Wich ending five is better on paper?

[sonic21]

Celtics
Rondo
Ray Allen
Pierce
KG
Perkins (or Sheed)

Spurs
Parker
Manu
RJ
Dice
Duncan

Magic
Nelson
VC
Pietrus
Lewis
Dwight

[JustBlaze]

Nuggets.

[23LeBronJames23]

Cavs

[JustBlaze]

Parker, as in Anthony Parker? How old is he now anyways?:lol

[SpurCharger]

There Is Like 5 or 6 teams out there with Great Lineups...... but We Will See How They Gel together......

[JustBlaze]

:lol

[sonic21]

i didn't put the cavs.

Mo Williams is the worst allstar since Magloire, Varejao is Varejao and West's year was a fluke.

[BlackBellamy]

Wich is a better speller, Sonic or KBP?

[SpurCharger]

Mo Williams Did Choke Pretty Hard Come Playoff Time, Especially Against The Magic.... He Let Rafer Alston lock him Up, Damn Thats Bad! Lol

[PBEEZY]

No lakers????

[Cry Havoc]

No lakers????

Fisher and Bynum pretty much sink that ship for them.



Celtics vs Spurs
Rondo << Parker
Ray Allen = Jefferson
Pierce < Manu
KG >> Dice
Perkins (or Sheed) <<<< Duncan



Magic vs Spurs
Nelson <<< Parker
VC >> Jefferson
Pietrus <<<< Manu
Lewis < Dice
Dwight < Duncan

[Spursfan092120]

Gonna have to vote Spurs..no bias...honestly..and lol at the guy who said Cavs.

[Hornets1]

CAVS LOL

Williams
Parker/West
Lebron
Varajeo
Shaq

Great lineup there.

Clippers have a better starting 5.

Davis
Gordon
Thorton
Griffin
Brand

Sorry man, Brand plays for the 76ers.

BTW, the team with the best "Big 5" is the Lakers. They would just need Kobe or Odom to run the point.

Kobe
Artest
Odom
Gasol
Bynum

"Big 5 rankings"
1.Lakers
T2.Boston/S.A.
4.Magic

[sook]

out of those 3 its pretty tough but I'm going to ahve to say magic.

Just on paper, but chemistry wise the spurs, who I think will end up being the best out of the 3 because their core has already won so many championships together

[JamStone]

Celtics.

[SpurCharger]

Its Definately, Celtics or Spurs......

[Greg Oden]

Pierce < Manu




Lewis < Dice


:lmao


what the fuck?

[Amarelooms]

Mavs have deeper team and better finishing 5 than the Spurs :elephant

[mavs>spurs2]

Fisher and Bynum pretty much sink that ship for them.



Celtics vs Spurs
Rondo = Parker
Ray Allen = Jefferson
Pierce > Manu
KG >>>> Dice
Perkins (or Sheed) <<< Duncan



Magic vs Spurs
Nelson << Parker
VC > Jefferson
Pietrus <<< Manu
Lewis >> Dice
Dwight > Duncan

Fixed

[Spursfan092120]

Mavs have deeper team and better finishing 5 than the Spurs :elephant
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[Amarelooms]

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4-1...pray you can avoid the Mavs this year in order to avoid another embarrassment :elephant

[Amarelooms]

Fixed

Ummm Lewis is way better than Mcdyess...are you that dumb? :elephant

[UrAphag]

Rofl @ people competing to see who is second best.

[Spursfan092120]

4-1...pray you can avoid the Mavs this year in order to avoid another embarrassment :elephant
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Tony Parker >>>> JJ Barea
Manu Ginobili >> Jason Kidd (when healthy)
Richard Jefferson > Shawn Marion
Dice<<<<Nowitski
Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>>Ericka/Gooden

[Spursfan092120]

Rofl @ people competing to see who is second best.
Rofl @ crowning yourself before the season starts...Good luck with a pissed off Odom

[Amarelooms]

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Tony Parker >>>> JJ Barea
Manu Ginobili >> Jason Kidd (when healthy)
Richard Jefferson > Shawn Marion
Dice<<<<Nowitski
Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>>Ericka/Gooden

JJ Barea??? He is not gonna be in at the end stupid ass. Have you heard of Josh Howard??? You FAIL :elephant

[Scrappy Coco]

Rofl @ people competing to see who is second best.
Boston > Lakers
Still the C's bitches

[mavs>spurs2]

Ummm Lewis is way better than Mcdyess...are you that dumb? :elephant

that was a mistake. should be lewis >> mcdyess

[Spurs_210]

Mavs have deeper team and better finishing 5 than the Spurs :elephant
Better finishing 5?? :lmao choke choke :lol

[mavs>spurs2]

jason kidd < tony parker
josh howard < ginobili
shawn marion > jefferson
dirk > duncan
dampier = mcdyess

[The Franchise]

jason kidd < tony parker
josh howard < ginobili
shawn marion > jefferson
dirk > duncan
dampier = mcdyess

I agree with you on everything but the last one.

[dirk4mvp]

Better finishing 5?? :lmao choke choke :lol

Spur fans shouldn't be laughing at daddy Mav fans.

[Goran Dragic]

Celtics vs Spurs
Rondo << Parker
Ray Allen = Jefferson
Pierce < Manu
KG >> Dice
Perkins (or Sheed) <<<< Duncan



How the hell is Manu > Pierce?

[Muser]

All this comparing bullshit means nothing. 2004 Lakers/2007 Mavs tell us this.

[Spurs_210]

Spur fans shouldn't be laughing at daddy Mav fans.
Sure they should :lol who doesn't laugh at them? Btw you didn't do anything but sit and watch the Mavs win. Therefore stop trying to live through the Mavs its pretty pathetic

[Goran Dragic]

Btw you didn't do anything but sit and watch the Mavs win.


So by that logic, Spurs fans shouldn't be allowed to brag about the 4 championships the Spurs have, right?

[sonic21]

mavs fans, in your opinion who will play at the end of games for the mavs?

howard or marion at SF?
Terry or Howard at SG?

[MavDynasty]

mavs fans, in your opinion who will play at the end of games for the mavs?

howard or marion at SF?
Terry or Howard at SG?

Kidd
Terry
Howard
Marion
Dirk



or



Kidd
Terry
Marion
Dirk
Dampier

Jho tends to dissapear in the 4th

[Goran Dragic]

The pole results are laughable. Boston's best five are by far better than San Antonio's best five.

[dirk4mvp]

So by that logic, Spurs fans shouldn't be allowed to brag about the 4 championships the Spurs have, right?

So much for the argument he was trying to use.

[Goran Dragic]

Fixed

I wouldn't say Rondo = Parker, but the distance between the two isn't as gaping as Spurfan probably thinks it is, especially since Rondo is a great defender while Parker is a below average defender.

[Cry Havoc]

How the hell is Manu > Pierce?

That's assuming he's healthy.

When Manu is healthy, he's a top 3 guard in the game.

The question is if he'll be fully healthy, which is doubtful.

It's no disrespect to Pierce, but he was extremely unimpressive in the playoffs. Personally I think Pierce has been one of the most underrated players of all time, but age is catching up to him.

Of course, age is catching Manu as well. I'm just saying that when he's healthy, he's unstoppable.

[The Franchise]

How the hell is Manu > Pierce?

I to would like an answer for this.

[Greg Oden]

When Manu is healthy, he's a top 3 guard in the game.



:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao


You're not only a homer, but retarded as well.

[Goran Dragic]

That's assuming he's healthy.

When Manu is healthy, he's a top 3 guard in the game.

The question is if he'll be fully healthy, which is doubtful.

It's no disrespect to Pierce, but he was extremely unimpressive in the playoffs. Personally I think Pierce has been one of the most underrated players of all time, but age is catching up to him.

Of course, age is catching Manu as well. I'm just saying that when he's healthy, he's unstoppable.


I like your posts generally especially when you're owning z0sa.

As unimpressive as Pierce was, last I checked he played. Yeah he had nothing left after a season where he averaged 38 points per game, as would Manu. And the year before he won finals MVP.

[Texas_Ranger]

jason kidd < tony parker
josh howard < ginobili
shawn marion > jefferson
dirk > duncan
dampier = mcdyess

OK Dirk and Tim are pretty close but those other two!:lmao:rollin:blah:lol:lol:lmao

[Greg Oden]

OK Dirk and Tim are pretty close but those other two!:lmao:rollin:blah:lol:lol:lmao

This just in: Spurs players aren't as good as spur fans like to make them out to be.

[BlackBellamy]

I to would like an answer for this.

Paul plays a shit ton more minutes than Manu. It could still be argued as to who the better player is. It's not as cut and dry as a few of you make it out. These are their stats from last year (an injured year for Ginobili).
Manu:
PPG 15.5
RPG 4.5
APG 3.6
SPG 1.5
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.454
FT% 0.884
3P% 0.330
MPG 26.8

Pierce:
PPG 20.5
RPG 5.6
APG 3.6
SPG 1.0
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.457
FT% 0.830
3P% 0.391
MPG 37.5

[BlackBellamy]

This just in: Spurs players aren't as good as spur fans like to make them out to be.

Coming from Greg Oden...

:rolleyes

[Greg Oden]

Coming from Greg Oden...

:rolleyes

Blair has clearly shown he's the next Moses Malone and Jefferson was waiting till he got to SA to show he was the heir apparent to Julius Erving, I know.

[The Franchise]

Paul plays a shit ton more minutes than Manu. It could still be argued as to who the better player is. It's not as cut and dry as a few of you make it out. These are their stats from last year (an injured year for Ginobili).
Manu:
PPG 15.5
RPG 4.5
APG 3.6
SPG 1.5
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.454
FT% 0.884
3P% 0.330
MPG 26.8

Pierce:
PPG 20.5
RPG 5.6
APG 3.6
SPG 1.0
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.457
FT% 0.830
3P% 0.391
MPG 37.5

As a Spur fan (After the Rockets they are my favorite team I might add) who would you rather have on your team, if you set loyalties aside? Put Peirce in Manus place and the Spurs would win the title without a doubt.

[Goran Dragic]

Paul plays a shit ton more minutes than Manu. It could still be argued as to who the better player is.


The efficiency per minute argument is horrible, Manu comes in and plays against bench players. Pierce is playing against starters most of the game.

[BlackBellamy]

Blair has clearly shown he's the next Moses Malone and Jefferson was waiting till he got to SA to show he was the heir apparent to Julius Erving, I know.

Your original comment was directed towards Duncan vs. Dirk. I never mentioned Blair or Jefferson, nor do I place value (and would certainly not overvalue) players prior to...
A. Seeing how they fit our system
B. Seeing them play their first NBA game

[Greg Oden]

Your original comment was directed towards Duncan vs. Dirk. I never mentioned Blair or Jefferson, nor do I place value (and would certainly not overvalue) players prior to...
A. Seeing how they fit our system
B. Seeing them play their first NBA game

My original comment had nothing to do with Duncan vs. Dirk.

[BlackBellamy]

The efficiency per minute argument is horrible, Manu comes in and plays against bench players. Pierce is playing against starters most of the game.
Well how about, he was playing banged up for the entire year that he did see any floor time and in roughly 11 less minutes per game managed to put up similar numbers to Pierce? I don't know alot of teams that don't still run a starter (or D-specialist bench player) at Manu, even if he comes off the bench.

[BlackBellamy]

My original comment had nothing to do with Duncan vs. Dirk.

Ah, I misread. My mistake. Ya, it is a bit presumptive to think that any player will be an impact prior to playing his first game with your squad. That's true.

[Greg Oden]

Ah, I misread. My mistake. Ya, it is a bit presumptive to think that any player will be an impact prior to playing his first game with your squad. That's true.

It's all good brah.

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao


You're not only a homer, but retarded as well.

He's one of the most efficient players in NBA history.

How's Oden doing these days? Is he getting closer to being the next Wilt? Can we call him a top 5 center all-time like most Blazer fans wanted to do before he played a single game in the NBA?


I like your posts generally especially when you're owning z0sa.

As unimpressive as Pierce was, last I checked he played. Yeah he had nothing left after a season where he averaged 38 points per game, as would Manu. And the year before he won finals MVP.

When Manu and Pierce were both in their prime they were perhaps two of the most under-appreciated (by the media) players in NBA history. If you could go back and look at posts I made pretty shortly after joining the site, I made the argument for Pierce being one of the best players in the NBA. His statline for several seasons when the Celtics were cellar-dwellers was incredible.

Sadly, I think he lost a LOT last year. That's the only reason I say Manu > Pierce, because I think Manu still has that explosiveness. Pierce might prove me wrong and go off again this year, but he really shirked stepping up in the playoffs when the C's needed him. Rondo was better in every aspect of the game in the 09 playoffs.

[Greg Oden]

He's one of the most efficient players in NBA history.

How's Oden doing these days? Is he getting closer to being the next Wilt? Can we call him a top 5 center all-time like most Blazer fans wanted to do before he played a single game in the NBA?






He plays against bench players, he single handedly prevented your team from advancing in the playoffs, before and he's not better than Pierce.

I find it very funny and hypocritical that spurfan would accuse another fanbase of overrating a player that's never been on an nba court.


But don't let trying to make a funny get in your way.

[Goran Dragic]

Well how about, he was playing banged up for the entire year that he did see any floor time and in roughly 11 less minutes per game managed to put up similar numbers to Pierce? I don't know alot of teams that don't still run a starter (or D-specialist bench player) at Manu, even if he comes off the bench.


per 36 minute stats:
Pierce:
19.7 points, 5.4 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 45.7%, 2.7 turnovers

Manu:
20.8 points, 5.3 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 45.4%, 2.7 turnovers


Per minute, they're pretty much the same player, but that doesn't mean Manu = Pierce, that means in order for Manu to play with as much efficiency as Pierce, he needs to come off the bench and play less minutes per game because he can't maintain the same efficiency as long as Pierce.

Pierce > Manu

[Goran Dragic]

he really shirked stepping up in the playoffs when the C's needed him.


Yeah if only he could step up as much for Boston as much as Manu stepped up for the Spurs in the playoffs last year.

[Goran Dragic]

Carmelo Anthony per 36 minutes:
23.8 points, 7.1 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 44.3%, 3.1 turnovers

Beasley per 36 minutes:
20.1 points, 7.9 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 47.2%, 2.2 turnovers

Beasley = Anthony because he'd be the same player if he got as many minutes.

[cobbler]

per 36 minute stats:
Pierce:
19.7 points, 5.4 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 45.7%, 2.7 turnovers

Manu:
20.8 points, 5.3 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 45.4%, 2.7 turnovers


Per minute, they're pretty much the same player, but that doesn't mean Manu = Pierce, that means in order for Manu to play with as much efficiency as Pierce, he needs to come off the bench and play less minutes per game because he can't maintain the same efficiency as long as Pierce.

Pierce > Manu

They both have seen better days and will not even sniff another LOB in thier careers.

[BlackBellamy]

Per minute, they're pretty much the same player, but that doesn't mean Manu = Pierce, that means in order for Manu to play with as much efficiency as Pierce, he needs to come off the bench and play less minutes per game because he can't maintain the same efficiency as long as Pierce.

Pierce > Manu

No, Manu comes off our bench because our starting five scoring option gets too crowded and the second team for the Spurs has been either lacking scoring strength or has sucked shit all together. Manu also plays the point a good amount of time on second team, and he can create his own shot. Anyways, you have decent points to validate your opinion, but my point was not to determine who between Manu or Pierce is better, it's simply to say that who is better is debatable. Officially Manu is a guard and Pierce is a forward anyways.

[KidCongo]

All this proves is how good LeBron is at 1v5

[KidCongo]

Also I'm a fan of a closing line-up that has 3pt shooters to space the floor for their star. The magic is the most scary to me, but maybe that's because of past horrors.

[Spursfan092120]

They both have seen better days and will not even sniff another LOB in thier careers.
Yeah..you honestly think the Spurs or Celtics will not win another title before Pierce and Manu retire? Wow...just wow..

[mystargtr34]

I love Manu, but Paul Pierce is better.

[LnGrrrR]

Sadly, I think he lost a LOT last year. That's the only reason I say Manu > Pierce, because I think Manu still has that explosiveness. Pierce might prove me wrong and go off again this year, but he really shirked stepping up in the playoffs when the C's needed him. Rondo was better in every aspect of the game in the 09 playoffs.

I think it's because he really put alot of energy out in closing the season strong, because he assumed KG would be coming back for the playoffs. Like you said, he's getting older, and I think he was just gassed. He had a huge lack of elevation on his shots in the Bulls series... to the point where that's not age per se, but exhaustion.

[mystargtr34]

I would say the Celtics have the best closing 5, if only because we have seen what they can do, especially defensively. There's no doubt the Spurs will be much improved, and i think their line up definately has the potential to be the best of the three, but the Celts are the safer bet for now.

[23LeBronJames23]

I would say the Celtics have the best closing 5, if only because we have seen what they can do, especially defensively. There's no doubt the Spurs will be much improved, and i think their line up definately has the potential to be the best of the three, but the Celts are the safer bet for now.

agreed..

[Brazil]

I would say the Celtics have the best closing 5, if only because we have seen what they can do, especially defensively. There's no doubt the Spurs will be much improved, and i think their line up definately has the potential to be the best of the three, but the Celts are the safer bet for now.

I agree but the poll says on paper, for me on paper the spurs ending five is better than the celtics now of course it will depend on team chemistry, how RJ will perform in spurs system and the intensity level he will put on D, I'm not worried by Dice, he will be just fine.

[Chieflion]

I voted for the Celtics. That team can lock down and play some defense and has Ray Allen and Paul Pierce who can make good decisions with the ball and hit clutch shots.