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RamReddy
08-07-2009, 11:30 AM
Spurs reign supreme among the haves of the league

By David Aldridge, TNT Analyst
Posted Aug 7 2009 11:16AM
So, what was this offseason about in the NBA?


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The rich getting richer, that's what. The defending champions lost nothing and gained Ron Artest, getting younger, deeper and more talented. The runners-up lost Hedo Turkoglu, but more than made up for it.
All over the league, the elites fortified themselves while their lessers fought for scraps. The Eastern Conference gained more traction in its tug-of-war with the West. The sour economy and the lack of much salary cap room this summer conspired to make movement slow for most, with players like Allen Iverson and David Lee waiting for the dam to burst and someone to come up with some cash. Money has now, unfortunately, created a class system in the NBA. It's clear that those with means can stay strong, while those without have to wait their turn. That cleaves the league nicely into five categories:
The Haves (Spurs, Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Cavaliers, Mavericks, Trail Blazers)
The Middle Class (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/08/07/middleclass/index.html) (Raptors, Wizards, Pistons, Hawks, Nuggets, Jazz, Rockets, 76ers)
The Holders (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/08/07/holders/index.html) (Bulls, Knicks, Heat)
The Folders (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/08/07/folders/index.html)(Timberwolves, Grizzlies, Bucks, Kings, Bobcats, Nets)
The Dreamers (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/08/07/dreamers/index.html) (Clippers, Hornets, Pacers, Warriors, Thunder, Suns)
In grading each team's offseason, the financial divide has to be taken into account. The Lakers simply have more money than a lot of teams, which makes their offseason that much easier. If Miami had offered Lamar Odom the same amount of money that Los Angeles did, he might be on South Beach right now. But Miami couldn't, and Los Angeles knew it, so L.A. could afford to wait for L.O. to come to its number. That's an advantage. But it doesn't mean the teams with less can't be productive, as you'll see below with teams like Indiana.
I grade teams on their entire offseason -- the Draft, free agency, trades, coaching changes, new ownership, new arenas, anything that has impacted or will impact rosters. But it's kind of graded on a curve because of the money disparities. Once again: This is not a predicted order of finish for next season, only one guy's evaluation of what's transpired between the end of each team's season and now.
Here are The Haves. For the others, click on the links above.
The haves
These are the teams that feel they have a legitimate shot at a championship, and acted accordingly, throwing money around like they were Mr. Monopoly (or, more accurately, given the business arrangements of the pro sports leagues, Mr. Cartel). They have high payrolls and don't care about paying the salary tax next season if the payoff is the Commish handing them the Larry O'Brien Trophy next June.
SAN ANTONIO
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 1
Last season: 54-28, first place, Southwest; Lost in first round of playoffs.
Added: F Richard Jefferson (trade with Milwaukee), F/C Antonio McDyess (free agent, Detroit; three years, $15 million), C Theo Ratliff (free agent, Philadelphia; one year, $1.3 million), F DeJuan Blair (second-round draft pick)
Lost: F Bruce Bowen (traded to Milwaukee), F/C Kurt Thomas (traded to Milwaukee), F/C Fabricio Oberto (traded to Milwaukee), F Drew Gooden (signed with Dallas)
Retained: None
The key man: C Ian Mahinmi. Any chance that a post-Tim Duncan era will amount to squat depends on whether the 22-year-old Mahinmi is ready for prime time.
The skinny: Incredible work by GM R.C. Buford to retool a still-good team and make it a contender again. The Jefferson deal is this offseason's version of the Gasol Heist of '08; with RJ on the floor the Spurs aren't held hostage by Manu Ginobili's deteriorating body parts -- though a healthy Manu is the key to a potential title run. Bad knees or not, Blair was a great second-round pickup, and McDyess classes up any locker room.
L.A. LAKERS
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 2
Last season: 65-17, first place, Pacific; Won NBA championship.
Added: F Ron Artest (free agent, Houston; five years, $33 million)
Lost: F Trevor Ariza (signed with Houston)
Retained: G Shannon Brown (two years, $4.2 million), F Lamar Odom (four years, $33 million)
The key man: C Andrew Bynum. If he can stay on the court for a full season, the Lakers are close to unbeatable.
The skinny: Essentially trading Artest for Ariza makes sense; L.A.'s championship window is wide open. When Artest isn't the Alpha Male in the locker room, things go much better, and Kobe is still the top dog. With Odom back in the fold, a summer off from international play, increased confidence in his teammates and with Artest around to guard the West's best twos and threes, Bryant should be even more lethal next season.
BOSTON
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 3
Last season: 62-20, first place, Atlantic; Lost in second round of playoffs.
Added: F/C Rasheed Wallace (free agent, Detroit; two years, $11.6 million), Marquis Daniels (free agent, Indiana)
Lost: F Leon Powe
Retained: None
The key man: C Kendrick Perkins. He's the glue to Boston's halfcourt defense, and showed he could handle a little more of the offensive load after Garnett went down. But chronic shoulder problems are a concern.
The skinny: The 6-foot-10 Wallace makes the Celtics the Lakers East -- potentially huge in the frontcourt alongside the 6-foot-11 Garnett and Perkins (6-foot-10). They can send defenders from all angles, and their length will make passing out of the double team difficult. Daniels will be a solid backup for Rajon Rondo. Garnett has been a maniac this summer, recovering from the knee injury that kept him out of the playoffs. When he's back, Boston's back.
ORLANDO
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 4
Last season: 59-23, first place, Southeast; Lost in NBA Finals.
Added: G Vince Carter (trade with New Jersey), F Ryan Anderson (trade with New Jersey). F Brandon Bass (free agent, Dallas; four years, $18 million), F Matt Barnes (free agent, Phoenix; two years, $3.8 million)
Lost: F Hedo Turkoglu (sign-and-trade with Toronto), G Courtney Lee (traded to New Jersey), F/C Tony Battie (traded to New Jersey), G Rafer Alston (traded to New Jersey)
Retained C Marcin Gortat (matched five year, $33 million offer sheet from Mavericks)
The key man: G Jameer Nelson. He has to return to All-Star form quickly if the Magic is going to contend for the East's best record.
The skinny: Can't believe so many people are down on Carter. He can still play, he can run a lot of the screen-roll action that Turkoglu ran and he's a career 79 percent free throw shooter. Who would you rather have with the ball in his hands at the end of a game -- Carter or Dwight (.601 career FT) Howard? Anderson, Bass and Barnes give the Magic one of the league's deepest benches. Considering they lost a key starter and team leader in Turkoglu, it wasn't a bad summer at all.
CLEVELAND
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 7
Last season: 66-16, first place, Central; Lost in Eastern Conference finals.
Added: C Shaquille O'Neal (trade with Phoenix), G Anthony Parker (free agent, Toronto; two years, $6 million), F Jamario Moon (free agent, Miami; two years, $6 million)
Lost: F/C Ben Wallace (traded to Phoenix), G Sasha Pavlovic (traded to Phoenix)
Retained: F Anderson Varejao (six years, $50 million)
The key man: Owner Dan Gilbert. GM Danny Ferry has built a championship-caliber team around James, but James's relationship with Gilbert -- the only person that LeBron has to call the boss -- will be a key factor in James's stay-or-go decision after this season.
The skinny: For the first time in his career; LeBron will have to learn to play off of someone else; he's never had a low-post option before, and even at 37, Shaq still commands respect. How long will it take James to adjust? Can the 6-foot-8 Moon guard the Paul Pierces and Rashard Lewises in the East? He'll have to, after the Cavs failed to get Trevor Ariza, Ron Artest, Charlie Villanueva or Shawn Marion.
DALLAS
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 9
Last season: 50-32, third place, Southwest; Lost in second round of playoffs.
Added: F Shawn Marion (sign-and-trade with Toronto), F Kris Humprhies (trade with Toronto), F Quinton Ross (free agent, Memphis), G Rod Beaubois (first-round pick), F Drew Gooden (free agent, San Antonio; one year, $4.5 million), F Tim Thomas (free agent, Chicago; one year, $1.3 million)
Lost: G Jerry Stackhouse (traded to Memphis)
Retained: G Jason Kidd (three years, $25 million)
The key man: F Josh Howard. The Mavs go from good to great when he goes from good to great.
The skinny: Missed out on a higher grade when Orlando decided to match offer sheet on Marcin Gortat, but otherwise, Dallas did pretty well. The Mavs will be smaller, but much more athletic, now able to put the likes of Marion, Howard, Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Terry on the court together. Not sure that will get them much further in the playoffs, but the fun-'n-gun days should be back at American Airlines Center.
PORTLAND
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 11
Last season: 54-28, second place, Northwest; Lost in first round of playoffs.
Added: G Andre Miller (free agent, Philadelphia; three years, $21 million)
Lost: G Sergio Rodriguez (traded to Sacramento), F Channing Frye (signed with Phoenix)
Retained: None
The key man: C Greg Oden. He is telling people he's happy again after a morose rookie season. Let's hope so. Oden is too young to put so much pressure on himself, and he's far too much fun and interesting to sulk through the world.
The skinny: Swung and missed on Turkoglu and Utah's Paul Milsap, but salvaged the summer by picking up the 33-year-old Miller for less than half of what they would have spent on Hedo and $10 million less than they offered Milsap. Miller's still got some game and he'll be an upgrade at the point. Portland's kids just need to get a little more postseason experience.
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OPINIONS?????:flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag:

BUMP
08-07-2009, 11:31 AM
:lol

leemajors
08-07-2009, 11:31 AM
wake me in feb.

hater
08-07-2009, 12:30 PM
Not sure that will get them much further in the playoffs, but the fun-'n-gun days should be back at American Airlines Center.

:lol

benefactor
08-07-2009, 12:30 PM
:lol
Please report to the Manu vs. Dirk thread with trolls in tow. Thank you.

Ditty
08-07-2009, 12:33 PM
lol gortat

spursfan1000
08-07-2009, 01:17 PM
Of course the Spurs are # 1.

JustBlaze
08-07-2009, 01:22 PM
Nuggets in the same class with the Raptors/Jizzards/Cawks and Sixers?
Fuck that black bastard.

spursfan1000
08-07-2009, 01:23 PM
Nuggets in the same class with the Raptors/Jizzards/Cawks and Sixers?
Fuck that black bastard.

You miss spelt Hawks, and Wizards :lol

BUMP
08-07-2009, 01:27 PM
Not sure that will get them much further in the playoffs, but the fun-'n-gun days should be back at American Airlines Center.


Hell yeah! If we can't contend atleast we'll be fun to watch!

Sucks for you SpurFan, your team will be boring and still wont be able to win it all

spursfan1000
08-07-2009, 01:29 PM
Hell yeah! If we can't contend atleast we'll be fun to watch!

Sucks for you SpurFan, your team will be boring and still wont be able to win it all

Mavs arent in better position...

spursfan1000
08-07-2009, 01:30 PM
Hell yeah! If we can't contend atleast we'll be fun to watch!

Sucks for you SpurFan, your team will be boring and still wont be able to win it all


And it's too early to know if the Spurs can win it all or not...

Muser
08-07-2009, 01:39 PM
Hell yeah! If we can't contend atleast we'll be fun to watch!

Sucks for you SpurFan, your team will be boring and still wont be able to win it all


So Spur fans continue watching the team in the same way they have done for the last 10 years, and Mav fans turn into Phx 2.0? I prefer the former.

spursfan1000
08-07-2009, 01:41 PM
So Spur fans continue watching the team in the same way they have done for the last 10 years, and Mav fans turn into Phx 2.0? I prefer the former.

Yeah and watching 'not the most enjoyable team to watch' got 4 championships, and the fun team to watch has 0 ships :toast

manufan10
08-07-2009, 01:49 PM
Nuggets in the same class with the Raptors/Jizzards/Cawks and Sixers?
Fuck that black bastard.

:lol

Overall, I think it's a fair assessment. I think the Lakers with the Artest/Ariza trade, comes away with almost the same game. San Antonio has retooled, and it's going to be a fun season. Looking forward to the new match-ups on the Lakers/Mavs. Should be interesting. It's going to be one hell of a year. :toast

2Cleva
08-07-2009, 02:14 PM
In grading each team's offseason, the financial divide has to be taken into account. The Lakers simply have more money than a lot of teams, which makes their offseason that much easier. If Miami had offered Lamar Odom the same amount of money that Los Angeles did, he might be on South Beach right now. But Miami couldn't, and Los Angeles knew it, so L.A. could afford to wait for L.O. to come to its number. That's an advantage. But it doesn't mean the teams with less can't be productive, as you'll see below with teams like Indiana.

I grade teams on their entire offseason -- the Draft, free agency, trades, coaching changes, new ownership, new arenas, anything that has impacted or will impact rosters. But it's kind of graded on a curve because of the money disparities. Once again: This is not a predicted order of finish for next season, only one guy's evaluation of what's transpired between the end of each team's season and now.

That was nice of DA to add the money caveat in order for SA to be first.

Texas_Ranger
08-07-2009, 02:49 PM
Mavs fans thought that their team made the best moves. :lol

baseline bum
08-07-2009, 03:45 PM
That was nice of DA to add the money caveat in order for SA to be first.

SA would be first without it too. They got a good bigman and traded end of bench players for a starting SF, filling two enormous holes on the team. Jefferson over Finley is a no-brainer and McDyess looked pretty good last season while Kurt Thomas' game basically fell off a cliff.

LA brings mostly the same team back with a bit of an upgrade at the SF. They're obviously the favorites with the stacked team they have (just like last season), but how much better do you expect them to be? There's not a lot of room for improvement, while the Spurs on paper are a far better team than last season.

tlongII
08-07-2009, 04:01 PM
Personally I don't think the Spurs can stay healthy. But we'll see...

hater
08-07-2009, 04:03 PM
Personally I don't think the Spurs can stay healthy. But we'll see...

personally I dont think greg oden can stay healthy

BUMP
08-07-2009, 04:05 PM
SA would be first without it too. They got a good bigman and traded end of bench players for a starting SF, filling two enormous holes on the team. Jefferson over Finley is a no-brainer and McDyess looked pretty good last season while Kurt Thomas' game basically fell off a cliff.


If you consider McDyess a good bigman than that hole must've really been enormous

Texas_Ranger
08-07-2009, 04:07 PM
If you consider McDyess a good bigman than that hole must've really been enormous

At least he's better than Damp, Gooden, Tim Thomas.:ihit

hater
08-07-2009, 04:07 PM
LOL Gooden

BUMP
08-07-2009, 04:14 PM
At least he's better than Damp, Gooden, Tim Thomas.:ihit

:nope not at all

in2deep
08-07-2009, 04:15 PM
:nope not at all

Dice not better than Gooden????

:lol

Texas_Ranger
08-07-2009, 04:16 PM
I really liked Drew on our team. He's a great guy on offense...But his defense is pathetic.

BUMP
08-07-2009, 04:18 PM
Dice not better than Gooden????

:lol

at the age of 35 what the hell is McDyess gonna give you?

MavDynasty
08-07-2009, 04:19 PM
dice>bonner thats for sure

Texas_Ranger
08-07-2009, 04:21 PM
at the age of 35 what the hell is McDyess gonna give you?

Well he was playing great in the playoffs.
I gues he can still score 8 points, 7 rebounds in 25 minutes. We don't even need his offensive game that much, but on defense he will be more effective than Drew.

And what do you think Gooden will give your team?

baseline bum
08-07-2009, 04:25 PM
If you consider McDyess a good bigman than that hole must've really been enormous

Do you disagree that it was?

http://www.nba.com/media/act_matt_bonner.jpg

in2deep
08-07-2009, 04:25 PM
at the age of 35 what the hell is McDyess gonna give you?

10 points, 10 rebounds, 1 block and very good defense to help out Duncan.

on the other hand Gooden gives you 12 pts, 7 rebounds, no blocks and a laughable defense

Texas_Ranger
08-07-2009, 04:32 PM
Honestly, how much more does Dyess offer that Gooden didn't? Last season, Dallas was just better than the Spurs. Thomas, Gooden, and Marion just about washes out bringing in Dick, and Dyess. I wont count Blair, and Mahinmi because they are totally unproven. The Spurs are going to have to rely on huge comeback seasons from Manu and Tim.

Dyess plays defense, Gooden doesn't even know what that is.

And yea...Marion >>> RICHARD Jefferson. :lol:lmao

I rather have Jefferson, Dyess, Theo, Mahnimi, Blair than Marion, Thomas and Gooden.

Lets just hope Marion doesn't choke again when he'll see the Spurs uniforms. He did that every single time so far.

Muser
08-07-2009, 04:38 PM
Honestly, how much more does Dyess offer that Gooden didn't? Last season, Dallas was just better than the Spurs. Thomas, Gooden, and Marion just about washes out bringing in Dick, and Dyess. I wont count Blair, and Mahinmi because they are totally unproven. The Spurs are going to have to rely on huge comeback seasons from Manu and Tim.


When Jefferson is replacing Finley and Dyess is replacing Bonner then I think it's pretty good.

MavDynasty
08-07-2009, 04:57 PM
Dyess plays defense, Gooden doesn't even know what that is.

And yea...Marion >>> RICHARD Jefferson. :lol:lmao

I rather have Jefferson, Dyess, Theo, Mahnimi, Blair than Marion, Thomas and Gooden.

Lets just hope Marion doesn't choke again when he'll see the Spurs uniforms. He did that every single time so far.

Its ok,everyone else on the Mavs roster kicks the Spurs ass, even no name backup centers.

in2deep
08-07-2009, 04:59 PM
Its ok,everyone else on the Mavs roster kicks the Spurs ass, even no name backup centers.

this is true. I don't know why. but this is true :depressed

fucking JJ Barea looked like Pistol Pete out there :bang

redzero
08-07-2009, 05:02 PM
Wow at everybody underrating the Hornets.

MavDynasty
08-07-2009, 05:03 PM
lol for some reason the mavs always wake up to play the spurs.


they play like shit one night but when they play the spurs, they just turn on another gear.

RamReddy
08-08-2009, 11:28 AM
Wow at everybody underrating the Hornets.


HORNETS SUCK
Okafor will do them good though...

ambchang
08-08-2009, 09:53 PM
Lakers are still #1. Thing is, the Lakers have similar amount, or more talent than the Spurs at this point, and even if they had the same amount of talent than the Spurs, or even a little less, it's proven talent. The team worked together for a couple of seasons, making the Finals twice, winning once.

The Spurs on the other hand, are made up of a whole bunch of different parts. Theoretically, it works, but we still have to see how the team plays before jumping to conclusions. A team like the Celtics, where totally new parts being put together and performing well is not the norm.

dirk4mvp
08-09-2009, 12:47 AM
I can't believe someone just said Mcdyess is going to avg. a double double.

BUMP
08-09-2009, 12:54 AM
10 points, 10 rebounds, 1 block and very good defense to help out Duncan.

on the other hand Gooden gives you 12 pts, 7 rebounds, no blocks and a laughable defense

http://www.santeecoopercatfishhunter.com/2009_003_op_640x853.jpg

HARDYYY HAR! HAR! HEY GUYS I GOT ONE!

mystargtr34
08-09-2009, 12:55 AM
He averaged 10-10 last season. Probably unlikely next to a dominant rebounder like Duncan though.

I can see him with something like 8-8 on 50% FG with a block and pretty solid defense. Pretty much all you need next to a 20-10 guy.

KSeal
08-09-2009, 01:12 AM
Congrats Spurs, now the fans can't whine about how nobody picked you and how you were flying under the radar.

TJastal
08-09-2009, 07:55 AM
Ok, Gooden is a decent player but lets not get carried away.

The only thing Gooden has on McDyess is youth and a back to the basket post up game (which isn't all that great). McDyess is a much better midrange shooter, rebounder, interior defender, and has better basketball IQ than Gooden.

All of which adds up to > Drew Gooden.

Tracy McGrady
08-09-2009, 09:10 AM
What??
My team is in the The Middle Class (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/08/07/middleclass/index.html)?!!
WTF is going on!!
Sure, we lost Yao and that bitch Ron Ron and that Wafer faggot that nobody liked left to the fucking Olympiakos or what's their stupid ass name, but c'mon man, that ain't right!!
Fuck this Aldridge mothafucker, who the fuck does he think he is!
We in the middle class!! Fucking bitch. I can't wait to have a interview with his shitty ass!
And we all know that I'll be back, so he shoud shut the fuck up! What a punk!! He just made my day go to fucking hell!
I can't wait to see his stupid face when I win the championship next year!!
Yea, I know I'm a first round virgin, but fuck it. This year I'm going all the way wit my team. I don't even need Yao to make it to the finals!! I'm gonna fuck up every team that comes in my way! You all should be woried, cause T-Mac is back.