View Full Version : LeBron won't sign contract extension
tlongII
08-07-2009, 03:45 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4383960
AKRON, Ohio -- LeBron James is unlikely to accept a contract extension from the Cleveland Cavaliers until after the 2009-10 season, when he can become a free agent.
At an event to unveil his latest signature sneaker for Nike, James, who has given no indication he plans to leave the Cavs, made his strongest comments yet about his future. The NBA's reigning MVP said he signed a three-year contract in 2006 with an option so he would have more flexibility once it expires.
"I signed a contract in 2006 with an option," he said. "It would make no sense for me to sign that contract if I didn't keep my options open. I'll let you fill in the blanks."
The Cavaliers offered James a contract extension last month. The 24-year-old said his agent, Leon Rose, and Cavs general manager Danny Ferry have had "a great conversation."
James doesn't expect his future to be a distraction for the Cavs, who acquired All-Star center Shaquille O'Neal this offseason.
BlackSwordsMan
08-07-2009, 03:46 PM
him and jay z can make rap videos all day long now
yay!
BadOdor
08-07-2009, 03:46 PM
He craves the attention.
23LeBronJames23
08-07-2009, 03:47 PM
him and jay z can make rap videos all day long now
yay!
:lmao
23LeBronJames23
08-07-2009, 03:49 PM
He probably goin to stay if cavaliers are good enough to win title. but if the cavs bench play horrible in playoffs and Mo shoot 10% from deep then he will be likely to leave. just my opinion...
Good move. If the Cavs suck GTFO.
baseline bum
08-07-2009, 04:00 PM
LeBron should probably walk. The Cavs signed their own death certificate when they decided Anderson Varejao's and Jamario Moon's overrated asses were worth $10 million of the capspace they could have used to entice Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Dirk Nowitzki, Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur, Josh Howard, Manu Ginobili, etc. to play with LeBron. Plus, add another $3 million wiped off the 2010 cap for Anthony Parker. The Cavs roster is going to be strictly low B-level talent, and I cannot see how that's going to entice James back.
hater
08-07-2009, 04:07 PM
he's smart
bostonguy
08-07-2009, 04:37 PM
I bet Bron stays. In the end, the Cavs can offer him the most cash. They will give him a sick contract no one else will be able to come near. I dont see Bron passing that up just like I dont see Wade passing up money either.
kwamay_brown54
08-07-2009, 04:39 PM
I bet Bron stays. In the end, the Cavs can offer him the most cash. They will give him a sick contract no one else will be able to come near. I dont see Bron passing that up just like I dont see Wade passing up money either.
That how the CBA was intended to work, so teams can with Bird Rights can offer the most years and most money. He will only use New York as leverage if need be.
JamStone
08-07-2009, 04:53 PM
Doing just really quick "guess" math, if the cap is about $58 million for 2010-11, and the CBA rules are the same as I recall with the 10.5% increases for teams that own Bird rights and 8% increases for any other team, the difference between what the Cavs can offer and what any other team can offer is pretty significant.
Cavs can offer about: $136 million over 6 years
Any other team can offer about: $102 million over 5 years
baseline bum
08-07-2009, 06:16 PM
Doing just really quick "guess" math, if the cap is about $58 million for 2010-11, and the CBA rules are the same as I recall with the 10.5% increases for teams that own Bird rights and 8% increases for any other team, the difference between what the Cavs can offer and what any other team can offer is pretty significant.
Cavs can offer about: $136 million over 6 years
Any other team can offer about: $102 million over 5 years
I'm not sure that sixth year is as important as his own legacy to James. He'll be 30 in 2015 when that fifth year is up, and barring injury, will almost certainly have no trouble getting that salary matched. He's pretty much a lock for one more major contract after the one he signs in 2010. As it looks right now, it's title or bust this season in Cleveland with not a lot of hope for the future there with all the money they have tied up in so-so players. He could surprise everyone like Tim Duncan did, but I think New York makes a lot more sense for James. They did screw up majorly giving Utah their pick (unrestricted) in next year's draft though. There are quite a few players that are going to be attainable to New York to go next to James which they can afford even if the cap comes in around $50-$52 million as the worst projections have been. Worst case for NY is they bring David Lee back, and I'd take him over Sideshow Varejao in a second. Unless the economy really picks up quickly, that $17 million or so in the 2011 expiring contracts of Curry+Jeffries is going to be a hell of a trading piece to really fill New York out.
Brazil
08-07-2009, 06:32 PM
Not really a surprise
Rodriguez
08-07-2009, 06:37 PM
Doing just really quick "guess" math, if the cap is about $58 million for 2010-11, and the CBA rules are the same as I recall with the 10.5% increases for teams that own Bird rights and 8% increases for any other team, the difference between what the Cavs can offer and what any other team can offer is pretty significant.
Cavs can offer about: $136 million over 6 years
Any other team can offer about: $102 million over 5 years
Some European clubs can even afford more for Lebron, but money isn't the whole thing Crab is pursuing and the European league championships are not so favored as you may be deceived to believe by DAF and KBP.
If the Cavs fail to win the championship next season, for some reason like getting Shaq injured or Mo Williams mentally fucked, then Lebron will definitely walk somewhere else as soon as he can no matter how many wins the Cavs collect in regular season or how far they can crawl in the playoffs.
duncan228
08-07-2009, 06:40 PM
Updated.
LeBron hints he'll explore free agency (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4383960)
AKRON, Ohio -- LeBron James is going to make the Cleveland Cavaliers wait -- and sweat.
James indicated Friday that he is unlikely to accept a contract extension from the Cavs until after the 2009-10 season and presumably will become a free agent.
At an event in his hometown to unveil Nike Air Max LeBron VII, the latest sneaker in his signature line, James made his strongest comments yet about his future. The NBA's reigning MVP said he signed a three-year contract in 2006 to give him more options once it expires.
"I signed a contract in 2006 with an option, and it would make no sense for me to sign that contract if I didn't keep my options open," he said. "I'll let you fill in the blanks."
The Cavaliers offered James a contract extension on July 18, the three-year anniversary of the signing of his current contract. The team could offer the extension -- at the highest salary allowed -- of up to four years. James can sign the extension offer anytime before June 30, 2010.
James, who will make $15.7 million next season, also has an option in his current contract that can extend his deal through the 2010-11 season.
However, it appears for now that James does not intend to sign the extension or pick up his one-year option for $17.1 million anytime soon.
The 24-year-old superstar said his agent, Leon Rose, and Cavaliers general manager Danny Ferry have had "a great conversation." But James remained noncommittal about his plans beyond the upcoming season, one he hopes ends with the Cavs, who acquired All-Star center Shaquille O'Neal shortly after their season ended, winning their first NBA title.
James was similarly positioned in 2006, when he decided to sign a three-year extension with the Cavs.
Despite James' insistence that he's happy in Cleveland, his choice to delay his decision is certain to spark more speculation that he'll sign with another club next summer. James has maintained that he's pleased with the Cavs' direction, owner Dan Gilbert and Ferry's attempts to add more talent to Cleveland's roster.
James said he isn't worried about his contract situation becoming a distraction.
Following an elaborate multimedia presentation by Nike, James, who will embark on a tour promoting his new shoe and "More Than A Game," a documentary chronicling his days at St. Vincent-St. Mary High School, answered questions about O'Neal and Magic forward Rashard Lewis' 10-game suspension for testing positive for an elevated testosterone level.
James also reiterated his Thursday comments in which he said he regretted not doing a mandatory postgame media session after the Cavaliers were eliminated from the playoffs by the Orlando Magic. But he also said that he didn't think he owed anyone an apology for failing to shake hands with the Magic players immediately after the series ended.
James offered sympathy to Lewis, who admitted taking an over-the-counter supplement late last season that included a substance he did not realize was banned by the league.
"It's unfortunate," James said. "I know Rashard really well and I know he's not that type of guy who would do anything to get the upper edge on another player, that's first and foremost. You just have to use great judgment. We have guys with us every day who can find out for you if it [substance] is banned or not banned by the NBA. A mistake by him."
James said he is looking forward to being teammates with O'Neal, one of the few athletes on the planet as recognizable as James himself.
"To get the opportunity to play with one of the greatest basketball players to ever play the game, that's the fun part for me," James said. "I'm humbled by that."
23LeBronJames23
08-07-2009, 07:55 PM
He would be stupid not to explore the market. He does what to be a billionaire, so if a Greek team offers him 50 million a year he'll take it.
lol
23LeBronJames23
08-07-2009, 07:58 PM
50 million a year would probably be what it takes to get leBron out of the NBA. Although we all know how bad a job the Greeks do at paying people.
wouldnt u want to be a billionare?
Rodriguez
08-07-2009, 08:00 PM
He would be stupid not to explore the market. He does what to be a billionaire, so if a Greek team offers him 50 million a year he'll take it.
Then he will get forgotten by us progressively and as a result, he will lose a big amount of ad incomes from Nike and some other companies he speaks for. Only DAF and KBP think so highly about the European league, I think Lebron should stick to this country holding the belief that the financial crisis will get resolved eventually.
Rodriguez
08-07-2009, 08:05 PM
50 million a year would probably be what it takes to get leBron out of the NBA. Although we all know how bad a job the Greeks do at paying people.
yeah, as you just mentioned, the Greeks have poor credits and we all know what Childress has come across, and the laws of these "3rd world" countries are always too lame to say a word on behalf of the victim.
spursfan1000
08-07-2009, 09:13 PM
No surprise here...
KidCongo
08-07-2009, 11:29 PM
LeBron should probably walk. The Cavs signed their own death certificate when they decided Anderson Varejao's and Jamario Moon's overrated asses were worth $10 million of the capspace they could have used to entice Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Dirk Nowitzki, Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur, Josh Howard, Manu Ginobili, etc. to play with LeBron. Plus, add another $3 million wiped off the 2010 cap for Anthony Parker. The Cavs roster is going to be strictly low B-level talent, and I cannot see how that's going to entice James back.
They weren't going to sign a player of that calibre whilst trying to field a competitive team this year. If they don't put players around LeBron that would make the team competitive he would leave. You don't build a team through FA, it's through the draft and trades.
KidCongo
08-07-2009, 11:29 PM
I bet Bron stays. In the end, the Cavs can offer him the most cash. They will give him a sick contract no one else will be able to come near. I dont see Bron passing that up just like I dont see Wade passing up money either.
:toast
baseline bum
08-08-2009, 12:25 AM
I would love to see him go over there and get stiffed.:lol
From West Hollywood, eh? I don't think that's what people meant when they were talking about James playing Greek basketball.
baseline bum
08-08-2009, 12:37 AM
They weren't going to sign a player of that calibre whilst trying to field a competitive team this year. If they don't put players around LeBron that would make the team competitive he would leave. You don't build a team through FA, it's through the draft and trades.
They're not going to get good draft picks with LeBron playing there and they're not going to make any more big trades without any decent expiring contracts to offer. I don't get Cleveland's plan at all. They could have had $8-$10 million to at least pick up a guy like Okur next summer if they didn't blow money on Moon and Parker.
KidCongo
08-08-2009, 12:47 AM
They're not going to get good draft picks with LeBron playing there and they're not going to make any more big trades without any decent expiring contracts to offer. I don't get Cleveland's plan at all. They could have had $8-$10 million to at least pick up a guy like Okur next summer if they didn't blow money on Moon and Parker.
I'm no cap expert but they would have had to renounce rights on Z, Shaq, let AV walk this summer just to have any capspace. That's big-man depth gone.
The draft picks I'm referring to in the Cavs case are Gibson, Hickson, Darnell Jackson, the most recent picks Eyenga and Green. Bench type role players most likely but Cavs FO sources seem to think JJ Hickson and Christian Eyenga can become bonafied NBA starters.
Parker and Moons contracts are 2 year deals with un-guaranteed money in the final 3rd years. With the cap expected to drop, LeBron mighn't opt out, it looks like Ferry is looking at the 2011 off-season.
baseline bum
08-08-2009, 01:04 AM
I'm no cap expert but they would have had to renounce rights on Z, Shaq, let AV walk this summer just to have any capspace. That's big-man depth gone.
Nah, I meant next summer. Usually a bird in the hand beats two in a bush, but I don't think Moon and Parker are going to be the difference in winning a title or not (that pretty much depends on what Shaq has in the tank and whether Mo Williams can play at his regular season level in the big games). I think I would have taken the gamble and hoped to entice LeBron to stay by adding another player at the borderline all-star or better level with the 2010 capspace.
Parker and Moons contracts are 2 year deals with un-guaranteed money in the final 3rd years. With the cap expected to drop, LeBron mighn't opt out, it looks like Ferry is looking at the 2011 off-season.
As bad as the economy is and as low as the cap might be, I have to think James is opting out this summer to get his big contract in before the 2011 CBA comes in and slashes player salaries across the board. In the post-Jordan era Stern and the owners never lose in these negotiations, and they're pushing for drastic reduction in the percentage of BRI paid out to the players as well as a hard cap.
EDIT: After considering the 2011 CBA, all of a sudden I'm starting to think an extension with Cleveland looks a lot more attractive to LeBron then I previously believed. If the owners get what they want for the third time in a row, James is going to have a hard time making up what he would get for that sixth year he'd miss by walking to New York or Chicago.
KidCongo
08-08-2009, 01:11 AM
[CODE]Nah, I meant next summer. Usually a bird in the hand beats two in a bush, but I don't think Moon and Parker are going to be the difference in winning a title or not (that pretty much depends on what Shaq has in the tank and whether Mo Williams can play at his regular season level in the big games). I think I would have taken the gamble and hoped to entice LeBron to stay by adding another player at the borderline all-star or better level with the 2010 capspace.
Let me find some posts on a Cavs board addressing this.
As bad as the economy is and as low as the cap might be, I have to think James is opting out this summer to get his big contract in before the 2011 CBA comes in and slashes player salaries across the board. In the post-Jordan era Stern and the owners never lose in these negotiations, and they're pushing for drastic reduction in the percentage of BRI paid out to the players as well as a hard cap.
Actually I totally forgot about this point. I've always thought LeBron would opt out and sign the biggest contract he could (Cleveland) with the CBA going to change. Good point.
KidCongo
08-08-2009, 01:38 AM
Nah, I meant next summer. Usually a bird in the hand beats two in a bush, but I don't think Moon and Parker are going to be the difference in winning a title or not (that pretty much depends on what Shaq has in the tank and whether Mo Williams can play at his regular season level in the big games). I think I would have taken the gamble and hoped to entice LeBron to stay by adding another player at the borderline all-star or better level with the 2010 capspace.
Shaquille O'Neal $20,510,000
LeBron James $17,580,000
Zydrunas Ilgauskas $17,311,611
TOTAL $55,401,611
That is the cap hold of each player, to keep each players bird rights.
Without signing Varejao, Moon, Parker this off-season the Cavs salary would have totaled to around $22million. Add in LeBron's cap hold if he opts out. It comes to around $39-40 million without draft picks. So the Cavs re-nounce Shaq and Z to sign Bosh, Amare etc. they would have just come under a salary cap that would be around $57-58 million.
The roster would have been
Mo/Gibson
West/Green
LeBron/Eyenga
Bosh or Amare/JJ Hickson
???/Darnell Jackson
Would LeBron have stuck around for a team with 2 starters, 1 undersized sg, 1 rookie, 1 2nd year player, 2 3rd year players and a chance at Chris Bosh?
I don't think he would. As the Cavs don't have bird rights on Shaq or Z, only the MLE and BAE + vet min. to get a starting PF (if they signed OKUR), C (if the signed Amare or Bosh), to get true SG/SF depth + a good 3rd or 4th big.
Now what if the cap dropped, the max FA's would have to take a paycut or the Cavs could only sign the Okurs of free agency.
Ferry has attained assets for depth and trades with the small contracts, whilst keeping a competitive roster that looks to the future and present.
pauls931
08-08-2009, 10:53 AM
Smart. Give it one shot with Shaq, then bail. I know every talks about bird rights etc, but I bet he makes enough on endorsements that he would walk away a million here or there to boost his image and probably make even more on endorsements.
Thunder Dan
08-08-2009, 11:39 AM
really no surprises here. I'm not worried about him leaving, he is just smart and has the ability to keep his options open.
SteveJobs
08-08-2009, 06:02 PM
I hope he gets the title next year so I can put him in a commercial.
The TroutBum
08-08-2009, 09:46 PM
I hope he gets in a car wreck this year and loses both legs. Let's see how your options are after that, butt fuck.
23LeBronJames23
08-09-2009, 12:37 PM
I hope he gets in a car wreck this year and loses both legs. Let's see how your options are after that, butt fuck.
lol Wtf?
carrao45
08-09-2009, 04:39 PM
I hope he gets in a car wreck this year and loses both legs. Let's see how your options are after that, butt fuck.
Who is that girl in your sig?
duncan228
08-12-2009, 04:29 PM
LeBron James hasn't signed an extension. So what? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/LeBron-James-hasn-t-signed-an-extension-So-what;_ylt=ArMM8R6MloKCo591snHw7PO8vLYF?urn=nba,182 391)
By Kelly Dwyer
Ball Don't Lie
LeBron James has stated his preference to remain with the Cleveland Cavaliers, but he won't sign a contract extension this summer (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-lebronscontract&prov=ap&type=lgns). He'd rather wait until next summer, when the extension is still available alongside other free-agent options, and see what the climate is like then.
And, somehow, this is earthshaking.
This wasn't earthshaking in 2006, when LeBron opted to sign a three-year extension, leaving his options open should the Cavaliers (coming off a second-round loss to the Detroit Pistons) continue to surround James with, say, Larry Hughes (in the first year of a ridiculous five-year, $60 million contract) or Eric Snow.
It isn't earthshaking now, even in the wake of the Cavaliers following a season that saw them earn the NBA's best record, even in the wake of a trade that saw the Cavs send next-to-nothing to the Phoenix Suns for Shaquille O'Neal. Who, by the way, is working on a contract that expires next summer.
It's not news. This, the new Charlotte Bobcat uniform with pinstripes, is news. J.R. Smith's return to Twitterworld is news.
Not this. This is just a guy weighing his options. And, as basketball fans, we really need LeBron James to weigh his options. He has to get this one right, lest he waste his prime in the wrong place.
Everything's going terrifically for the Cavs. Yes, they backed into a bad matchup with the Magic last year, ending a 66-win season one round too early, but these things happen. Losing assistant coach John Kuester to the Pistons hurts, but these things happen. It's a long career and bad things happen. Isiah Thomas missed out on his first ring because of an ankle sprain. Michael Jordan missed out on his first ring because Scottie Pippen had a blinding migraine one particular May afternoon.
What rarely happens is the continued presence of the game's best player, playing on the team closest to his hometown, delivering on all the hype and dominating the league in a style unseen since Michael Jordan's prime. Not his early years. His prime.
It's a good problem to have. And, as stacked as the Cavaliers are, and as promising as 2009-10 will be, anything can happen. I don't want to go down the whole "[so-and-so] could be hit by a bus" route, but so-and-so could be hit by a bus. Someone could tear a ligament or break a wrist, or revert back to the poor coaching ways that left LeBron working on one of the more inefficient and unimaginative offensive teams in the NBA from 2003-2008.
That last bit, it's a tricky one. That could happen. And until LeBron actually sees what happens, he's going to hold off on committing to a team - any team - for what will be the duration of his basketball prime. You can't blame a guy for this. He can make his money at any time, mind you, this isn't about the dough. This is about winning. We should be applauding that. Cavalier fans, even, should be delirious.
So why the lack of a signed extension remains some sort of hint to Tony Kornheiser-types that he's even considering the New York Knicks is beyond me. Or even considering "Los Angeles," as Kornheiser pointed out last week. As if you're going to see "MVP James signs five-year deal with Lakers for full MLE" on the wire next summer. Ridiculous.
Better yet, the Cavaliers will have only around $34 million in salary on the books for 2010-11, plus LeBron James' cap hold. With the ever-shrinking cap, yes, this means that a pairing of James and Chris Bosh or (geez) Dwyane Wade is likely out of the picture (unless James and Bosh both agree to take a bit less to play for what would certainly be a champion), but this also means the Cavs can tinker like no other team, with James just about in hand.
Armed with the knowledge of how well O'Neal worked or didn't work, what Mike Brown may have been missing or needing during 2009-10's run (no matter how successful), the Cavs can tinker. And they can tinker with a GM in hand who has been at the helm for a while, with plenty of data and history and juice cards to deal. That wasn't the case in 2005, when newly hired Cavs GM Danny Ferry went after Larry Hughes, tossing big money at what was the best player left on the market.
And it is all about the winning. If it weren't, James would have signed by now. If James didn't opt-out, his 2010-11 salary would be a little more than $17 million next season. Because of the falling cap, James could stand to make as little as $15 million as a starting salary if he signs an extension next summer, depending on the BRI (basketball-related income) the league takes in.
Even the most optimistic estimates has James clocking in at $16 million to start next year, which means he's already giving back money just for the chance to go over options and make sure he has a place on a winner. That's commendable. And should the entire Cavalier roster break their shins in a team-building exercise (seriously, Mike Brown? Jai alai? During the playoffs?) gone wrong, and James shuffles off to another team, he'd be playing for less money that he could get in Cleveland.
And I don't want to hear about the supposed advantages he could get in the endorsement realm by heading to New York. This would be 2010, we're talking about. Everyone has cable TV, everyone has the internet, and James is just about at his saturation point endorsement-wise. The only change in prominence and name-recognition would come because he's dealing with twice as many newspapers, sports talk radio stations and an NYC-obsessed media.
So here's what we have, again.
The game's best player is almost certainly leaving money on the table in order to smartly and slowly weigh all his options, as he readies himself to sign the most important contract of his career. And before he makes a commitment to a team, any team, he wants to make sure the situation is right. And, in a rarity in pro sports, "situation" does not equal "$$$."
He's not holding any team hostage. The LeBron-to-New York stuff was hot and heavy all the way back in 2005-06. It was at full throat last year, as the Knicks started (finally) clearing salary for 2010, and the Cavs won more games than anyone else. You're telling me a few more misinformed "Pardon the Interruption" segments are going to break this team? Come on.
Here's what's going to break this team. Poor pick-and-roll defense. Poor help defense from Anderson Varejao(notes) on the baseline. Bad spacing, offensively. Poor offensive output and shooting from the power forward position. An offense that reverts to its 2003-2008 ickiness. Injuries.
That's it.
Not Tony Kornheiser. Not Nike, not Donnie Walsh, not Pat Riley, not Jay-Z, not David Stern and not LeBron James's unsigned contract extension.
LeBron James is weighing his options, and waiting to see if he has a winner to return to next summer. That's it.
Now move on.
rapliketp
08-12-2009, 09:54 PM
LeBron can get more money re-signing with the Cavs next year than if he signed an extension now.
23LeBronJames23
08-13-2009, 01:24 AM
LeBron can get more money re-signing with the Cavs next year than if he signed an extension now.
agreed
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