Spurs.com: Tony Parker Injury Update

[jiggy_55]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/tony_parker_injury_update_090801.html

August 1, 2009
Tony Parker Injury Update

Tony Parker was examined earlier today by the Spurs medical staff. The examination confirms that he has a mild sprain of his right ankle.
Parker will begin his rehabilitation process in San Antonio before rejoining the French National Team next week. He will not be with the team on Wednesday when France faces Italy in an additional qualifying round game in the 2009 Euroleague Championship. A timeline for Parker's return will be determined based on how he responds to his rehabilitation program.

"We want to thank Tony for returning to San Antonio to allow our medical staff examine him," said Spurs General Manager R.C. Buford. "It shows his maturity and his dedication to the Spurs organization."

[Spursfan092120]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/tony_parker_injury_update_090801.html

August 1, 2009
Tony Parker Injury Update

Tony Parker was examined earlier today by the Spurs medical staff. The examination confirms that he has a mild sprain of his right ankle.
Parker will begin his rehabilitation process in San Antonio before rejoining the French National Team next week. He will not be with the team on Wednesday when France faces Italy in an additional qualifying round game in the 2009 Euroleague Championship. A timeline for Parker's return will be determined based on how he responds to his rehabilitation program.

"We want to thank Tony for returning to San Antonio to allow our medical staff examine him," said Spurs General Manager R.C. Buford. "It shows his maturity and his dedication to the Spurs organization."
ok...so now all the people who said "Oh Noes...let's trade Tony" can calm down a bit...he's fine.

[Dex]

Good to know it's nothing serious. Sounds like the Spurs just wanted to be cautious and get a good look at things, and Tony was mature enough to oblige. Win-win. Glad to hear that the Spurs are in-charge of the rehab process at this point, as well.

[honestfool84]

so he IS going back to the FNT to play...

hmmmm.

[Bruno]

:lol @ Buford kissing Parker's ass. i guess they realized they went too far on this one...

[Spursfan 87]

minor to mild sprain

[Dex]

:lol @ Buford kissing Parker's ass. i guess they realized they went too far on this one...

Way to spin something out of nothing. I'm gonna have you be my lawyer next time I get in an accident.

[Bambililos]

Yeah, win-win... Except for the French NT who not only won't have its best player in arguably the most important game in 2 years, but also won't have him around to build team chemistry and at least watch practices.

The French doctors were right when they said it was a minor injury, the Spurs are acting like they're the only ones who could handle the situation when rehab is easily doable in France.

I love the Spurs but they're really annoying right now.
Yeah, they're the ones paying TP to play DURING THE REGULAR SEASON AND PLAYOFFS. Right now TP is on vacation and may do what he pleases. Does your boss call you during summer vacation to check on you? Does he urge you to come to the office IMMEDIATELY?

[Freeze]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/tony_parker_injury_update_090801.html

August 1, 2009
Tony Parker Injury Update

Tony Parker was examined earlier today by the Spurs medical staff. The examination confirms that he has a mild sprain of his right ankle.
Parker will begin his rehabilitation process in San Antonio before rejoining the French National Team next week. He will not be with the team on Wednesday when France faces Italy in an additional qualifying round game in the 2009 Euroleague Championship. A timeline for Parker's return will be determined based on how he responds to his rehabilitation program.

"We want to thank Tony for returning to San Antonio to allow our medical staff examine him," said Spurs General Manager R.C. Buford. "It shows his maturity and his dedication to the Spurs organization."

GREAT NEWS !!!!!

Wait, is it a news ?

:rolleyes

[benefactor]

:lol @ Buford kissing Parker's ass. i guess they realized they went too far on this one...
Seems more like mutual respect and appreciation to me, but I'm sure your http://www.fullsportpress.com/france.gif colored glasses show you something different.

[Pucho!!!]

Yeah, win-win... Except for the French NT who not only won't have its best player in arguably the most important game in 2 years, but also won't have him around to build team chemistry and at least watch practices.

The French doctors were right when they said it was a minor injury, the Spurs are acting like they're the only ones who could handle the situation when rehab is easily doable in France.

I love the Spurs but they're really annoying right now.
Yeah, they're the ones paying TP to play DURING THE REGULAR SEASON AND PLAYOFFS. Right now TP is on vacation and may do what he pleases. Does your boss call you during summer vacation to check on you? Does he urge you to come to the office IMMEDIATELY?

Well, if the job depended almost completely how well my body is functioning then yes ur boss would call u in for further evaluations if u got hurt. Look the Spurs r trying to be extra cautious with a player they feel will be carryin a large portion of the offensive load. I don't think this is that bad esp considering the debacle that happened last year. Parker needs to grow up. He knows y the Spurs r reacting this way, so y all the fuss. Don't u think the lack of trust between the medical staff (Spurs vs FNT) is that the Spurs may feel they may be considering their own agenda above the Spurs and may be downplaying it, maybe that's sumthing they experienced last year with Manu. I dunno, all I know is come reg season I want a healthy squad not a hobbled one

[timvp]

Sounds like good news to me. He will get about three weeks off until he has to play again. And he will *gasp* only miss the games he was likely to miss even if he stayed in France. So this trip back to San Antonio won't have any affect other than the Spurs building trust that Parker can balance his Spurs dedication with his NT dedication.

As long as France can hang within a dozen points of Italy and beat Finland, I'd say France should have a pretty good chance of advancing to the next round.

[Bruno]

Seems more like mutual respect and appreciation to me, but I'm sure your http://www.fullsportpress.com/france.gif colored glasses show you something different.

Mutual respect ?

TP said that he didn't understand Spurs' choice and has had hard words with Holt. He only went to SA to avoid a clash with his bosses. So, it surely looks like mutual respect. :rolleyes

So before puling the french card, try at least to make some sense.

[Bruno]

BTW, Spurs' medical staff has started to ask TP to come back in SA last Monday. The MRI showed a scar in the lateral ligament and they thought that the injury was more serious. Both doctors that looked at him in France said that the scar was related to a previous injury and that Parker's ligaments were fine.

[Spurs Brazil]

Spurs exam confirms Parker diagnosis
By Jeff McDonald on Aug 1, 09 04:22 PM | Permalink | Comments (3) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
An examination of Tony Parker's sore right ankle this afternoon in San Antonio has confirmed what French doctors diagnosed last week -- Parker has a mild sprain in the ankle, but no ligament damage.

The Spurs point guard will remain in San Antonio to continue a rehabilitation program before rejoing the French national team next week. Parker will not be available to play in Les Bleus' Euroleague qualifier Wednesday against Italy.

Parker was injured while playing with Les Bleus in a July 23 game against Austria. At the time, French doctors diagnosed Parker with a right ankle sprain, but said he should be good to play against Italy.

Late this week, and much to Parker's chagrin, the Spurs summoned their point guard back to San Antonio to be examined by their own medical staff. One trans-Atlantic flight later, the Spurs doctors came to the same conclusion as the French doctors.

"We want to thank Tony for returning to San Antonio to allow our medical staff to examine him," Spurs general manager R.C. Buford said in a team-released statement. "It shows his maturity and his dedication to the Spurs organization."

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/08/spurs-exam-conf.html

[z0sa]

:lol @ Buford kissing Parker's ass. i guess they realized they went too far on this one...

:rolleyes

[clubalien]

key to season:don't get injured
didn't we already have a spur's bigman ruin his game by motorcycle injury, maybe new contracts need to include it before tony takes a fall

http://www.scooteringusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/eva-tony-paris-roll-300x214.jpg

[timvp]

BTW, Spurs' medical staff has started to ask TP to come back in SA last Monday.Sounds like he should have gone on Monday.


The MRI showed a scar in the lateral ligament and they thought that the injury was more serious.Reasonable concern :tu


Both doctors that looked at him in France said that the scar was related to a previous injury and that Parker's ligaments were fine.Good job, French doctors :)

Although, I'm sure the lack of trust from the Spurs' end start from when Parker broke his finger and the NT said he was good to go ... even though he would have been out for months if he would have gotten hit on the broken finger again.

But all in all, this drama seems to have worked out pretty well. Parker probably wasn't going to play against Italy anyways. The NT just needs to stay somewhat close against Italy and beat Finland. They have better players than Italy so not getting killed shouldn't be too much to ask . . .

[J.T.]

Fuck Pony Tarker.

[Brazil]

Oh please Duncan the goat, spursanus, GSH, portnoy1... leave this board and go root for the lakers or something

[Brazil]

But all in all, this drama seems to have worked out pretty well. Parker probably wasn't going to play against Italy anyways. The NT just needs to stay somewhat close against Italy and beat Finland. They have better players than Italy so not getting killed shouldn't be too much to ask . . .

yeah just a 22 hours trip + jet lag for nothing

[timvp]

yeah just a 22 hours trip + jet lag for nothing

He'll have a full week to recover before he has to play again. I think he'll manage to get over the jet lag :violin

[picnroll]

:lol @ Buford kissing Parker's ass. i guess they realized they went too far on this one...

Doubt it. They wanted to make an evaluation and now they control determining how he responds to treatment AND they leave no question whatsoever that Parker himself or the coaches might be tempted to play him in the game against Italy. Buford is just doing standard ass kissing for public consumption and Parker's ego PR.

[MaNu4Tres]

This whole situation has been blown out of proportion. Spurs did what any team in contention would do, especially if they had one of their stars injured the previous season because of a similar situation.

Parker is on his way back to France, it's not a big deal.

[benefactor]

Mutual respect ?

TP said that he didn't understand Spurs' choice and has had hard words with Holt. He only went to SA to avoid a clash with his bosses. So, it surely looks like mutual respect. :rolleyes

So before puling the french card, try at least to make some sense.
Tony was upset...Buford explains why they wanted him to come back to the states and then comes out and thanks Tony publicly as he knows Tony was upset. Buford and the Spurs know how important this is to Tony....as Tony came back knowing how important he is to the Spurs. It's mutual respect.

You can over-dramatize it all you want because you are pissed that he will miss a few games(games he would have missed anyway), but it is what it is and not what you are making it out to be.

[Bruno]

Although, I'm sure the lack of trust from the Spurs' end start from when Parker broke his finger and the NT said he was good to go ... even though he would have been out for months if he would have gotten hit on the broken finger again.

Put the lack of confidence on what you want but it's sure that there are some serious trouble between both medical staff.
French NT doctor said that Spurs' staff have suspected them to have modified MRI pictures send to them to minimize Parker's injury.
At the end, all this trouble hurt everybody: Spurs, the NT and TP.



But all in all, this drama seems to have worked out pretty well. Parker probably wasn't going to play against Italy anyways.

That's a quite wild assumption. Parker playing or not against Italy would have depended on the end of the rehab.

[Freeze]

Put the lack of confidence on what you want but it's sure that there are some serious trouble between both medical staff.
French NT doctor said that Spurs' staff have suspected them to have modified MRI pictures send to them to minimize Parker's injury.
At the end, all this trouble hurt everybody: Spurs, the NT and TP.

Source ?

:(

[Bruno]

Source ?

:(

Today's l'equipe.

[Freeze]

http://www.basketfrance.com/images/actus/Z_20090801-012138-2.jpg
Tony Parker à suivi des soins pendant son vol pour San Antonio grâce à la présence de l'ostéopathe de l'Equipe de France, Fabrice Gautier qui l'accompagnait (Gautier / FFBB)

[Freeze]

Today's l'equipe.

I should have bought it :downspin:

Edit : Done, sorry it's in French.

Parker le prisonnier


Rappelé au Texas sur l’injonction de San Antonio, le meneur des Spurs a très peu de chances de retrouver les Bleus.


LE BRAS DE FER s’annonce tendu, les yeux dans les yeux. Tony Parker est arrivé hier soir à San Antonio, regard noir, mâchoires serrées, colère toujours vive. Il rencontre le staff des Spurs aujourd’hui et va tenter de convaincre ses employeurs de revenir en France dès dimanche. Jeudi soir, à la mi-temps du match contre la Hongrie (70-69) à Paris-Coubertin, ses patrons lui ordonnaient de prendre le premier avion pour vérifier l’état de sa cheville droite touchée vendredi dernier à Strasbourg.

Il a parlementé, mais le ton du propriétaire des quadruple champions de NBA, Peter Holt, le roi du « tracteur business », ne laissait aucune marge. Quelques minutes après, le meneur français, cloué sur le banc de la sélection pour cet ultime match de préparation, recevait sur son téléphone un billet d’avion pour le lendemain matin. Retour au pays sans la moindre discussion.

Tout laisse même penser que les Spurs ne permettront pas à leur star de revenir auprès des Bleus, désormais en pleine tempête à cinq jours du match en Italie, qui déterminera tout ou partie de la qualification à l’Euro et, en filigrane, l’avenir international de la génération Parker.


POURQUOI LES SPURS RAPPELLENT-ILS PARKER ?

Tony Parker s’est blessé à la cheville droite vendredi dernier à Strasbourg. Le diagnostic établit une entorse « bénigne sans lésion ligamentaire ni arrachement osseux ». Le joueur passe les examens habituels et les staffs médicaux des Spurs et de l’équipe de France, selon le protocole établi depuis quelques mois avec les clubs des internationaux, échangent des comptes rendus et des images. Le rapatriement, comme en 2007 (voir par ailleurs), est évoqué pour la première fois lundi lorsque Parker est appelé par les Spurs.

« J’ai ensuite eu leur médecin-chef au téléphone, il estimait qu’il y avait aussi un problème sur le tendon et me dit : je veux qu’il rentre (à San Antonio), car je suis responsable d’un joueur qui coûte 66 millions de dollars (sux six ans) », raconte le docteur Vincent Cavelier, médecin national en charge du haut niveau.

Le médecin américain exige alors un examen supplémentaire via une IRM (imagerie par résonance magnétique) surpuissante dont la vocation n’est pas d’examiner les chevilles, mais le cerveau. « Ils ont vu une cicatrice sur le ligament latéral externe, mais qui date d’une ancienne blessure. Or, Tony ne se plaint pas de son tendon. En fait, ils nous suspectent d’avoir trafiqué les images pour minimiser la blessure. Alors, l’hôpital du Val-de-Grâce leur renvoie les images et le professeur Mouchet, un grand spécialiste qu’ils nous ont demandé de consulter, confirme jeudi midi que c’est bien une image cicatricielle (ancienne blessure inactive). On s’est pliés à tout ce qu’ils demandaient ; peut-être espéraient-ils prendre les médecins français en faute », suggère le docteur Cavelier pour expliquer l’attitude autoritaire des Spurs.

Peut-être veulent-ils surtout garder au chaud un joueur majeur à l’aube d’une saison 2009-2010 pour laquelle les Spurs ont cassé leur tirelire alors que deux pointes du trio magique, Tim Duncan (33 ans) et Manu Ginobili (32 ans), accumulent les pépins de santé. L’Argentin s’est blessé l’an dernier pendant le tournoi olympique, ce qui l’a privé du premier mois de la saison NBA.

En le rappelant malgré un rétablissement en bonne voie – Parker a recommencé à courir et à tirer jeudi matin –, les Spurs le mettent très clairement au pas.


QUELLES SONT LES CHANCES D’UN RETOUR RAPIDE ?

Minimes. La considération des Spurs pour le staff médical de l’équipe de France et le contexte actuel dans la franchise texane n’engagent pas à l’optimisme. « Tony a employé le terme d’insulte à l’égard de la médecine française, et la discussion a été chaude entre Peter Holt (propriétaire des Spurs) et lui », glisse Patrick Beesley, le directeur de la sélection, qui a tenté une médiation en proposant aux Spurs de ne pas utiliser Parker pour le choc en Italie mercredi soir. En vain.

« On doit céder à la pression alors qu’on a appliqué toutes leurs exigences. C’est blessant. Ils remettent clairement en question toutes les interprétations de notre staff médical », déplore-t-il. L’ostéopathe Fabrice Gautier, basé à Los Angeles, accompagne Parker à San Antonio et rendra compte des discussions d’aujourd’hui.

Vincent Collet estimait hier après-midi « très compliqué » un retour à temps pour Italie-France. Parker n’a joué que douze minutes en match officiel depuis le 28 avril. « Tony nous a dit qu’il reviendrait dimanche mais… Et il faut aussi comprendre le contexte des Spurs, même si je le subis de plein fouet », commentait l’entraîneur des Bleus, qui ne tire pas un trait sur la présence de son capitaine et leader, mais ne se fait guère d’illusions non plus.

S’il confirme le diagnostic français, le résultat des examens que repasse Parker dans l’environnement médical de San Antonio aujourd’hui ne suffira peut-être pas à infléchir la décision des Spurs de maintenir leur joueur dans le cocon texan. De là à l’interdire d’équipe de France ? Difficile à dire, mais la volonté affirmée de Parker de retrouver le maillot bleu dès que possible peut laisser un espoir. Les quadruple champions de NBA ne peuvent pas se permettre de laisser place à la moindre insatisfaction d’un joueur autour duquel ils ont prévu de reconstruire à la fin de l’ère Tim Duncan, soit dans trois ans.


COMMENT REMPLACER PARKER ET GOMIS ?

L’indisponibilité probable de Tony Parker pour au minimum le début des repêchages (5 août) à l’Euro (7-20 septembre en Pologne) est une catastrophe pour l’équipe de France, dont il est l’incontestable leader offensif. D’autant que sa doublure Joseph Gomis quitte également la sélection en raison d’une tendinite au tendon d’Achille. Un éventuel retour n’est pas à l’ordre du jour. À cinq jours d’Italie-France, Vincent Collet est donc confronté à une pénurie de meneurs, les seuls Yannick Bokolo et Nando De Colo ne pouvant assumer pleinement cette tâche.

Deux meneurs spécifiques rompus aux systèmes de jeu de l’entraîneur, ont donc été appelés : l’expérimenté Aymeric Jeanneau (ASVEL), qui a travaillé toute la saison avec Collet, et l’espoir Antoine Diot, multimédaillé chez les jeunes, qui a passé une saison au Mans sous les ordres du coach des Bleus. « Dans l’urgence, il fallait réagir. Il y a très peu de temps pour reconstituer le groupe. C’est pour cela que j’ai choisi deux joueurs qui connaissent mes aspirations de jeu. Et Aymeric avait aussi suppléé Tony (Parker) avant le Mondial 2006. Il m’a dit qu’il n’était pas en forme physique mais Antoine, lui, a été brillant à l’Euro espoirs (2e avec la France) et est en forme. » Jeanneau et Diot intègrent les entraînements aujourd’hui et devraient, sauf retour rapide de Parker, être alignés en Italie.

Apparue peu performante collectivement jeudi lors du petit succès contre la Hongrie (70-69), l’équipe de France avance vers une quinzaine cruciale fragilisée par les coups de massue qui s’accumulent, entre les départs, celui-là programmé, de Joakim Noah, et de Tony Parker, auxquels s’ajoutent les blessures de Joseph Gomis et Mamoutou Diarra (périarthrite à l’épaule droite). Ce dernier, qui quitte également la sélection, sera remplacé par un autre jeune, Edwin Jackson (19 ans), de la génération Batum-Diot.

Quant à Joakim Noah, il semble qu’une ouverture soit possible puisque Gar Forman, le manager général des Chicago Bulls, a indiqué dans le quotidien « Daily Herald » que « c’est à Joakim de décider » de rejoindre ou non les Bleus ajoutant au sujet de son retour à Chicago : « Ce n’est pas nous qui avons pris la décision. »

Troublante déclaration qui laisse la porte ouverte à un retour parmi les Bleus mais interroge sur la réalité des discussions entre les Bulls, qui étaient soi-disant décideurs, et l’équipe de France. Où l’on n’entend plus parler de Larry Brown, le super consultant.


ARNAUD LECOMTE

[timvp]

Put the lack of confidence on what you want but it's sure that there are some serious trouble between both medical staff.
French NT doctor said that Spurs' staff have suspected them to have modified MRI pictures send to them to minimize Parker's injury.
At the end, all this trouble hurt everybody: Spurs, the NT and TP.Trying to have Parker play through a broken finger that could have had him miss months isn't something that is forgotten overnight. Especially since there has been more drama since that point.

If the French NT would have told TP to go home after breaking his finger and not only relenting after Pop cussed out the whole NT hierarchy, this type of mistrust wouldn't have built up.

But that's not saying the NT is 100% to blame. The Spurs are probably just as guilty due to not even wanting TP to play in the first place and making him jump through hoops to play.


That's a quite wild assumption. Parker playing or not against Italy would have depended on the end of the rehab.He hasn't been able to start rehab yet. Plus, like you said, he wasn't even close to in shape either. I don't think he could rehab and get in shape in like three or four days.

And :lol @ it being a wild assumption even though the NT was talking about the possibility even before any of this Spurs stuff went down. In fact, it's probably clear to classify it as a safe assumption.

I know you want to frame it like the big bad Spurs ruined TP's life dream by making up an injury and then dragging him kicking and screaming onto a plane to further add hardships ... but that's obviously not what happened.

[Blackjack]

http://www.basketfrance.com/images/actus/Z_20090801-012138-2.jpg


Tony must not be aware of mouse's exploits...

[Bruno]

Tony was upset...Buford explains why they wanted him to come back to the states and then comes out and thanks Tony publicly as he knows Tony was upset. Buford and the Spurs know how important this is to Tony....as Tony came back knowing how important he is to the Spurs. It's mutual respect.


No. Spurs have started TP to come back in SA on Monday and it end up with Holt ordering Parker to come back. You can talk about "mutual respect" but it wasn't the case. Bad words have been exchanged and bad feelings have been created in this story, deal with that.

Al this story has surely hurt the relationship between Parker and Spurs. Maybe not deeply but at least a little. Buford kissing TP's ass in the press release is for sure a try to start repairing what has been broken.

[Kori Ellis]

No. Spurs have started TP to come back in SA on Monday and it end up with Holt ordering Parker to come back. You can talk about "mutual respect" but it wasn't the case. Bad words have been exchanged and bad feelings have been created in this story, deal with that.

Al this story has surely hurt the relationship between Parker and Spurs. Maybe not deeply but at least a little. Buford kissing TP's ass in the press release is for sure a try to start repairing what has been broken.

Or maybe you have just been duped by the French press into thinking that it's all that. I seriously doubt that many bad words were exchanged and I seriously doubt that the Parker will have any bad feelings toward the Spurs. It's probably a non-issue at this point from Parker's point of view. Was he upset at the initial call? Sure. But he knows it's a business. He knows they are protecting him as a valuable asset. And he has way too much respect for Pop/RC/Holt for this to be grudge issue. And it's mutual.

[timvp]

I've never heard of Holt calling and ordering players around. If TP got the request initially by text message, I'm going to say it was RC. Pop doesn't text message and I don't think Holt does either.

Has TP actually said Holt or has he just said "the Spurs" and that was assumed to be Holt?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

yeah just a 22 hours trip + jet lag for nothing

Actually, I'd be more interested to know about the effect of flying on a recently sprained ankle. Cabin pressure in a plane is only about 0.8 of an atmosphere - that's why your extremities swell up, and why some people wear flight stockings to prevent deep vein thrombosis. I'd venture that flying with a swollen ankle would exacerbate the swelling.

[Bruno]

Trying to have Parker play through a broken finger that could have had him miss months isn't something that is forgotten overnight. Especially since there has been more drama since that point.

You want to re-doo the "broken finger" story ?
What you say is just plain wrong. Don't rewrite what has happened, timvppp.



And :lol @ it being a wild assumption even though the NT was talking about the possibility even before any of this Spurs stuff went down. In fact, it's probably clear to classify it as a safe assumption.


And lol @ you claiming to know if Parker would have played against Italy. You aren't a doctor and you haven't seen Parker in his rehab.
I take what the NT staff said above what you said.

[Bruno]

Or maybe you have just been duped by the French press into thinking that it's all that. I seriously doubt that many bad words were exchanged and I seriously doubt that the Parker will have any bad feelings toward the Spurs. It's probably a non-issue at this point from Parker's point of view. Was he upset at the initial call? Sure. But he knows it's a business. He knows they are protecting him as a valuable asset. And he has way too much respect for Pop/RC/Holt for this to be grudge issue. And it's mutual.

French press is just reporting what French NT GM is saying.
So either the NT GM is a liar, either bad words have been exchanged and Parker was really upset.

[Bruno]

I've never heard of Holt calling and ordering players around. If TP got the request initially by text message, I'm going to say it was RC. Pop doesn't text message and I don't think Holt does either.

Has TP actually said Holt or has he just said "the Spurs" and that was assumed to be Holt?

It's French NT GM who said it was Holt.

[jag]

yeah just a 22 hours trip + jet lag for nothing

I love how people act as if the Spurs don't have a lot more invested into Tony's future than a 22 hour plance trip (+ jet lag) that Tony might have to "suffer" through.

[benefactor]

No. Spurs have started TP to come back in SA on Monday and it end up with Holt ordering Parker to come back. You can talk about "mutual respect" but it wasn't the case. Bad words have been exchanged and bad feelings have been created in this story, deal with that.

Al this story has surely hurt the relationship between Parker and Spurs. Maybe not deeply but at least a little. Buford kissing TP's ass in the press release is for sure a try to start repairing what has been broken.
Whatever you say......

:dramaquee

[Rogue]

TL should make the right decision by himself without any guidance or hint from the Spurs organization, despite the pressure from France. On behalf of the common interest TL shares with the Spurs team and even the French NT, Spurs organization made the request to draw TL back to SA where dude would get the best treatment he could possible receive.

TL is an adult person that has the rights and ability to make his own choices. I deeply doubt TL is willing to work his pants off for his NT with a severe injury in his ankle, dude just has to move his butt around the court because of the high expectations, or sadly, invisible pressures forced by those french NT organizers.

[Rogue]

Instead of crippling and disabling Longoria in this year, I think the Frenchmen have some other options to choose, like releasing him to San Antonio and staying away from him until his injury gets fully healed. No NBA team has ever forced its player to carry a bad injury onto the court while pretending to be totally OK, anyway the NT doesn't need to pay 10m every year to Tony Longoria. Longoria's injury may be healed in a week but some recovering training are always needed before dude gets fully fit for games, and the long-trip fatigue will add tons of risk to the possible relapse of his injury.

[benefactor]

Al this story has surely hurt the relationship between Parker and Spurs. Maybe not deeply but at least a little. Buford kissing TP's ass in the press release is for sure a try to start repairing what has been broken.
Let's get things straight here. Parker has been a part of the Spurs since he was 19 years old. He has spent the better part of his adult life around Pop, RC and Peter Holt. You actually want us to buy your argument that his relationship them is somehow damaged because of this? GTFO with that.

Parker knows what happened to Manu last year. He also knows what the Spurs have done financially this summer to make this team a contender. I'm sure that though he was upset initially, they sat down like people who have know each other closely for...oh...EIGHT years and discussed these things.

But you throw around bullshit like "RC is kissing TP's ass" and "Parker's relationship with the Spurs is damaged." You act like he is some sort of free agent that they signed last year and they are trying to stay within his good graces...and RC is some bumbling GM scared of losing his star. I stand by what I said...get rid of your blind nationalism and see things for how they really are.

[Baseline]

I'm sick and tired of NT Gate. Parker is an employee of the Spurs, so I'm disappointed to hear of his belly-aching about coming back to be examined. that should be standard procedure. In fact, it should way more harsh..."You want to play for your NT? Fine, then sign this injury waver and you can play all the NT games you want. Just don't come to us for your 10M if you're injured."

It was unbelievably magnanimous of RC to make that public statement. It was also the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen from the Spurs FO. It shows how much they value Parker, but don't think the FO won't remember that when his contract is up. I wouldn't forget that if I were the Spurs.

I still can't believe this. We're geared up for a title this year like never before, yet we're putting up with this diva act from Parker. Freaking last thing we need right now.

[Spurlady]

Yeah, win-win... Except for the French NT who not only won't have its best player in arguably the most important game in 2 years, but also won't have him around to build team chemistry and at least watch practices.

The French doctors were right when they said it was a minor injury, the Spurs are acting like they're the only ones who could handle the situation when rehab is easily doable in France.

I love the Spurs but they're really annoying right now.
Yeah, they're the ones paying TP to play DURING THE REGULAR SEASON AND PLAYOFFS. Right now TP is on vacation and may do what he pleases. Does your boss call you during summer vacation to check on you? Does he urge you to come to the office IMMEDIATELY?


Actually, many professional players and others cannot do whatever they want on vacation. There are clauses built into their contracts that limit certain activities (snow skiing, motorcycling, etc...). So no, Parker can't do whatever he wants--nor can Tim, Manu or Jefferson for that matter.

Moreover, many high level executives have had to cut their vacations short, having been summoned back to the office to deal with a crisis. Parker's crisis is a sprained ankle--mild, yes--but considering he is an intregral piece to a title run, a potential major crisis for the Spurs.

I feel bad for Tony and the FNT that this has happened--blame Manu's injury last season for making the Spurs organization much more sensitive to a summer injury. I'm hoping that much of the supposed "negative" words were for show. Parker didn't come back willingly--thereby not upsetting the French fans.

There is a definite conflict of interest for fans here. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Let's get things straight here. Parker has been a part of the Spurs since he was 19 years old. He has spent the better part of his adult life around Pop, RC and Peter Holt. You actually want us to buy your argument that his relationship them is somehow damaged because of this? GTFO with that.

Parker knows what happened to Manu last year. He also knows what the Spurs have done financially this summer to make this team a contender. I'm sure that though he was upset initially, they sat down like people who have know each other closely for...oh...EIGHT years and discussed these things.

But you throw around bullshit like "RC is kissing TP's ass" and "Parker's relationship with the Spurs is damaged." You act like he is some sort of free agent that they signed last year and they are trying to stay within his good graces...and RC is some bumbling GM scared of losing his star. I stand by what I said...get rid of your blind nationalism and see things for how they really are.

Indeed.

Bruno, someone once known as a reliable source of pertinent international info is now starting to sound like the French version of Peter Vescey.

This whole 'story' is going to disappear faster than Matt Bonner in a playoff game. Four months from now, nobody hear will be talking about the French NT except Bruno who'll be rumaging through RC Buford's garbage looking for the next 'scoop'.

My suggestion to Bruno; start up Spurstalk.fr and leave us NBA fans to discuss winning actual championships.

[urunobili]

yeah just a 22 hours trip + jet lag for nothing

Flying first class... :wakeup not that tiring my friend... specially in long haul flights...

[Kori Ellis]

I'm sick and tired of NT Gate. Parker is an employee of the Spurs, so I'm disappointed to hear of his belly-aching about coming back to be examined. that should be standard procedure. In fact, it should way more harsh..."You want to play for your NT? Fine, then sign this injury waver and you can play all the NT games you want. Just don't come to us for your 10M if you're injured."

It was unbelievably magnanimous of RC to make that public statement. It was also the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen from the Spurs FO. It shows how much they value Parker, but don't think the FO won't remember that when his contract is up. I wouldn't forget that if I were the Spurs.

I still can't believe this. We're geared up for a title this year like never before, yet we're putting up with this diva act from Parker. Freaking last thing we need right now.

Where did you see any bellyaching or diva acting from Parker? You are going off about something reported third hand that he was upset at the phone call.

[picnroll]

hahahah what the fuck is he wearing????
wtf is he doing riding a motorcycle or scooter?

[raspsa]

http://www.basketfrance.com/images/actus/Z_20090801-012138-2.jpg
Tony Parker à suivi des soins pendant son vol pour San Antonio grâce à la présence de l'ostéopathe de l'Equipe de France, Fabrice Gautier qui l'accompagnait (Gautier / FFBB)

I didn't realize Tony is flatfooted..
Lets all be gald its just the ankle and a thigh bruise and the knee idn't take a hit.. Spurs have enough knee concerns.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Sounds like good news to me. He will get about three weeks off until he has to play again. And he will *gasp* only miss the games he was likely to miss even if he stayed in France. So this trip back to San Antonio won't have any affect other than the Spurs building trust that Parker can balance his Spurs dedication with his NT dedication.

As long as France can hang within a dozen points of Italy and beat Finland, I'd say France should have a pretty good chance of advancing to the next round.

Even with their injuries Italy's current roster is 8 players deep. France will have a huge challenge trying to qualify now.

[ducks]

so it was ok for manu to play last year because spurs did not make big moves and pay 10 million in tax?

[gtownspur]

this thread has mookie bait written all over it.

[Brazil]

Flying first class... :wakeup not that tiring my friend... specially in long haul flights...

Even in first class it's not a carabian cruise with swimming pool and hot chicks.

The point is 22 hours, jet lag, drama, everybody pissed off for NOTHING

[Brazil]

There is a difference between FIBA and the olympics. Manu did the right thing and only played for the Olympic team and let the ARG team get an olympic slot without him. TP should do the same.

France cannot afford that

[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs owners and fanbase would be pissed, this is the only time in franchise history holt and his partners are spending big and going all in on the flop wanting to win this championship.

i dont want another setback like the crap ginoboli has done to himself in NT duties b4 the nba regular season gets away....we dont want to go through that shit again. We cant afford to.

[Riverwalkman]

I seriously doubt that many bad words were exchanged and I seriously doubt that the Parker will have any bad feelings toward the Spurs. It's probably a non-issue at this point from Parker's point of view.
French Spurs fan maybe too upset coz there's too much negtive words from French press. And I can comprehend that they ought to be more sensitive to their NT players.

[Riverwalkman]

http://www.sport365.fr/basket-hand-volley/basket/infos/article_337365_basket-patrick-beesley-Tony-est-en-colere-.shtml

Early Friday morning, Parker flew to the United States to measure the evolution of his sprained ankle with the staff of the Spurs. A blow to the Blues who do not know when their leader will be back. Explanations with the coach, Vincent Collet, and general manager, Patrick Beesley.

The unlikely scenario

Patrick Beesley: "At half-time, Tony received a call from the chairman of Spurs who told him:" Your plane is at 9:25 tomorrow towards Houston. For ease, he then proposed to overlook the first game in Italy to try to calm things. Tony has tried but the president has recalled saying: "Depart 9:25, the ticket is on your mobile. Returning to the hotel, we decided to give in to pressure and let him go with Fabrice Gauthier, osteopath of the French team not to lose time in the reconstruction process. Only about starting a course, been raised, we do not know anything about a possible return. The pressure was rising for several days but he did not expect that. "


http://www.sport365.fr/basket-hand-volley/basket/infos/article_337527_basket-bleus-Parker-revient...apres-l-Italie.shtml

The San Antonio Spurs have announced that their french leader Tony Parker was allowed to return France next week, but only after the capital of Blue match in Italy on Wednesday. Meanwhile, he continues to heal his ankle.

[kace]

Where did you see any bellyaching or diva acting from Parker? You are going off about something reported third hand that he was upset at the phone call.

maybe your and Timvp behaviour about this story isn't stranger to this kind of stupid reaction about tp.

you say completely false things about tp first injury (finger). facts are facts and timvp is just lying about that.

and now, we're going into the whole "french press is lying" stupid and disrespecting thing.

the fact is the french doctors were right, as anyone with half a brain should have understood, and that all this mess was done for nothing.

i read some of Timvp arguments and i just find it hilarious. bad faith at full strenght.

now we have the proof that the french medical staff was right and cautious, on the contrary of what timvp said, and still he keeps arguing.

tomorrow, we will have the proof that TP was really upset (angry ?) about the spurs order to come back (which isn't a so big deal anyway), and still you will be arguing that it was "french press invention" or "third hand info".

Spurs medical staff was sure impressive with the Mahinmi situation.

[JPB]

Or maybe you have just been duped by the French press into thinking that it's all that. I seriously doubt that many bad words were exchanged and I seriously doubt that the Parker will have any bad feelings toward the Spurs. It's probably a non-issue at this point from Parker's point of view. Was he upset at the initial call? Sure. But he knows it's a business. He knows they are protecting him as a valuable asset. And he has way too much respect for Pop/RC/Holt for this to be grudge issue. And it's mutual.


I've never heard of Holt calling and ordering players around. If TP got the request initially by text message, I'm going to say it was RC. Pop doesn't text message and I don't think Holt does either.

Has TP actually said Holt or has he just said "the Spurs" and that was assumed to be Holt?


It's been reported by several reliable sources and I've heard the french GM on a sport radio show explaining what he witnessed :

He was really really surprised by the tone of the discussion between TP and Holt and by the hard words used by Peter. Tony was really pissed too.

Story is Pop asked TP to come back and Tony kind of refused. Then Holt called him and ordered him to take the first plane.

I think everybody's smart enough to put that beyond them but there was real tension there.

[23LeBronJames23]

They have 3 other NBA players that can risk getting hurt.

timmy and manu?

[Capt Bringdown]

My suggestion to Bruno; start up Spurstalk.fr and leave us NBA fans to discuss winning actual championships.

Actually, different opinions/info sources are what makes things interesting. My suggestion to you; go over to the other forum if you want to play the follow-the-leader groupthink game.

[sonic21]

the spurs overreacted for sure but i can understand them. I think tony was pissed because he thought the spurs would not allow him to play the remaining games. Now we'll see if the french NT has enough chemistry to be competitive wednesday against italy.

[Alain]

Just to clear things up: am I right to think that Tony could have simply ignore spurs order to come back? And then, what would have been the consequences? Is he allowed to do whatever he wants during his vacation or not?

[johnnyblues]

parker plays for france because he knows he'd never get any pt with usa

Parker plays for France because he's French. Idiot.

[temujin]

France will need th best of Parker to get by Italy.
And they won't get any next eek.

France is weak in the backcourt and inside, and has a plethora of selfish perimeter players.
They also have a terrible coach.

Italy, as I watched last night, is finally getting a decent team. A couple of bigs are coming on strong, they found a goop PG. The weak point is the no-to-little defense of the two rich NBA players.
Bargnani is obviously hopeless, but Belo has shown hints that he might seriously come to play.

There is more than a chance that Mr. Parker will be back on vacation in a couple of weeks.

[temujin]

Just to clear things up: am I right to think that Tony could have simply ignore spurs order to come back? And then, what would have been the consequences? Is he allowed to do whatever he wants during his vacation or not?

If my employee gets injured while on vacation, he keeps the job.
If he/she gets injured while playing for another organization in an irrelevant game while I am paying him/her, he gets fired immediately.

[sonic21]

Italy, as I watched last night, is finally getting a decent team. A couple of bigs are coming on strong, they found a goop PG. The weak point is the no-to-little defense of the two rich NBA players.
Bargnani is obviously hopeless, but Belo has shown hints that he might seriously come to play.



was it this game?

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[Riverwalkman]

If my employee gets injured while on vacation, he keeps the job.
If he/she gets injured while playing for another organization in an irrelevant game while I am paying him/her, he gets fired immediately.
:toast Nice point.

[sonic21]

even without tony, France can beat Italy, they have no defense and the french team offense is inconsistent without tony. We just have to hope some players (mainly diaw who was really average during the friendly games) to show up offensively.

[Bruno]

But you throw around bullshit like "RC is kissing TP's ass" and "Parker's relationship with the Spurs is damaged." You act like he is some sort of free agent that they signed last year and they are trying to stay within his good graces...and RC is some bumbling GM scared of losing his star. I stand by what I said...get rid of your blind nationalism and see things for how they really are.

Throwing around BS ? :lol

French NT GM said himself that Parker was hurt by what Holt said to him. Parker said himself that he regretted what happened.
Who should I believe: someone that talked to Parker and Parker or you who is talking from your ass?

And how many times Spurs put a quote from RC, Pop or someone else in their official press release? Maybe 1% of them are with a quote...
Like it or not but the fact that Spurs put a quote form RC to say thank you to TP in their official news means something.

You're free to "stand by what you said", I will go with the interpretation that is based on reliable reports. Stay in your fairy tail world, I'm in the real one where all things point in the direction that there is/was a quarrel between Spurs and Parker.

[Macca76]

Indeed.

Bruno, someone once known as a reliable source of pertinent international info is now starting to sound like the French version of Peter Vescey.

This whole 'story' is going to disappear faster than Matt Bonner in a playoff game. Four months from now, nobody hear will be talking about the French NT except Bruno who'll be rumaging through RC Buford's garbage looking for the next 'scoop'.

My suggestion to Bruno; start up Spurstalk.fr and leave us NBA fans to discuss winning actual championships.

Yeah right, more than 20 000 views for the 4 threads about the subject but still no one cares. If you're not interested, don't read it and don't answer. The subject is actually very interesting even if non french fans seem to refuse to see the point of view of french spurs fans who are writing on this forum (myself included).

I think we can safely say that Bruno is a respected poster on this forum and still very few posters try to understand why he is /we are upset by this decision.

I won't add something more about what my fellow french posters had said except that there is obviously a conflict of interests between spurs organization (fans included) and french NT (spurs fans included). Unless spurs fans on this board try to understand and respect the NT spirit, in a general way, for every sport and every country (only sport, no money/business involved, which is, in my opinion the summit of high level sport) there is no point to start an argument. Some posters do and some don't.

Obviously, Walton Buys Off Me, you don't. Bruno has asked if a french NT thread could interest someone, and as TP and De Colo were involved, a lot of people were interested. Now that we're in the middle of it, your kind of post is, to say the least, worthless.

[Slippy]

Glad to see the confirmation that tony's injury is nothing serious. Spurs took the extra cautious approach and Tony gets back to playing for France in a week. Looks to me like the Spurs appreciate the way Tony handled it like a pro even if he didn't agree. Tony's always showen a maturity and level headedness for guy with huge fame. He knows the spurs have his best interests more-so after the history with Manu. Can't see him making it a bigger issue.

[benefactor]

Throwing around BS ? :lol

French NT GM said himself that Parker was hurt by what Holt said to him. Parker said himself that he regretted what happened.
Who should I believe: someone that talked to Parker and Parker or you who is talking from your ass?

He might have been upset...I have already said that. What you keep ignoring is that there were probably other events that happened after that point. You act like Parker is some sort of child and will continue to pout about this...when the reality is that these are grown men that have known each other for a very long time. People like that sit down, discuss things and come to an understanding.


And how many times Spurs put a quote from RC, Pop or someone else in their official press release? Maybe 1% of them are with a quote...
Like it or not but the fact that Spurs put a quote form RC to say thank you to TP in their official news means something.

It does means something. It means that they understand where Parker is coming from and they respect him. They want him to know that they are concerned about the things that he feels are important. Families who care about each other do things like this. I guess where you are from families have to kiss each others ass to keep the other party happy.


You're free to "stand by what you said", I will go with the interpretation that is based on reliable reports. Stay in your fairy tail world, I'm in the real one where all things point in the direction that there is/was a quarrel between Spurs and Parker.
There may have been a quarrel for a short moment, but I seriously doubt that one conversation between Holt and Parker created some sort of permanent rift. If you step back and consider all the circumstances and assume Parker is a rational, mature adult, then its pretty easy to come to the conclusion that they talked it out like adults and everything is now water under the bridge.

[urunobili]

was it this game?

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nice... Bellinelli and Bargnani will not have a nice welcome in Toronto this time around... :stirpot:

[Alain]

If my employee gets injured while on vacation, he keeps the job.
If he/she gets injured while playing for another organization in an irrelevant game while I am paying him/her, he gets fired immediately.

Ok, that's your point. But I've heard there are rules and agreements between FIBA and NBA. My question was: if Tony refused to fly back to San Antonio, would he possibly had to endure an official sanction?
In other words: who's got leverage on who? While it's not french NT or (of course) Tony's best interest to upset the Spurs or whatever NBA team, should they keep low profile indefinitely and finaly play with a roster of french league scrubs and juniors?

Millions or not, there are rules! If I understand well, it's up to the player to decide if he wants to play for his NT. It's a bit strange to see the same people going by laws and rules when it's their interest and then saying rules are unfair because Spurs pay Tony 12 millions.
How hard is it to admit that a few things have nothing to do with money? After all, NT competitions are a soft substitute to war (see: ancient greeks olympics, cold war, etc....) and I guess that Tony is apt and could be called back in case of... millions or not.

[Bruno]

There may have been a quarrel for a short moment, but I seriously doubt that one conversation between Holt and Parker created some sort of permanent rift. If you step back and consider all the circumstances and assume Parker is a rational, mature adult, then its pretty easy to come to the conclusion that they talked it out like adults and everything is now water under the bridge.

Both Spurs' and Parker's interest is to to keep a good relationship between them. I expect the situation to calm down and everybody coming with a "it was nothign serious" attitude.

Long term consequences will depend on FNT results. If FNT doesn't qualify and Parker thinks that Spurs calling him back was a reason why they didn't qualify, it will have long term consequences. In the other cases, this story won't be a big deal.

[Bruno]

Ok, that's your point. But I've heard there are rules and agreements between FIBA and NBA. My question was: if Tony refused to fly back to San Antonio, would he possibly had to endure an official sanction?
In other words: who's got leverage on who? While it's not french NT or (of course) Tony's best interest to upset the Spurs or whatever NBA team, should they keep low profile indefinitely and finaly play with a roster of french league scrubs and juniors?

Tony could have said that he stayed in France without bad consequences rules-wise.

Rules are that NBA teams can't forbid players to play for their NT. They aren't even allowed to say to one of their players that they don't want him to play for his NT. Spurs have sbeen warned one time by the NBA for not respecting these rules with Manu.

[Bruno]

http://www.rmc.fr/edito/sport/85505/tp-retrouve-les-bleus-jeudi/

Parker will left SA Wednesday.

[Bambililos]

Parker has a mild injury and he's doing everything he's told rehab-wise, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to fly back on Wednesday.
The Spurs can send whoever they wish with him to reassure themselves, but Tony will be fine.

And I hope this whole thing won't be too bad for the NT. (I already know it's nothing serious for the Spurs either, otherwise I would be more concerned).

[ohmwrecker]

I think this thread is more serious than any rift between R.C. and Tony. Sounds like a small misunderstanding of intent on Tony's part and a slight (understandable) mistrust of the NT staff on R.C.'s part. At any rate, it's over. Let it go.

[Bruno]

He will leave when the team doctors say he is ready to leave.

:rolleyes

Tony leaving SA Wednesday isn't a guess but an info coming from France NT GM.
Even if you have some inside source, i do think he is more in the know than you.

[bigfan]

I could really care less if the people of France, his team over there or even Tony is pissed. He's an adult and getting good bucks to play for the Spurs and they have invested in him personally. Im sure this is more ginned up by the papers than anything else regardless.

[Interrohater]

Tony could have said that he stayed in France without bad consequences rules-wise.

Rules are that NBA teams can't forbid players to play for their NT. They aren't even allowed to say to one of their players that they don't want him to play for his NT. Spurs have sbeen warned one time by the NBA for not respecting these rules with Manu.
I think this is probably the most valid point out of all of these posts. You guys have to understand that while we're all homers and want a championship to come back to SA, he's a homer too and wants a championship to go back to France. If they don't qual, there absolutely will be feelings of mistrust and blame in Tony's heart.

Another point that I think a lot of people are forgetting is that his wife is a hardcore homer too. She was born in Corpus Christi and has been a Spurs fan all her life. She has more influence on him than anybody in these forums and I guarantee you that she's helping him to understand why the Spurs are doing what they're doing. Hopefully she does a good enough job wherein they can all move past this.

[bonesinaz]

[QUOTE=

I love the Spurs but they're really annoying right now.
Yeah, they're the ones paying TP to play DURING THE REGULAR SEASON AND PLAYOFFS. Right now TP is on vacation and may do what he pleases. Does your boss call you during summer vacation to check on you? Does he urge you to come to the office IMMEDIATELY?[/QUOTE]

Just because TP is on vacation does not mean he can do as he pleases. If you have ever paid attention to the Spurs and their organization, you would know that what a player does off the NBA court matters as much as what he does on the court. Think back to AD, for example.

The second factor has been mentioned previously; that an NBA player's body and health are subject to team decisions and the team's best interest.

[Interrohater]

I could really care less if the people of France, his team over there or even Tony is pissed. He's an adult and getting good bucks to play for the Spurs and they have invested in him personally. Im sure this is more ginned up by the papers than anything else regardless.
Right, because professional basketball players are robots and u put a dollar in them, and they make a play. Like a basketball vending machine.

What a stupid thing to say. In every walk of life, in every situation, you have to account for human emotion. We talk a lot about playing the game "with heart", yet, here you are saying the heart doesn't matter. If, for some reason, Tony's heart is not in the game when he plays with the Spurs because of an incident, you will definitely see a drop in play, or productivity. Don't be so blind, emotion plays an incredible role. Why did Pat Tillman give up his NFL career for the insanely sorry pay of an Army Specialist?

[temujin]

was it this game?

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Abolutely.

As I said, ready to play.

Bring on the next.

[temujin]

nice... Bellinelli and Bargnani will not have a nice welcome in Toronto this time around... :stirpot:

Italians owns the business in Toronto.

They'll do whatever they wish.
Witness the $50 millions they gave to a fluke like Bargnani.

[temujin]

Ok, that's your point. But I've heard there are rules and agreements between FIBA and NBA. My question was: if Tony refused to fly back to San Antonio, would he possibly had to endure an official sanction?
In other words: who's got leverage on who? While it's not french NT or (of course) Tony's best interest to upset the Spurs or whatever NBA team, should they keep low profile indefinitely and finaly play with a roster of french league scrubs and juniors?

Millions or not, there are rules! If I understand well, it's up to the player to decide if he wants to play for his NT. It's a bit strange to see the same people going by laws and rules when it's their interest and then saying rules are unfair because Spurs pay Tony 12 millions.
How hard is it to admit that a few things have nothing to do with money? After all, NT competitions are a soft substitute to war (see: ancient greeks olympics, cold war, etc....) and I guess that Tony is apt and could be called back in case of... millions or not.

A qualifying game for an Euro tournament is not war.
It's totally irrelevant.
France has ZERO possibilities to even make the semis in the Euro.

With or without Parker.

He knows that, they know that, Spurs know that, the whole world knows that.

[Man In Black]

The tension is only in the now. TP will focus on the next thing once the season starts. He isn't one to dwell. I wish Team FRA good luck against ITA. Once would hope that Les Bleus would man up and beat Italy.

I was checking out that team roster using Eurobasket.com
Boris Diaw, Rony Turiaf, Mickael Pietrus, Joakim Noah and other players who have both NT and NBA experience can win one game without TP. Let's hope they have the fire to do so.

[xapatan2]

Hi to everyone, everything Bruno wrote Is just plain truth and based on facts and reliable sources.
So, Tony Is really really pissed. And it is not a childish reaction : sure he and the french NT lost time but the way Holt 'ordered' his coming back to SA Is giving the impression to not be trusted and to be treated like a child.
I understand the spurs, i would have prefered they behaved exactly this way last year with Manu.
Sometimes trying, as an NT, to be honest and to give all the information is not paying back thé way it should.
As some said, if french NT qualifies for the european, this would be a dead story for everyone ...
If they don't with the Game of wednesday against Italy playing a role in it, well thé damages could be very very much deaper than many of you are thinking...
let's hope we qualify, for everyone !
Xap '

[timaios]

The tension is only in the now. TP will focus on the next thing once the season starts. He isn't one to dwell. I wish Team FRA good luck against ITA. Once would hope that Les Bleus would man up and beat Italy.

I was checking out that team roster using Eurobasket.com
Boris Diaw, Rony Turiaf, Mickael Pietrus, Joakim Noah and other players who have both NT and NBA experience can win one game without TP. Let's hope they have the fire to do so.

Mickael Pietrus & Joakim Noah are not with the French NT because of their clubs ! :depressed

[timaios]

A qualifying game for an Euro tournament is not war.
It's totally irrelevant.
France has ZERO possibilities to even make the semis in the Euro.

With or without Parker.

He knows that, they know that, Spurs know that, the whole world knows that.

1st : you're wrong.
2nd : the 6 best teams of the EURO 2009 will be qualified for the 2010 World Championship.

[spursfan09]

Let me try to get one thing straight...

The Italy game Tony is going to miss because he had to fly back to San Antonio, is the same game he was going to miss anyway because of his ankle injury right?

Since he is injured he shouldn't be playing at all right? It will most likely get worse if he doesn't do the proper rehab?

Oh and PS,

If TP is really pissed off about this and he thinks that this ruined his relationship with the Spurs, fans, city etc, then it wasn't much of a relationship to begin with.

[xapatan2]

First, Tony could have played on wednesday, given a classic rehab process avoiding a transatlantic trip for NOTHING.
second, well, on his part he has done everything and gave all he had to the spurs nation... Point Is : Is he really having the respect in return ?
Whatever, That was a stupid tale to bring him back, even if understandable.
Just hope the french NT Is paying totally the stupidity of this take.
Xap

[Mel_13]

If this is true:


Tony could have said that he stayed in France without bad consequences rules-wise.

Rules are that NBA teams can't forbid players to play for their NT. They aren't even allowed to say to one of their players that they don't want him to play for his NT. Spurs have sbeen warned one time by the NBA for not respecting these rules with Manu.

Then this will never be a concern:


If FNT doesn't qualify and Parker thinks that Spurs calling him back was a reason why they didn't qualify, it will have long term consequences.

And this cannot be true:


Mickael Pietrus & Joakim Noah are not with the French NT because of their clubs ! :depressed

If the teams cannot forbid participation, then the NBA players that are not playing are doing so by choice.

[spursfan09]

It doesn't matter anyway

He's probably going to further injure himself anyway, and people like my boyfriend who paid for season tickets are going to be the ones who suffer the consequences.

Spurs making TP coming back = a little taste of what if feels like to Spurs and thier fans, when he can't play because of his commitment to that other team, and we lose a chance at winning a championship.

[temujin]

1st : you're wrong.
2nd : the 6 best teams of the EURO 2009 will be qualified for the 2010 World Championship.



Great.

France is aiming at sixth place (with Parker).

Big deal.

To qualify for another tournement.

Where they will have an even lesser role.

Bigger deal.

[EricB]

Yes, lets shit our season so Parker can go play in a bullshit tournament in bangladesh (no offense to the bangladeshians)

Fucking shit...

[Bruno]

If the teams cannot forbid participation, then the NBA players that are not playing are doing so by choice.

NBA teams simply don't respect the rule.

[ducks]

NBA teams simply don't respect the rule.

I think it should be a rule they can not play
I think all pros should not be allowed to play for any other team then the team they have their nba contract with

but is against the rules :bang
but I think french giving the spurs 300 pictures and spurs not believing tp is stupid

[EricB]

NBA teams simply don't respect the rule.

If I was paying a player 15 million a year I wouldn't respect the stupid ass fucking retarded rule either.

The one of few times I'm in full agreement with Mark Cuban on an issue.

[Bambililos]

The tension is only in the now. TP will focus on the next thing once the season starts. He isn't one to dwell. I wish Team FRA good luck against ITA. Once would hope that Les Bleus would man up and beat Italy.

I was checking out that team roster using Eurobasket.com
Boris Diaw, Rony Turiaf, Mickael Pietrus, Joakim Noah and other players who have both NT and NBA experience can win one game without TP. Let's hope they have the fire to do so.
Mickael Pietrus ans Joakim Noah are both in the US right now: Pietrus has to heal a bad wrist and Noah doesn't know how to say no to the Bulls.
Turiaf is a little bit hurt and isn't good right now.

I think it is still possible that France beat Italy but it sure isn't easy without the best players, you know?

[timvp]

you say completely false things about tp first injury (finger). facts are facts and timvp is just lying about that.

:violin

Okay, give me the facts. All I've said is TP broke his finger. The French NT wanted him to keep playing. Pop called and ordered TP to stop playing and come back to San Antonio.

Which part of that is a lie? Or is your ultimate French homerness blinding you like usual?

[kace]

:violin

Okay, give me the facts. All I've said is TP broke his finger. The French NT wanted him to keep playing. Pop called and ordered TP to stop playing and come back to San Antonio.

Which part of that is a lie? Or is your ultimate French homerness blinding you like usual?

you said that the french staff was intending to play him risking worsening it.

i say it wasn't a big injury. i say that the french medical staff knew what they did (or would have done). and i know that TP would have play without a doubt through it if it happened during the PO with the spurs.

That proves that the spurs don't give a fuck about the NT. you can agree, but that has nothing to do with TP health being in danger with the french NT. not then and not now.

[EricB]

Please trust me on this, I am going to a source as close to Tony Parker as possible. I'm not saying he will not be out of town by Wed, but this source is close to TP.

:lol

I love how when you have a nice source, dumbfucks love to say "SAY YOUR SOURCE!"

Well, if you say the source, then you have no source.

Its best just not to share the info anymore. I've learned my lesson.

[Bruno]

:violin

Okay, give me the facts. All I've said is TP broke his finger. The French NT wanted him to keep playing. Pop called and ordered TP to stop playing and come back to San Antonio.

Which part of that is a lie? Or is your ultimate French homerness blinding you like usual?

The bold part is a lie, timvppp.

[Bruno]

Please trust me on this, I am going to a source as close to Tony Parker as possible. I'm not saying he will not be out of town by Wed, but this source is close to TP.

Well, French NT staff is reporting that Parker called them Saturday evening to say that he had the green light to come back. They are even saying things as precise as that he will be early in the evening in Pau (french town where the NT will play against Finland). So I guess they even know what flights Tony will take.

The info about leaving SA on Wednesday come from Tony so I guess it's reliable.

[Kori Ellis]

Well, French NT staff is reporting that Parker called them Saturday evening to say that he had the green light to come back. They are even saying things as precise as that he will be early in the evening in Pau (french town where the NT will play against Finland). So I guess they even know what flights Tony will take.

The info about leaving SA on Wednesday come from Tony so I guess it's reliable.

Who is writing it in L'Equipe? Olivier? If so, he's one of Tony's close friends so he probably knows the scoop.

[kace]

Please trust me on this, I am going to a source as close to Tony Parker as possible. I'm not saying he will not be out of town by Wed, but this source is close to TP.

do you mean thursday instead of wednesday (which is the same thing more or less) or way after ?

because not only the info comes from the french NT staff, but from TP himself who called the manager.

Either they're lying (but since french media do that, why not french staff after all), either TP will have another very bad surprise from the spurs FO till wednesday. but right now, TP surely knows he's coming back soon. (thursday afternoon).

http://www.eurosport.fr/basketball/parker-de-retour-jeudi_sto2020697/flashnews.shtml

[timvp]

you said that the french staff was intending to play him risking worsening it.

And that's true. Were you even a basketball fan back then?


i say it wasn't a big injury. i say that the french medical staff knew what they did (or would have done).It wasn't a big injury? He had a cracked bone in his finger and his finger is still crooked to this day. If he would have been hit again before it healed, he would have been out for months.


and i know that TP would have play without a doubt through it if it happened during the PO with the spurs.Not for sure. But it is for sure that he would have missed regular season games. And those NT games were equivalent to regular season.


That proves that the spurs don't give a fuck about the NT. you can agree, but that has nothing to do with TP health being in danger with the french NT. not then and not now.Yes, his health was in danger. He was one hit away from missing the first few months of the NBA regular season. When he came back to San Antonio, they put him in a cast right away.

You can say the Spurs don't GAF about the NT, but that's just as true as saying the NT doesn't GAF about the Spurs. It's a two-way street for those who are looking at it without a homer view involved.

[EricB]

All I can say is that this guy knows whats going on with Tony better than some newspaper.

Oh I know your stuff is good my friend, just venting a tad :lol

[kace]

Who is writing it in L'Equipe? Olivier? If so, he's one of Tony's close friends so he probably knows the scoop.

Xavier Colombani

[Kori Ellis]

He is a french reporter who follows the Spurs and Tony durring the season. nice guy.

Yeah Olivier is a good friend of mine. I don't need you to tell me who he is :lol

[Bruno]

Who is writing it in L'Equipe? Olivier? If so, he's one of Tony's close friends so he probably knows the scoop.

The info doesn't come from L'Equipe but from Patrick Beesley who is French NT GM. It's a direct quote from him saying that TP called him to say he will leave SA on Wednesday.

[Kori Ellis]

The info doesn't come from L'Equipe but from Patrick Beesley who is French NT GM. It's a direct quote from him saying that TP called him to say he will leave SA on Wednesday.

Then (unless he's just making things up) Tony probably has his flight already.

[timvp]

The info doesn't come from L'Equipe but from Patrick Beesley who is French NT GM. It's a direct quote from him saying that TP called him to say he will leave SA on Wednesday.

Patrick Beesley sounds American. Maybe he is a double agent :stirpot:

[kace]

You can say the Spurs don't GAF about the NT, but that's just as true as saying the NT doesn't GAF about the Spurs. It's a two-way street for those who are looking at it without a homer view involved.

please, be serious. when did the spurs prevent tony to play for the spurs. do you imagine them asking him to come back to france because of an injury he had with the spurs ?

i know the spurs are paying him, but still, you can't put spurs and france NT behaviour in the same level.

what did the spurs would have done if the french medical staff did the same thing to mahinmi the spurs one did ? They would immediately prevent any spurs player to play with the french NT.

i can understand the spurs being extra cautious. but on this one, they could have sent more medical staff members in France to see him without calling him back.

[Kori Ellis]

My bad, I thought you said who is the writer.

I asked who (meaning which writer) was writing it (this particular news) in L'Equipe.

[EricB]

i can understand the spurs being extra cautious. but on this one, they could have sent more medical staff members in France to see him without calling him back.

why the hell should they pay their guys to do that when he got hurt on bullshit NT time?

[Kori Ellis]

This whole thing is so much more of a big deal to people in this thread than it is to Tony or the Spurs :lol

He got injured. The Spurs were worried about what was on the x-ray/MRI. They called him to back. Tony was initially upset because he thought the injury was nothing. He came to SA, got checked out and is going back to France.

You can't blame Tony/NT for being initially upset. You can't blame the Spurs for wanting to take a look at him, considering how much they have invested in this season. Tony understands that by now. This isn't something that is going to have an effect on anything in the future, so I don't get why fans are so riled on either side.

[timvp]

please, be serious. when did the spurs prevent tony to play for the spurs. do you imagine them asking him to come back to france because of an injury he had with the spurs ?The hell?


i know the spurs are paying him, but still, you can't put spurs and france NT behaviour in the same level.The NT doesn't care about the Spurs. The Spurs don't care about the NT. That's pretty much fact.


what did the spurs would have done if the french medical staff did the same thing to mahinmi the spurs one did ? They would immediately prevent any spurs player to play with the french NT.Now you are just talking crazy. I didn't say both entities were equal in their action. But if the French NT was the one paying salary and the Spurs weren't, you can bet your azz that the roles would at the very least be reversed.


i can understand the spurs being extra cautious. but on this one, they could have sent more medical staff members in France to see him without calling him back.The only way to get a 100% accurate reading without any chance that the NT was fiddling with the results was to send him to SA. If the NT had a history of having TP's long-term health in mind, then the Spurs probably could have trusted their word and their machines. But that trust doesn't exist.



And I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I lied about the finger situation. Seems like you were the liar, pal.

[kace]

And I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I lied about the finger situation. Seems like you were the liar, pal.

you're taking your own suppositions like if they were facts. and repeating them again and again won't ever make them facts.

and the liar thing (sorry if it sounded harsh) was also for your whole post. yes, the inury was the same as the french mediacal staff found and yes TP was really upset/angry about the spurs behaviour.

i know you're consitent on this topic spurs-NT because i think i remember a thread where you said you were against spurs player playing in NT (or maybe outside Olympics, not sure).

but still the NT is very important for many bball fans, even if there is no money involved.

[Tully365]

:wakeup A lot of discussion about a mild ankle sprain.

You'd think Parker had extremely thin ACLs that got him red flagged by 29 team doctors or something. :lol

[kace]

:wakeup A lot of discussion about a mild ankle sprain.


that's exactly the heart of the topic. why make him coming back, with flight hours, in obviously a harsh way, for a minor injury, during a very important tournament for France NT. that sounds disrespectful to the player and the NT.

if the spurs called him back for a serious injury during meaningless games (and the ones that the NT will face aren't), no one would be arguing.

[EricB]

you're taking your own suppositions like if they were facts. and repeating them again and again won't ever make them facts.

and the liar thing (sorry if it sounded harsh) was also for your whole post. yes, the inury was the same as the french mediacal staff found and yes TP was really upset/angry about the spurs behaviour.

i know you're consitent on this topic spurs-NT because i think i remember a thread where you said you were against spurs player playing in NT (or maybe outside Olympics, not sure).

but still the NT is very important for many bball fans, even if there is no money involved.


address the goddamn point.

The french team was willing to play him with a broken damn finger.

You keep avoiding the GD point.

[EricB]

that's exactly the heart of the topic. why make him coming back, with flight hours, in obviously a harsh way, for a minor injury, during a very important tournament for France NT. that sounds disrespectful to the player and the NT.

if the spurs called him back for a serious injury during meaningless games (and the ones that the NT will face aren't), no one would be arguing.


Because the Spurs have 12 million invested in him and 90 million into adamn team thats got 3 to 4 years left in a window.

Screw the goddamn national team.

[kace]

address the goddamn point.

The french team was willing to play him with a broken damn finger.

You keep avoiding the GD point.

prove me that they would have played him and increase his injury. suppositions.

[kace]

Because the Spurs have 12 million invested in him and 90 million into adamn team thats got 3 to 4 years left in a window.

Screw the goddamn national team.

i'm a fan. i don't give a fuck about the millions the spurs are giving him.
and i understand spurs point of view, i just disagree.

[Bruno]

What happened with Parker's finger is that Tony wanted to play through it.
French NT medical staff gives him the green light to do some tries with a splint during a practice. All the rest are lies.

Proof of what I said: http://www.basketfrance.com/actu/actu.php?id=2514

[EricB]

i'm a fan. i don't give a fuck about the millions the spurs are giving him.
and i understand spurs point of view, i just disagree.


You can disagree all you want, your still fucking wrong.

I'm a fan that is invested in the goddamn team as well and think the National team is a goddamn selfish bunch of Aholes with NO financial investment at all that has ZERO business being pissed about ANYTHING.

[EricB]

What happened with Parker's finger is that Tony wanted to play through it.
French NT medical staff gives him the green light to do some tries with a splint during a practice. All the rest are lies.

Proof of what I said: http://www.basketfrance.com/actu/actu.php?id=2514


So he French team allowed him to do basketball activities and would've let him play.

Thanks for the link proving it.

[Bambililos]

You can disagree all you want, your still fucking wrong.

I'm a fan that is invested in the goddamn team as well and think the National team is a goddamn selfish bunch of Aholes with NO financial investment at all that has ZERO business being pissed about ANYTHING.
Paying millions doesn't prevent you from being an "Ahole".

Sport is about competition, not millions. I love the NBA, I love the Spurs, but they're not more important from a basketball point of view than an international competition.
Now I understand that paying millions, they got a lot of pressure to throw at their players. That's a shame.

[Bruno]

So he French team allowed him to do basketball activities and would've let him play.

Thanks for the link proving it.

If you don't see the difference between playing a high-level game and doing some tries with a splint during a practice, I can do nothing for you.

[kace]

So he French team allowed him to do basketball activities and would've let him play.

Thanks for the link proving it.

yep, they would have tried. what proves you it would be aggravated ? he would have tried too if it was the PO. i don't see any reason to think he would have play more than reasonably, without putting his health in danger.

you're assuming the french medical staff don't know his job.

edit: and all this because of tiago splitter jersey :bang

[kace]

If you don't see the difference between playing a high-level game and doing some tries with a splint during a practice, I can do nothing for you.

well, i'm with you on this topic.

but IIRC and to be honest, i think TP and the french staff were OK for trying to play him against argentina in an official game, the first one of the french NT.

[Bruno]

but IIRC and to be honest, i think TP and the french staff were OK for trying to play him against argentina in an official game, the first one of the french NT.

No.
Parker made some tries and results were negative (he couldn't even palm the ball). Shortly after the practice Spurs, Parker and the NT had a phone meeting where it was decided that Parker was out for the competition.

What would have happened if tries were positive and Parker was able to play with a splint ? We will never know and it's all speculations.

[kace]

No.
Parker made some tries and results were negative (he couldn't even palm the ball). Shortly after the practice Spurs, Parker and the NT had a phone meeting where it was decided that Parker was out for the competition.

What would have happened if tries were positive and Parker was able to play with a splint ? We will never know and it's all speculations.

OK. that's not what i remembered and not what this link says (two days after yours)http://www.lavoixdessports.com/fr/folders/mondialbasket/articles/060818parker.phtml

but if true, it's again safer to say that the french medical staff was cautious and reasonable.

[Mel_13]

NBA teams simply don't respect the rule.

Which doesn't change my point at all. If the rule exists, then the club team would have no recourse if the player decided to play for the NT. If the rule exists, then the players that are not participating are doing so by choice.

[Obstructed_View]

Pro basketball players shouldn't play for national teams. Period.

[Bruno]

Which doesn't change my point at all. If the rule exists, then the club team would have no recourse if the player decided to play for the NT. If the rule exists, then the players that are not participating are doing so by choice.

First, this rule does exist:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2860561&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

Second, what you are saying is in theory, not in fact.
You are an international basketball player and your franchise don't want that you play for your NT. What are your choices? Starting a conflict with your franchise and playing or following their wish and not playing.
When you are a young player or a marginal NBA player, you don't have the luxury to start a conflict with your franchise. If you start to have bad relationships with your franchise, you're done.

[DPG21920]

But TP is not marginal. He is a finals MVP.

[Bruno]

But TP is not marginal. He is a finals MVP.

And ?

[DPG21920]

and?


Starting a conflict with your franchise and playing or following their wish and not playing.
When you are a young player or a marginal NBA player, you don't have the luxury to start a conflict with your franchise. If you start to have bad relationships with your franchise, you're done.


What conflict? Like you said, if you are a marginal player it might hurt you, but we are talking about TP. Not some marginal player. There would be no conflict. There is no rule saying the Spurs can keep him from playing.

So if it was not serious, then he could have stayed and there would not be a problem. He is the franchise moving forward and it is not like the Spurs front office would have punished him.

[Bruno]

So if it was not serious, then he could have stayed and there would not be a problem. He is the franchise moving forward and it is not like the Spurs front office would have punished him.

I don't get your logic.

The fact that marginal players can't afford a conflict with their team doesn't mean that non-marginal players have no problem at creating conflicts with their team.

[Mel_13]

First, this rule does exist:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2860561&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

Second, what you are saying is in theory, not in fact.
You are an international basketball player and your franchise don't want that you play for your NT. What are your choices? Starting a conflict with your franchise and playing or following their wish and not playing.
When you are a young player or a marginal NBA player, you don't have the luxury to start a conflict with your franchise. If you start to have bad relationships with your franchise, you're done.

Of course the rule exists. I was framing my point in the form of an if/then statement.

The part of your reply that I have bolded brings up at least two points.

First, given that the rule does exist, why has the reporting out of France been framed as if it did not? The L'equipe article was headlined "Parker le prisonnier" and many references were made to "orders" from the Spurs. Given that the rule exists, no "orders" could be issued and Parker was not a prisoner. He chose to comply with the team's request, he did not follow an order.

Second, much has been made in this discussion (not necessarily by you, Bruno) about the Spurs putting their financial interests ahead of this international competition. Yet, by your logic, the player should not be expected to risk his financial interests in order to play for his NT. Why don't these players put national pride ahead of financial gain?

[DPG21920]

I don't get your logic.

The fact that marginal players can't afford a conflict with their team doesn't mean that non-marginal players have no problem at creating conflicts with their team.

Again, I ask what conflict? It is not like TP was breaking any rules if he decided to stay and listen to the French doctors, how could there be a "conflict" to the magnitude of which you describe?

What would the Spurs have done to TP if he did not come back?

[Bruno]

First, given that the rule does exist, why has the reporting out of France been framed as if it did not? The L'equipe article was headlined "Parker le prisonnier" and many references were made to "orders" from the Spurs. Given that the rule exists, no "orders" could be issued and Parker was not a prisoner. He chose to comply with the team's request, he did not follow an order.

First, I disagree with the prisoner title.
Now, Parker himself used the world "order". Now Spurs put a lot pressure on Parker with Holt himself saying Parker to come back.
Parker had the right to say "Fuck you, Holt, I'm staying in France". Was it a realistic and smart option? No.



Second, much has been made in this discussion (not necessarily by you, Bruno) about the Spurs putting their financial interests ahead of this international competition. Yet, by your logic, the player should not be expected to risk his financial interests in order to play for his NT. Why don't these players put national pride ahead of financial gain?

Well, it's a personal choice. A player like Garbajosa put national pride over financial gain and went in open conflict with Raptors despite beign a marginal player.
And the NBA for most of the players is also a dream, there are more than just the financial aspect of it.

[Bruno]

Again, I ask what conflict? It is not like TP was breaking any rules if he decided to stay and listen to the French doctors, how could there be a "conflict" to the magnitude of which you describe?

What would the Spurs have done to TP if he did not come back?

It's sure that TP saying fuck you to the whole Spurs organization wouldn't have break something in his relationship with Spurs...
TP spend months with Spurs, it's in his interest that he spend that time in a good mood.

[ducks]

if it is ok for the top 8 players to play for their countries why not the rest of them

if the 13 guy can play then the other ones should be allowed to


oh and duncan and manu played for their countries so if tp can not
according to your logic it is because he is the best on the team

[DPG21920]

It's sure that TP saying fuck you to the whole Spurs organization wouldn't have break something in his relationship with Spurs...
TP spend months with Spurs, it's in his interest that he spend that time in a good mood.

But on the reverse side, the Spurs seemed to think it was ok to say "fuck you" to TP? Is not the relationship mutual?

To be conflict there has to be effects on both ends. If the Spurs make TP come back against his will or wishes, you said he "might not re-sign because of it". That would be an effect.

If TP says I will not come back, the Spurs will not punish him at all. Unless he gets hurt, like Manu. He would still get an offer and play all the minutes and be the new franchise player.

[Freeze]

French Staf knows that NBA teams are more than reluctent to allow their players to play for their countries during summers, despite the NBA/FIBA rules. As many French players plays in NBA, they are willing to do almost anything to maintain the best relationships as possible with them.
Best example is Noah.
French NT needs him, he wanted to stay, but Chicago wanted him to builk up this summer. So Noah left France after 2 weeks and came back to Chicago. Now Bulls' GM is saying that is Noah's choice. It's not true, but he knows he can't say anything else because of the rule. France can't do anything because they want to please the Bulls wishing to be able to get Noah for the next years. And Noah needs to please his team to get a bigger role in the Franchise, and get an extention next year.

In fact, going against the Franchise will could be more prejudiciable for the players than for the French NT.

[Freeze]

But on the reverse side, the Spurs seemed to think it was ok to say "fuck you" to TP? Is not the relationship mutual?

To be conflict there has to be effects on both ends. If the Spurs make TP come back against his will or wishes, you said he "might not re-sign because of it". That would be an effect.

If TP says I will not come back, the Spurs will not punish him at all. Unless he gets hurt, like Manu. He would still get an offer and play all the minutes and be the new franchise player.

Don't forget Ian is already a Spur, and Nando may soon be one as well.

French NT staff is in need of good relationships with Spurs.

[Mel_13]

First, I disagree with the prisoner title.
Now, Parker himself used the world "order". Now Spurs put a lot pressure on Parker with Holt himself saying Parker to come back.
Parker had the right to say "Fuck you, Holt, I'm staying in France". Was it a realistic and smart option? No.



Well, it's a personal choice. A player like Garbajosa put national pride over financial gain and went in open conflict with Raptors despite beign a marginal player.
And the NBA for most of the players is also a dream, there are more than just the financial aspect of it.

I'm not sure how much we disagree on this. We both acknowledge that in these cases the player makes the final decision.

The system as it currently exists is, at the very least, problematic for the club teams. The normal risks associated with all international tournaments fall disproportionately on the club teams. Especially teams with star players on long-term guaranteed contracts. Even more so a team like the Spurs with multiple star players on long-term deals. The subject was addressed at the NBA meetings before the 2008-09 season, but no changes were made.

http://www.reuters.com/article/olympicsNews/idUSSP37113520081023

Going forward, it would seem that some compromise to limit risk to the club teams should be possible.

[timaios]

A qualifying game for an Euro tournament is not war.
It's totally irrelevant.
France has ZERO possibilities to even make the semis in the Euro.

With or without Parker.

He knows that, they know that, Spurs know that, the whole world knows that.

France record since 1999 :

1999 European Championship : 4th place.
2000 Olympic Games : 2nd (Silver medal).
2001 European Championship : 6th place.
2003 European Championship : 4th place.
2005 European Championship : 3rd place.
2006 FIBA World Championship : 5th place.

The last 3-4 years, the French NT can't play with his best players, because the NBA clubs... well, you know. :bang

And then, there's guys like you who have never watched a French NT game, and they say : French NT sucks !

It's not true, this is a great generation and with all his best players, that team could be terrific.

[Bruno]

But on the reverse side, the Spurs seemed to think it was ok to say "fuck you" to TP? Is not the relationship mutual?

Every relationship is made of compromise.

Parker has played for five consecutive years with his NT despite Spurs not liking it. Spurs have dealt with that. They weren't ready with the compromise of him staying in France, so they put pressure on him.



If TP says I will not come back, the Spurs will not punish him at all. Unless he gets hurt, like Manu. He would still get an offer and play all the minutes and be the new franchise player.

Once again, TP don't live on a island. He has a relationship with the team. He has something to loose.

[ducks]

you know
sometimes in a relationship you have to compromise

if you do not like in a husband and wife relationship
you will not get laid

[timvp]

What happened with Parker's finger is that Tony wanted to play through it.
French NT medical staff gives him the green light to do some tries with a splint during a practice. All the rest are lies.

What is with you pulling the "lies" card? You are turning into a combination of kace and KBP.

I'm not going to call you a liar but I will say what I quoted above is inaccurate. Don't believe me? Here's information straight from Parker:


Parker said French officials wanted him to try to play with a cast on his finger. Parker was open to the idea until he tried practicing and struggled to shoot. His finger, he said, hurt considerably.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48636


Exactly what I said. The French NT tried to push Parker into playing with a broken f'kn finger. Parker only tried to play because the NT was pushing him. It wasn't until Pop called and cussed out everyone who has ever played French basketball did the NT drop the issue and let Parker go back to San Antonio.

I know this will make Bruno/kace/KBP call me a liar but all I offer are facts straight from Parker himself.



Parker said X-rays taken Monday during an examination by Spurs doctors revealed that the bone had shifted some since his finger was initially X-rayed in Japan late last week. Parker will have to wear a splint on the finger for at least four weeks to keep it immobilized.

Spurs physician David Schmidt "told me if I get hit again on the finger, I'll probably need surgery," Parker said.

Cleveland guard Larry Hughes was sidelined for three months last season after having surgery to repair his broken right middle finger.

So the French NT wanted Parker to play with a broken finger that had actually gotten worse. And BTW, the French NT originally classified it as a jammed finger, then a sprained finger and then finally a broken finger. But the broken finger diagnosis didn't stop the NT from trying to force Parker to play.

And here's some proof you can't always believe what we read in the French media:


In an interview with France's sports daily, "L'Equipe," last week, Parker was quoted as saying he decided not to play, in part, because he was fearful the Spurs would prevent their 2005 first-round pick, Ian Mahinmi, from competing for the French national team in the future.

Spurs officials "were shouting at me: 'TP you are crazy. You are not being reasonable. You can't play with a broken finger!'" Parker said in the interview. "Had I played they could really have got on the back of the French national team, not just me, but as regards to Ian Mahinmi, for example, as well."

Parker said Tuesday he didn't mention Mahinmi and was only trying to express the importance of maintaining a good relationship between Spurs officials and France's national team.

So Parker himself basically said L'Equipe lied and misquoted him. kace owes an apology to someone in this thread. And Bruno/kace/KBP can now admit what I've said all along about Parker's finger is fact.

Thanks.

[timvp]

/thread

[Bruno]

I'm not sure how much we disagree on this. We both acknowledge that in these cases the player makes the final decision.

Well, if you acknowledge that franchise also have an impact on what the player choice, we agree.

The whole NT thing fall into a gray zone with NBA teams violating rules without being sanctioned. Rules needs to be changed and strictly applied.



The system as it currently exists is, at the very least, problematic for the club teams. The normal risks associated with all international tournaments fall disproportionately on the club teams. Especially teams with star players on long-term guaranteed contracts. Even more so a team like the Spurs with multiple star players on long-term deals. The subject was addressed at the NBA meetings before the 2008-09 season, but no changes were made.


NT must pay insurances for players. If a player is injured during a NT game, his salary is paid by the insurance.

[DPG21920]

Once again, TP don't live on a island. He has a relationship with the team. He has something to loose.

No, he lives in the real world. The real world where the relationship is solid and if TP truly felt he was ok, he knows he really had nothing to loose except for some short-term hurt feelings.

You are making assumptions that "he might not re-sign because of this" and "he has something to loose". They all seem far fetched is the point and TP truly holds all of the cards.

He can do what he wants, and doing something the Spurs might not like is not the same as saying "fuck you". It is about being mature enough to make smart decisions.

[Rogue]

you know
sometimes in a relationship you have to compromise

if you do not like in a husband and wife relationship
you will not get laid
You don't have to get married to have a kid, not to mention getting laid only. :lol The conventional rules belonged to the 16th century Europe and have already been outraced by the time. Sexing is just a common behavior of humans driven by their instinct appetite, just like any other thing like eating and sleeping.

You don't have to stick to a relationship you don't like. I mean Tony Longoria should have learned to say no to the invitations from his national team, the rest of a full summer will certainly make him more energetic for the upcoming NBA season. NBA players have the rights to enjoy this summer on vacation instead of working their butts off under the fire ball. They Spurs would get into tons of troubles in the NBA season if TL happened to get injured, and it also wouldn't be a good news for french NT either.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

There is a difference between FIBA and the olympics. Manu did the right thing and only played for the Olympic team and let the ARG team get an olympic slot without him. TP should do the same.

WTF? The Olympics is controlled by FIBA dumb ass.

[Bruno]

timvppp with the weak come back. :lol


Don't believe me? Here's information straight from Parker:

Straight from Ludden aka Spurs PR guy and a Parker hater.




So the French NT wanted Parker to play with a broken finger that had actually gotten worse. And BTW, the French NT originally classified it as a jammed finger, then a sprained finger and then finally a broken finger.

You came back with that stupidity. French NT had to travel after that game and they haven't access to X-Rays after the game. Is timvppp blaming French doctors not to have X-Rays eyes?




So Parker himself basically said L'Equipe lied and misquoted him. kace owes an apology to someone in this thread. And Bruno/kace/KBP can now admit what I've said all along about Parker's finger is fact.

Thanks.

So because "L'Equipe" misquoted him one time, an article published the official website of the France NT is BS. Do you have a more ridiculous argument ?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

France record since 1999 :

1999 European Championship : 4th place.
2000 Olympic Games : 2nd (Silver medal).
2001 European Championship : 6th place.
2003 European Championship : 4th place.
2005 European Championship : 3rd place.
2006 FIBA World Championship : 5th place.

The last 3-4 years, the French NT can't play with his best players, because the NBA clubs... well, you know. :bang

And then, there's guys like you who have never watched a French NT game, and they say : French NT sucks !

It's not true, this is a great generation and with all his best players, that team could be terrific.

Spain
Greece
Slovenia
Lithuania
Croatia

They all have stronger rosters right now even with teams like Lithuania and Greece losing bunches of starters and rotation players they still have better rosters.

Serbia also has a better roster but they are a very young club so who knows how they would play. Turkey and Russia are debatable probably about tin the same level as France's roster.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Wow... all this shit for a broken finger?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What is with you pulling the "lies" card? You are turning into a combination of kace and KBP.

I'm not going to call you a liar but I will say what I quoted above is inaccurate. Don't believe me? Here's information straight from Parker:



Exactly what I said. The French NT tried to push Parker into playing with a broken f'kn finger. Parker only tried to play because the NT was pushing him. It wasn't until Pop called and cussed out everyone who has ever played French basketball did the NT drop the issue and let Parker go back to San Antonio.

I know this will make Bruno/kace/KBP call me a liar but all I offer are facts straight from Parker himself.



So the French NT wanted Parker to play with a broken finger that had actually gotten worse. And BTW, the French NT originally classified it as a jammed finger, then a sprained finger and then finally a broken finger. But the broken finger diagnosis didn't stop the NT from trying to force Parker to play.

And here's some proof you can't always believe what we read in the French media:



So Parker himself basically said L'Equipe lied and misquoted him. kace owes an apology to someone in this thread. And Bruno/kace/KBP can now admit what I've said all along about Parker's finger is fact.

Thanks.

I NEVER argued anything about Parker's finger. You have me confused with someone else.

[Mel_13]

Well, if you acknowledge that franchise also have an impact on what the player choice, we agree.

The whole NT thing fall into a gray zone with NBA teams violating rules without being sanctioned. Rules needs to be changed and strictly applied.



NT must pay insurances for players. If a player is injured during a NT game, his salary is paid by the insurance.

I know about the insurance, but for a club team with championship aspirations it is more about the loss of services. As you well know, if a key player is sidelined for an extended period, most top teams have no way to replace that talent. And while there are provisions in the CBA to provide cap relief in the case of a player with a career-ending injury, there is no such relief for a team which has a player who suffers an injury which reduces his skill level from all-star to benchwarmer.

I don't believe this situation will become much better unless there are some limits placed on how frequently a player can play for his NT. It would also help if any future compromise were written into the CBA. I have checked the usual resources and it seems that this is not currently the case. As best I can tell, the NBA has entered into an international legal agreement with FIBA and has imposed the provisions of that agreement as a league policy. If the details of player participation were collectively bargained and included in the next CBA, much of the gray area you mentioned would disappear.

[timvp]

timvppp with the weak come back. :lolWhatever you say KaceBP.


Straight from Ludden aka Spurs PR guy and a Parker hater.


Parker said French officials wanted him to try to play with a cast on his finger. Parker was open to the idea until he tried practicing and struggled to shoot. His finger, he said, hurt considerably.


What part of PARKER SAID do you not understand? That isn't Ludden making a guess. That is Ludden relaying what Parker said.

And :lmao at trying to say Ludden doesn't know what he's talking about. Ludden is the best source for Spurs news in the history of the internets.


You came back with that stupidity. French NT had to travel after that game and they haven't access to X-Rays after the game. Is timvppp blaming French doctors not to have X-Rays eyes?

How does that excuse the NT for trying to force Parker to play with a broken finger?



So because "L'Equipe" misquoted him one time, an article published the official website of the France NT is BS. Do you have a more ridiculous argument ?

:lmao @ KaceBP.

Yeah, it's a ridiculous argument to get information straight from Parker himself. Let me instead rely on some third hand information about Parker from some French NT GM who heard Parker talking on the phone threw a bathroom door and then told some unknown French reporter who then wrote it on an obscure website. Great idea.

Just admit the French NT made this bed of deceit. Now the NT has to lay in it.

:lmao @ Parker wanted to play and the NT gave him the green light when Parker said the exact opposite. :rollin

[timaios]

Spain
Greece
Slovenia
Lithuania
Croatia

They all have stronger rosters right now even with teams like Lithuania and Greece losing bunches of starters and rotation players they still have better rosters.

Serbia also has a better roster but they are a very young club so who knows how they would play. Turkey and Russia are debatable probably about tin the same level as France's roster.

With Parker, M.Pietrus & Noah, France could be 1 of the top 3 european team.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Italy's best play maker Stefano Mancinelli might be suspended by FIBA. So France is getting a big break if he is suspended.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

With Parker, M.Pietrus & Noah, France could be 1 of the top 3 european team.

No. I was talking about the roster rank WITH those players.

With those players

Spain
Greece
Lithuania
Slovenia
Croatia

They are all better teams regardless. Serbia also has a better roster but they are too young and so France would beat them I think.

[sonic21]

No. I was talking about the roster rank WITH those players.

With those players

Spain
Greece
Lithuania
Slovenia
Croatia

They are all better teams regardless. Serbia also has a better roster but they are too young and so France would beat them I think.

Croatia? slovenia?

wtf

[Tully365]

Pro basketball players shouldn't play for national teams. Period.

Who should play then? If the USA's team was made up of college players, their agents, college coaches, and other representatives would say it's unfair that guys who haven't made their money in the pros yet should have to risk career ending injuries while playing for nothing. At this point, pros on National Teams are a given, and I doubt that will change.

[timaios]

No. I was talking about the roster rank WITH those players.

With those players

Spain
Greece
Lithuania
Slovenia
Croatia

They are all better teams regardless. Serbia also has a better roster but they are too young and so France would beat them I think.

Apart from Spain, i think a full French team can beat all those teams.

[Bruno]

What part of PARKER SAID do you not understand? That isn't Ludden making a guess. That is Ludden relaying what Parker said.

Is it a direct quote ? No.



And :lmao at trying to say Ludden doesn't know what he's talking about. Ludden is the best source for Spurs news in the history of the internets.

Ludden was Spurs' puppet. And it wasn't Spurs related but France NT related. I take the article coming from the official NT website that has been published before Parker make tries with his splint.



How does that excuse the NT for trying to force Parker to play with a broken finger?

Nice to see you give up on part of your BS with the diagnostic part. Step by step.
Next step is you stopping with that NT force Parker to play with a broken finger BS...




:lmao @ Parker wanted to play and the NT gave him the green light when Parker said the exact opposite. :rollin

:lmao @ timvppp handpicking his sources and going with the questionable ones.

[timvp]

Is it a direct quote ? No.Do you have a link to Parker denying something Ludden wrote about him? I have a link of Parker denying what the French media wrote about him.

Game over.


Ludden was Spurs' puppet. And it wasn't Spurs related but France NT related. I take the article coming from the official NT website that has been published before Parker make tries with his splint.

:lmao @ it not being Spurs related. What part of "Parker said" do you not understand? Seriously. You think Parker didn't say that and Ludden made it up?

If so, I'm going to have to make sure kace hasn't stolen your password. The Bruno I know doesn't spout that type of BS.


I miss Johnny Ludden...

Funny how that sentiment changes when a Ludden article is found that doesn't jive with the French media ... that has been called a liar by its star player.


"It was a no-brainer," Parker said. "Even if I tried to play, I couldn't do nothing. I can't pass. I can't shoot. I can't dribble.

"It's not that I don't want to play. I can't play." I'm sure Ludden made up those quotes, too.


Nice to see you give up on part of your BS with the diagnostic part. Step by step.
Next step is you stopping with that NT force Parker to play with a broken finger BS...

WTF? BS with the diagnostic part?


Tony Parker is hurt :

Tony Parker has sprained his finger at the end of the game. We don't know if he will be able to play against Argentina (first game of th WC).

"That's the bad news of the evening. Tony has sprained his right hand middle finger while grabbing a jersey. He is hurt. For the moment there is no idea on how long will he be out. For the medical staff, there should be no fracture.

Oops. Apology accepted.



:lmao @ timvppp handpicking his sources and going with the questionable ones.Handpicking my sources? I'm going with Parker. You are going with sources that have been called liars by Parker.

I really hope kace stole this cats password . . .

[Obstructed_View]

This is the only place in the entire world that the French refuse to surrender...

[DPG21920]

So Ludden is a Spurs puppet who caters to their needs, but the French media is the best and only does straight-forward, non-biased journalism?

[Bruno]

Do you have a link to Parker denying something Ludden wrote about him? I have a link of Parker denying what the French media wrote about him.

Game over.

Do you have a link denying what has been written of French NT official website ?

No. Game over.




:lmao @ it not being Spurs related. What part of "Parker said" do you not understand? Seriously. You think Parker didn't say that and Ludden made it up?

You can go back at the thread you linked:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48636

Back in 2006, I said Ludden made it up. It was for the exact same quote you're bringing in.



Funny how that sentiment changes when a Ludden article is found that doesn't jive with the French media ... that has been called a liar by its star player.

Breaking news: Ludden is less worst than McDonald.




I'm sure Ludden made up those quotes, too.

These are direct quotes.




WTF? BS with the diagnostic part?

Oops. Apology accepted.

So you're back at the French doctors sucked, they don't have X-rays eyes...

back to the ridiculous....




Handpicking my sources? I'm going with Parker. You are going with sources that have been called liars by Parker.

:rolleyes
You went with Ludden.
French NT website isn't the same thing as "L'Equipe".

[Obstructed_View]

If Ludden is a Spurs puppet, why is he working for Yahoo sports now?

[timvp]

If Ludden is a Spurs puppet, why is he working for Yahoo sports now?

Ludden doesn't work there. He just made that up.

[timaios]

Dear Bruno, dear timvp...

Do you realize that everyone witnesses your childish battle. :lol

[Bruno]

If Ludden is a Spurs puppet, why is he working for Yahoo sports now?

Because he was tired of being Spurs' puppet.

[Bruno]

Dear Bruno, dear timvp...

Do you realize that everyone witnesses your childish battle. :lol

Well, it's the dead period on ST (most of the offseason moves are done and games haven't started), so it's the perfect moment for childish battles.

[timvp]

Do you have a link denying what has been written of French NT official website ?

No. Game over.
I just gave you a link of Parker dismissing what the French press has to say about him. Do you have something similar from Parker?

Game over.


Ludden made it up

:lmao :lmao :lmao *catches breath* :lmao


These are direct quotes.Exactly. Does that sound like someone who wanted to play? No. It sounds like someone who was being told to play but couldn't.

Game over.


So you're back at the French doctors sucked, they don't have X-rays eyes...

back to the ridiculous....

French doctors were wrong that it was a sprain. And even after they admitted it was broken, they still tried to force Parker to play. So even if they had X-ray eyes, that wouldn't have changed anything. They wanted Parker to play with a splint on even though Parker himself didn't want to do that.

Fact.

[DPG21920]

Just some bad logic in this thread:

1) Ludden was a Spurs puppet with motives, but the NT website for France has no motives and won't try and make the Spurs sound bad?

2) TP cannot say "fuck you" to the Spurs, but the Spurs can do it to him?

3) There is a war or "conflict", but yet the Spurs could do nothing to TP. If the Spurs piss TP off, he "could not re-sign", but if TP says I will not come home, the Spurs will still re-sign him?

[Freeze]

I'm gonna give you two more material :

http://www.tp9.net/en/itw.php?id=140

« I did not have the choice »


First of all, how do you feel a few hours after announcing your retirement from the world championships ?


I am ok, I am not about to ponder about this for fifty years. Injuries are part of the game. It is certain that I am not happy to say the world championships are already over for me. I prepared well to play here in Japan. Unfortunately, it is not for me. I try to remain positive while relying on our team. I hope they go a far as possible.




Were you ready to play despite the injury ?


Absolutely I wanted to play ! I was willing to take the risk but I am not the only one to decide. This morning we had a conference call for an hour with the trainer, the doctor, Claude Bergeaud (French coach), my agent and the Spurs. We rounded the issue to figure out the best decision for me and my future and we’ve concluded that it was better to throw the towel.




We could imagine that the Spurs had the final word ?


Absolutely and I understand this decision. San Antonio is paying me extremely well to play in the NBA and they do not want me to start the season with an injury. We know that the NBA clubs are not so keen on seeing their players with their national teams so when someone is hurt they usually ask for that player to come home immediately for more tests, thus I did not have the choice.




Is this injury bearable ?


It is hurting permanently. At practice I could not even hold the ball. Doctors told me I needed to rest for a month.




What are you doing in the upcoming days ?


I am going back to San Antonio on Sunday. The Spurs want me to get treated there and if all goes well, I intend to come back to Tokyo to cheer on the French team in the quarter final.




Are you telling us that the Spurs have limited confidence in the French national team’s doctor ?


Yes, this is indeed what I am saying but this isn’t new. It always worked like that. Beno Udrih went through the same thing at the Euro. He injured his knee and immediately had to get back to San Antonio.




Despite this tough situation, we feel that your spirit is high...


Injuries are common for athletes. I am lucky to be 24 years old and I know there will be many more international games in years to come. What is a bit frustrating is to go through the entire preparation, to give yourself the means to succeed and to finally throw the towel 24 hours before the first game. I am not about to cry about my fate. It is only a broken finger while it could very well be a bad injury to a knee or an ankle.

[timaios]

This is the only place in the entire world that the French refuse to surrender...

For the americans, France has 1 century of existence.
You know it's an old country and french won many, many wars.
You know some guys like Louis XIV, Napoléon...

You should go there for a start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_monarchs

[Freeze]

http://www.tp9.net/en/itw.php?id=142

« I believe in my teammates »

As you know, my examinations were done on Monday in San Antonio. The results confirmed the first diagnosis made by the French national team doctors. It is a simple fracture without any displacement, thus not requiring any surgery. The Spurs’ medical staff told me that I needed four to six weeks of rest. My finger will be in a protective case until the end of this period. What is certain is that you will see me on the floors in France in October during the Spurs’ European training camp.

Before coming back tot eh US for treatment, my wish was to come back to Tokyo for the quarter finals. Unfortunately, there is a 90% chance that I will be unable to come as the Spurs would like me to continue my treatment here in the US and to do more test next week. I am trying to find a middle ground with them but I am afraid that I might have to watch the games on television. I should have a definite answer by Monday morning.

I am currently in San Antonio. I use this time off to rest after a sudden departure from Japan. Of course I have followed each and every game of the French team and like many I was surprised by the loss against Lebanon. I really did not expect this. The most important was done with this second place of the group and the 1/8 of final against Angola will be difficult but nothing impossible. I believe in my teammates. It is now a new competition that stars and I confident that we will see a new face to this French team.

I will be in France on September 4th or 5th. My time will be divided amongst personal appearances for my sponsors and a charity event. I will then return to San Antonio on September 15th

[Bruno]

I just gave you a link of Parker dismissing what the French press has to say about him. Do you have something similar from Parker?


You don't have a quote of Parker. it's a quote of Ludden, I said was BS back in 2006.



:lmao :lmao :lmao *catches breath* :lmao

Exactly. Does that sound like someone who wanted to play? No. It sounds like someone who was being told to play but couldn't.

Off topic.
Does the French NT news said that Parker wanted to play after the try he made ? No.
It said that Parker wanted to made the try.



French doctors were wrong that it was a sprain. And even after they admitted it was broken, they still tried to force Parker to play. So even if they had X-ray eyes, that wouldn't have changed anything. They wanted Parker to play with a splint on even though Parker himself didn't want to do that.

Fact.

Not Fact, just your assumption. You're going even further than Ludden BS.

[completely deck]

this thread.....

[Bambililos]

Oh come on, TP said he couldn't play with a broken finger AFTER the tries. At first, both the French NT and Parker were willing to try because they desperately wanted him to play in the world championship.
After the tries, Parker and the NT both agreed to follow the Spurs request to go back to SA.

How does it matter if one or the other had the idea first? Nobody forced anybody.

[timaios]

90 days... :sleep

[Brazil]

90 days... :sleep

spot on... dear this all story is becoming ridiculous

[antimvp]

the season can not start soon enough.


http://www.whiskyundspirituosen.de/shop/images/Absolut_Vodka_100.jpg

[DPG21920]

Can someone tell me an easy way to break up quotes


Is this what you are talking about?


and at the sane time make stupid comments I can mock you for?

This can be achieved by following CD for a week.


Thanks.

No problem.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Apart from Spain, i think a full French team can beat all those teams.

Can beat them. Not is likely to beat them when it matters.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Croatia? slovenia?

wtf

They have far better rosters than France does. Look at the roster lists for 2009 Euro championships.

[Freeze]

Yeah Olivier is a good friend of mine. I don't need you to tell me who he is :lol

From today's l'équipe :

Parker s’est entraîné

SAN ANTONIO – de notre correspondant

À SAN ANTONIO, le passage en ville de Tony Parker a créé un peu d’agitation dans les médias, mais le silence radio a longtemps été de mise chez les Spurs. RC Buford, le manager du club, a distillé quelques perles d’infos par texto, avant de finalement confirmer dans un communiqué de presse lapidaire que tout allait assez bien pour Tony Parker. L’entorse de la cheville droite était donc bien “mild” (légère), et si TP ne le disait pas ouvertement, il avait du mal à comprendre le pourquoi de l’entêtement de son équipe NBA à lui faire traverser l’Atlantique en urgence, à quelques jours du match crucial, contre l’Italie, qu’il est désormais certain de rater. « J’ai recommencé à courir et je me suis entraîné sans problème, glissait-il pour confirmer ce qu’il savait depuis plusieurs jours. Pop (le coach Gregg Popovich) est passé voir, et ce qu’il a vu l’a satisfait. Je rentrerai en France jeudi et je donnerai une interview là-bas. »

Le retour est programmé. D’ici là, d’autres soins sont prévus avant de rejoindre les Bleus. Mais il faudra attendre pour en savoir plus sur l’état des relations entre Parker et les Spurs. Même si, comme le rappelait une chaîne de télévision locale : « Peter Holt (le propriétaire du club) paiera Tony Parker 12 millions de dollars, cette saison. Peter Holt obtiendra donc tout ce qu’il veut. » Tony Parker ne s’appartient pas vraiment.

OLIVIER PHEULPIN

TP has been practicing yesterday.
"I've ran and practiced without any problems. Pop came to see me and what he've seen satisfied him. I'll be back in France thursday, I'll give an interview there." :toast

What bother me is the part after where the journalist wrote "we have to wait to know more about how are Spurs/Parker relationship"...

[Bambililos]

In San Antonio, Tony Parker's coming to town created a bit of agitation in the media, but for a long time the complete silence was displayed by the Spurs. RC Buford, the franchise GM, gave a few gems of information via text messages, then finally confirmed in a terse press release that everything was going relatively well for Tony Parker. The sprained right ankle was really "mild", and if TP wasn't saying it openly, he had a hard time understanding the reasons of the Spurs stubbornness in making him cross the Atlantic ocean in a hurry, with a few days left before the crucial game against Italy that he's now certain to miss. "I started to run again and I practiced without problems", he said to confirm what he already knew for a few days. "Pop came to see me, and he liked what he saw. I'll be back in France on Thursday and I'll give an interview there."

The come back is set. Till then, other treatments are planned before rejoining Les Bleus. But only time will tell us the state of the relationship between Parker and the Spurs. Even if, as reminded a local TV: "Peter Holt will pay Tony Parker $12M this season. Thus Peter Holt will get everything he wants". Tony Parker doesn't really own himself.

Olivier Pheulpin


Now tell me, is it still French media making things up or is it the mods' friend telling the truth?
Because this article tells us nothing new or different from what we read from L'Equipe of the NT website before...

[kace]

Do you have a link to Parker denying something Ludden wrote about him? I have a link of Parker denying what the French media wrote about him.

Game over.



http://www.lavoixdessports.com/fr/folders/mondialbasket/articles/060818parker.phtml

"Despite the handicap and the pain, he was ready to try against Argentina: "I would have played with the lef hand if needed, no problem""

anyone honest understand, "i would have played IF THE SPURS ALLOWED ME". and the interview from TP9.net that someone posted says it clearly.

TP wanted to play but after the spurs refused, he made some diplomatic comments. that's clear.

what else ? can we get over that now or does your ego, which is as big as your bball and spurs knowledge and bball writer talent, prevent you to do that ?


I'm not sure how much we disagree on this. We both acknowledge that in these cases the player makes the final decision.


i got to agree. TP hadn't the same strong character as manu, it seems. don't know if he was reasonable or weak, but he surely could have said NO to the spurs. indeed, i wish he did.

[kace]

In San Antonio, Tony Parker's coming to town created a bit of agitation in the media, but for a long time the complete silence was displayed by the Spurs. RC Buford, the franchise GM, gave a few gems of information via text messages, then finally confirmed in a terse press release that everything was going relatively well for Tony Parker. The sprained right ankle was really "mild", and if TP wasn't saying it openly, he had a hard time understanding the reasons of the Spurs stubbornness in making him cross the Atlantic ocean in a hurry, with a few days left before the crucial game against Italy that he's now certain to miss. "I started to run again and I practiced without problems", he said to confirm what he already knew for a few days. "Pop came to see me, and he liked what he saw. I'll be back in France on Thursday and I'll give an interview there."

The come back is set. Till then, other treatments are planned before rejoining Les Bleus. But only time will tell us the state of the relationship between Parker and the Spurs. Even if, as reminded a local TV: "Peter Holt will pay Tony Parker $12M this season. Thus Peter Holt will get everything he wants". Tony Parker doesn't really own himself.

Olivier Pheulpin


Now tell me, is it still French media making things up or is it the mods' friend telling the truth?
Because this article tells us nothing new or different from what we read from L'Equipe of the NT website before...

don't worry, when tony will have polite and diplomatic words to downplay this, timvp will tell you that it proves it was all lies from the french medias.

[completely deck]

don't worry, when tony will have polite and diplomatic words to downplay this, timvp will tell you that it proves it was all lies from the french medias.

IT'S JUST ALL A WEB OF LIES! LIESSSS!!

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8905/tinfoilhatn.jpg

[Obstructed_View]

For the americans, France has 1 century of existence.
You know it's an old country and french won many, many wars.
You know some guys like Louis XIV, Napoléon...

You should go there for a start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_monarchs

Actually, I'm only 38, so for me, France has only 38 years of "existence". I don't think they've had to surrender to anyone in that time, so by your own logic, you win. Yay!

[Yao明]

Fail

[rjv]

this will all blow away as we all know the french will not fight.

[JPB]

Parker will play vs Finland :

Vincent Collet, french coach on lequipe.fr

"I think We couldn't stop him from playing vs Finland, I think he'll want it too much... Saturday on the phone, he still was a bit upset being obliged to stay in SA some more days but also very happy to come back"

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The best thing about this thread is that hot piece in KBP's signature.

[ohmwrecker]

For the americans, France has 1 century of existence.
You know it's an old country and french won many, many wars.
You know some guys like Louis XIV, Napoléon...

You should go there for a start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_monarchs


Hey, asshole. I think most Americans know that France is a wee bit over 100 years old. It's condescending douchebags like you that make Americans hate the French. Go take a shower.

[timaios]

Hey, asshole. I think most Americans know that France is a wee bit over 100 years old. It's condescending douchebags like you that make Americans hate the French. Go take a shower.

Hello internet xenophobic coward. :toast

[ducks]

pop say tp
pop and tp got everything resolved
if pop said go play
tp is healthy

[SequSpur]

pop say tp
pop and tp got everything resolved
if pop said go play
tp is healthy

are you taking your retard meds or what? Also, are you an indian? I mean what the fuck is wrong with you...

[ducks]

are you a racist?

[ducks]

I am a computer repair geek

[Solid D]

pop say tp
pop and tp got everything resolved
if pop said go play
tp is healthy


are you taking your retard meds or what? Also, are you an indian? I mean what the fuck is wrong with you...

It's actually a very rare 4-11-5-5 haiku

[SequSpur]

It's actually a very rare 4-11-5-5 haiku

no shit dude.... when ducks post something, I feel like i am reading a dr. seuss book.... wtf?

[ohmwrecker]

Hello internet xenophobic coward. :toast

I'm not xenophobic, you idiot. I lived in Paris for a year. I've been all over Europe. You are the one who is making broad generalizations and assumptions. So, only Americans can be xenophobes?

[timaios]

I'm not xenophobic, you idiot. I lived in Paris for a year. I've been all over Europe. You are the one who is making broad generalizations and assumptions. So, only Americans can be xenophobes?

You approve that :


This is the only place in the entire world that the French refuse to surrender...

Then you insult me for nothing for my sarcastic response to that ^


Hey, asshole. I think most Americans know that France is a wee bit over 100 years old. It's condescending douchebags like you that make Americans hate the French. Go take a shower.

You are the idiot full of xenophobic clichés.
I was sarcastic and Obstructed_View understood it (see his response to my post). My "generalizations and assumptions" are that the americans don't know the history of France, it's a fact not an insult.

You are not insulting me, you are insulting all the french... just because they are french. And that is xenophobic. :toast

And as you said in your post that you lived in Paris for a year, you certainly can testify that french people never take showers... :rolleyes

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Man we need to start a trade tony thread with facts about his injury and why he's now damaged goods and will start from the bench and we can get more money from him now before it all goes downhill and whatnot and blah blah blah,,.,,,../..../,dmfrklj fdljgfodhs dklghflkgh flkhgfk lshgfklsgjhfdlk shgfdlksgh fklsjhgfdlkghf lkdsghf klhgklsf ghfklsdgh fksdjh slkjghf lksghfd

[ohmwrecker]

timaios,
I don't expect you to understand any of this because you clearly do not possess the mental capacity for reason. My post and insult was directed at you, and you alone. I met a lot of lovely and kind people in France, but I also met a few Anti-American jackasses, such as yourself. People who form opinions with no prior knowledge or basis of fact. I like France, I am well aware of the history of the country. I like the French people, especially the women, but I don't like ignorant people of any culture.

[Milo]

We're getting close to the Godwin's point...

Being from France and having lived 4 years in Texas, I have to say that in general, I found much less xenophobia and stereotypes in the US than in France. After all, America is a country of immigrants; and its not much where you come from that matters, but what you do.
French people falling into basic anti-americanism should just turn off their TV, travel accross the sea and stay long enough to get an educated idea by themselves.

[blueindigo]

It's become easy to have anti-american people in France now when we see the Parker's case... it's just an american bullshit.

[Brazil]

timaios,
I don't expect you to understand any of this because you clearly do not possess the mental capacity for reason. My post and insult was directed at you, and you alone. I met a lot of lovely and kind people in France, but I also met a few Anti-American jackasses, such as yourself. People who form opinions with no prior knowledge or basis of fact. I like France, I am well aware of the history of the country. I like the French people, especially the women, but I don't like ignorant people of any culture.

:rolleyes yeah right by saying Go take a shower you are not using a BS stereotype

[SonOfAGun]

Meaningless Eurotratournament < 2010 NBA Championship

[Bambililos]

Meaningless Eurotratournament < 2010 NBA Championship

"meaningless eurotournament" (aka major event for TP and many fans): September 2009
2010 NBA Championship: November 2009-June 2010

Why chose when you can have both?

[timaios]

timaios,
I don't expect you to understand any of this because you clearly do not possess the mental capacity for reason. My post and insult was directed at you, and you alone. I met a lot of lovely and kind people in France, but I also met a few Anti-American jackasses, such as yourself. People who form opinions with no prior knowledge or basis of fact. I like France, I am well aware of the history of the country. I like the French people, especially the women, but I don't like ignorant people of any culture.

Quote just one Anti-American sentence i did, just one.
But continue to insult people, apparently you have great talent in that department. :wakeup

[Bender]

The best thing about this thread is that hot piece in KBP's signature.

i could look at that all day. Never heard of her either.

[ohmwrecker]

:rolleyes yeah right by saying Go take a shower you are not using a BS stereotype

Are you not stereotyping Americans by implying that we know nothing of other cultures?

Go suck on a baguette, camembert dick!

[timaios]

Are you not stereotyping Americans by implying that we know nothing of other cultures?

Go suck on a bagguette, camembert dick!

You are such a wonderful person... It must be so great to be you.

[Brazil]

Are you not stereotyping Americans by implying that we know nothing of other cultures?

Go suck on a bagguette, camembert dick!

Find a quote where I'm stereotyping Americans.

I got an info for you I'm not Sonic21.

With all your culture you should know how to spell baguette.

Je terminerai par un: tu peux te la mettre où je pense ta baguette.

[sonic21]

Find a quote where I'm stereotyping Americans.

I got an info for you I'm not Sonic21.

With all your culture you should know how to spell baguette.

Je terminerai par un: tu peux te la mettre où je pense ta baguette.

what did i do? i didn't post in this thread

[timaios]

what did i do? i didn't post in this thread

:lmao

[sonic21]

what did i do? i didn't post in this thread

:depressed

i don't get it Brazil

[Brazil]

:depressed

i don't get it Brazil

:lmao:lmao:lmao I've seen one of your quote just before in another thread and I mixed names I meant timaios.

Self ownage

[timaios]

:lmao:lmao:lmao I've seen one of your quote just before in another thread and I mixed names I meant timaios.

Self ownage
What ??? :depressed:depressed:depressed

[ohmwrecker]

Find a quote where I'm stereotyping Americans.

I got an info for you I'm not Sonic21.

With all your culture you should know how to spell baguette.

Je terminerai par un: tu peux te la mettre où je pense ta baguette.

Pardon my typo. It was a joke, timaios. You guys sure are a sensitive bunch.

[Brazil]

What ??? :depressed:depressed:depressed

ohwwrecker quoted me saying: "Are you not stereotyping Americans by implying that we know nothing of other cultures?"

I think that was for you therefore I replied I'm not Sonic21 meaning YOU... it's not that complicated :lol

[Brazil]

Pardon my typo. It was a joke, timaios. You guys sure are a sensitive bunch.

dude I'm not timaios. ME = Brazil :toast... twilight zone thread

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

We're getting close to the Godwin's point...

Being from France and having lived 4 years in Texas, I have to say that in general, I found much less xenophobia and stereotypes in the US than in France. After all, America is a country of immigrants; and its not much where you come from that matters, but what you do.
French people falling into basic anti-americanism should just turn off their TV, travel accross the sea and stay long enough to get an educated idea by themselves.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

[douchedom]He said Texas, not Arkansas.

[ohmwrecker]

dude I'm not timaios. ME = Brazil :toast... twilight zone thread
I was addressing both of you in one comment. I did not realize it would be that difficult to comprehend.

[Brazil]

I was addressing both of you in one comment. I did not realize it would be that difficult to comprehend.

Except I never made a stereotype coment in this fucking thread for god sake

[ohmwrecker]

Except I never made a stereotype coment in this fucking thread for god sake

I didn't either. It was a joke. Get over it already.

[Dr Cox]

soo much anger...


"cant we all just get along"

[kace]

well, i'll use this thread to make an update (don't see it posted). comments from the last game.


http://www.eurosport.fr/basketball/qualif-euro-2009/2008/parker-retour-en-douceur_sto2026562/story.shtml


The Spurs would have liked TP not to play this game but after having discussed together, the Spurs and the french staff agreed on 5 minutes of playing time. They discussed about it till the last training, the warm-up just before the game. The two parts (spurs and french staff) made the decision together.

TP: "we had to respect our agreement (between french staff and spurs about 5 minutes of PT). It was strange to play after 2 months and a half"

[Capt Bringdown]

I recall a very good Avery Johnson quote from a few years ago. To paraphrase, it was something like "so many things have to go right in order to win a championship."
Common sense, yet profound.

Too bad Tony chose to risk tragedy rather than err on the side of caution and sit this NT nonsense out. Sometimes you can't have it all, you have to prioritze, and it pays to err on the side of caution. One would think playing it safe would be a top consideration given all the agressive changes/investments we've made in the off-season, not to mention the pain of last season caused by Manu's unnecessary and foolish injury.

[Parker2112]

I recall a very good Avery Johnson quote from a few years ago. To paraphrase, it was something like "so many things have to go right in order to win a championship."
Common sense, yet profound.

Too bad Tony chose to risk tragedy rather than err on the side of caution and sit this NT nonsense out. Sometimes you can't have it all, you have to prioritze, and it pays to err on the side of caution. One would think playing it safe would be a top consideration given all the agressive changes/investments we've made in the off-season, not to mention the pain of last season caused by Manu's unnecessary and foolish injury.

I think TP might argue that Manu was able to "have it all." TP could also argue that the FO could have done this last year, and that TD's knees needed the rest then and the FO failed to err on the side of caution then.

Just playing devil's advocate here.
:devil

[Baseline]

Okay, so Parker only played 5 minutes in the game on Saturday against Finland per the "agreement" between the Spurs and the French team. France won the game, as if nothing in the world could be more important. So Parker flew back to France for this game so he could play five minutes.

Are there actually five citizens of Finland who play basketball?

When is their next game? Anybody know? And when does this NT stuff end so he can come home and rest up for the season he's getting paid for?