Pick the best right now: Tim vs Dirk

[DAF86]

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Who is the better player right now?

[Muser]

I have to go with Tim.

[sribb43]

The poll asks right now, so Dirk....best career TD

[JustBlaze]

Give me Tim.

[LnGrrrR]

I'd go Tim... mainly because he can play center. There's more scorers in this league than centers, which makes Tim slightly more valuable.

[z0sa]

Tim.

[redzero]

Dirk for the lulz.

[dirk4mvp]

Dirk's clearly better now, but homers will cast their vote with silver and black glasses on.

[Summers]

Dirk's clearly better now, but homers will cast their vote with silver and black glasses on.

I'm glad we don't have any Mav homers in this forum. :)

[in2deep]

Dirk's clearly better now, but homers will cast their vote with silver and black glasses on.

:lmao

[dirk4mvp]

Took his place on the all nba 1st team and send his ass packing. I think we know who's better.

[dirk4mvp]

:lmao

:lmao

[Summers]

Dirk for the lulz.

Yeah, but Tim is funny on purpose. Plus he doesn't have weird baby-mama-in-jail issues. (Oh, yeah, I sure did.)

[rAm]

Dirk's clearly better now, but homers will cast their vote with silver and black glasses on.

Better at what? Shooting? Running Layups?

I will take everything else that Duncan does over a 7 foot guard.

[dirk4mvp]

Better at what? Shooting? Running Layups?

I will take everything else that Duncan does over a 7 foot guard.

Well you like being wrong then. Being right isn't for everybody.

[IronMexican]

Dirk can lead his team past Duncan's.

[in2deep]

:lmao


http://fresherthan.com/fishr/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/crystal-taylor-mug-shot.jpg


:lmao :lmao

[rAm]

Well you like being wrong then. Being right isn't for everybody.

What does that even mean? Try refuting what I said instead of a pocket response.

[dirk4mvp]

http://fresherthan.com/fishr/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/crystal-taylor-mug-shot.jpg


:lmao :lmao

:lmao :lmao :lmao

http://blog.taragana.com/n/nowitzki-scores-31-mavericks-eliminate-spurs-with-106-93-road-victory-43330/

[z0sa]

Took his place on the all nba 1st team and send his ass packing. I think we know who's better.

At scoring, right now? Dirk. Everything else, Timmy. Timmy is still a great scorer, as well, but just doesn't need to carry a team like Dirk must for the Mavs to sniff the playoffs.

[JustBlaze]

Yo ram whose dat in your siggy?

[dirk4mvp]

I'll take the guy who'll actually be 100% next season.

[La Peace]

Well you like being wrong then. Being right isn't for everybody.

:lol

[redzero]

After looking at Jaric and Stojakovic's wives, Dirk's girlfriend is quite... lacking. Europeans should be marrying super models. Dirk's got to step his game up.

[rAm]

Yo ram whose dat in your siggy?

This Argentinean chick named Rocio Guiaro Diaz... pretty much the nicest ass in the world

[IronMexican]

Inspuhrashinz brahhhhh:


1OmE3B-s8ow

[dirk4mvp]

After looking at Jaric and Stojakovic's wives, Dirk's girlfriend is quite... lacking. Europeans should be marrying super models. Dirk's got to step his game up.

It seems like the supermodels go for the shitty euros.

[Thompson]

Dirk's probably a little better on offense now, but Duncan is good at both ends of the court. That and he doesn't choke like Dirk (sporadically) does.

[Texas_Ranger]

Wasn't Tim better than Dirk like 3 months ago, and the guy was playing at 70%.

[dirk4mvp]

Wasn't Tim better than Dirk like 3 months ago, and the guy was playing at 70%.

No.

[Hornets1]

Apples and Oranges on these guys, however I gave Dirk a slight edge as of RIGHT NOW.

[Phillip]

lol spurfan board

dirk is better

duncan's defense/rebounding isnt NEARLY as good as it used to be, and gets overrated quite often just due to his great body of work though his career

[JustBlaze]

Dirk's probably a little better on offense now, but Duncan is good at both ends of the court. That and he doesn't choke like Dirk (sporadically) does.
Dirks not the one that chokes(well not many times anyways), it's the shitty supporting cast that's around him who manages to do so on many occasions.

[z0sa]

duncan's defense/rebounding isnt NEARLY as good as it used to be, and gets overrated quite often just due to his great body of work though his career


Tim had multiple gamesaving blocks (ie in the last minute of a close game) just last season. Has Dirk ever had one of those?

[rAm]

lol spurfan board

dirk is better

duncan's defense/rebounding isnt NEARLY as good as it used to be, and gets overrated quite often just due to his great body of work though his career

lol mavfan on spurfan board

even if his defense/rebounding isn't NEARLY as good as it used to be, it is still better than dirk's ever was

[Muser]

In fact discount my vote, after research on Dirks stats I'm gonna pick him, add one to w/e Dirks is and take one from timmy.

[nkdlunch]

Until Dirky leads his team to at least 1 title, he really doesn't even deserve to be in the same sentence as Mr. Duncan.

[Texas_Ranger]

No.

Wrong!

Duncan: 19,8 pts., 8 reb., 3,2 ast., 1,2blk. in 32,8 min.

Nowitzki:19,2 pts., 8,6 reb., 2,2. ast., 0,6 blk. in 37,2 min.

Tim aslo shot 53% what's 4% better than Dirk.

Tim 70% > Dirk

[JustBlaze]

Wrong!

Duncan: 19,8 pts., 8 reb., 3,2 ast., 1,2blk. in 32,8 min.

Nowitzki:19,2 pts., 8,6 reb., 2,2. ast., 0,6 blk. in 37,2 min.

Tim aslo shot 53% what's 4% better than Dirk.

Tim 70% > Dirk
Owned.:lol

[rAm]

Wrong!

Duncan: 19,8 pts., 8 reb., 3,2 ast., 1,2blk. in 32,8 min.

Nowitzki:19,2 pts., 8,6 reb., 2,2. ast., 0,6 blk. in 37,2 min.

Tim aslo shot 53% what's 4% better than Dirk.

Tim 70% > Dirk

owned

[nkdlunch]

Wrong!

Duncan: 19,8 pts., 8 reb., 3,2 ast., 1,2blk. in 32,8 min.

Nowitzki:19,2 pts., 8,6 reb., 2,2. ast., 0,6 blk. in 37,2 min.

Tim aslo shot 53% what's 4% better than Dirk.

Tim 70% > Dirk

:owned

[redzero]

Inspuhrashinz brahhhhh:


1OmE3B-s8ow

DeSagana Diop = Greatest of All Time

[dirk4mvp]

Wrong!

Duncan: 19,8 pts., 8 reb., 3,2 ast., 1,2blk. in 32,8 min.

Nowitzki:19,2 pts., 8,6 reb., 2,2. ast., 0,6 blk. in 37,2 min.

Tim aslo shot 53% what's 4% better than Dirk.

Tim 70% > Dirk

Are you comparing stats from a series where Dirk was double teamed and deferring to Barea and Bass because they were raping your team?


I also forgot who got voted to the nba 1st team this year. Can you tell me?


lol at spurfan complaing about Duncan being 70%. When's the last time he was 100%, 4 years ago?

[Phillip]

lol mavfan on spurfan board

even if his defense/rebounding isn't NEARLY as good as it used to be, it is still better than dirk's ever was

defense, sure. rebounding? not so sure. Dirk is a massively underrated rebounder, and the only reason his numbers arent higher is mainly because he lacks offensive rebounds due to playing more on the perimeter. also he has been on good rebounding teams for most of his career, so he hasnt needed to go for them as much either. but always come playoff time, he is always in there getting 13-14 boards a game. he judges rebounds as well as anyone, and often beats out some of the best rebounders around because he is so good at his timing, as opposed to relying on height an athleticism. he secures them extremely well too. of course spurfans like yourself wont want to hear that though, but anyone that watches him closely, knows he is a hell of a rebounder.


Until Dirky leads his team to at least 1 title, he really doesn't even deserve to be in the same sentence as Mr. Duncan.

you truly are the worst poster on the board. and your avatar makes you even more obnoxious for some reason.

(cue in the "link?" reply, because hes too stupid to think for himself)

[dirk4mvp]

you truly are the worst poster on the board. and your avatar makes you even more obnoxious for some reason.

(cue in the "link?" reply, because hes too stupid to think for himself)

He pretty much is the worst poster. He perpetually has a dick in his ear and waits for other spurfans to help him out before chiming in.

[nkdlunch]

you truly are the worst poster on the board. and your avatar makes you even more obnoxious for some reason.

(cue in the "link?" reply, because hes too stupid to think for himself)

pathetic response. but what can I expect from a mavfan. What accomplishment has Dirk lead his team to again?

[Hornets1]

Over/under is .5 as far as mavs fans voting for duncan and spurs fans voting for dirk. I'm going to take the under...........

[nkdlunch]

He pretty much is the worst poster. He perpetually has a dick in his ear and waits for other spurfans to help him out before chiming in.

still hurt from the ownage?

[dirk4mvp]

still hurt from the ownage?

Your first post in this thread, which right off the bat clearly shows the entire thread topic has went over your head.


Until Dirky leads his team to at least 1 title, he really doesn't even deserve to be in the same sentence as Mr. Duncan.

[nkdlunch]

Your first post in this thread, which right off the bat clearly shows the entire thread topic has went over your head.

and this post shows how badly you got owned in here.


Wrong!

Duncan: 19,8 pts., 8 reb., 3,2 ast., 1,2blk. in 32,8 min.

Nowitzki:19,2 pts., 8,6 reb., 2,2. ast., 0,6 blk. in 37,2 min.

Tim aslo shot 53% what's 4% better than Dirk.

Tim 70% > Dirk

surprised you still in here. must like getting abused

[dirk4mvp]

Looks like my comment was true.


I've already answered that post, but you're too busy riding that guy's nuts to see.



He pretty much is the worst poster. He perpetually has a dick in his ear and waits for other spurfans to help him out before chiming in.

[nkdlunch]

Looks like my comment was true.


I've already answered that post, but you're too busy riding that guy's nuts to see.

LOL at ignoring the ownage.

[BadOdor]

pathetic response. but what can I expect from a mavfan. What accomplishment has Dirk lead his team to again?

English, motherfucker, can you read it?

This thread is about comparing them NOW. Unless you think duncan is better that howard NOW just because howard doesn't have any rings?

[dirk4mvp]

English, motherfucker, can you read it?


No he can't. He's pretty good at riding nuts tho.

[cheguevara]

Wrong!

Duncan: 19,8 pts., 8 reb., 3,2 ast., 1,2blk. in 32,8 min.

Nowitzki:19,2 pts., 8,6 reb., 2,2. ast., 0,6 blk. in 37,2 min.

Tim aslo shot 53% what's 4% better than Dirk.

Tim 70% > Dirk

:lmao :lmao

:lobt2:

[rAm]

English, motherfucker, can you read it?

This thread is about comparing them NOW. Unless you think duncan is better that howard NOW just because howard doesn't have any rings?

English, motherfucker, can you read it?

It's Dirk we are talking about not Howard.

Don't try and own someone in a post that just shows how much of a retard you are.

[nkdlunch]

English, motherfucker, can you read it?

This thread is about comparing them NOW. Unless you think duncan is better that howard NOW just because howard doesn't have any rings?

Duncan obviously knows how to lead a team to a championship. Dirk still doesn't. That is as of right now, thus (right now) Duncan > Dirk. you dumb motherfucker

[BadOdor]

Duncan obviously knows how to lead a team to a championship. Dirk still doesn't. That is as of right now, thus (right now) Duncan > Dirk. you dumb motherfucker

Tell me, who is better as of NOW, Howard or Duncan?

[BadOdor]

English, motherfucker, can you read it?

It's Dirk we are talking about not Howard.

Don't try and own someone in a post that just shows how much of a retard you are.

lol spurs fans not getting the point.

[rAm]

defense, sure. rebounding? not so sure. Dirk is a massively underrated rebounder, and the only reason his numbers arent higher is mainly because he lacks offensive rebounds due to playing more on the perimeter. also he has been on good rebounding teams for most of his career, so he hasnt needed to go for them as much either. but always come playoff time, he is always in there getting 13-14 boards a game. he judges rebounds as well as anyone, and often beats out some of the best rebounders around because he is so good at his timing, as opposed to relying on height an athleticism. he secures them extremely well too. of course spurfans like yourself wont want to hear that though, but anyone that watches him closely, knows he is a hell of a rebounder.


Dirk may be an underrated rebounder, but you still have not proven why that makes him better than Duncan. He plays out on the perimeter because that is where _irk operates and where he belongs.... not in the same sentence as Duncan.

[sonic21]

Dirk is better right now

[nkdlunch]

Tell me, who is better as of NOW, Howard or Duncan?

as of NOW, you are acting like a retard. no wonder you are pinked

[Texas_Ranger]

Are you comparing stats from a series where Dirk was double teamed and deferring to Barea and Bass because they were raping your team?


I also forgot who got voted to the nba 1st team this year. Can you tell me?


lol at spurfan complaing about Duncan being 70%. When's the last time he was 100%, 4 years ago?

Yea, and Tim was never double teamed.
Oh poor Dirk, did Matt Booner make him cry.

Oh my god Dirk was on the first team..WAWAWIWA, lets make a party!

Yes, 4 years ago.

Oh and I forgot, how many rings do the Mavs have??

[jacobdrj]

Tim can anchor a defense. Defense wins championships. Oh, and he can give you 20 ppg at 50%+ field goal percentage...

Dirk is awesome, but I'll take Tim.

[BadOdor]

as of NOW, you are acting like a retard. no wonder you are pinked

lol ignoring the question.

Tell me spursfan, would you pick duncan over lebron NOW, because lebron didn't lead his team to a title?

lol dumbass.

[dirk4mvp]

Oh and I forgot, how many rings do the Mavs have??

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[rAm]

lol spurs fans not getting the point.

Way to bring Howard into a thread that has nothing to do with Howard. Comparing Howard and Duncan has nothing to do with comparing Duncan to Dirk. English Motherfucker.

We are talking about a 2 year difference (Dirk v Duncan) rather than a 9 year difference (Howard v Duncan). Dirk has had his whole career to choke and win nothing, and some people still create threads trying to justify Dirk as a contender with Duncan when he hasn't done shit.

Duncan is a better player than Dirk, get over it.

[dirk4mvp]

Duncan is a better player than Dirk, get over it.

proof? link?

[Phillip]

Dirk may be an underrated rebounder, but you still have not proven why that makes him better than Duncan. He plays out on the perimeter because that is where _irk operates and where he belongs.... not in the same sentence as Duncan.

Dirk led a group of teammates past Duncan's superior teammates more than once.

half the time on this board spurfans brag about how much better Manu, Parker, etc... is than Terry, Howard, etc... how much better their defense is, how much better their coaching is, how even without manu they are far superior because they play defense and have a better coach, yada yada yada... yet the Mavs keep beating the Spurs. why is that? Dirk.

Dirk > Duncan

[rAm]

proof? link?

Still waiting for a solid argument on Dirk's side. There have been plenty thus far for Duncan.

When comparing a player with 4 titles to a player with 0 titles, you need to prove not assume.

[BadOdor]

Way to bring Howard into a thread that has nothing to do with Howard. Comparing Howard and Duncan has nothing to do with comparing Duncan to Dirk. English Motherfucker.

We are talking about a 2 year difference (Dirk v Duncan) rather than a 9 year difference (Howard v Duncan). Dirk has had his whole career to choke and win nothing, and some people still create threads trying to justify Dirk as a contender with Duncan when he hasn't done shit.

Duncan is a better player than Dirk, get over it.

Right now, Dirk>Duncan.

Duncan coulden't lead his team past dirk despite having the home court:depressed

cue in "BUT BUT GINOBILI WAS INJUREDDDDD" butt hurt spurs fan.

[Phillip]

Way to bring Howard into a thread that has nothing to do with Howard. Comparing Howard and Duncan has nothing to do with comparing Duncan to Dirk. English Motherfucker.

We are talking about a 2 year difference (Dirk v Duncan) rather than a 9 year difference (Howard v Duncan). Dirk has had his whole career to choke and win nothing, and some people still create threads trying to justify Dirk as a contender with Duncan when he hasn't done shit.


lol, we are talking about right now. its been several years since duncan and the spurs won anything. its like saying MJ to this day, is still better than Kobe because of all his previous accolades. duncan has clearly declined in recent years, while Dirk is still playing at as high of a level as he ever has.

[redzero]

Still waiting for a solid argument on Dirk's side. There have been plenty thus far for Duncan.

When comparing a player with 4 titles to a player with 0 titles, you need to prove not assume.

But we're talking about the better player right now, so Timmy's pass titles should not be taken into account.

[rAm]

Dirk led a group of teammates past Duncan's superior teammates more than once.

half the time on this board spurfans brag about how much better Manu, Parker, etc... is than Terry, Howard, etc... how much better their defense is, how much better their coaching is, how even without manu they are far superior because they play defense and have a better coach, yada yada yada... yet the Mavs keep beating the Spurs. why is that? Dirk.

Dirk > Duncan

The spurs weren't going anywhere these playoffs, you beat us and then got owned. Congrats.

2006 is the only legit win you had over us, and it was in a series with horrible officiating along with Mav's only getting a second chance to beat us after a needless foul.

Congrats, did you win the ship either of those years? Negative.

[BadOdor]

Still waiting for a solid argument on Dirk's side. There have been plenty thus far for Duncan.

When comparing a player with 4 titles to a player with 0 titles, you need to prove not assume.

why do you keep bringing titles? this thread is about comparing two players Right Now. Titles have nothing to do with the fact that duncan is old and has tendonitis, while dirk is still close to his prime.

[BadOdor]

The spurs weren't going anywhere these playoffs, you beat us and then got owned. Congrats.

2006 is the only legit win you had over us, and it was in a series with horrible officiating along with Mav's only getting a second chance to beat us after a needless foul.

Congrats, did you win the ship either of those years? Negative.

lol butthurt spurs fan.

[dirk4mvp]

Still waiting for a solid argument on Dirk's side. There have been plenty thus far for Duncan.

When comparing a player with 4 titles to a player with 0 titles, you need to prove not assume.

Have you provided a solid argument? This thread's idea has also gone over your head.

[rAm]

But we're talking about the better player right now, so Timmy's pass titles should not be taken into account.

Why? so Mav fans can have something to be proud about? That Dirk is better than Duncan for 3 years at the end of his career? You can have that honor, you still haven't won shit, and won't win shit with Dirk.

Duncan is the better player, and always will be the better player?. Right now? OK say Dirk, but I would still rather have Duncan on my squad than a tongue flapping Nazi who hasn't proven anything.

[Phillip]

But we're talking about the better player right now, so Timmy's pass titles should not be taken into account.

its funny how these moron spurfans have so many double standards.

[sonic21]

i guess i'm the only spurs fan who chose dirk :oops

[redzero]

Why? so Mav fans can have something to be proud about? That Dirk is better than Duncan for 3 years at the end of his career? You can have that honor, you still haven't won shit, and won't win shit with Dirk.

Duncan is the better player, and always will be the better player?. Right now? OK say Dirk, but I would still rather have Duncan on my squad than a tongue flapping Nazi who hasn't proven anything.

:lol

[rAm]

Have you provided a solid argument? This thread's idea has also gone over your head.

You are great at picking apart posts and responding to the part you want to respond to, why don't you tackle the original argument yourself. Hypocrite.

[BadOdor]

Why? so Mav fans can have something to be proud about? That Dirk is better than Duncan for 3 years at the end of his career? You can have that honor, you still haven't won shit, and won't win shit with Dirk.

Duncan is the better player, and always will be the better player?. Right now? OK say Dirk, but I would still rather have Duncan on my squad than a tongue flapping Nazi who hasn't proven anything.

So you agree that dirk is better than duncan NOW?

Ok, should have just said so from the beginning.

[Phillip]

The spurs weren't going anywhere these playoffs, you beat us and then got owned. Congrats.

2006 is the only legit win you had over us, and it was in a series with horrible officiating along with Mav's only getting a second chance to beat us after a needless foul.

Congrats, did you win the ship either of those years? Negative.

this post here proves what an idiot you are and how butthurt you are, when you completely left the topic at hand to try to "insult" us over the mavs not winning a title.

gfy faggot

[Texas_Ranger]

proof? link?

Dirk Nowitzki:

All-Star Games
2002 NBA
2003 NBA
2004 NBA
2005 NBA
2006 NBA
2007 NBA
2008 NBA
2009 NBA

Awards
2006-07 NBA MVP

Honors
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)

Thats great!!

Tim Duncan:

All-Star Games
1998 NBA
2000 NBA
2001 NBA
2002 NBA
2003 NBA
2004 NBA
2005 NBA
2006 NBA
2007 NBA
2008 NBA
2009 NBA

Awards
1996-97 NCAA AP Player of the Year
1996-97 NCAA John R. Wooden Award
1996-97 NCAA Naismith Men's College Player of the Year Award
1997-98 NBA Rookie of the Year
1998-99 NBA Finals MVP
1999-00 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2001-02 NBA MVP
2002-03 NBA Finals MVP
2002-03 NBA MVP
2004-05 NBA Finals MVP
2004 Olympic bronze

Honors
1994-95 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1995-96 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1996-97 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1997-98 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1997-98 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1997-98 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
1998-99 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1998-99 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2000-01 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

Championships
1998/99
2002/03
2004/05
2006/07

Hmmm...Thats much better

Timmy also owned Dirk's ass this year in the playoffs, so TIM 70% is still better than Dirk!

[anonoftheinternets]

So you agree that dirk is better than duncan NOW?

Ok, should have just said so from the beginning.

why is this guys username pink? Is he retarded or something?

[dirk4mvp]

You are great at picking apart posts and responding to the part you want to respond to, why don't you tackle the original argument yourself. Hypocrite.

Picking apart posts? A spur fan created this thread. It says in the title and in the op what this thread is about. Are you retarded? Hypocrite.

[BadOdor]

why is this guys username pink? Is he retarded or something?

you mad?

lol 4-1.

[rAm]

this post here proves what an idiot you are and how butthurt you are, when you completely left the topic at hand to try to "insult" us over the mavs not winning a title.

gfy faggot

Nah, it was a response to Mav Fan's only claim of fame in beating the Spurs. You won in Game 7 in an OT that never should have happened. Congrats.

[Texas_Ranger]

you mad?

lol 4-1.

lol 4-0

you mad?

[Phillip]

:lmao

rAm gOt rAmmed up the ass with logic and reason and can't handle it now, so he resorts to ring smack

[dirk4mvp]

4 rings, faggot.

[Texas_Ranger]

4 rings, faggot.

:lmao:lmao

[rAm]

Picking apart posts? A spur fan created this thread. It says in the title and in the op what this thread is about. Are you retarded? Hypocrite.

Yes, picking apart posts. It might say it in the title and in the OP, but you obviously didn't read it, or have no answer to the arguments.

Why don't you go in a corner and think of a response to the OP instead of calling everyone who brings a valid argument into the discussion a retard. Retard.

[Phillip]

Timmy also owned Dirk's ass this year in the playoffs, so TIM 70% is still better than Dirk!

no. he didn't.

[BadOdor]

lol 4-0

you mad?

15 rings, faggot!

[rAm]

:lmao

rAm gOt rAmmed up the ass with logic and reason and can't handle it now, so he resorts to ring smack

ROFL at this, show me where I got owned.

[Texas_Ranger]

15 rings, faggot!

Why're you on the Mavs side faggot?

[rAm]

Still waiting for a solid argument on Dirk's side. There have been plenty thus far for Duncan.

When comparing a player with 4 titles to a player with 0 titles, you need to prove not assume.

You call this ring smack? I call this the motherfucking truth.

[dirk4mvp]

Yes, picking apart posts. It might say it in the title and in the OP, but you obviously didn't read it, or have no answer to the arguments.

Why don't you go in a corner and think of a response to the OP instead of calling everyone who brings a valid argument into the discussion a retard. Retard.

So a valid argument is that guy copying and pasting Tim Duncan's wiki page proving this thread has flew over every spur fans head who brings up 4 rings. It's ok. You're wrong and can be forgiven for not being good at reading comprehension.

[BadOdor]

ROFL at this, show me where I got owned.

You admitted that dirk is the betterp layer Now.

Then you brought in ring smack talk.

Then you called dirk a nazi.

Cried about 2006 officiating.

Son, you got rammed in the ass. Now run along.

[Phillip]

Nah, it was a response to Mav Fan's only claim of fame in beating the Spurs. You won in Game 7 in an OT that never should have happened. Congrats.

since you like whining of officiating, ill do the same, that it should have been over after game 5, and the only reason it went further is because Parker got away with a foul on Dirk at the last second when Dirk had a put-back opportunity, but Parker grabbed his jersey and pulled him away, making the shot miss.

die.

[Findog]

lol spurs fans not getting the point.

They're a real insecure bunch. I think it has something to do with being in a one-team town, the highest rates of obesity in the country, and San Antonio being a distant fourth to Austin, Dallas and Houston in terms of having stuff to do and wanting to actually live there.

[Hooks]

why do you keep bringing titles? this thread is about comparing two players Right Now. Titles have nothing to do with the fact that duncan is old and has tendonitis, while dirk is still close to his prime.


The fact that actually being ABLE to lead your team to a title is what separates guys like Duncan From Dirk.

Duncan can still lead his team to a title.


The Mavs will NEVER win a title with Dirk lol

[Phillip]

ROFL at this, show me where I got owned.

pull your head out of your ass and read the thread. you will see.

[Findog]

Who's better right now? A true tossup. You can make an argument for either guy.

Who's had the better career? Unquestionably Duncan.

[Findog]

Duncan can still lead his team to a title.


The Mavs will NEVER win a title with Dirk lol

Useless Conjecture. You don't seem to understand the subject of the thread very well.

[Texas_Ranger]

Who's better right now? A true tossup. You can make an argument for either guy.

Who's had the better career? Unquestionably Duncan.

Tim was better 3 months ago, he played 6 minutes less, he was playing injured, so Tim is better right now, just as he was always better.

[Findog]

Tim was better 3 months ago, he played 6 minutes less, he was playing injured, so Tim is better right now, just as he was always better.

The Mavericks pretty much played Duncan straight up in that series. The Spurs made a conscious choice to double and triple team Dirk and make Barea and Bass beat them. They did.

It's a tossup.

[rAm]

LOL @ all the posts above me on this page


You admitted that dirk is the betterp layer Now.

Then you brought in ring smack talk.

Then you called dirk a nazi.

Cried about 2006 officiating.

Son, you got rammed in the ass. Now run along.

Dirk is the better player now? If you want to say so, go for it, I will allow it. I don't think so, but hey if it makes Mav fans feel better about themselves than do it.

I didn't bring in ring smack, I stated that in comparing Dirk and Duncan you better have a damn good argument because of the differences in accomplishments between the two. It's called the truth.

Dirk is German, and like other Germans they are related too the Nazi's due to the Millions of Jews they killed.

There was no crying, it was a painful series to watch. It wasn't fun basketball, it was lets see what team comes out of this while a bunch of old fucks in black and white determine the course of history (the one downfall of the NBA).

Congrats on getting LO back, now your locker room will be continually stocked with Sour Patch Kids.

[024]

dirk is better on offense but duncan's rebounding, passing, and defense are better than drik's.

[Findog]

A tossup on offense maybe. Defense? It's without a doubt Duncan. Dirk has never played it. Therefore, Duncan >> Dirk.

Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about here. Dirk is by far the more dynamic scorer. Duncan is probably a hair's width better at rebounding. Duncan is also a much better defender, but Dirk's defense is not nearly as bad as his rep makes it out to be. He's come a long way as a defender.

[BadOdor]

Spurs fans just can't get over the fact they got owned fair and square by the mavs twice this decade. Dirk ran his nuts all over Duncan's face in 2006 - guess duncan's ring coulden't save him against dirk's ringless mug, huh?:(

Once duncan retires, spurs fan are in a rude awakening. They will find out that there is nothing special about their franchise. They tanked for the best power forward of time, that's all. The sad thing is, I bet at least 4 teams in this league would have gotten more out of tim. Hell, the pathetic spurs coulden't even get to back2back finals with the greatest power forward of time.

But anyway, once duncan retires, spurs will return to sucking, and all will be right. In 10 years from now, spur fans will be the new rocket fans, talking about their 4 rings from over a decade ago.

lol spurs.

[rAm]

Who's better right now? A true tossup. You can make an argument for either guy.

Who's had the better career? Unquestionably Duncan.

Thank you. That is the only real way to answer the OP's question.

[rAm]

Spurs fans just can't get over the fact they got owned fair and square by the mavs twice this decade. Dirk ran his nuts all over Duncan's face in 2006 - guess duncan's ring coulden't save him against dirk's ringless mug, huh?:(

Once duncan retires, spurs fan are in a rude awakening. They will find out that there is nothing special about their franchise. They tanked for the best power forward of time, that's all. The sad thing is, I bet at least 4 teams in this league would have gotten more out of tim. Hell, the pathetic spurs coulden't even get to back2back finals with the greatest power forward of time.

But anyway, once duncan retires, spurs will return to sucking, and all will be right. In 10 years from now, spur fans will be the new rocket fans, talking about their 4 rings from over a decade ago.

lol spurs.

Spurs have missed the playoff's twice? I believe in their entire history. kthx

[BadOdor]

Spurs have missed the playoff's twice? I believe in their entire history. kthx

Don't you spurs fan say that unless you win it, it doesn't if you lost in the first round or in the finals?

lol hypocrite spurs fans.

P.S good luck tanking for another hall of famer big.

[Texas_Ranger]

I can see Dirk better just at shooting, the guy really is a great outside shooter! But rebounding, blocking shots, passing, defending, post game... that are the things in which Tim is still better.
Dirk is one of mine favourite players in the NBA, but if I'd have to chose a player for a team, I'd still go with Timmy.

[Hooks]

Useless Conjecture. You don't seem to understand the subject of the thread very well.



So leadership doesn't count as who is better? Nowitzki hasn't done anything for his team even now. So Duncan>Dirk


Duncan's got:

Scoring, Leadership, Defense, passing ETC.

[BadOdor]

So leadership doesn't count as who is better? Nowitzki hasn't done anything for his team even now. So Duncan>Dirk


Duncan's got:

Scoring, Leadership, Defense, passing ETC.

And yet duncan got owned 4-1 by dirk in the playoffs last year:lol

Where were his scoring, leadership, defense and passing then?

[rAm]

Don't you spurs fan say that unless you win it, it doesn't if you lost in the first round or in the finals?


What the FUCK did you just say? Give it up homie.

[Spurz iN 09]

We have so many rings I don't even know I can count that far! That's a San Antonio education for ya.

[Muser]

People Dirk is better right now, face it.

[rAm]

And yet duncan got owned 4-1 by dirk in the playoffs last year:lol

Where were his scoring, leadership, defense and passing then?

Dirk lost 4 straight games in a Finals series where he was up 2-0.

Dirk's 1st seeded team lost 4-1 to an 8th seeded team.'

Duncan is 4-0 in the Finals.

[IronMexican]

Duncan is 2-4 all time vs the Lakers in the playoffs

[anonoftheinternets]

pointless thread ...

[rAm]

Kobe just tied Duncan's ring total

[Findog]

Actually, they 'zoned' Dirk up. He was NEVER triple teamed. Nice exaggeration. It's a popular scheme to throw at players. Post players don't get zoned up, that's common sense. And by your logic, if they're triple teaming Dirk, shouldn't he have had way more APG than Duncan? Especially if they were playing Duncan straight up the entire series, as you say. Which they weren't.

Dirk was magnificent in that series without putting up gaudy numbers. If you had watched the games, he made the correct decision just about every time. There's a reason JJ Barea, Brandon Bass and Josh Howard looked like the second coming of Magic, Worthy and Byron Scott and it's because of Dirk.

I don't care which player you say is better, the difference is very slight either way.

[Texas_Ranger]

And yet duncan got owned 4-1 by dirk in the playoffs last year:lol

Where were his scoring, leadership, defense and passing then?

Wrong!!

Head to head Dirk was the one who was owned!

[Findog]

So leadership doesn't count as who is better?

I take "leadership" into the equation, and I think it's a tossup as to who is better now.




Nowitzki hasn't done anything for his team even now.

That's one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read on this site. Yeah, Dirk is just another bum putting up #s like Zach Randolph.

[TD4THREE]

Spurs fans just can't get over the fact they got owned fair and square by the mavs twice this decade. Dirk ran his nuts all over Duncan's face in 2006 - guess duncan's ring coulden't save him against dirk's ringless mug, huh?You mean that series where Duncan averaged 32 points a game? :rolleyes I guess getting beat by the mavs twice is better than getting thrashed by the Steve Nash led suns two times in a row. :lmao

[BadOdor]

You mean that series where Duncan averaged 32 points a game? :rolleyes I guess getting beat by the mavs twice is better than getting thrashed by the Steve Nash led suns two times in a row. :lmao

4-2 head2head, faggot.

Spurs fans shoulden't talk smack to their daddies, laker and mavs fans:downspin:

[Findog]

pointless thread ...

pretty much, since people will start tearing down one to prop up the other. Stupid.

[Phillip]

You mean that series where Duncan averaged 32 points a game? :rolleyes I guess getting beat by the mavs twice is better than getting thrashed by the Steve Nash led suns two times in a row. :lmao

Who lost to Nash twice in a row?

EDIT: NVM I saw who you were talking to. I thought you meant the Mavs at first.

[IronMexican]

4-2 head2head, faggot.

Spurs fans shoulden't talk smack to their daddies, laker and mavs fans:downspin:

8-3 all-time, fagots.

[anonoftheinternets]

pretty much, since people will start tearing down one to prop up the other. Stupid.

honestly i never understood it... why it "has" to be that way...

[BadOdor]

8-3 all-time, fagots.

spurs team of the 2003-2007 decade, faggots.

[TD4THREE]

4-2 head2head, faggot.

Spurs fans shoulden't talk smack to their daddies, laker and mavs fans:downspin:lol So I guess this means the suns are the lakers daddies?:lol

[IronMexican]

honestly i never understood it... why it "has" to be that way...

I really don't like that either. It's like a Kobe vs MJ debate. It starts off as those two, then it becomes Drexler vs McGrady and people start knocking people from the different era's to boast about the player they are arguing for.

[TD4THREE]

Who lost to Nash twice in a row?the lakers in 06 and 07

[Texas_Ranger]

why the fuck are Lakers bitches in this thread. No one even mentioned the Lakers, but here they are... Go watch Kobe and jerk off you idiots.

[Texas_Ranger]

the lakers in 06 and 07

The Spurs defeated the Suns in 07

[rAm]

Dirk's clearly better now, but homers will cast their vote with silver and black glasses on.


Took his place on the all nba 1st team and send his ass packing. I think we know who's better.

These two posts are the only reason I responded to this thread, and the first one to "tear down" anything.

I didn't even vote in the poll because this argument has been rehashed so much even though the answer is so clear.

[dirk4mvp]

4 rings, faggot.

[BadOdor]

lol So I guess this means the suns are the lakers daddies?:lol

Absolutely.

[IronMexican]

You can't really argue that the Suns didn't own the Lakers in the playoffs in 2006 and 2007.

[dirk4mvp]

These two posts are the only reason I responded to this thread
I'm sure that kept you going for 6 pages :rolleyes

[BadOdor]

You can't really argue that the Suns didn't own the Lakers in the playoffs in 2006 and 2007.

only spurs fans resort to ring smack when confronted by being owned by the mavs. Every other fan base realizes that when a team owns you the last 2 times you face it in the playoffs, that team is your daddy.

[rAm]

I'm sure that kept you going for 6 pages :rolleyes

nah, your retarded responses along with other mav fans looking to "tear down one to prop up another" in order to justify why they are a fan of a team with no history did

[rAm]

only spurs fans resort to ring smack when confronted by being owned by the mavs. Every other fan base realizes that when a team owns you the last 2 times you face it in the playoffs, that team is your daddy.

Every other fan base? Are you the fucking arbiter of all things basketball? The lakers realizing anything about their team not being the fucking shit?

Get the fuck out of here.

[dirk4mvp]

nah, your retarded responses along with other mav fans looking to "tear down one to prop up another" in order to justify why they are a fan of a team with no history did

Or to prove that your reading comprehension is lacking. Either, or.

[rAm]

Or to prove that your reading comprehension is lacking. Either, or.

lol

[IronMexican]

only spurs fans resort to ring smack when confronted by being owned by the mavs. Every other fan base realizes that when a team owns you the last 2 times you face it in the playoffs, that team is your daddy.

Why else do you think you get the rape card or "Go jack off to Kobe pictures" when they talk to Laker fans? They are stumped. They don't have the rings to takl back, the head to head or recent playoff match-ups.

[MavDynasty]

Lakers are the Spurs daddy
Mavs are the Spurs daddy
Spurs are the Suns daddy
Bobcats are the Lakers daddy
Bucks are the Spurs daddy
Warriors/Heat are the Mavs daddy

etc.

[BadOdor]

Every other fan base? Are you the fucking arbiter of all things basketball? The lakers realizing anything about their team not being the fucking shit?

Get the fuck out of here.

you mad?

[MavDynasty]

Every other fan base? Are you the fucking arbiter of all things basketball? The lakers realizing anything about their team not being the fucking shit?

Get the fuck out of here.

you mad?

[IronMexican]

Every other fan base? Are you the fucking arbiter of all things basketball? The lakers realizing anything about their team not being the fucking shit?

Get the fuck out of here.

estas enojado?

[BadOdor]

Why else do you think you get the rape card or "Go jack off to Kobe pictures" when they talk to Laker fans? They are stumped. They don't have the rings to takl back, the head to head or recent playoff match-ups.

you underestimate the average spurs fan. Hell, some of them are still crying about the officiating in the 2006 series against the mavs. if you ask a spurs fan, the only reason they ever lose is because the nba is fixed/officiating/injury. But when they win, it's because they are so good that even stern can't stop them!!!

Poor spur fans, they thought they had the team of the decade wrapped up, but then the lakers made a comeback and took that away too....times must be hard for spurs fans.

[Allanon]

He pretty much is the worst poster. He perpetually has a dick in his ear and waits for other spurfans to help him out before chiming in.

It's hard to find the worst Spurfan here, but this would easily be him. I've learned he's just in it to troll non-spurfan, so I ignore his flawed logic.

[kamikazi_player]

Duncan, only because his defense is still much better Dirks while still getting pretty good touches on offense. Dirk has clearly better than him offensively. But when Dirk learns how to play consistent D, then he'll surpass Duncan right now.

[sook]

accidentally voted for dirk meant to vote for Duncan

[monosylab1k]

It's tough. Dirk's been owned by Ryan Bowen and Matt Barnes. Meanwhile, Duncan has been owned by every backup center the Mavs have ever had.

[Culburn369]

"Achtung, baby, achtung!!!!!!!!!!!"

Most decidedly Dirk. They're both relagated to [good players] status now, but, Dirk is just gooder. Tim has now moved so far from the cyclinder you have check uniforms & pigmentation to distinguish.

[hater]

LMAO at this thread.

not cause it's funny. just pathetic. can't wait for Nov 11 when we finally face each other

[Culburn369]

LMAO at this thread.

not cause it's funny. just pathetic. can't wait for Nov 11 when we finally face each other

Well, hater, that is what happens when you let some bottom dweller take your pants down in broad daylite. It makes you like a horse's ass.

You'll be ok, honeybun, just relax come 11/11 and don't fuck up.

LMAO!

[Brazil]

i guess i'm the only spurs fan who chose dirk :oops

you should be banned for that.

Oh and DAF thanks a lot for this new mavs / spurs debate :corn:

[hater]

Well, hater, that is what happens when you let some bottom dweller take your pants down in broad daylite. It makes you like a horse's ass.

You'll be ok, honeybun, just relax come 11/11 and don't fuck up.

LMAO!

STFU and enjoy my sig:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6173/jordanimn.jpg

[Double-Up]

Duncan, only because his defense is still much better Dirks while still getting pretty good touches on offense. Dirk has clearly better than him offensively. But when Dirk learns how to play consistent D, then he'll surpass Duncan right now.

Agreed.

[cheguevara]

Duncan, only because his defense is still much better Dirks while still getting pretty good touches on offense. Dirk has clearly better than him offensively. But when Dirk learns how to play consistent D, then he'll surpass Duncan right now.


knowledgeable fans like this one are few and far in between.

all this thread tells me is there are 19 mav/laker fans who opened this thread so far

[MB20]

Tim.

Dirk is a better scorer right now. I give you that.
But TD is a better defender, rebounder, shot blocker...passer? Leadership is also part of a player's talents, and Duncan >>> Dirk in that department.

And the reason the Mavs eliminated the Spurs last season was because Dallas was the better team. Not because Dirk is better than TD.

[anonoftheinternets]

1st half of last season, TD was actually considered to be in the running for MVP and i remember dirk struggling just a bit. I actually felt a bit bad for dirk at that time.

Once TDs knees got creaky towards end of season, it was obv Dirk by a long shot. As for the "right now" question, it totally depends on if TDs knees are back to beginning of season status or end of season status. I feel he should recover, coz he did a whole bunch of shit like throwing tires instead of resting. In which case my answer would be TD. But the gap has never been closer between TD, and Dirk/Gasol/KG.

[anonoftheinternets]

Also where are the rest of the polls DAF? Forum is getting dull with the same threads being rehashed.

[dirk4mvp]

1st half of last season, TD was actually considered to be in the running for MVP a



I'd like to see this please.

[resistanze]

If I could choose only between the two to start my team with this season, I'd still take TD (by a hair). I think the nature of how Duncan plays allows him to be plugged in on basically any team in the NBA with ease.

And LMAO @ 4 rings argument. WTF does that have to do with the thread?

[Brazil]

And LMAO @ 4 rings argument. WTF does that have to do with the thread?

You're new on this board ?

It's a tradition at every spurs mavs discussion spurs fans use the famous:

4 rings faggots
4 bagues salopes
4 aneis filho da puata
...

[Culburn369]

STFU and enjoy my sig:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6173/jordanimn.jpg

What, Kobe playing stinky finger with Artest? Artest wanted his attention more than anything..."Oh, Kobe, yer the greatest." "Oh, Kobe, I want to play on your team." "Oh, Kobe, Odom & I are precocious." "Oh."

[BUMP]

If u take Spur and Mav fans out of this poll the real total is

Dirk: 14

Duncan: 4

but we all knew Duncan was gonna win :lol

[duncan228]

...but we all knew Duncan was gonna win :lol

And I didn't vote. :)

[MavDynasty]

bump do your thing ;)

[Dex]

Glad to see this poll is staying objective. :rolleyes

Spur Fan rushes to Duncan's side.

Mav Fan rushes to Dirk's side.

Lakers Fan...kissing Mav Fan's butt?

I know that you guys are still upset about 2003, but let it go.

[anakha]

Duncan, if only because he has better taste in women.

[wijayas]

http://fresherthan.com/fishr/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/crystal-taylor-mug-shot.jpg


:lmao :lmao

love is blind....no matter how much money you have... :lmao

[23LeBronJames23]

Gasol vs Dirk? Would be more like a good match

[Culburn369]

Gasol vs Dirk? Would be more like a good match

GasolPERIOD

[dirk4mvp]

Gasol vs Dirk? Would be more like a good match

No it wouldn't. The only people who think Gasol is better is Charlie Rosen and laker fans who have went off the deep end.

[Culburn369]

No it wouldn't. The only people who think Gasol is better is Charlie Rosen and laker fans who have went off the deep end.

& anybody that got trampled in Florida when Dirk led the gang out the side door.

[MavDynasty]

Dirk is awesome and all but I dont know why he hit up that ugly bitch.

[Culburn369]

Dirk is awesome and all but I dont know why he hit up that ugly bitch.

Sometimes they're so gd ugly it turns ya on.

[23LeBronJames23]

No it wouldn't. The only people who think Gasol is better is Charlie Rosen and laker fans who have went off the deep end.

Well Duncan own dirk easily... its just that dirk cant really lead his team.

[Findog]

No it wouldn't. The only people who think Gasol is better is Charlie Rosen and laker fans who have went off the deep end.

:lol

very true

[Findog]

GasolPERIOD

All I know is that Dirk kicked Pau's teeth in the only time they met in the playoffs. And that Grizzly team was not bad. They were a 50-win team.

[Rogue]

Well Duncan own dirk easily... its just that dirk cant really lead his team.
wake me up when you start to learn what the "own" means and how to use it properly.

[dirk4mvp]

Way late in the game. The simple and plain answer in Tim. He is the better all around player and doesn't choke in the playoffs.




They playoff stats are pretty similar and I'm pretty sure Dirk is one of 8 players all time to avg. 25 and 10 in the playoffs, but ok.

[Ditty]

well if your talking about who is better all around player not just not scorer in which mavs fans are thinking then its defintley duncan even when he's injured he didn't outplay dirk this playoffs it was about the same IMO jsut dirk gets the advantaged becuase they won the seriesin which howard and that peiece of 5'8 piece of **** barrea killed us

duncan when he is at his best and plays i guess you can say healthy he is a top 5 overall player in the league

[mystargtr34]

Its pretty close right now. But i think you still want the guy who can protect the rim and rebound in traffic. Things that win you championships.

Dirk is great though.

[KSeal]

Right now, Dirk. Tim can barely walk anymore and it's only going to get worse.

[Culburn369]

Seal is correct here,,,Duncan comes off as "Grandpappy Amos" of the "The Real McCoys."

[mystargtr34]

Well if he's putting up 19-10-3-2 with 50% FG on one knee, Spurs fans can take solace from the fact that he has plenty left in the tank, especially if he gets back close to 100%.

Besides, as much as i love Dirk, Duncan in a wheelchair probably has more impact on a game defensively than Dirk has even when fully healthy.

[Phillip]

Well then lets go to the Dirk excuses, that he is putting up 25 and 9 and leading his team past duncan with fucked up ankles.

[Culburn369]

Well then lets go to the Dirk excuses, that he is putting up 25 and 9 and leading his team past duncan with fucked up ankles.

OUCH! Phil just put mystar next to Duncan in Tim's wheelchair.

[Findog]

Way late in the game. The simple and plain answer in Tim. He is the better all around player and doesn't choke in the playoffs.



Hmm, a guy who averages 25 and 10 for his career over 80-some playoff games and has won 9 series is a playoff "choker." Interesting.

[Findog]

Besides, as much as i love Dirk, Duncan in a wheelchair probably has more impact on a game defensively than Dirk has even when fully healthy.

Do you guys ever watch basketball? Dirk is NOT a bad defender. Bill Russell in his prime? No way, but he is NOT an active defensive liability.

[hater]

If u take Spur and Mav fans out of this poll the real total is

Dirk: 14

Duncan: 4

but we all knew Duncan was gonna win :lol

If you really wanna be fair, take the lakerfans out of this poll.

Final score:
Dirk: 1
Duncan: 4

[monosylab1k]

I dunno, Gana Diop & Ryan Hollins owned Tim Duncan pretty hard, and both of those guys are ruhtards.

And Dirk is not a good defender or even an average defender. He's a below average defender but not an atrociously bad defender. He's not "Dirk in 2003" bad or Amare bad.

[BUMP]

If you really wanna be fair, take the lakerfans out of this poll.

Final score:
Dirk: 1
Duncan: 4

SpurFan tries to find every technicality in the book. You guys would all make interesting lawyers.

Right now offensively Dirk>>>>>TD

and defensively Duncan gets a slight edge, he's really not that great anymore on that side let's be honest here. he gets by on reputation alone. Brandon Bass Barkley and Ryan "Unseld" Hollins dunking on Tim proves my logic right again

[hater]

SpurFan tries to find every technicality in the book. You guys would all make interesting lawyers.

Right now offensively Dirk>>>>>TD

and defensively Duncan gets a slight edge, he's really not that great anymore on that side let's be honest here. he gets by on reputation alone. Brandon Bass Barkley and Ryan "Unseld" Hollins dunking on Tim proves my logic right again

Even with that taken into consideration. the truth is:

- you pick Duncan and you immediately have a solid backcourt, a solid foundation for a team.
- you pick Dirk, you have instant offense but a hole in the backcourt the size of Dirks fiancee's vagina.

building a team around Duncan over Dirk is still the choice of 90% of GMs.

[BUMP]

Even with that taken into consideration. the truth is:

- you pick Duncan and you immediately have a solid backcourt, a solid foundation for a team.
- you pick Dirk, you have instant offense but a hole in the backcourt the size of Dirks fiancee's vagina.

building a team around Duncan over Dirk is still the choice of 99% of GMs.

We're talking about the best right now though. Earlier in Tim's day its a no brainer. But now he's a lot older, injury prone, and has some stamina issues. He doesn't have the ability to take over the game like Dirk can. He can do it occasionally when he gets hot. In game 3, when the Mavs were on their way to a route, he had a mere 4 points. I can't see Dirk going out like that.

[Summers]

I dunno, Gana Diop & Ryan Hollins owned Tim Duncan pretty hard, and both of those guys are ruhtards.

And Dirk is not a good defender or even an average defender. He's a below average defender but not an atrociously bad defender. He's not "Dirk in 2003" bad or Amare bad.

One great dunk does not equal ownage, especially when they were the only 2 points he scored that night. Great players get dunked on. It happens when they play defense.

[BUMP]

One great dunk does not equal ownage, especially when they were the only 2 points he scored that night. Great players get dunked on. It happens when they play defense.

Yeah because shutting down the dynamic duo of Erick Dampier and Ryan Hollins was the Spurs priority

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

[Findog]

Yeah because shutting down the dynamic duo of Erick Dampier and Ryan Hollins was the Spurs priority

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

You shut down Dampier, you shut down the Mavs. That's been the scouting report on Dallas for the last 5 years.

[hater]

We're talking about the best right now though. Earlier in Tim's day its a no brainer. But now he's a lot older, injury prone, and has some stamina issues. He doesn't have the ability to take over the game like Dirk can. He can do it occasionally when he gets hot. In game 3, when the Mavs were on their way to a route, he had a mere 4 points. I can't see Dirk going out like that.

yes. Right now. If youre building a team, 90% of GMs will pick the BIG MAN first. If your choice is Dirk or Duncan, 90% of Gms will pick Duncan. why?

because if they pick Dirk, they still need a BIG MAN.

[BUMP]

yes. Right now. If youre building a team, 90% of GMs will pick the BIG MAN first. If your choice is Dirk or Duncan, 90% of Gms will pick Duncan. why?

because if they pick Dirk, they still need a BIG MAN.

Oden was picked over Durant but who's the better player?

[Cry Havoc]

It's really interesting to note (after reading this thread) how much obvious animosity there is from Lakers and Mavs fans toward Tim. It's been said several times in this thread that "only idiotic homeriffic Spurs fans" would vote for Duncan, and yet we've had a Celtics fan, a Pistons fan, a Nuggets fan, a Raptors fan, and a Cavs fan weigh in saying Timmy is better. Yet no one is calling them out, there's just mocking of the Spurs fans for voting the same way as several casual observers have voted.

The most humorous thing is that some Mavs fans seem to think there's not even a debate between the two and that Dirk is clearly better.

So I'm wondering if it's not "stupid Spur fans voting for Duncan" and rather a case of, "teams that Duncan has thrashed in the playoffs" are voting against him. Because I haven't seen a single post from a non-Mavs/Lakers fan stating that Dirk is better. When monosylab1k is the voice of reason in a thread.... *Shakes head*. You Mav/Laker fans can talk all the trash you want, but I haven't seen a SINGLE decent argument being made for Dirk. You're mostly hating on people for saying Tim is better and then turning it into a flamewar, which is pretty much why Kori had to shut the NBA forum down a few days ago.

and :lmao at someone who's been pinked calling other people out for being stupid.

[hater]

Oden was picked over Durant but who's the better player?

too easy:

Keving Durant
22ppg
2.6apg
6.5rpg

Greg Oden
9ppg
.5apg
7rpg

Dirk
26ppg
.8bpg
2.4apg
8.4rpg

Duncan
19ppg
1.7bpg
3.5apg
11rpg

yeah, durant vs. oden/dirk vs. duncan is a fair comparison :elephant


Durant >>> Oden in ppg,apg and almost same rpg

Dirk > Duncan in ppg, in everything else... Duncan wins

[Culburn369]

You're mostly hating on people for saying Tim is better and then turning it into a flamewar, which is pretty much why Kori had to shut the NBA forum down a few days ago.

You damn ass smootcher, you, Cry.

Did she ever actually state why she shut it down? I saw her talking out both sides of her mouth for a couple hours, but, never saw a clear cut reason.

[Ditty]

Right now, Dirk. Tim can barely walk anymore and it's only going to get worse.

your mom could barely walk when i was done with her

[lotr1trekkie]

Trade Tim for Dirk heads up? No, way! Question answered!!!!!!

[washingtonwizard]

Interesting comparison. Dirk is definitely a force to be reckoned with on the offensive side of things. Duncan has regressed offensively, plus the fact that coach Mr. popovich now runs the offense mainly through Tony Parker, has seen a decline in Duncan's offensive presence.

That being said. As someone else mentioned, Duncan is still the heart and soul and foundation of the Spurs defensive scheme. He is a presence to be reckoned with on the defensive end and probably his superiority there is as big as the superiority of Dirk in offense.

Very tough call right now. But I saw that Duncan's ppg actually went up last year to 19ppg almost 20. That is signs that Duncan still has much in the tank and if healthy could continue being the foundation for the Spurs.

IMO just for the fact that Duncan is consistent on both sides of the court, has a post game and blocks many shots, plus has true championship winning experience. Gives him a little edge still over Mr. Nowitzki. So Duncan by a hair as someone else mentioned.

[Cry Havoc]

You damn ass smootcher, you, Cry.

Did she ever actually state why she shut it down? I saw her talking out both sides of her mouth for a couple hours, but, never saw a clear cut reason.

Yeah, me stating that a forum got shut down because people are talking too much shit is certainly kissing ass. Especially after I openly disagreed with her in the thread about the decision. :lol

And she did, actually. She said it was mostly due to Mavs and Rockets fans talking too much smack and degenerating the entire forum into a bunch of idiotic threads and stupid posts about how much someone else sucks.

[nkdlunch]

and defensively Duncan gets a slight edge,

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Duncan is still in the top 5 defensive bigmen

Dirk would be lucky to make top 25 defensive bigmen

[Phillip]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Duncan is still in the top 5 defensive bigmen

Dirk would be lucky to make top 25 defensive bigmen

link?

[DAF86]

link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

[Phillip]

but I haven't seen a SINGLE decent argument being made for Dirk.

no better than the argument for timmy, that he is better due to accolades he recieved years ago, having no relevance to what he is doing RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW, Dirk statistically is superior, and his team's success is superior.

therefore, Dirk > Timmy

and despite being a mavs fan, i've always been a big Timmy fan as well.

[dirk4mvp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

This is rich, coming from a guy who thinks Manu is better than Dirk.

[nkdlunch]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

:lmao

[Culburn369]

And she did, actually. She said it was mostly due to Mavs and Rockets fans talking too much smack and degenerating the entire forum into a bunch of idiotic threads and stupid posts about how much someone else sucks.

I agree, Cry, this Board is mostly just for us: (Lakers Fandom & Spurs Fandom). And yes, your Fandom is the Charter Fandom. We're here mostly on your dime, but, without us this NBA Forum would be a disgrace. We're the straw that stirs the drink. We're Coca-Cola, you fellows are Pepsi. We're Nathan's Hot Dogs, you fellows are just weiners. We're Hagen Daz, you fellows are Bryers.

[nkdlunch]

link?

so where does Dirk rank defensively among big men according to you?

[dirk4mvp]

I agree, Cry, this Board is mostly just for us: (Lakers Fandom & Spurs Fandom). And yes, your Fandom is the Charter Fandom. We're here mostly on your dime, but, without us this NBA Forum would be a disgrace. We're the straw that stirs the drink. We're Coca-Cola, you fellows are Pepsi. We're Nathan's Hot Dogs, you fellows are just weiners. We're Hagen Daz, you fellows are Bryers.

Believe me, this forum ran just fine before you fuckstick laker fans decided to show your ugly head after the Gasol trade.

[Culburn369]

This is rich, coming from a guy who thinks Manu is better than Dirk.

A whole Manu is better than a whole Dirk.

A whole Dirk can only hurt you. A whole Manu can end you.

[DesignatedT]

A big part of what people are forgetting here is that Dirk plays absolutely no D. and Duncan is one of if not THE best bigman defender in the game today.

Dirk might be able to hit the jumper and take it to the rim but duncan is BY FAR better in every single aspect of the game including rebounding blocking and overall individual and team defense... thats why Duncan is better and every GM in the league would take Tim over Dirk RIGHT NOW.

[dirk4mvp]

A whole Manu is better than a whole Dirk.

A whole Dirk can only hurt you. A whole Manu can end you.

A whole Manu can single handedly send his own team home.

[BUMP]

Duncan is still in the top 5 defensive bigmen


nope

Howard
Garnett
Camby
Perkins
Bynum

think before you post. Duncans soft

[Phillip]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual

neat

[Phillip]

thats why Duncan is better and every GM in the league would take Tim over Dirk RIGHT NOW.

prove it

[Findog]

A big part of what people are forgetting here is that Dirk plays absolutely no D.

You are sorely mistaken. He is way better on that side of the court than Amare or Al Jefferson or any of the other bigs about whom it can be said that they play "'absolutely no D."

[PBEEZY]

nope

Howard
Garnett
Camby
Perkins
Bynum

think before you post. Duncans soft

All NBA Second Team 08/09
Tim Duncan 10 10 30
Dwayne Wade 9 8 26
...etc

[hater]

You are sorely mistaken. He is way better on that side of the court than Amare or Al Jefferson or any of the other bigs about whom it can be said that they play "'absolutely no D."

It's really sad that you have to use Amare everytime you defend Dirk's D

[DAF86]

nope

howard
garnett
camby
perkins
bynum

think before you post. Duncans soft


gtfo

[Findog]

It's really sad that you have to use Amare everytime you defend Dirk's D

Dirk doesn't deserve to be lumped in with those guys. He passed that threshold a long, long time ago. He's an elite player and so is Duncan. You can make an argument for either of one of those guys being better than the other right now. Duncan has unquestionably had the better career, but there is no need to tear down one of them to prop up the other.

If you dumbasses continue to insist that Dirk is a very poor defender, then I'll continue to call you out on it.

[BUMP]

Brandon Bass Ewing agrees with me

[spursfan09]

:lol @ mav fans never ending quest to rid Spur fans of thier homerism for Duncan. Of course Spur fans are picking Duncan. He brought 4 championships, if anything it's loyalty and thats all. But I'll go ahead and let the Mav fans hear what they want. Yes right now Dirk is better. Thats not saying much though since Tim was injured last year. If they both lose again next year, it doesn't matter who's better. They both failed.

[Phillip]

Duncan has unquestionably had the better career, but there is no need to tear down one of them to prop up the other.

What's funny is that its mainly spurfans tearing Dirk down in this thread, while most of the Mavs fans have done nothing but give Duncan props, yet state that he isn't what he used to be either.

[Phillip]

so where does Dirk rank defensively among big men according to you?

i want my link fag

[BUMP]

What's funny is that its mainly spurfans tearing Dirk down in this thread, while most of the Mavs fans have done nothing but give Duncan props, yet state that he isn't what he used to be either.

That's my favorite part about SpurFan.

They twist their opinion whichever way it will go to help their argument.

If it's trying to bump up Dirk's supporting cast to make him look worse, they'll say Kidd is a top 10 pg

If they're trying to criticize our team's lack of talent for next season they say he's not even in the top 15 :lol

[Findog]

For a realistic discussion of Dirk's defense, start here:

If you guys are interested in a non-homer discussion on Dirk's defense, then start here:

http://dallasbasketballdotcom.yuku.com/topic/30045?page=3

[rAm]

RIGHT NOW, Dirk statistically is superior, and his team's success is superior.

therefore, Dirk > Timmy

and despite being a mavs fan, i've always been a big Timmy fan as well.

:rollin:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:rollin

[Phillip]

:rollin:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:rollin

lol 4-1

:rollin:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:rollin

[BUMP]

:rollin:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:rollin

here let me help you since you're slow

http://www.nba.com/mavericks/matchup/pgr_042809.html

[rAm]

What's the difference between having 4 rings, and having 0 rings?

The Dallas Mavericks.

[rAm]

What's the difference between ring smack and 4-1 smack?

Nothing.

[cheguevara]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10079

Top Six Power Forwards in 2009

HOOPSWORLD continues its look at the top players at each position as the season draws closer. Today, the power forward position will be examined.
Power forwards in today's game take many different forms. Some possess perimeter skill sets, while others dominate in the post with their backs to the basket. This makes evaluating the four-spot a unique challenge.

Please keep in mind this list will feature your friendly neighborhood columnist's prediction of the six power forwards who will have the best seasons in 2008-09, and is not necessarily a list of the six "best" power forwards in the game today (although there is admittedly some overlap).

With that understanding, here's a look at the players HOOPSWORLD believes will have the best season at the power forward position in 2008-09.

6. Chris Bosh - Toronto Raptors

With Jermaine O'Neal in the fold and Jose Calderon signed to a long-term deal, Bosh is set up to have a great season. His versatility offensively and his mobility on both ends of the floor will be on full display this season since he will not have the burden of carrying the entire load in the pivot. The Raptors will be a fun team to watch and could make some noise in the East. If everything goes right, it wouldn't be a shock for Bosh's name to be a part of the MVP conversation. Even if that doesn't happen, expect Bosh to have a career-year in 2008-09.

5. Amare Stoudemire - Phoenix Suns

There was some doubt as to whether or not Stoudemire would ever be the same player after he underwent microfracture surgery in 2005. Fortunately for Stoudemire, he appeared to hit his stride again last season. While he may have lost a little bit of spring in his leg, he's still a monster for any defense to try and contain. He's also a solid rebounder and can at times very much intimidate opposing offenses with his shot-blocking ability. It remains to be seen whether or not the Suns' championship window has officially shut as many prognosticators believe, but Phoenix will be a playoff team next season. The fact Stoudemire will be running with Steve Nash, still one of the best point guards in the game, virtually ensures another big season for "STAT."

4. Carlos Boozer - Utah Jazz

This is a player who often gets left out of the discussion of best forwards in the game today. Boozer has been very good since arriving in Salt Lake City. The fact he has the ability to opt out of his deal and cash-in big next summer should provide even more motivation for him to perform this season. Boozer is very good offensively and can score from mid-range and on the box. He may be the best forward in the game today at using his off-hand to score around the rim, which often puts defenders a little off-kilter when trying to defend him. With Deron Williams running the point again next season, expect Boozer to get a ton of easy baskets on the break and off of the pick-and-roll thus ensuring he will again be one of the most productive forwards in the game in 2008-09.

3. David West - New Orleans Hornets

For my money, West is the most underrated player in the Association. Last season, he got some much deserved recognition after being named a Western Conference All-Star. Even so, it seemed many people still chalked up a great deal of his success to the play of Chris Paul. There's no doubt Paul is amazing, but West's performance is more than just a simple bi-product of playing next to Paul. West often extends defenses because of his ability to hit the 17-foot jumper and can also score inside with his back to the basket. It's easy to forget he also averaged 8.5 rebounds per-game last season, too. He was great last season and will be even better in 2008-09.

2. Kevin Garnett - Boston Celtics

Despite coming to play every single night for over a decade, many fans failed to give Garnett his due mostly because he had never won a title. After one season in Boston, that all changed. While teammate Paul Pierce has been busy proclaiming himself the best in the world, Garnett has been training hard and mentally preparing himself to lead the C's to another title. Garnett's passion, focus and commitment to the defensive end of the floor completely transformed the Celtics last season. Expect Garnett to once again be the unequivocal leader for a Boston team that will have a fantastic chance of winning the Eastern Conference again next season.

1. Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs

With all due respect to Karl Malone, Tim Duncan is the best power forward who ever set foot on a NBA basketball court. Unfortunately, he never seems to get the credit he deserves because of his non-flashy and business like approach to the game. Make no mistake about it, though, Duncan is one for the ages. Sure his career averages of over 21 points and 11 rebounds might not floor folks, but Duncan is so much more than numbers. Every year Duncan is healthy is a year the Spurs have a legitimate shot at winning a championship. Since entering the league in 1997, Duncan's Spurs have won four titles. And despite the fact he will turn 33 on April 25th, Duncan is still performing at a high level. Moreover, San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich always seems to find a way to make sure Duncan is fresh come playoff time. Assuming he's healthy, Duncan will average his 20 and 10 and the Spurs will have another very good shot at bringing home title number five in the Duncan era.



Honorable Mention

Elton Brand - Philadelphia 76ers: Brand looked remarkably sharp during the last couple weeks of the season after returning from a torn Achilles. If he continues that trend and returns to his pre-injury form, Brand could be one of the best forwards in the game next season for Philly. If everything comes together, Brand's Sixers could win the East.

Dirk Nowitzki - Dallas Mavericks: It's easy to forget this guy was the league MVP just a couple of years ago. He's in the prime of his career and remains one of the most unique scorers in the game today with his 7-foot frame and outstanding outside shooting ability. Dallas fans are hoping new coach Rick Carlisle will pump some new life into Dirk and the Mavs. If he does, Nowitzki could easily be in the MVP discussion once again next season. :lol

Pau Gasol - Los Angeles Lakers: Pau earned the nickname "Gasoft" during his time in Memphis with the Grizzlies. While Gasol will never be a power player, he certainly was very good after arriving in Los Angeles before the trade deadline last season. If Gasol is your number one guy, you're in trouble. But playing next to players like Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom should ensure Gasol has perhaps the best overall season of his career in 2008-09.

Rasheed Wallace - Detroit Pistons: Sheed is kind of like the Manny Ramirez of the NBA. When he's focused, he can absolutely dominate games on both ends of the floor. When he's not, though, things can become a circus. If he comes to camp in shape, keeps his head on straight during the regular season and maintains his focus once the playoffs commence, Wallace could help lead the Pistons to another title. On the other hand, Sheed could end up being traded by the deadline if he gets off to a slow start.

LaMarcus Aldridge - Portland Trail Blazers: Aldridge split time between the four and the five last season. This season, though, Aldridge will probably see more minutes -- and quite possibly the majority of his minutes -- at the four as the season progresses. As such, it was impossible to keep him off this list. He made huge strides last season and has the chance to develop into an All-Star in the very near future. He can score inside and out and rebound the ball. Playing in the high-post, he should be a very nice complement to Oden this season and for many seasons to come.




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