel free to correct me.[/quote

Thanks!
Perfect translation, it wasn't that hard indeed!
I must admit I was just fed up...:lol

Anyway, I still hope the french team can still get the last ticket for the european championship without TP.
Maybe he can be back for the start of the tournament...

[timaios]

So the Spurs medical staff doesn't know how to take a plane for France ? :bang

[Pauleta14]

tony listens to managment
hummmmmmmmmm

If he is ACTUALY injured, he knows it's the best for him (even if he won't admit it publicly)...

[Muser]

Good.

[timaios]

Good.

You know what is good... The dream of Tony is to win something with French NT and to participate in the Olympics.

So the Spurs FO are killing his dreams. I am sure Tony will be pleased with that. :toast

[timvp]

The damn French doctors need to stop lying about TP's injuries if they ever want to build trust. Every time TP gets injured, the French doctors claim it's a "very minor" injury. And then we find out it isn't.

Instead of rushing to deem everything as very minor, actually take a look at it with an eye that isn't solely wanting Parker to help the Franch NT. I've somewhat supported Parker's participation this summer but this is getting ridiculous.

[loveforthegame]

I don't see how this is good news. Just as I don't see the Spurs using this as an excuse to make him return to SA and prevent him playing with the NT without cause.

[timvp]

You know what is good... The dream of Tony is to win something with French NT and to participate in the Olympics.

So the Spurs FO are killing his dreams. I am sure Tony will be pleased with that. :toast

If Parker is flying back, he realizes something is wrong. TP knows that the Spurs technically can't prevent him from playing.

That makes me worry about the severity of the injury because TP obviously loves his NT and would play injured if he could. He has to actually be hurt.

[DPG21920]

Bruno seems to use the same French doctor defense by backing up all of their claims. Glad to hear they are being extra cautious about it.

[diego]

sucks for parker, hope its not serious

it seems like way too little info though for people to be drawing conclusions so soon

[Bruno]

If Parker is flying back, he realizes something is wrong. TP knows that the Spurs technically can't prevent him from playing.


:rolleyes
TP doesn't understand at all why Spurs wants that he come back to SA.
He comes back because he had to follow Spurs order.

[Kori Ellis]

:rolleyes
TP doesn't understand at all why Spurs wants that he come back to SA.
He comes back because he had to follow Spurs order.

What does the translation say exactly? That he's coming to SA for evaluation?

[Bruno]

What does the translation say exactly? That he's coming to SA for evaluation?

Yes.

[timvp]

:rolleyes
TP doesn't understand at all why Spurs wants that he come back to SA.
He comes back because he had to follow Spurs order.

Do you have a quote or are you just assuming? And Parker doesn't have to follow the Spurs' order during the summer. Manu sure didn't last summer . . .

[Rogue]

If Parker is flying back, he realizes something is wrong. TP knows that the Spurs technically can't prevent him from playing.

That makes me worry about the severity of the injury because TP obviously loves his NT and would play injured if he could. He has to actually be hurt.
France NT has also got many other decent players besides TL, even without TL that team still isn't a scrub. I think the international games are easily overwhelmed by the health and durability of a player in long term. 82 games plus post season are exhausting enough for most NBA players, and they deserve a summer of vacation. TL's france NT had better spend a minute checking the case of Yao, who has been already worn out by the tedious endless international games summer in and summer out.

[DPG21920]

He should be playing for the NT. He just needs to be careful and the Spurs should come first imo, because that is how he makes his living. The Spurs and the French NT need to be working together and put everything on the table.

[Rogue]

:rolleyes
TP doesn't understand at all why Spurs wants that he come back to SA.
He comes back because he had to follow Spurs order.
It's god-given rights for players to take good care of their health, as it is already old conception that a player should fight till he loses the last drip of this blood. A healthy TL will serve his NT for many more years, getting him injured isn't good news for either side. The Spurs and France NT are actually on the same boat in terms of using TL, the only different between them is just Spurs know the situation while France NT doesn't.

[Bruno]

Do you have a quote or are you just assuming?

I have a quote.


San Antonio m'a instamment demandé de revenir pour être vu par les médecins de la franchise. Je ne comprends sincèrement pas cette décision malgrè tous les tests réalisés en commun avec les médecins de l'équipe de France et les Spurs. Je regrette ce qui se passe. Je suis obligé de suivre les injonctions de mon club mais j'espère revenir au plus vite pour participer aux qualifications avec l'équipe de France.

Parker: "San Antonio has urgently asked me to come back to be seen by Franchise doctors. I honestly don't understand this decision despite all the test realized in common with French NT doctors and Spurs. I regret what happens. I must follow Spurs' order but I hope to be back quickly to play Euro qualifications with French NT."

[Rogue]

If TL is severely injured, the france NT should send him back to SA where he can receive the best treatment, even without the Spurs demanding the release for TL. Dudes just are not as professional in this business as the Spurs and other NBA teams are, their 19th century concept no longer works in today's business world.

[Chillen]

It could be minor but he was asked to come back to the USA and suspend play and rest it. The Spurs FO does not want to risk any further injury, and I can't blame them.

[timvp]

Parker: "San Antonio has urgently asked me to come back to be seen by Franchise doctors. I honestly don't understand this decision despite all the test realized in common with French NT doctors and Spurs. I regret what happens. I must follow Spurs' order but I hope to be back quickly to play Euro qualifications with French NT."

Thanks for the quote.

I don't see how the Spurs get blamed in this. Parker doesn't have to listen to their request. As we saw last summer, the Spurs could ask and beg but that doesn't mean the player has to listen.

The only bad news in all of this is that Parker appears to be legitimately injured. I don't worry about his relationship with the Spurs since Pop sacrificed being in San Antonio during the free agency period to participate in TP's camp. I don't worry about the French NT because Parker would play if he could and they'd take him if he could play.

We know the "very minor" injury diagnosis was a lie. We just have to hope that it isn't a major injury.

[timaios]

Thanks for the quote.

I don't see how the Spurs get blamed in this. Parker doesn't have to listen to their request. As we saw last summer, the Spurs could ask and beg but that doesn't mean the player has to listen.

The only bad news in all of this is that Parker appears to be legitimately injured. I don't worry about his relationship with the Spurs since Pop sacrificed being in San Antonio during the free agency period to participate in TP's camp. I don't worry about the French NT because Parker would play if he could and they'd take him if he could play.

We know the "very minor" injury diagnosis was a lie. We just have to hope that it isn't a major injury.

What... i like you timvp, but stop that nonsense !
It IS a minor injury.

[raspsa]

Just the Spurs being extra cautious. Considering the investments the team has made recently, why risk something minor getting worse?

[timvp]

What... i like you timvp, but stop that nonsense !
It IS a minor injury.

I'm guessing it's probably a regular ankle sprain. It don't see how it could be minor given how the events have played out.

[z0sa]

My initial reaction is Pop and co, thinking of the Holt and the ownership group's extremely recent investments, want to be extra careful. I doubt the actual injury is serious.

After Manu's ankle woes last summer and beyond, this is actually quite predictable behavior on the Spurs behalf.

[Bruno]

I don't see how the Spurs get blamed in this. Parker doesn't have to listen to their request. As we saw last summer, the Spurs could ask and beg but that doesn't mean the player has to listen.

Sure, it's great to start a war with your boss...



The only bad news in all of this is that Parker appears to be legitimately injured.

RIF. If Parker is surprised why Spurs asked him to come back in SA, it means that he isn't seriously injured.



I don't worry about his relationship with the Spurs since Pop sacrificed being in San Antonio during the free agency period to participate in TP's camp. I don't worry about the French NT because Parker would play if he could and they'd take him if he could play.

If French NT doesn't qualify because TP was called back to SA for nothing, I'm sure that he will be quite mad at Spurs.



We know the "very minor" injury diagnosis was a lie. We just have to hope that it isn't a major injury.

No, you don't know, stop the BS.

[Libri]

Why wouldn't the Spurs trust the French NT doctors' diagnosis?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You know what is good... The dream of Tony is to win something with French NT and to participate in the Olympics.

So the Spurs FO are killing his dreams. I am sure Tony will be pleased with that. :toast

If they do not beat Italy they will not play at 2009 Euro championship. They will not play then at 2010 World Championship either. But that has nothing to do with Olympics. The 2011 Euro championship will decide that.

[Kori Ellis]

I put out a few emails out to find out the scoop. Hopefully we get some news here in S.A. soon. I'm guessing it was a routine sprain but the Spurs are being extra cautious.

[sonic21]

like the article said, tony is walking normally and he even started running, the spurs asked him to do other Xray which showed his injury wasn't serious. He was sure to play the remaining games. He's really surprised by the spurs decision

[Libri]

I put out a few emails out to find out the scoop. Hopefully we get some news here in S.A. soon. I'm guessing it was a routine sprain but the Spurs are being extra cautious.

Yes, but shouldn't the diagnosis from the French doctors be enough?

[timaios]

Oh, and if Tony still play against Italy the 5th august (or in the next games), i am sure that the plane travel and jet lag will do marvelous things for his health.

That is just great ! :bang

[Thompson]

Yes, but shouldn't the diagnosis from the French doctors be enough?

Do you remember what happened last year?

[timvp]

Sure, it's great to start a war with your boss...Manu did and the Spurs reacted by picking him up at the airport and forcing local writers to write apology articles.


RIF. If Parker is surprised why Spurs asked him to come back in SA, it means that he isn't seriously injured.I said legitimately. If he wasn't legitimately injured, he'd be either playing or so close to playing that he could ignore the Spurs' request.


If French NT doesn't qualify because TP was called back to SA for nothing, I'm sure that he will be quite mad at Spurs.He could ignore the Spurs' request if he isn't concerned at all about his health. The Spurs couldn't do anything and if he's out there playing while healthy, he'd have ammo to use the next time the Spurs tell him to come back.

"You told me to come back last time and as I showed you I knew I was healthy."


No, you don't know, stop the BS.Him not having a "very minor" injury isn't BS. A very minor injury would allow him to play. A very minor injury wouldn't have him questionable against Italy prior to the Spurs intervening.

By now, a very minor injury would be 100%. TP wouldn't be flying to San Antonio if he was 100%.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yes, but shouldn't the diagnosis from the French doctors be enough?

Everyone in the world outside the US knows the Americans have the very worst doctors. Just ignore what they say about medicine. They are decades behind.

[sonic21]

Do you remember what happened last year?

you mean when he got hurt playing with the spurs, sure that was the french doctors' fault

[ducks]

Sure, it's great to start a war with your boss...



RIF. If Parker is surprised why Spurs asked him to come back in SA, it means that he isn't seriously injured.



If French NT doesn't qualify because TP was called back to SA for nothing, I'm sure that he will be quite mad at Spurs.



No, you don't know, stop the BS.



bruno tp is smarter then manu
he knows spurs put contract extextension on hold
manu would have already been extentioned had he not played last summer

[z0sa]

lol extentioned

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

bruno tp is smarter then manu
he knows spurs put contract extextension on hold
manu would have already been extentioned had he not played last summer

More like Parker's wife is more greedy than Manu's wife.

[DPG21920]

How can you be mad as a Spurs fan Bruno? I understand you being upset as a FNT fan, but as a Spurs fan?

Are you really claiming to be upset because you think TP might not re-sign over the issue?

[Bruno]

Manu did and the Spurs reacted by picking him up at the airport and forcing local writers to write apology articles.

I said legitimately. If he wasn't legitimately injured, he'd be either playing or so close to playing that he could ignore the Spurs' request.

He could ignore the Spurs' request if he isn't concerned at all about his health. The Spurs couldn't do anything and if he's out there playing while healthy, he'd have ammo to use the next time the Spurs tell him to come back.

So you're argument why TP is seriously injury is that he doesn't say "fuck you" to his boss ? :lol




Him not having a "very minor" injury isn't BS. A very minor injury would allow him to play. A very minor injury wouldn't have him questionable against Italy prior to the Spurs intervening.

By now, a very minor injury would be 100%. TP wouldn't be flying to San Antonio if he was 100%.

You're the one calling it "very minor".

Since day one, the report about TP's injury was that he would rest for few days before starting to practice progressively back.

[benefactor]

My initial reaction is Pop and co, thinking of the Holt and the ownership group's extremely recent investments, want to be extra careful.

This.

The Spurs have taken a huge financial gamble this year in hopes of it paying off with a title. Every single move they have made and every dime they have spent will be for nothing if Parker is injured. I wouldn't be surprised if this request/demand for Parker to come back came from Holt himself.

[sonic21]

How can you be mad as a Spurs fan Bruno? I understand you being upset as a FNT fan, but as a Spurs fan?

Are you really claiming to be upset because you think TP might not re-sign over the issue?

i think if the spurs are doing the same thing in 2 years with the qualification for the olympics, he'll not resign.

[Bruno]

How can you be mad as a Spurs fan Bruno? I understand you being upset as a FNT fan, but as a Spurs fan?

Are you really claiming to be upset because you think TP might not re-sign over the issue?

I'm mainly mad as a FNT fan.

Now as a Spurs fan, you surely would be damn happy to see Spurs being a lottery team for Duncan's last year because TP is gone. It woudl eb an awesome way to end Duncan's career...

[timvp]

So you're argument why TP is seriously injury is that he doesn't say "fuck you" to his boss ? :lolHe could just say no. It'd be pretty easy for him to say that he's going to play through a minor ankle injury especially since the Spurs didn't/couldn't force Manu to stop from playing with an ankle that required surgery.


You're the one calling it "very minor".

Since day one, the report about TP's injury was that he would rest for few days before starting to practice progressively back.

Yeah those "few days" were almost a week ago. I haven't seen anything about him starting to practice. Being able to walk without a limp doesn't mean he's anywhere close to even practicing.

If he were on the practice court, I doubt the Spurs could drag him back to San Antonio kicking and screaming.

The progression of "out a few days" to "maybe out for the Italy game" to the Spurs wanting him to come back to San Antonio sounds more serious than the initial diagnosis.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think the Spurs calling Tony home for a checkup is going to impact whether he re-signs with S.A. or not. Pretty much every team in the league would call someone home if they thought there was a reason. He'll come home, get checked and go back to France next week to play (if he's healthy).

[sonic21]

He could just say no. It'd be pretty easy for him to say that he's going to play through a minor ankle injury especially since the Spurs didn't/couldn't force Manu to stop from playing with an ankle that required surgery.



Yeah those "few days" were almost a week ago. I haven't seen anything about him starting to practice. Being able to walk without a limp doesn't mean he's anywhere close to even practicing.

If he were on the practice court, I doubt the Spurs could drag him back to San Antonio kicking and screaming.

The progression of "out a few days" to "maybe out for the Italy game" to the Spurs wanting him to come back to San Antonio sounds more serious than the initial diagnosis.

he started practicing, he started running and all, he was truly "out a few days"

[benefactor]

I understand this is frustrating for our French fans...but you have to understand what is at stake here. This year is not just another year. The FO has elected to head into tax territory in a down economy while other teams are running scared. They are doing this with the hopes that it will yield a title...a title that is unattainable without Parker. I fully support them wanting to see him with their own eyes...because if it was my money I would want it too.

[sonic21]

I don't think the Spurs calling Tony home for a checkup is going to impact whether he re-signs with S.A. or not. Pretty much every team in the league would call someone home if they thought there was a reason. He'll come home, get checked and go back to France next week to play (if he's healthy).

isn't it smarter to send the spurs doctors in France? Now he may miss th most important game of the tournament

[timvp]

he started practicing, he started running and all, he was truly "out a few days"

Did he start running or start practicing? Running doesn't equal practice.

If the Spurs came to him and said that they want him to fly to San Antonio to get checked out, TP could have just said "No, I'm find .... look I'm even practicing" and the Spurs couldn't have done anything.

[DPG21920]

I'm mainly mad as a FNT fan.

Now as a Spurs fan, you surely would be damn happy to see Spurs being a lottery team for Duncan's last year because TP is gone. It woudl eb an awesome way to end Duncan's career...

This is a pretty wild claim. So you think that if the team is doing well next year and the year after, with Tim still on it, and with all of the relationship and love built up over time, that TP would leave?

He might leave, but I doubt it would be because of this. You are seemingly making claims that do not make much sense because you are angry.

[DPG21920]

i think if the spurs are doing the same thing in 2 years with the qualification for the olympics, he'll not resign.

If he stays healthy, why would anything be a problem. If he is not, I would be happy to see them be extra cautious.

[sonic21]

Did he start running or start practicing? Running doesn't equal practice.

If the Spurs came to him and said that they want him to fly to San Antonio to get checked out, TP could have just said "No, I'm find .... look I'm even practicing" and the Spurs couldn't have done anything.

but there's something wrong, why can't the spurs doctor come to france to check on him. It makes no sense.

[Bruno]

He could just say no. It'd be pretty easy for him to say that he's going to play through a minor ankle injury especially since the Spurs didn't/couldn't force Manu to stop from playing with an ankle that required surgery.

He said that he didn't understand at all why Spurs are calling him back. He wouldn't say that if he was seriously injured.
I don't know how more clear it can be. You want to be right when you aren't, timvppp.



Yeah those "few days" were almost a week ago. I haven't seen anything about him starting to practice. Being able to walk without a limp doesn't mean he's anywhere close to even practicing.

If he were on the practice court, I doubt the Spurs could drag him back to San Antonio kicking and screaming.

The progression of "out a few days" to "maybe out for the Italy game" to the Spurs wanting him to come back to San Antonio sounds more serious than the initial diagnosis.

Parker should have started to practice at the end of the week. He wasn't late on his initial schedule.

[DPG21920]

Maybe because if you remove someone from a situation you can think more clearly and have less people to argue with?

If he feels ok and has the FNT pressuring him while the Spurs are checking him out in France, it could cause serious strain on everyone.

[timvp]

Bottomline is that it sucks Parker got injured yet again. Perfect scenario is that he would have led France to the championship and go into the NBA season ultra confident and ready to win another championship. He could have gained good experience that way and the Spurs had a long enough summer that he should have been able to recoup for next NBA season.

But he's hurt so that messes up the whole equation. The Spurs would be dumb to risk playing through an injury. If you are the Spurs, you pull all the strings possible to have him shut it down because ankle injuries can linger. Even minor ones.

The ball is in TP's court to then decide whether he wants to listen to the Spurs or ignore it and continue to try to play. He apparently decided to show commitment to the Spurs by following their request. I'm not sure what TP's motivation is for listening and not ignoring but I'm guessing that Manu's situation last year played a role in his thinking. Manu ignoring the Spurs' pleas basically derailed the entire season for the Spurs.

[timaios]

I think there is a lot of people here, who does not understand the importance of the international competitions for Europeans, South Americans, Africans...

This is huge !

The greatest competition on the planet is the football World Cup.

For a professional player the greatest competitions are the international ones.

Maybe it's not the case for the american players, i don't know, but i can tell you that for europeans players it is really huge.

Tony was 16 when the French football team became the World Champion, and he absolutely wants to do something with the basketball French NT. I mean... really !

[sonic21]

Maybe because if you remove someone from a situation you can think more clearly and have less people to argue with?

If he feels ok and has the FNT pressuring him while the Spurs are checking him out in France, it could cause serious strain on everyone.

so traveling for hours is better for tony's recovery?

[exstatic]

You know what is good... The dream of Tony is to win something with French NT and to participate in the Olympics.

So the Spurs FO are killing his dreams. I am sure Tony will be pleased with that. :toast

The French team has zero chance to come out of the Europe matches and get an Olympic berth. The only chance they will ever have is if they host the summer Olympics, and get the host nation exemption. They're just not very fucking good, even with Parker. I'm tired of him fucking up his ankles chasing the impossible.

[Bruno]

This is a pretty wild claim. So you think that if the team is doing well next year and the year after, with Tim still on it, and with all of the relationship and love built up over time, that TP would leave?

He might leave, but I doubt it would be because of this. You are seemingly making claims that do not make much sense because you are angry.

I'm not making wild claim, I just know what the NT situation is and how TP is attached to it.

Wednesday game against Italy is crucial for the NT. If they lost by a huge margin, the team won't play a high level game before 2011.

If Spurs doctor confirms that the injury is minor, TP doesn't play against Italy and French NT lost by a lot of points, you can count on Parker being very angry towards Spurs.

[sonic21]

well i still think tony will be back soon though

[timvp]

He said that he didn't understand at all why Spurs are calling him back. He wouldn't say that if he was seriously injured.
I don't know how more clear it can be. You want to be right when you aren't, timvppp.I'm not trying to be right about anything. I'm just pointing out that if TP had a minor injury, he didn't have to listen to the Spurs. He must understand on some level because he voluntarily went back to San Antonio. The Spurs couldn't make him. They'd get in trouble by even making any small threat to him.

You want to equate "I don't understand" to "I'm 100% healthy". Those two things aren't the same.


Parker should have started to practice at the end of the week. He wasn't late on his initial schedule.Did he say he was going to start practicing? If so, why was Italy in doubt? A week to prepare for Italy if he could practice should be plenty.

[timaios]

The French team has zero chance to come out of the Europe matches and get an Olympic berth. The only chance they will ever have is if they host the summer Olympics, and get the host nation exemption. They're just not very fucking good, even with Parker. I'm tired of him fucking up his ankles chasing the impossible.

It is difficult to be good when all our starters are fucked by the NBA.

[raspsa]

so traveling for hours is better for tony's recovery?

Well, it;s not like he's walking back to SA..:lol These guys are pampered when they travel. I'm sure he can manage the travel quite well. just the Spurs taking no chances and probably wanting to do more in-depth tests.

[sonic21]

Did he say he was going to start practicing? If so, why was Italy in doubt? A week to prepare for Italy if he could practice should be plenty.

tony was out of shape when he came, so this "really" minor injury could have delayed his first game.

[DPG21920]

I'm not making wild claim, I just know what the NT situation is and how TP is attached to it.

Wednesday game against Italy is crucial for the NT. If they lost by a huge margin, the team won't play a high level game before 2011.

If Spurs doctor confirms that the injury is minor, TP doesn't play against Italy and French NT lost by a lot of points, you can count on Parker being very angry towards Spurs.

Yes, he might be very angry, but that does not mean that he would not sign because of it. Maybe, but that is a pretty serious claim to make, especially since it will be 2 years down the road.

[Thompson]

Maybe it was two years ago. What was it again, Tony hurt his ankle or his finger. The French doctors said it was fine, he played with the injury and it got worse. I think he missed part of training camp or something. I've searched, but this was all I could find. http://www.nba.com/fantasy/fantasy_playernews.jsp?date=10/09/07&type=news

[DPG21920]

so traveling for hours is better for tony's recovery?

That is not the point at all. You asked why would the take him away and not come to him.

If you take TP away, you can get a clearer picture of the injury and not have to argue with the NT. You can have TP away from the team and allow him to think clearly in case the injury happens to be more serious.

If he is injured, he still might want to play because he loves his country. That might not be smart...

[carina_gino20]

Manu did and the Spurs reacted by picking him up at the airport and forcing local writers to write apology articles.


Just curious. Is there any truth to this?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Bottomline is that it sucks Parker got injured yet again. Perfect scenario is that he would have led France to the championship and go into the NBA season ultra confident and ready to win another championship. He could have gained good experience that way and the Spurs had a long enough summer that he should have been able to recoup for next NBA season.

But he's hurt so that messes up the whole equation. The Spurs would be dumb to risk playing through an injury. If you are the Spurs, you pull all the strings possible to have him shut it down because ankle injuries can linger. Even minor ones.

The ball is in TP's court to then decide whether he wants to listen to the Spurs or ignore it and continue to try to play. He apparently decided to show commitment to the Spurs by following their request. I'm not sure what TP's motivation is for listening and not ignoring but I'm guessing that Manu's situation last year played a role in his thinking. Manu ignoring the Spurs' pleas basically derailed the entire season for the Spurs.


Do you actually believe this was even possible? Maybe you should actually look at the rosters of the other European clubs.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I think there is a lot of people here, who does not understand the importance of the international competitions for Europeans, South Americans, Africans...

This is huge !

The greatest competition on the planet is the football World Cup.

For a professional player the greatest competitions are the international ones.

Maybe it's not the case for the american players, i don't know, but i can tell you that for europeans players it is really huge.

Tony was 16 when the French football team became the World Champion, and he absolutely wants to do something with the basketball French NT. I mean... really !

European championship is a harder competition at higher level than world championship and overall it's very similar to Olympics. Ignore the Americans here. They do not know anything about it. They probably think the joke Americas tournament is better.

[Bruno]

I'm not trying to be right about anything. I'm just pointing out that if TP had a minor injury, he didn't have to listen to the Spurs. He must understand on some level because he voluntarily went back to San Antonio. The Spurs couldn't make him. They'd get in trouble by even making any small threat to him.

TP: "I must follow Spurs' order"

It sure looks like he "voluntarily went back to San Antonio".




You want to equate "I don't understand" to "I'm 100% healthy". Those two things aren't the same.

I've never said Parker was 100% healthy.



Did he say he was going to start practicing? If so, why was Italy in doubt? A week to prepare for Italy if he could practice should be plenty.

Parker was on schedule and the doubt with the Italy game were more related to his lack of shape.

[timvp]

Do you actually believe this was even possible? Maybe you should actually look at the rosters of the other European clubs.

France >>>>>>>>>> Greece

[sonic21]

That is not the point at all. You asked why would the take him away and not come to him.

If you take TP away, you can get a clearer picture of the injury and not have to argue with the NT. You can have TP away from the team and allow him to think clearly in case the injury happens to be more serious.

If he is injured, he still might want to play because he loves his country. That might not be smart...

why are you questioning his injury? the spurs sent someone in france who also said it was a minor injury. I'm 100% positive tony will come back, but because of the travel he'll miss the most important game of the tournament. That's why i don't get it.

[timaios]

Every year it's the same story : front office's paranoia (and Spurs fans too) about the injuries of TP with the French NT.

Nonetheless...

In 8 years with the Spurs, Tony played 612 games in regular season.

It is 76.5 games / RS. (That with Pop resting his stars in some games before the playoffs.)

And he played 122/122 games in playoffs.

Not bad for a guy who is always injured ! :rolleyes

[Solid D]

Parker may be upset but even if Tony did understand why Pop asked him to fly back to the US i.e. a pre-stipulated agreement: if you get injured you come back and get checked out...if Tony vocalizes that it's not his call..the Spurs can be the bad guy and Tony doesn't look like he's "surrendering" without a fight. :hat

http://francoprussianwar.com/germ3.jpg

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

France >>>>>>>>>> Greece

:lol:downspin::rollin:blah

Why is France not even qualified for the tournament? Why is Greece even after 3 starters again this summer quit the team STILL ranked #2 by all the bookies to win the tournament?

Your opinions on this subject mean nothing because you have a severe handicap when it comes to European basketball. No one in Europe would put France as comparable to teams like Spain, Greece, Lithuania.

You are too funny.

[DPG21920]

Bruno:

What do you think the Spurs motivation is here?

Also, so TP's fitness was a concern? Enough that he might miss the Italy game combined with his minor injury?

[Bruno]

Yes, he might be very angry, but that does not mean that he would not sign because of it. Maybe, but that is a pretty serious claim to make, especially since it will be 2 years down the road.

You don't realize how the NT is important for TP. If Spurs fuck up two summers for nothing, it could become ugly.

[DPG21920]

why are you questioning his injury? the spurs sent someone in france who also said it was a minor injury. I'm 100% positive tony will come back, but because of the travel he'll miss the most important game of the tournament. That's why i don't get it.

Where did I question it personally? I said if he is injured...You seem to act like you are the examining doctor in that you are 100% sure he is ok.

[timvp]

TP: "I must follow Spurs' order"

It sure looks like he "voluntarily went back to San Antonio".

But TP doesn't have to follow the Spurs' orders. He's free to ignore. And him ignoring would be about 1/100th as damaging as Manu ignoring last year with a deformed ankle.


Parker was on schedule and the doubt with the Italy game were more related to his lack of shape.

So being out of shape plus a slightly more injured ankle than expected probably would have him missing the game anyways.

Is this game in Italy? Am I correct in thinking that for France to advance if they lose to Italy that they have to win the rest of their games and beat Italy in France by a larger margin than they lost?

[Bruno]

Bruno:

What do you think the Spurs motivation is here?

They want to be sure and the only way to be sure is to do the exams/rehab in SA.
And it's a plain ridiculous attitude.



Also, so TP's fitness was a concern? Enough that he might miss the Italy game combined with his minor injury?

He wouldn't have missed the game but he likely wouldn't have played 35 min.

[Bruno]

Is this game in Italy? Am I correct in thinking that for France to advance if they lose to Italy that they have to win the rest of their games and beat Italy in France by a larger margin than they lost?

yes and yes.

[sonic21]

Where did I question it personally? I said if he is injured...You seem to act like you are the examining doctor in that you are 100% sure he is ok.

well i'm just trusting tony, the french doctors, the spurs guy in france.
I'm ok with the spurs taking extra precaution, but they are better way to do it like coming to france. I'm sure tony is mature enough to not be influenced by other people to make a decision.

ok i'm out, it's almost 4 am here
goodnight!

[JP le Requin]

spurs doctors should have do the trip to france and check his "injury"here in paris...imagine 22hours in a plane (with i hope the come back to france for italy game)

[DPG21920]

It is a tough situation for both sides. No doubt. As a Spurs fan I am happy the Spurs are being overly cautious. I understand that FNT fans might be upset.

[Freeze]

I'm guessing it's probably a regular ankle sprain. It don't see how it could be minor given how the events have played out.

If I remember corretly Ian's injury, Spurs doctors doesn't seem so good with ankles.... :(

Anyway, I hope TP's ankle is fine, and that he'll be able to play with the NT soon.

One good point is that Tony still listen what Spurs say, even if he doesn't have to (there is no obligation for him to come back in SA according to NBA/FIBA agreement).
On the other hand, if his ankle is OK, a trip to SA from Paris is not the best way to be ready for the game against Italy, and the risk of injury after long trips exists.....

[exstatic]

You don't realize how the NT is important for TP. If Spurs fuck up two summers for nothing, it could become ugly.

You think they pulled him last year "for nothing"? I think his subsequent injury proved them right.

[benefactor]

They want to be sure and the only way to be sure is to do the exams/rehab in SA.
And it's a plain ridiculous attitude.

The hell it is. They might as well put all the money they have invested this year in a barrel and burn it if Parker is hurt. Wouldn't you take extra caution if it was your cash?

[dougp]

For those saying Tony is so tied to the French NT - then he should question his commitment to the NBA and just go play in Europe. He has a legal contract over here, and he's being paid to play. Period. The next CBA is probably going to have limitations on people playing in Europe or another locale when entering the draft, along with playing outside the league.

I hope at some point teams can not pay players who choose to play outside the league and get injured - if you make a damn commitment to someone who's paying you, fucking honor it.

[timvp]

It looks like the plan of action will be for France to try to keep it close against Italy, beat Finland and then Parker return (if healthy) to try to destroy Italy on Aug. 14. Then all they'd need to do is beat Finland again and they'd advance.

He has 2+ weeks for the Spurs to check on him and get healthy. All France has to do is lose by at most 10-12 points in Italy and beat Finland. Sounds doable to me. The only Italians in the NBA suck.

[Bruno]

You think they pulled him last year "for nothing"? I think his subsequent injury proved them right.

Way to ignore what really happens.

Last year, TP went to SA and what immediately cleared by Spurs' medical staff.

[exstatic]

They want to be sure and the only way to be sure is to do the exams/rehab in SA.
And it's a plain ridiculous attitude.

REAL fucking easy for you to say. You're not paying him north of $12M next year. I think they have a right to look after their investment.

If it's that fucking important to him, and he loves the NT so much he can fucking QUIT the NBA and do it full time.

[timaios]

It looks like the plan of action will be for France to try to keep it close against Italy, beat Finland and then Parker return (if healthy) to try to destroy Italy on Aug. 14. Then all they'd need to do is beat Finland again and they'd advance.

He has 2+ weeks for the Spurs to check on him and get healthy. All France has to do is lose by at most 10-12 points in Italy and beat Finland. Sounds doable to me. The only Italians in the NBA suck.

We are going to play without Parker, M.Pietrus & Noah, 3 of our starters.
I think Italy could destroy that "French team". :depressed

[timaios]

REAL fucking easy for you to say. You're not paying him north of $12M next year. I think they have a right to look after their investment.

If it's that fucking important to him, and he loves the NT so much he can fucking QUIT the NBA and do it full time.

You are an idiot.

[Bruno]

The hell it is. They might as well put all the money they have invested this year in a barrel and burn it if Parker is hurt. Wouldn't you take extra caution if it was your cash?

Let's see:
Spurs have send Mike Brungardt in France to do the rehab and they have picked a doctor to make exams that have confirmed that it was a small injury.

It's way enough caution. Bringing back Parker to SA will bring nothing more. It will only create some swelling in TP's ankle and could hurt Spurs' relationship with TP.

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone in the world outside the US knows the Americans have the very worst doctors. Just ignore what they say about medicine. They are decades behind.How could you know that? You say you don't live in America.

[exstatic]

You are an idiot.

You're French.

[JP le Requin]

You're French.

ugly quote...

[exstatic]

ugly quote...

And what he said wasn't?

[timaios]

You're French.

My bad... You are a xenophobic idiot.

[timvp]

Another summer, another NT injury. Then comes the flow chart.

Injury Occurs > Injury Supposedly Minor > Injury Takes Longer to Heal > Doctors Blamed > Countries/Teams Blamed > ST Civil War

[timaios]

Another summer, another NT injury. Then comes the flow chart.

Injury Occurs > Injury Supposedly Minor > Injury Takes Longer to Heal > Doctors Blamed > Countries/Teams Blamed > ST Civil War


Every year it's the same story : front office's paranoia (and Spurs fans too) about the injuries of TP with the French NT.

Nonetheless...

In 8 years with the Spurs, Tony played 612 games in regular season.

It is 76.5 games / RS. (That with Pop resting his stars in some games before the playoffs.)

And he played 122/122 games in playoffs.

Not bad for a guy who is always injured ! :rolleyes

[rogcl1]

isn't it smarter to send the spurs doctors in France? Now he may miss th most important game of the tournament

Duh, lets see. Its the San Antonio Spurs that give him the lifestyle he enjoys, the team doctors are in San Antonio, and the medical facilities used by the team are in San Antonio. If he is found to be healthy, I believe airplanes fly fast enough to get him to this world ending game in time.

[timvp]

Every year it's the same story : front office's paranoia (and Spurs fans too) about the injuries of TP with the French NT.

Nonetheless...

In 8 years with the Spurs, Tony played 612 games in regular season.

It is 76.5 games / RS. (That with Pop resting his stars in some games before the playoffs.)

And he played 122/122 games in playoffs.

Not bad for a guy who is always injured ! :rolleyes

He always gets injured with the NT. Why? Probably bad luck.

The Spurs can't be blamed for some Austrian scrub running into him and injuring his thigh and ankle in one fell swoop. Obviously, the team supported Parker's wishes for him to play. If he doesn't get injured, he'd still be playing.

It's not like the Spurs are inventing injuries. Each of TP's NT injuries have been real.

[exstatic]

My bad... You are a xenophobic idiot.

No one is more xenophobic or paranoid than a Frenchman.

[Solid D]

Nando, the MVP of Pro A will have his time to shine.

NT could use Roddy Beaubois about now.

[urunobili]

Damn... if the Spurs athletic assistant that was overseeing the rehab there didn't stop the trip... he probably recommended it... this is not good... the injury may have been a little worse than reported...

TP has had really bad luck with injuries with NT... i remember Japan's WC.... that really sucked... also the ankle in 2007 that made Manu work pre season games as the starting PG...

I hope this doesn't interfere in the French NT to advance and TP's relationship with the Spurs either...

[exstatic]

didn't he get hurt last year too?

xenophobe.

[GSH]

Sure, it's great to start a war with your boss...

RIF. If Parker is surprised why Spurs asked him to come back in SA, it means that he isn't seriously injured.

If French NT doesn't qualify because TP was called back to SA for nothing, I'm sure that he will be quite mad at Spurs.

No, you don't know, stop the BS.

The international fans always accuse Americans of only seeing things our way. From where I sit, you guys look pretty fucking one-sided yourselves.

Manu and Tony both ignored the Spurs wishes last summer, so there's no question that Tony knows he could do the same this time. If he was 100% certain that all he needs is a couple of days of rest, he wouldn't be flying back.

At least that's what I'd like to believe. I'd hate to think that he would be willing to play roulette with the upcoming season, after what we went through with Manu last year. In other words - I hope that Parker has better sense than the French fans, who only care about one thing, and only see things one way.

[exstatic]

The international fans always accuse Americans of only seeing things our way. From where I sit, you guys look pretty fucking one-sided yourselves.

Manu and Tony both ignored the Spurs wishes last summer, so there's no question that Tony knows he could do the same this time. If he was 100% certain that all he needs is a couple of days of rest, he wouldn't be flying back.

At least that's what I'd like to believe. I'd hate to think that he would be willing to play roulette with the upcoming season, after what we went through with Manu last year. In other words - I hope that Parker has better sense than the French fans, who only care about one thing, and only see things one way.

That would be losing in a later round than they would without Parker. They're not going to the Olympics, with or without him.

[picnroll]

I totally don't believe that the frickin French coaches wouldn't play a somewhat injured, out of shape Parker MAJOR minutes if they thought that's what it would take to win an important game against Italy. Get him the hell out of there.

[raspsa]

That is not the point at all. You asked why would the take him away and not come to him.

If you take TP away, you can get a clearer picture of the injury and not have to argue with the NT. You can have TP away from the team and allow him to think clearly in case the injury happens to be more serious.

If he is injured, he still might want to play because he loves his country. That might not be smart...

I also wonder if there is some legal issue at stake, perhaps some clause in the insurance coverage requiring the Spurs to oversee any tests?

[timaios]

That would be losing in a later round than they would without Parker. They're not going to the Olympics, with or without him.

You are an idiot.
The olympics are in 2012 and we are in 2009.

[exstatic]

You are an idiot.
The olympics are in 2012 and we are in 2009.

They won't qualify for the WCs, either, french fry. They're not good enough to qualify for any of the elite world tournaments, with or without Parker.

[Baseline]

This is a very simple situation. Our entire season was ruined last year because of Manu's ankle situation.

The Spurs have every right to tell their starting point guard to get his butt back here to be inspected by the team medical staff if they so desire. They're paying the guy over ten million dollars for crying out loud.

I'm still ticked off at Manu for ruining last year's playoffs. No way can we let Parker do the same thing this year. We have the horses to win the title if we're healthy.

Well, the if we're healthy portion of the equation starts right now with Parker's injured ankle.

[GSH]

You don't realize how the NT is important for TP. If Spurs fuck up two summers for nothing, it could become ugly.

"It could become ugly?" So what are you saying? He's going to go look for another NBA team that will be more understanding? Lots of fucking luck with that.

Yeah, the Spurs have really been bad to Tony. Do you even remember where he got drafted? If not for the Spurs, he probably would have been a second round pick. Which means he probably would have gotten backup minutes for at least the first couple of seasons. He sure as shit wouldn't have won three championships in eight seasons. I wonder if the French NT would be the most important thing in his life if he didn't already have three NBA Championship rings? It's a luxury he can afford to indulge specifically because he played for the Spurs.

And just to be clear, what if he comes back and it turns out to have been more than an insignificant injury? Will that have the opposite effect? Will things become whatever the opposite of "ugly" between Parker and Spurs' management? Will you and the other international fanatics come back here and apologize? Of course not. You'll insist that the Spurs' doctors are lying, and there was some conspiracy theory to keep Parker from competing for the French NT. Because we all know that the biggest goal for Spurs' management is to screw Parker and the French NT.

I'm really glad Tony plays for the Spurs, and he has brought a lot to the team. But he's gotten a hell of a lot too. If you're suggesting that Tony doesn't owe the team at least a little consideration, in the area of safeguarding his health, then fuck you. I don't think Tony feels that way, but if he does, then fuck him too. The Spurs have been a class organization, and they have been really good to a lot of players over the years. That counts for something - at least to some people.

[TMTTRIO]

Manu did and the Spurs reacted by picking him up at the airport and forcing local writers to write apology articles.

yeah but he also knows that he may not be a Spur next year that's why he's been saying he's prepared to leave.

[GSH]

According to a spokesman for the French NT, "For some reason, the Spurs organization wants to prevent our national team from advancing, even if it means denying Tony Parker his dream. Or perhaps they want to deny Tony Parker his dream, even if it means derailing the French NT. Either way, there is a conspiracy at work, and I will not listen to anyone who says otherwise."


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/903959/the_optimist.jpg
French NT spokesman Bertrand Glaucome
at a Thursday press conference.

[exstatic]

I don't know. The french team has some good players. Pietris, Diaw, Batum, De Colo (I'd rather him play than Parker.)

I didn't say they didn't have some good players. Tony himself says they're all selfish and play for themselves. That's not going to cut in in European qualifying tournaments.

[exstatic]

According to a spokesman for the French NT, "For some reason, the Spurs organization wants to prevent our national team from advancing, even if it means denying Tony Parker his dream. Or perhaps they want to deny Tony Parker his dream, even if it means derailing the French NT. Either way, there is a conspiracy at work, and I will not listen to anyone who says otherwise."


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/903959/the_optimist.jpg
French NT spokesman Bertrand Glaucome
at a Thursday press conference.
So, we finally find out what timaios does for a living....

[Brazil]

I don't think this trip can fuck up the very good relationship between spurs and TP but for sure TP is not happy with this "order". The best we can wish for the spurs next year is healthy and happy players, for TP playing for France is an important part of his happiness. I think this precaution isn't necessary and if France loose game against Italy by a significant margin it's two years of FNT ruined.

Unfortunately it's a shitty situation for FNT, TP and the Spurs.

[Blackjack]

Parker may be upset but even if Tony did understand why Pop asked him to fly back to the US i.e. a pre-stipulated agreement: if you get injured you come back and get checked out...if Tony vocalizes that it's not his call..the Spurs can be the bad guy and Tony doesn't look like he's "surrendering" without a fight. :hat

http://francoprussianwar.com/germ3.jpg

Bingo.:tu (Sometimes, it's actually a good idea to read the whole thread before posting.:hat)

[picnroll]

Players play in important games,playoffs, national team games, when they're hurt and wouldn't play under normal situations. Some coaches are more protective of their players than others. Spurs can't afford for a zealous Parker and French national team coaches to screw him up, playing when under normal circumstances he would sit out and rest. Sorry but the French coaches care about qualifying and it would also be nice for them if Parker did hurt in ankle in the process, he wasn't so screwed up that he couldn't rehab during the Spurs season so he'd be good to return to play next summer for the national team.

[angelbelow]

well thats good news, hopefully he heels up.

[timaios]

Players play in important games,playoffs, national team games, when they're hurt and wouldn't play under normal situations. Some coaches are more protective of their players than others. Spurs can't afford for a zealous Parker and French national team coaches to screw him up, playing when under normal circumstances he would sit out and rest. Sorry but the French coaches care about qualifying and it would also be nice for them if Parker did hurt in ankle in the process, he wasn't so screwed up that he couldn't rehab during the Spurs season so he'd be good to return to play next summer for the national team.

This is beyond ridiculous.
French coaches need a healthy Parker for the Euro 2009 in september.
If Parker is injured during the qualifying tournament in august he will not be able to play the EURO 2009 one month later.
The 6 better teams of the EURO 2009 will be qualified for the 2010 World Championship.
Without Tony, French NT will not be in one of the first 6 places... It means no competition for the NT in 2010.

And besides that, the French staff doesn't want to upset the Spurs FO because they need Parker for the futur.
The French coach Vincent Collet is also the coach of ASVEL. Parker is a part owner of that club and a friend of Vincent Collet.
So what is the point for Vincent Collet to fuck the career of Tony Parker ?
They are not crazy.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

For those saying Tony is so tied to the French NT - then he should question his commitment to the NBA and just go play in Europe. He has a legal contract over here, and he's being paid to play. Period. The next CBA is probably going to have limitations on people playing in Europe or another locale when entering the draft, along with playing outside the league.

I hope at some point teams can not pay players who choose to play outside the league and get injured - if you make a damn commitment to someone who's paying you, fucking honor it.

Good luck for Team USA at 2012 Olympics with all NCAA roster.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Nando, the MVP of Pro A will have his time to shine.

NT could use Roddy Beaubois about now.

He was not the MVP of Pro A.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I don't know. The french team has some good players. Pietris, Diaw, Batum, De Colo (I'd rather him play than Parker.)

They won't qualify for 2010 without Parker. Not a freaking chance in hell.

[colargol]

Bruno don't you think it coul'd be an answer from the NBA to the Noah's hopes with the French NT.....a way to tell to Noah "even TP is not free to play so don't even think about it"

The Spur's reaction is so strange, i think there's something else than the TP's ankles........

[Solid D]

He was not the MVP of Pro A.

Since we are talking about the French NT, Nando was the French MVP of Pro A regular season. Are you being picky because French is inferred and not stated?

Two prospects for MVP in France
May 17th, 2008 at 8:44 am by Christophe

Today, the French press announced the MVP trophies of the last season for the ProA and ProB league. And the least one could say is that these votings have been dominated by young prospects.

http://www.europeanprospects.com/1988-born/forward-1988-born/nicolas-batum/two-prospects-for-mvp-in-france/#more-131

As I Love Basket reports, Nando de Colo has won the MVP trophy of the regular season for the French players in the ProA. The 2nd place in that vote went to Nicolas Batum. De Colo is the youngest player to win this trophy since Antoine Rigaudeau who won this trophy at the tender age of 20 years. And the last winner of this trophy who was 21 like Nando de Colo was Boris Diaw. If these are signs, one could say that Nando will have a bright future. But it also gives credit to the extraordinary season of the young French player from Cholet who won already the MVP of the All-Star Game, MVP of the Semaine des As and now MVP of the regular season. And additionally, he plays the Final of the Coupe de France tonight, so maybe another trophy will be added to his extraordinary run this year. You can watch here some highlights of one of the last games of Nando de Colo.
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http://www.basket-ball.com/blog/actu-proa-les-mvp-de-la-saison-2007-2008-sont-connus-ar3197.html

Actu ProA : Les MVP de la saison 2007-2008 sont connus !
Par François Martinet Le 18.05.2008
Rangé dans: Actu Pro A


Après Christian Monschau et son titre de Coach de l’année reçu la semaine dernière et la fin de la saison régulière Nando De Colo est élu MVP Français et Marc Salyers MVP Etranger. Les réactions, la fiche.



MVP Français : Nando De Colo :
Qu’elle est belle la nouvelle génération du basket Français et plus particulièrement avec ce prodige de 20ans qui rafle après celui de la semaine des As (qu’il a d’ailleurs remportée avec Cholet), un deuxième titre de MVP : en effet Nando De Colo a été élu meilleur joueur français de la saison régulière 2007/2008, devençant son compatriote Nicolas Batum.

Cette saison, le joueur tricolore a tourné à 15 points, 3 rebonds et 4 passes en 28 minutes de moyenne par match. Ses performances ont, bien entendu, conditionné la réussite du Cholet Basket.

L’arrière du club des Mauges, a réalisé une saison époustouflante qui n’est pas encore terminée, puisqu’il lui reste à jouer les play-offs et la finale de Coupe de France...Vous avez dit Triplé ?! A suivre !

Une chose est sûre, les portes de l’Equipe de France ne sont plus très loin pour De Colo !

Notons également que le jeune Nando a été élu "meilleure progression de l’année"...Etonnant non ?!

[Bruno]

Bruno don't you think it coul'd be an answer from the NBA to the Noah's hopes with the French NT.....a way to tell to Noah "even TP is not free to play so don't even think about it"

The Spur's reaction is so strange, i think there's something else than the TP's ankles........

The NBA isn't against international players playing with their NT. In fact, they are pushing for it because it helps to spread the NBA overseas. Franchises are the ones against it.

Spurs' reaction isn't that strange, it's the basic reaction "we pay the player, we can do whatever we want with the player." To me, that's a damn stupid reaction and it will bite them in the ass on day or another.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

There is one thing I simply don't understand - why has it taken a few days for the Spurs to call Parker back home for tests? Why didn't they do it straight away?

A lot of you people seem to comment mainly based on personal feelings and assumptions, but I'm sure there's more to this story than what's been reported.

[spurstd4]

said it before tony needs to stay off the frenchies nt. he's signed till 2012. the spurs don't need another ginobili ordeal on their hands. the spurs look primed to make a deep playoff run this year and tony's already hurt.tony's extra play could come back and bite the spurs in the ass if it hasn't already.

[urunobili]

Again... if the Spurs had someone there already and he didn't stop the trip back to SAT he recommended it... :stirpot:

[phyzik]

Spurs FO put way too much into this season for Tony to possibly fuck it up Manu style. I dont give a fuck what Tony likes or doesnt like. The fact is the Spurs demand a healthy team this year, Tony needs to understand that and live with it and so does the French NT.

As far as the bullshit notion that the Spurs should have went to him.... Nex time your boss tells you to meet him in his office, you tell him to come to you instead.... let me know how that works out for you.

[Dex]

Yeah, it would be easier to support Tony if the French NT actually had a chance of actually winning it all. But with or without Parker...they don't. Just seems like wasted effort and unnecessary risk, but that's obviously coming from my perspective, not his.

[hater]

Parker doesn't like it?? Trade his ass!

Parker for Devin Harris straight up!

[ducks]

Parker doesn't like it?? Trade his ass!

Parker for Devin Harris straight up!

harris has not won final mvp
tp is way better then harris



oh and manu did want to go overseas and play for his country
spurs did not he refushed to listen to them
tp is saying I will come back
manu would have said hell no.
he did last year
where was your trade manu thread?

[loveforthegame]

I'd rather the Spurs overreact (if that's the case here and not something more) by protecting their property than let another Ginobli situation happen to them. Especially after the summer spending spree they've just had.

If that pisses Parker off so much that he wants to leave when his contract is up then let him.

[ducks]

Question
is tp paying the price for what happened to manu

[z0sa]

Question
is tp paying the price for what happened to manu

honestly, a solid question. I think manu's recent situation will influence every major spurs' injury woes for a good while, especially concerning NT play.

[diego]

I'm really glad Tony plays for the Spurs, and he has brought a lot to the team. But he's gotten a hell of a lot too. If you're suggesting that Tony doesn't owe the team at least a little consideration, in the area of safeguarding his health, then fuck you. I don't think Tony feels that way, but if he does, then fuck him too. The Spurs have been a class organization, and they have been really good to a lot of players over the years. That counts for something - at least to some people.

I think between the org and the players they have respectful relationships and appreciate what each brings to the table. its the fans that immediately start flinging shit when the mere possibility of a bad outcome rears up.

the fact is right now the spurs chances to win next year are the same as they were two weeks ago, and france's chances of winning EC took a small hit but arent wiped out either. all we have is parker's translated quotes, with no medical diagnosis of any kind. does it really warrant the heated discussion? i dont think so. we should at least wait till we have more information before saying "fuck parker" or "fuck the spurs".

also, and this is my general opinion relative to all sports, how do you determine when an athlete is 100%? one thing is for them to be healthy, another in shape, another in rhythm. but can anyone really put a number and say? the only one in any position to do that is the athlete, and even they can't be sure. Confidence is very important, and top athletes dont become top athletes without it. I'll always take a confident player willing to take risks over a guy who second guesses himself, and i think pop agrees.

[Solid D]

oh and manu did want to go overseas and play for his country
spurs did not he refushed to listen to them
tp is saying I will come back
manu would have said hell no.
he did last year
where was your trade manu thread?

Most of this is true, ducks, except you are talking about Parker coming back to the US before the Addional Qualifying Round (Eurobasket 2009) starts Aug. 5th.

If this were the Beijing or London Olympics, I'm pretty sure TP stays - especially if he is supposed to carry in the flag at the opening ceremonies or stay one more game and cheer for his team in the Bronze Medal Game before flying back to the US.

Olympics v. Additional Qualifier for last slot at Eurobasket'09....hmmm.

Looking to the future in 2012, France will need to add some healthy talent or play better team basketball to snag one of the 3 open European slots for the Olympics. TP was scoring 30+ ppg last year and they couldn't beat Turkey so they are STILL trying to qualify for the LAST slot in Eurobasket09.

[Dex]

I'm not sure where the controversy is here. As it stands, most teams let their players choose freely to participate in the Olympic games. The problem is that as international scouting becomes more popular, more and more of the BEST players from around the world are going to trickle into the U.S. These guys are all going to have million dollar contracts, and are still going to be the BEST players for their respective NT.

If I were a GM considering an international pick, I would go ahead and factor their desire to play for their NT as to part of my decision. As these are usually the best players these countries have to offer, unless they are just not patriotically inclined whatsoever, you can be pretty sure they are going to expect to play. What would the nation say if the Cavs told Lebron he is too important to play for the USA?

Yeah, it sucks Tony got injured. The best we can do is hope that it's being treated seriously, and is not a major injury. But as far as questioning Tony's motives, or the Spurs motives...seems like this should be water under the bridge at this point.

[nkdlunch]

Question
is tp paying the price for what happened to manu

not really dummy. Spurs and Holt is risking it all to win this year. They might have let shit like this go other years. But this year, they are not risking shit. So they put parker on ice. well done. but no, dummy, this is not Manu's fault.

[Solid D]

not really dummy. Spurs and Holt is risking it all to win this year. They might have let shit like this go other years. But this year, they are not risking shit. So they put parker on ice. well done. but no, dummy, this is not Manu's fault.

Actually, I think this decision by Holt is likely supported by what happened with Manu. The old "burned once, lesson learned, burned twice stupid me" concept.

[ElNono]

According to that french report, Tony is pretty pissed off about it...

[DAF86]

If this is just to do a check-up on Parker, why didn't the Spurs doctors fly over to Europe instead of making our star player do it and get even more tired?

[ElNono]

If this is just to do a check-up on Parker, why didn't the Spurs doctors fly over to Europe instead of making our star player do it and get even more tired?

Maybe the insurance co wants to check him up here in the States? Remember it's not just the Spurs involved in this.

[benefactor]

Actually, I think this decision by Holt is likely supported by what happened with Manu. The old "burned once, lesson learned, burned twice stupid me" concept.
Indeed. When you combine that with the check writing that went on over the summer it is hard to be mad at the Spurs for wanting him back here for a look.

[Blackjack]

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/07/31/a-night-of-ugh/


Elsewhere, Tony Parker’s recently injured ankle is enough of a concern to the Spurs that they’ve brought him back to San Antonio for tests. Parker and the French press are playing the injury off as minor, and painting a picture of an unnecessarily cautious Spurs front office. But can you blame the front office for erring on the side of caution? Last season ended before it began when Manu Ginobili injured his ankle during international play.

If Parker’s injury is even remotely serious, he needs to shut himself down. I don’t begrudge guys for playing for their countries. In fact, I love Parker’s leadership as it relates to his national team and aspirations with ASVEL. In a vacuum I not only want Parker to play for his national team, I’ll promise to cheer for him all along the way. Ultimately, such commitments are good for the player and good for basketball. But at some point his debt to country must be counter balanced against an obligation to his employer and, more importantly, teammates. Or, to his teammates and, more importantly, employer. It’s a fine line that divides one form of loyalty from another. I’d say more, but I’m all awash in ambivalence. And I’m more than a little anxious to hear about the test results.

If you’re like me, then your feelings about San Antonio players playing in international competition race around like the hormones of a pubescent teen. My guess is that Peter Holt would like to pay tax bills while watching Tony Parker make baskets rather than watching him make eyes at Eva from a seat behind the bench. But it’s difficult for me to fully appreciate the value that playing for one’s country has to internationals. American fans have a difficult time wrapping their mind around the fact that international players value gold medals more than gold trophies.

A thread over at SpursTalk touches on this. If you make your way over, notice the difference of opinion between American and French posters. The Americans approach this question from a best-for-the-team, protect-your-assets standpoint. The French posters see the Spurs’ (over?)zealous concern for Parker as potentially damaging to his relationship with the franchise. What if Parker is really okay and San Antonio’s doctors come to the same conclusions as the French doctors? If France struggles without Parker and fails to qualify for play in September, will Parker hold a grudge against San Antonio for sabotaging the aspirations of his national team?

It’s a complicated debate. It’s complicated by the fact that neither position is arguing something as simple as right and wrong.

[nkdlunch]

this is not for a checkup come on.

Parker is on a leash until further notice.

[urunobili]

If this is just to do a check-up on Parker, why didn't the Spurs doctors fly over to Europe instead of making our star player do it and get even more tired?

One training staff assistant was there... :wakeup I wonder why he didn't stop the trip if it wasn't serious...

[Solid D]

Hopefully, Holt didn't buy TP's ticket on Priceline riding "coach".

[sonic21]

if everything's ok, tony will come back in france on sunday

[urunobili]

if everything's ok, tony will come back in france on sunday

:tu

[sonic21]

:tu

it would be too close to the 1st game for him to play though.

[Spursox]

Sorry, but Tony's not going back! Our medics have already been coached and know just what to say...

Good news for us..He'll be ready for the start of the season! HeHeHe

[MB20]

What do you want?
Tony injured for the start of the season but knowing he did everything he could for his NT, or a healthy but unhappy Tony entering the NBA season?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Since we are talking about the French NT, Nando was the French MVP of Pro A regular season. Are you being picky because French is inferred and not stated?

Two prospects for MVP in France
May 17th, 2008 at 8:44 am by Christophe

Today, the French press announced the MVP trophies of the last season for the ProA and ProB league. And the least one could say is that these votings have been dominated by young prospects.

http://www.europeanprospects.com/1988-born/forward-1988-born/nicolas-batum/two-prospects-for-mvp-in-france/#more-131

As I Love Basket reports, Nando de Colo has won the MVP trophy of the regular season for the French players in the ProA. The 2nd place in that vote went to Nicolas Batum. De Colo is the youngest player to win this trophy since Antoine Rigaudeau who won this trophy at the tender age of 20 years. And the last winner of this trophy who was 21 like Nando de Colo was Boris Diaw. If these are signs, one could say that Nando will have a bright future. But it also gives credit to the extraordinary season of the young French player from Cholet who won already the MVP of the All-Star Game, MVP of the Semaine des As and now MVP of the regular season. And additionally, he plays the Final of the Coupe de France tonight, so maybe another trophy will be added to his extraordinary run this year. You can watch here some highlights of one of the last games of Nando de Colo.
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http://www.basket-ball.com/blog/actu-proa-les-mvp-de-la-saison-2007-2008-sont-connus-ar3197.html

Actu ProA : Les MVP de la saison 2007-2008 sont connus !
Par François Martinet Le 18.05.2008
Rangé dans: Actu Pro A


Après Christian Monschau et son titre de Coach de l’année reçu la semaine dernière et la fin de la saison régulière Nando De Colo est élu MVP Français et Marc Salyers MVP Etranger. Les réactions, la fiche.



MVP Français : Nando De Colo :
Qu’elle est belle la nouvelle génération du basket Français et plus particulièrement avec ce prodige de 20ans qui rafle après celui de la semaine des As (qu’il a d’ailleurs remportée avec Cholet), un deuxième titre de MVP : en effet Nando De Colo a été élu meilleur joueur français de la saison régulière 2007/2008, devençant son compatriote Nicolas Batum.

Cette saison, le joueur tricolore a tourné à 15 points, 3 rebonds et 4 passes en 28 minutes de moyenne par match. Ses performances ont, bien entendu, conditionné la réussite du Cholet Basket.

L’arrière du club des Mauges, a réalisé une saison époustouflante qui n’est pas encore terminée, puisqu’il lui reste à jouer les play-offs et la finale de Coupe de France...Vous avez dit Triplé ?! A suivre !

Une chose est sûre, les portes de l’Equipe de France ne sont plus très loin pour De Colo !

Notons également que le jeune Nando a été élu "meilleure progression de l’année"...Etonnant non ?!

You said the MVP of Pro A. He was not the MVP this year. That was in the past.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Most of this is true, ducks, except you are talking about Parker coming back to the US before the Addional Qualifying Round (Eurobasket 2009) starts Aug. 5th.

If this were the Beijing or London Olympics, I'm pretty sure TP stays - especially if he is supposed to carry in the flag at the opening ceremonies or stay one more game and cheer for his team in the Bronze Medal Game before flying back to the US.

Olympics v. Additional Qualifier for last slot at Eurobasket'09....hmmm.

Looking to the future in 2012, France will need to add some healthy talent or play better team basketball to snag one of the 3 open European slots for the Olympics. TP was scoring 30+ ppg last year and they couldn't beat Turkey so they are STILL trying to qualify for the LAST slot in Eurobasket09.

How many exaggerations can you make here?

First of all last year? France did NOT play that the Olympics.

Second if you mean 2007 European championship then you lie. When the fuck did he average over 30 points a game besides from your imagination?

http://www.eurobasket2007.org/en/cid_BqypGFJPHy-Nw4lwIAq,v3.playerID_28162.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOr Uf9le2.season_2007.roundID_5169.teamID_282.html

How the fuck is 20.1 points per game = "TP was scoring 30+ ppg"

NBA fans and their absurd nonsense about European game NEVER stops.

[Dr Cox]

parker is def. paying for what happend to manu last year, but i think i would rather have manu out than tp (even thoug i love george hill, hes no tp)

sad for tony parker because of all the national pride they have for their country, but they need to win now!!! go big or go home, we need you healthy tp this year more than ever!!!

[jb4g]

honestly, a solid question. I think manu's recent situation will influence every major spurs' injury woes for a good while, especially concerning NT play.

without question. Im sure they hated the fact he even played to begin with. I kind of understood why Manu wanted to play so bad last summer, he wanted to defend his gold medal and show the world what a badass he was by beating the much vaunted redeem team....and if he had been 100% healthy he might just have done that. But the French team is a long shot to even make the olympics, with or without TP in the lineup. He had to expect even the slightest injury was going to have the Spurs FO freaking out. I for one dont want to see him get back on a plane to France. Let the Spurs look like the bad guys..who cares....they sign the checks and made him the star he is today.

[ShoogarBear]

French doctors are okay if you need an immunization.

[timaios]

How many exaggerations can you make here?

First of all last year? France did NOT play that the Olympics.

Second if you mean 2007 European championship then you lie. When the fuck did he average over 30 points a game besides from your imagination?

http://www.eurobasket2007.org/en/cid_BqypGFJPHy-Nw4lwIAq,v3.playerID_28162.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOr Uf9le2.season_2007.roundID_5169.teamID_282.html

How the fuck is 20.1 points per game = "TP was scoring 30+ ppg"

NBA fans and their absurd nonsense about European game NEVER stops.

France played in september 2008 a Qualifying Tournament for EURO 2009.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

France played in september 2008 a Qualifying Tournament for EURO 2009.

And he did not average over 30 in that tournament either.

He averaged 22 there. I guess he is like all other NBA fans that believe their own lies.

[Spursfan092120]

And he did not average over 30 in that tournament either.

He averaged 22 there. I guess he is like all other NBA fans that believe their own lies.
you pink bastard.

[timaios]

And he did not average over 30 in that tournament either.

He averaged 22 there. I guess he is like all other NBA fans that believe their own lies.

The 6 games France played in september 2008 in the Qualifying Tournament for EURO 2009 :

France 82 Belgium 63 --- Tony Parker 19 pts
Ukraine 78 France 77 --- Tony Parker 30 pts
Turkey 77 France 65 --- Tony Parker 32 pts
Belgium 65 France 71 --- Tony Parker 18 pts
France 87 Ukraine 83 --- Tony Parker 25 pts
France 78 Turkey 80 --- Tony Parker 37 pts

So Tony had an average of 26.8 pts in those 6 games.

[angel_luv]

I haven't made it through the whole thread yet and so am confused about what the final outcome actually is.

I wish Tony all the best!

Personally, I hope Tony is able to return to finish his summer of play with the National Team. It is an amazing opportunity that I do not want him to miss.

[Solid D]

Kill Bill Pana - This is why you get ripped so often in this Forum. You take a simple statement that I made about Nando being an MVP in ProA and make yourself look bad by putting a timeframe on it, something I didn't do. Then you make yourself look even worse by not knowing TP played in the qualifier last year and that against Turkey, he averaged over 30 ppg and still couldn't get the support from the rest of his team to qualify for Eurobasket. Now they have to play their way in via the Additional Qualifier for the last slot, a detail you that escaped you until just now.

Next time, don't take me to task on a nit that doesn't mean anything and just leads to more self-ownage on your part. Why am I not surprised?

Timaios, thank you for the detail for TP last summer. It shouldn't have been necessary.

[superbigtime]

Everyone in the world outside the US knows the Americans have the very worst doctors. Just ignore what they say about medicine. They are decades behind.

Shut the fuck up you stupid motherfucking Greek troll shithead. Go fuck a boy.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Kill Bill Pana - This is why you get ripped so often in this Forum. You take a simple statement that I made about Nando being an MVP in ProA and make yourself look bad by putting a timeframe on it, something I didn't do. Then you make yourself look even worse by not knowing TP played in the qualifier last year and that against Turkey, he averaged over 30 ppg and still couldn't get the support from the rest of his team to qualify for Eurobasket. Now they have to play their way in via the Additional Qualifier for the last slot, a detail you that escaped you until just now.

Next time, don't take me to task on a nit that doesn't mean anything and just leads to more self-ownage on your part. Why am I not surprised?

Timaios, thank you for the detail for TP last summer. It shouldn't have been necessary.

He didn't average over 30 points dumb ass. Stop your lies. 20 points at 2007 European championship and 22 points at qualifiers. Those were his averages. Not over 30 points average like you claim.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The 6 games France played in september 2008 in the Qualifying Tournament for EURO 2009 :

France 82 Belgium 63 --- Tony Parker 19 pts
Ukraine 78 France 77 --- Tony Parker 30 pts
Turkey 77 France 65 --- Tony Parker 32 pts
Belgium 65 France 71 --- Tony Parker 18 pts
France 87 Ukraine 83 --- Tony Parker 25 pts
France 78 Turkey 80 --- Tony Parker 37 pts

So Tony had an average of 26.8 pts in those 6 games.

Average was 22 I counted all summer games. Remember he said "last year". And how does 26.8 = 30+ average?

[45 bank shot]

who is "bill pana"?

[Brazil]

didn't see posted.



[/URL]
Vincent Collet relativise au sujet du départ de Tony Parker.(EQ)


Le sélectionneur de l'équipe de France Vincent Collet a estimé qu'il allait être «très compliqué» de compter sur Tony Parker,[URL="http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/../Basket/breves2009/20090731_010211_parker-rentre-a-san-antonio.html"] rappelé par son club à San Antonio (http://www.spurstalk.com/Portfolio/Basket/bloc_photo.html?ID=11663) vendredi, pour le premier match des repêchages face à l'Italie mercredi. «Ca va être très compliqué même si, a priori, son entorse (à la cheville droite) ne présente pas le même caractère de gravité qu'il y a deux ans (lorsque Parker avait déjà été rappelé par son club). On n'avait de toute façon pas envisagé de le faire jouer 30 minutes en Italie. Cela n'aurait pas été raisonnable. Mais là on n'est plus dans la même situation car pour l'instant on n'a pas Tony. Il m'a dit hier soir (jeudi soir) que si ça se passait bien, il prendrait l'avion du retour dimanche.»

Tout en avouant son impuissance, Collet a préféré relativiser l'épisode Parker en rappelant que c'était «l'histoire de l'équipe de France depuis de nombreuses saisons.» «C'est plus visible chez nous car on a plus de joueurs en NBA mais on voit avec les autres nations qu'il y a des problèmes tout le temps. Il faut aussi comprendre les Spurs qui ont été confrontés à la blessure de (Manu) Ginobili l'année dernière. Il faut voir l'importance que Tony a dans leur équipe et les enjeux pour eux après une saison difficile. Même si je subis la situation de plein fouet, je comprends quelque part leurs motivations. L'équipe de France n'est pas leur priorité.» (Avec AFP)

By the way Collet is extremely fairplay about the situation, he says we have to understand the Spurs after the Manu injury last year. TP is one the key piece of their team and what it is at stake next year after a very difficult year for them. FNT is not Spurs priority which I understand.

[loveforthegame]

I didn't see this posted yet.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/sacre-bleu-park.html

Sacre bleu! Parker puzzled about Spurs insistence on more tests

By Mike Monroe on Jul 31, 09 04:37 PM | Permalink | Comments (7)

Spurs guard Tony Parker returned to San Antonio from Paris Friday evening, wondering why the club insisted he get more tests on a right ankle he sprained a week ago in a game against Austria.

Parker has been training with and competing for "Les Bleus," the French national team, as it prepares for a three-team tournament that will determine the final qualifier for the European championships, scheduled for Poland in September.

He collided with an Austrian player in a game in Strasbourg, France, on July 23, leaving the court on crutches after injuring both his right thigh and ankle. An MRI exam showed no ligament damage in the ankle, but, a week later, the Spurs requested Parker's return so they could perform their own tests.

Spurs general manager R.C. Buford, responding by text message, said the Spurs were "being cautious" with the three-time NBA All-Star, who led the team in scoring in both the regular season (22.0 points per game) and playoffs (28.6).

Parker, however, questioned the need for the trip back to San Antonio. Noting that the Spurs had a member of their training staff in France last week to check on his status, he said he regretted the team's decision.

"Honestly, I don't understand this decision, because of all the tests done with the French doctors and the Spurs," he said. "I regret what is going (on). I am obligated to follow what my (NBA) club wanted me to do, but I hope to come back as soon as possible to participate in the qualification with the French national team."

France is to play Italy in a tournament game in Italy on Wednesday.

Anyone wondering why the Spurs would insist on erring on the side of caution with Parker need only check the team's player payroll for next season. They are obligated to pay Parker $12.6 million, whether healthy or injured.

[crc21209]

I didn't see this posted yet.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/sacre-bleu-park.html

Sacre bleu! Parker puzzled about Spurs insistence on more tests

By Mike Monroe on Jul 31, 09 04:37 PM | Permalink | Comments (7)

Spurs guard Tony Parker returned to San Antonio from Paris Friday evening, wondering why the club insisted he get more tests on a right ankle he sprained a week ago in a game against Austria.

Parker has been training with and competing for "Les Bleus," the French national team, as it prepares for a three-team tournament that will determine the final qualifier for the European championships, scheduled for Poland in September.

He collided with an Austrian player in a game in Strasbourg, France, on July 23, leaving the court on crutches after injuring both his right thigh and ankle. An MRI exam showed no ligament damage in the ankle, but, a week later, the Spurs requested Parker's return so they could perform their own tests.

Spurs general manager R.C. Buford, responding by text message, said the Spurs were "being cautious" with the three-time NBA All-Star, who led the team in scoring in both the regular season (22.0 points per game) and playoffs (28.6).

Parker, however, questioned the need for the trip back to San Antonio. Noting that the Spurs had a member of their training staff in France last week to check on his status, he said he regretted the team's decision.

"Honestly, I don't understand this decision, because of all the tests done with the French doctors and the Spurs," he said. "I regret what is going (on). I am obligated to follow what my (NBA) club wanted me to do, but I hope to come back as soon as possible to participate in the qualification with the French national team."

France is to play Italy in a tournament game in Italy on Wednesday.

Anyone wondering why the Spurs would insist on erring on the side of caution with Parker need only check the team's player payroll for next season. They are obligated to pay Parker $12.6 million, whether healthy or injured.

The Spurs need TP and everyone else to be 100% if they wanna get title number 5. TP needs to cool off, and realize they are doing this for the betterment of the team, the city, and himself (for his health).

[SonOfAGun]

Can't Tony wait and play for France once he is in L.A. after Duncan has retired??

[raspsa]

I think I'll wait for an official statement from Tony and hear the word from his mouth. Hopefully by then he'll have had time to cool down and analyze the situation. If there's one thing the Spurs and Pop in particular detest is flaunting dirty laundry for the public to see.. once a decision is made, nothing good comes from continuing to discuss it in the media. Tony already had a similar situation during the Jason Kidd courtship and he came out in the media questioning the Spurs strategy. Pop gave him an earful back then. Hopefully he just keeps quiet and accepts the reality. I don't see him escalating this into a confrontation with Holt.

[DJB]

Parker will be playing with Kobe once his contract expires sadly enough


so the Spurs should just tell him to shut the fuck up and sit down in mean time


Why? Kobe will be washed up by that time.

[benefactor]

This is all getting blown way out of proportion. If Tony was irritated at all then he and Holt have probably talked by now and everything is fine.

[ducks]

The Spurs need TP and everyone else to be 100% if they wanna get title number 5. TP needs to cool off, and realize they are doing this for the betterment of the team, the city, and himself (for his health).

did you feel that way about manu last year?

[ducks]

I think I'll wait for an official statement from Tony and hear the word from his mouth. Hopefully by then he'll have had time to cool down and analyze the situation. If there's one thing the Spurs and Pop in particular detest is flaunting dirty laundry for the public to see.. once a decision is made, nothing good comes from continuing to discuss it in the media. Tony already had a similar situation during the Jason Kidd courtship and he came out in the media questioning the Spurs strategy. Pop gave him an earful back then. Hopefully he just keeps quiet and accepts the reality. I don't see him escalating this into a confrontation with Holt.

there was already a tp quote

[Russ]

Parker plays one of the most reckless styles in the NBA, flying to the basket and routinely landing on his back after layups. Yet he has never been seriously injured.

Last year he had what looked to be a very bad ankle sprain. But he came back quicker than scheduled and with no loss of speed or explosiveness.

I agree with TP on his forced exile from France -- it is much adieu about nothing.

[Kori Ellis]

This is all getting blown way out of proportion. If Tony was irritated at all then he and Holt have probably talked by now and everything is fine.

I agree. It's understandable if he was initially upset at having to come back, but I doubt this has a long-term effect on anything. He'll come home, talk to Pop/RC/Holt and just go on.

[raspsa]

there was already a tp quote

Oh, OK.. then hopefully Tony doesn't pursue the matter any further. he should be mature enough to accept Holt's decision and any further discussion in public will come to no good.

[crc21209]

Parker will have his rings, and he will love the LA spotlight, not like he would have much to prove anyway after riding Timmy's coat tails to all those titles and even stole a finals MVP from him

TP isnt going anywhere.

[ploto]

Personally, I think Pop is voluntarily playing the bad guy role, like parents do, and letting Tony save face with the French fans by blaming him- when in reality Tony understands why the Spurs have to be so cautious after what happened last year. Heaven knows how many times I have told my kid just to blame me.

[ducks]

Oh, OK.. then hopefully Tony doesn't pursue the matter any further. he should be mature enough to accept Holt's decision and any further discussion in public will come to no good.

why was manu not mature enough?

[benefactor]

why was manu not mature enough?
No brain damaged people allowed in this thread.

[dbreiden83080]

Please don't blow your friggin season on this Tony. God i love this nonsense with international play, millions and millions guaranteed and they get to risk serious injury playing elsewhere. Blow out your knee Tony and wreck the Spurs last best shot at a title..