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Clutch City 01
08-07-2009, 04:20 PM
The Lakers only made one big personnel move this summer. And for L.A. fans, the Lakers’ acquisition of Ron Artest is a love/hate relationship.
Some laud the signing, pointing to Artest’s dedication to contributing on both ends of the floor. Other criticize his age and decision-making, and bemoan the loss of Trevor Ariza’s explosive athleticism and untapped potential.
The real result will come this season on the floor of Staples Center. But in the meantime, here at How To Watch Sports we solve things the statistical way, and Spider Graphs can give us some idea how much impact the Artest-Ariza swap might have.
If you haven’t seen Spider Graphs before, they’re a new way to reflect a player or team’s statistics in a visual way that gives you an overall impression of their style. If you’re unfamiliar with how to read them and how they’re created, read the quick Spider Graph explanation here (http://howtowatchsports.com/spider-graphs-charting-basketball-statistics/) before you go any further.
And just as a refresher, the top half of the graph is offense, the bottom is defense; the top right is perimeter players, and the bottom left is big men.
The Lakers are unique among the league’s elite teams in that their offseason moves were minimal. While the Magic, Cavaliers, and Celtics all made roster-shattering moves, the Lakers simply exchangeed talented small forwards straight across (via free agency) with the Houston Rockets.
To give us an idea how much each team gained and lost in the move, here is the comparison of Artest and Ariza’s 2008 statistics. These graphs use per-48-minutes instead of per-game statistics, to remove any discrepancies in playing time:

Really, we end up without too many surprises.

First of all, it’s no surprise that Artest has higher scoring numbers. It’s unlikely that he’ll have the same responsibilities in Los Angeles as he did in Houston, however, where he picked up scoring slack for the injured Tracy McGrady. He’ll be at best the Lakers’ third scoring option behind Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol, and perhaps the fourth or fifth behind Lamar Odom and even Andrew Bynum.
But we know Artest isn’t afraid of putting up shots, and he brings to the Lakers another offensive threat that can punish defenses if they play off him to double Kobe.
That said, It’s still likely that Artest and Ariza’s raw scoring numbers will be reversed next season as they fill each others roles on their new teams.
The biggest surprise of the graph is that Ariza’s defensive numbers outdo Artest’s. While Artest is a physical defender, Ariza is younger and quicker—and we see his ability to jump passing lanes reflected in his strong steals axis.
Does that mean Ariza is a better defender than Artest? Not necessarily—steals and blocks often come when acting as a help defender instead of an on-ball defender (where Artest shines). But it does mean that they’re at least in the same category.
So, both players have their strengths. But is it enough to dramatically shift the team one direction or the other?

Short answer: Not really.
This graph adds together the Lakers starting five, with Ariza in place for last year and Artest for this year. The other starting four are Derek Fisher, Bryant, Gasol, and Bynum.
What we can see here is a loaded Laker team that has swapped out one talented small forward for another. Any difference that Artest makes over Ariza statistically is incremental, and thus the 2008-09 and 2009-10 graphs are almost identical.
The biggest differences, then, will be the intangibles that Artest can bring. He’s a strong leader, and may fit quite well in to Phil Jackson’s ’system.
Adding Artest certainly can’t make the Lakers worse. And even if the team doesn’t get much better, that’s probably still okay.
They did win the championship, after all.

This is the second in a series of articles analyzing the offseason moves of the league’s elite teams, each using Spider Graphs. Check out the Orlando Magic analysis here (http://howtowatchsports.com/2009/08/and-for-their-next-trick-the-orlando-magics-offseason-moves-in-spider-graphs/).


http://howtowatchsports.com/2009/08/if-it-aint-broke-the-lakers-offseason-moves-in-spider-graphs/

kwamay_brown54
08-07-2009, 04:28 PM
Here is one quick little caveat for those who think the Artest signing was weak. The Lakers were the 16th best defensive rebounding team in the league, yet they still led the league in overall rebounding. If you actually look at the lakers defensive rebound rate, its pretty mediocre compared to the other elite teams. There is a definite reason for this, Gasol, Bynum, and Odom are great at getting rebounds by simple being taller than the opposing big and almost never actually box out their man. This is one of the most frustrating things ever, since they should dominate the boards on both sides not just on offense. Artest is one of the better rebounding small forwards in the game, and he will definitely box out on rebounds, which gasol and odom don't like to do. That is significant because it will allow gasol/bynum/odom to get more rebounds.

in2deep
08-07-2009, 04:29 PM
the Lakers are gonna destroy everything in their path. Problem is, the Spurs and Celtics will also. It's gonna be clash of titans

hopefully all 3 will remain healthy and then the winner will definitely deserve all kind of respect. and not an * like last year

kwamay_brown54
08-07-2009, 04:41 PM
I always wondered how the Spurs are the top defensive rebounding team in the league, with hardly any elite rebounders except for duncan. I guess credit goes to their coaching staff and duncan for creating a solid defensive system.

in2deep
08-07-2009, 04:49 PM
Get past the Mavs first you ass crack.

lol, you mad?

Amaso
08-07-2009, 04:50 PM
the Lakers are gonna destroy everything in their path. Problem is, the Spurs and Celtics will also. It's gonna be clash of titans

hopefully all 3 will remain healthy and then the winner will definitely deserve all kind of respect. and not an * like last year

How was last year an asterisk? The Spurs were never contenders and the Lakers were the only elite team.

UrAphag
08-07-2009, 04:53 PM
How was last year an asterisk? The Spurs were never contenders and the Lakers were the only elite team.
All of the spurs championships this decade has an *.

hater
08-07-2009, 04:53 PM
Rockets best player: injured
Spurs 1 of their big 3: injured
Celtics 1 of their big 3: injured

just face it lakerfans, get over it, and take the * championship. shit , we did in 99 :lol

in2deep
08-07-2009, 04:54 PM
:lobt: *
fixed :lol

blink
08-07-2009, 04:56 PM
:lol

djohn2oo8
08-07-2009, 05:03 PM
Boston faced an injured Lakers, so did Detroit. Those teams still earned their title, just as we did. You guys won in a lock out season. The season itself has an *, therefore, the title winner has one as well

Bynum was injured when they played Boston, but he didn't contribute during last season's playoffs

kwamay_brown54
08-07-2009, 05:03 PM
Rockets best player: injured
Spurs 1 of their big 3: injured
Celtics 1 of their big 3: injured

just face it lakerfans, get over it, and take the * championship. shit , we did in 99 :lol


You can't revise history, a champion is a champion, and it is earned 100% everytime.

in2deep
08-07-2009, 05:03 PM
LOL Bynum

kwamay_brown54
08-07-2009, 05:05 PM
You talk as if Bynum contributed in the playoffs


As useless as the 20 minutes of play and 5 fouls per game average that Bynum had in the playoffs seemed to a casual observer, there was actually a significant contribution made by Bynum. His 20 minutes a game allowed for Lamar not to have diminishing returns if he had to play 40+ minutes. It also allowed for Gasol to save fouls early, by not having to guard the other team's center. And his 5 fouls per game were almost always hard fouls committed in the paint, which deters team's from penetrating more often than you think.

djohn2oo8
08-07-2009, 05:08 PM
Ariz was injured as well.

And he obviously made the Lakers more athletic

all_heart
08-07-2009, 05:08 PM
You can't revise history, a champion is a champion, and it is earned 100% everytime.

I agree w/that assessment.. now lakaluva can stuff any opinion of his where the sun dont' shine:lol:lol

tlongII
08-07-2009, 05:10 PM
It doesn't really matter. They're playing for 2nd place.

kwamay_brown54
08-07-2009, 05:14 PM
It goes both way, Spurs earned their titles fair and square and so did lakers.

djohn2oo8
08-07-2009, 05:17 PM
It goes both way, Spurs earned their titles fair and square and so did lakers.

Serving them Pau Gasol on a silver platter sure helped

Chillen
08-07-2009, 05:24 PM
Only if Ron Artest doesn't show up to play at the Staples center on court in his underwear. LOL.

There indeed could be chemistry issues, I think Phil Jackson is a great enough coach to make it mesh but it's still possible. My guess is we will see something very similar to the 96-98 3peat Bulls with Dennis Rodman, Jackson could use Artest as a rebounding machine and hard nosed defender like he did with Rodman.

kwamay_brown54
08-07-2009, 05:26 PM
Only if Ron Artest doesn't show up to play at the Staples center on court in his underwear. LOL.

There indeed could be chemistry issues, I think Phil Jackson is a great enough coach to make it mesh but it's still possible. My guess is we will see something very similar to the 96-98 3peat Bulls with Dennis Rodman, Jackson could use Artest as a rebounding machine and hard nosed defender like he did with Rodman.

Ding! Ding! Ding! I guarantee you Phil Jackson will just tell Artest to grab every single rebound he can and only focus on defense, and watch the results. The lakers haven't had a player who boxed out for a rebound in 3 years until Artest showed up.

all_heart
08-07-2009, 05:31 PM
He pretty much verified what I said you jack rabbit.

So what.. I never said the Lakers didn't deserve the title..

Amuseddaysleeper
08-07-2009, 07:07 PM
Uhhh artest isn't close to the rebounder rodman was when he was with the Bulls in the late 90's

The Franchise
08-07-2009, 07:23 PM
Uhhh artest isn't close to the rebounder rodman was when he was with the Bulls in the late 90's

He's not close to the defender he was either.

Dunc n Dave
08-07-2009, 07:27 PM
Boston faced an injured Lakers, so did Detroit.

Careful there luva, your buddy Culburn might call you out and say that you using the "injury excuse" for the Lakers in 2008 and 2004 just makes your team look "weak & puny.":lol

Culburn369
08-07-2009, 07:47 PM
Hey, Dunc, welcome back, youngster!

We missed ya.

Dunc n Dave
08-07-2009, 07:50 PM
Hey, Dunc, welcome back, youngster!

We missed ya.

Ah, that's sweet! Where did you and luva disappear to for a few days? Kori took the board down for a few hours and you guys were MIA for 2 or 3 days after that. I was afraid someone else ran you off before I could:toast

My Fault
08-07-2009, 09:01 PM
Rockets best player: injured
Spurs 1 of their big 3: injured
Celtics 1 of their big 3: injured

just face it lakerfans, get over it, and take the * championship. shit , we did in 99 :lol
Injuries are part of the game and its not the Lakers caused them. It happens and they still were a strong team who were likely to win it all regardless. No need to try to take that away from them. Last year the Spurs had no chance to win it all with Finley and Bonner as starters. This year I like the chances they have to take on the Lakers :toast

spursfan1000
08-07-2009, 09:10 PM
Id say they are better off with Ariza because he is younger, knows the system and he causes less problems.

23LeBronJames23
08-07-2009, 10:27 PM
how would we know if artest will be better then Ariza with LA when we didnt even see artest play a game with Lakess

djohn2oo8
08-07-2009, 10:31 PM
I'll just say that NO ONE can control Artest on the court, not even Phil

The Franchise
08-08-2009, 01:43 AM
Artest has never come in on a team this talented before. He has a lot riding on this, and he knows it. The simple fact that he came to LA tells you his mind is headed in the right direction. He'll be fine. He's just starving for attention, and there will be no lack of it in LA.

Let the sideshow begin!!! :toast