Spurs' new contracts details

[Bruno]

Sham got the specifics about Spurs new contracts, he is usually very accurate on that:

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/spurs.jsp
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/notes/spurs.htm

Antonio McDyess:
09-10: $4,500,000
10-11: $4,860,000
11-12: $5,220,000
Third year is $2,640,000 guaranteed until July 1st 2011. 10% trade kicker

Malik Hairston:
09-10: $736,420
10-11: $854,389
First year $50K guaranteed. Second year fully unguaranteed.

DeJuan Blair:
09-10: $850,000
10-11: $918,000
11-12: $986,000
12-13: $1,054,000
Third year $500K guaranteed. Fourth year fully unguaranteed until November 1st 2012.

Ratliff signed as reported a 1 year min contract (with a big part paid by the league). Haislip signed a two years min contract.

Some remarks:

- I'm going to update the salaries info in the Think Tank forum later this week but I think these infos are worth a thread.

-Spurs have been able to sign Blair and McDyess to damn good deals.

[DPG21920]

They stole McDyess. I am sure he had better offers, but this shows he wanted to be with the Spurs imo.

Yes, Haislip is not longer the financial "lock" to make the team anymore. He is only guaranteed so little that if someone clearly out plays him or a trade presents itself, they will have an easy time letting him go financially.

[Solid D]

Thanks for posting this info, Bruno! My initial negative reaction to the Haislip signing last month was strictly based on $ risk. The make-good or near make-good type contract made sense then and more so, now. This is a win-win scenario for every contract listed here!

[Muser]

Wow, Dice was an absolute steal.

[honestfool84]

Wow, Dice was an absolute steal.

'scuse my naiveness, but what was the dollar worth of Dice on the market?

[timvp]

Thanks for the info. Nice finds :tu


Antonio McDyess:
09-10: $4,500,000
10-11: $4,860,000
11-12: $5,220,000
Third year is $2,640,000 guaranteed until July 1st 2011. 10% trade kicker

That is pretty damn close to the numbers I posted a few weeks ago.


2009-10: $4,510,000
2010-11: $4,690,000
2011-12: $2,500,000

With the third year having another $2,500,000 in unguaranteed money.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3563262&postcount=86


It's pretty damn surprising that the Spurs got McDyess for such a cheap price. The Spurs traded away Kurt Thomas and got McDyess for not that much more money. Very nice work by the FO :tu


Marcus Haislip:
09-10: $855,189
10-11: $915,852
First year $50K guaranteed. Second year fully unguaranteed.

Wow. Haislip went from making the LLE, to the minimum to just $50K. This changes a lot because with a contract that cheap, there's no guarantee the Spurs even have to keep him. That's about as much money as training fodder players get.

So now we know Haislip has to fight for a job in training camp. There must have been absolutely no interest in him from other NBA teams because that's pretty damn bad contract to agree to sign.

The Spurs may now decide to invite Gist and have Gist and Haislip battle it out for one spot.


DeJuan Blair:
09-10: $850,000
10-11: $918,000
11-12: $986,000
12-13: $1,054,000
Third year $500K guaranteed. Fourth year fully unguaranteed until November 1st 2012.Damn, only $2,268,000 guaranteed? And the Spurs have until into the season in 2012 to guarantee the final year? That's another damn good contract from the Spurs' point of view.

That contract is pretty close to the one I guessed . . .


2009-10: $856,000
2010-11: $925,000
2011-12: $993,000
2012-13: $1,061,000

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565308&postcount=171

. . . but I that third year being only partially guaranteed is surprising.



The front office deserves props for the contracts they handed out this summer. McDyess for basically $4 million a year plus a tradeable final year is a steal. Blair locked up on a cheap contract with less than $2.3 million guaranteed is a steal. On top of that they get a free looks at Haislip, Williams and Hairston in training camp.

:tu

[benefactor]

Wow...both Blair's and Haislip's contracts are very surprising. I guess we don't have 7 bigs locked up after all. :tu

[Spurs Brazil]

FO did a very good job.

Now that we have 6 bigs with guaranteed deals, Haislip will have to play very well to make Pop carry 7 big guys

[Darkwaters]

Wow, I'm surprised by a lot of those numbers. All and all I agree that the FO did a great job locking up some talent for very little.

I wonder if Haislip didn't have any offers or if he really thought that SA would be a great place to be? Playing for a contender next to TD is a big deal. But when he signed the team really only had Duncan, Bonner, Mahinmi and Blair (An old savvy vet, a questionable vet, an unproven "rookie", an unproven rookie with bad knees). I can see where he might see the possibility to carve out a niche rather than just be depth for another team. I hope hes good enough.

[angelbelow]

Nice, McDyess wow..

[PBEEZY]

Major props to the FO, very savvy steals on their part :toast :flag::lobt:

[timtonymanurich]

The Spurs must have seen great potential in Marcus Haislip and Ian Mahinmi to get them on board and especially for the price! I LOVE this part of being a Spurs fan! Our F.O. is birddoggin all over the Globe for the next 'X' factor and the silent killer! And with Pop declaring that if they DON'T win the Championship this year that he should be fired...? That says something about our team FO and Coaching Staff. I can't WAIT!!

[lurker23]

'scuse my naiveness, but what was the dollar worth of Dice on the market?

There was a lot of talk that Dice's price was very similar to Rasheed Wallace, which was the full mid-level exception. According to ShamSports, here's the contract Sheed got:

2009-10: $5,854,000
2010-11: $6,322,320
2011-12: $6,790,640 (player option)

Notes:

Rasheed Wallace: Signed a three year contract for the full value of the Mid Level Exception ($18,966,960) in July 2009. Contract has a 15% trade kicker.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/notes/celtics.htm

[honestfool84]

There was a lot of talk that Dice's price was very similar to Rasheed Wallace, which was the full mid-level exception. According to ShamSports, here's the contract Sheed got:

2009-10: $5,854,000
2010-11: $6,322,320
2011-12: $6,790,640 (player option)

Notes:

Rasheed Wallace: Signed a three year contract for the full value of the Mid Level Exception ($18,966,960) in July 2009. Contract has a 15% trade kicker.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/notes/celtics.htm


:wow


thank you. :tu

[Bruno]

If Gist doesn't want to go in Europe, he will be at Spurs training camp. He said before the draft that he will be in SA this year and he hasn't signed with an European team. So there is a good chance he will try to make Spurs roster.

I can see Mahinmi, Gist and Haislip fighting for one spot. Mahinmi contract is guaranteed but if he doesn't play well in training camp, his 2010-2011 option won't be picked and Spurs could dump him like they did with Beno to save some money. Spurs could decide to keep a second one among Mahinmi, Gist and Haislip if two players do very well in training camp but it doesn't look like the most likely scenario.

[Dr Cox]

a great offseason from one of the best FO in sports!!! good job!

[SpursWench21]

a great offseason from one of the best FO in sports!!! good job!


+1 These deals look great! I just hope Haislip ends up on the team, from what ive seen (which is only youtube vids unfortunately), i really think this guy can bring something special to our team..

As an above poster mentioned about the FO incredible ability to birddog great players around the world, I sure hope this becomes another fine example. Good luck in training camp Haislip, im rootin for ya buddy:flag:

[kace]

The Haislip contract is a very good news IMO. I never thought he could be useful for us and i really wouldn't want him taking a spot from the others 6 bigs we have.

[kbrury]

I'm still rooting for Haislip, just to turn down the money he was making in Europe for 50k shows what this means to him. I think he will try his hardest during TC and succeed.

[Knoxxx]

Great job Bruno. I'd love to see Haislip pan out. No doubt his highlights are impressive, that's why they call them highlights, the question is how consistent he can be to avoid getting in the Pop doghouse never to return...

[kace]

I'm still rooting for Haislip, just to turn down the money he was making in Europe for 50k shows what this means to him. I think he will try his hardest during TC and succeed.

i don't question his heart, but his talent. i can't see anything he could do better than the others bigs we have. we'll see.

[raspsa]

Boston's investment in Wallace potentially almost $19M vs Spurs' commitment of $12M for McDyess.. Spurs got the better player who fits their system and at a bargain price too.. you know, its almost eerie the way things have fallen into place. The RJ trade, Blai falling into the Spurs lap, a great summer league showing by GH, Ian and Blair, intriguing potential of Haislip and Williams.. what's next?

[ohmwrecker]

James Gist is not making this team! What is wrong with you people?

[benefactor]

I saw some of these numbers earlier today and was a little surprised.

I just want to be sure I have the numbers right. We gave McDyess around 4.5 million of the MLE and then used some of the remaining MLE to sign Blair so the Spurs still have the Full LLE? is that right?
That is correct.

[peskypesky]

Boston's investment in Wallace potentially almost $19M vs Spurs' commitment of $12M for McDyess.. Spurs got the better player who fits their system and at a bargain price too.. you know, its almost eerie the way things have fallen into place. The RJ trade, Blai falling into the Spurs lap, a great summer league showing by GH, Ian and Blair, intriguing potential of Haislip and Williams.. what's next?

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[Danny.Zhu]

I saw some of these numbers earlier today and was a little surprised.

I just want to be sure I have the numbers right. We gave McDyess around 4.5 million of the MLE and then used some of the remaining MLE to sign Blair so the Spurs still have the Full LLE? is that right?

May I ask that how can you tell Spurs used the remaining MLE to sign Blair? I don't understand the rules on this part.

[angelbelow]

There was a lot of talk that Dice's price was very similar to Rasheed Wallace, which was the full mid-level exception. According to ShamSports, here's the contract Sheed got:

2009-10: $5,854,000
2010-11: $6,322,320
2011-12: $6,790,640 (player option)

Notes:

Rasheed Wallace: Signed a three year contract for the full value of the Mid Level Exception ($18,966,960) in July 2009. Contract has a 15% trade kicker.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/notes/celtics.htm

Wow, I didn't know his contract was THAT bad.

[loveforthegame]

Haislip's contract is the most interesting.

Most of us assumed he was a lock for the team but it doesn't look that way at all. If he doesn't pan out then it's a good bet they hold on to Bonner.

[Solid D]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130491&page=16


All this Haislip hype is unbelievable. A new low has been reached.


Any recent Haislip scouting report from Solid D? Do you think he is worth the LLE? :)

I'm trying to find some game footage to give a non-YouTube scouting report.


I saw him play once this year and he is better than he was 3-4 years ago but I don't know if he would be able to defend the Scolas, Nowitzkis or even the Brandon Bass' of the NBA world. I would sign him to a make-good and see how he plays in camp/pre-season if I were RC.


I'll assume you don't agree with his 2-year, $4M contract then :hat


Exactly.

[Danny.Zhu]

And I just want to mention that it's still too early to judge.

If Celtics won the championship next season, the Rasheed signing still >>>>>>>>>> Dyess signing.

[jb4g]

^^^^which means we still have the lle to sign Bowen.

haha...i keed i keed

[Riverwalkman]

Wow, I didn't know his contract was THAT bad.
I'm feeling way too damn good that we divided MLE signing Blair and Dice with some partially-guaranteed years.

[lurker23]

May I ask that how can you tell Spurs used the remaining MLE to sign Blair? I don't understand the rules on this part.


Second round picks do not have a rookie scale. So they are basically free agents in which case the team that drafted him has his NBA rights. Moat players take the min. But since Blair is making more than the min. He must have either dipped into the LLE or the remaining MLE. Now if the Spurs were under the cap they could sign second round draft picks with that money instead.

I'm posting on my phone so my thoughts are not as in order as I would like but I hope I answered your question.

To expand, if second round picks get more than the minimum salary, that money must come from either cap space, the MLE, or the LLE. The Spurs have no cap space, so that is not an option. The LLE can only be used for contracts up to 2 years in length, and since Blair signed a 4-year contract, the money must have come from the MLE.

[Riverwalkman]

To expand, if second round picks get more than the minimum salary, that money must come from either cap space, the MLE, or the LLE. The Spurs have no cap space, so that is not an option. The LLE can only be used for contracts up to 2 years in length, and since Blair signed a 4-year contract, the money must have come from the MLE.
Nice exposition.

[Seventyniner]

McDyess + Blair still isn't the full MLE, surprisingly. If these figures are correct, there's still $500K of the MLE left. This means the Spurs have about $1M more in cash (not cap space) than we thought they would, due to the luxury tax.

McDyess and Blair were steals for those prices, IMO, especially Blair. The 50% guarantee on McDyess in 2011-2012 will make that contract very tradeable. Great work, FO! And thanks to Bruno and ShamSports for the info!

[Bruno]

Sham has changed his notes.
The player who has $50K guaranteed is Hairston and not Haislip.
Haislip with $50K guaranteed was really surprising.

IMO, Haislip salary is fully guaranteed.

[kbrury]

That makes more sense financially for Haislip.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Sham has changed his notes.
The player who has $50K guaranteed is Hairston and not Haislip.

:lol

[Danny.Zhu]

To expand, if second round picks get more than the minimum salary, that money must come from either cap space, the MLE, or the LLE. The Spurs have no cap space, so that is not an option. The LLE can only be used for contracts up to 2 years in length, and since Blair signed a 4-year contract, the money must have come from the MLE.

Thank you guys. :toast

[Danny.Zhu]

We do have the LLE to sign Bowen, what we lack is the roster spot. I guess we could straight up cut Williams.

Hope so.