Eurobasket 2009 (main thread)

[ChumpDumper]

Wait, did the Greek embassy say I'm racist or was that KBP repeating himself?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Polish organiser doesn't know Greeks very well. One oversized bed would be enough. Now there is 10 very angry players.


:lmao

[Freeze]

Wait, did the Greek embassy say I'm racist or was that KBP repeating himself?

I believe they told KBP he is racist.

:downspin:

[PGDynasty24]

all I have to say. USA owns all these euros

[mountainballer]

What did the Greek embassy have to say about your complaint?

nothing. the Greek embassy is on strike.
(they demand their place of work closer to home)

[manufan10]

nothing. the Greek embassy is on strike.
(they demand their place of work closer to home)

Lies. You make lies all time about Greeks. You know nothing you racist scum. Every day you come here and lie and make racist posts against Greece. Shut up liar!




:lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Darius Washington was cut from Macedonia roster.

[Slomo]

The hotel at Poznan Poland where Greek team is staying only gave 11 beds for 12 players. The team is very mad because now Zisis and Spanoulis have to share a bed and they are upset about this.

Also the room where Bourousis stays had just a hole where the window is. All hotels are booked in the area and they are stuck in this mess.


You guys do know that Polanprzem works at a hotel over there?

Anyways: Thanks Polanprzem, job well done! :tu

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You guys do know that Polanprzem works at a hotel over there?

Anyways: Thanks Polanprzem, job well done! :tu

Is this the same motherfucker that screwed up the team's reservation?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Eurobasket odds for 1-10 places from all main bookies.

Gold Medal
Spain 1.61

Silver Medal
Greece 10

Bronze Medal
France 13

4th place
Lithuania 15

5th place
Slovenia 21

6th place
Serbia 21

7th place
Croatia 26

8th place
Turkey 29

9th place
Russia 76

10th place
Poland 151

[ploto]

07.09.2009
F.Y.R. of Macedonia vs. Greece
Russia vs. Latvia
Great Britain vs. Slovenia
Poland vs. Bulgaria
Croatia vs. Israel
France vs. Germany
Serbia vs. Spain
Turkey vs. Lithuania

08.09.2009
Israel vs. F.Y.R. of Macedonia
Germany vs. Russia
Slovenia vs. Serbia
Lithuania vs. Poland
Greece vs. Croatia
Latvia vs. France
Spain vs. Great Britain
Bulgaria vs. Turkey

09.09.2009
F.Y.R. of Macedonia vs. Croatia
Russia vs. France
Spain vs. Slovenia
Poland vs. Turkey
Israel vs. Greece
Germany vs. Latvia
Great Britain vs. Serbia
Lithuania vs. Bulgaria

[Freeze]

Eurobasket odds for 1-10 places from all main bookies.

Gold Medal
Spain 1.61

Silver Medal
Greece 10

Bronze Medal
France 13

4th place
Lithuania 15

5th place
Slovenia 21

6th place
Serbia 21

7th place
Croatia 26

8th place
Turkey 29

9th place
Russia 76

10th place
Poland 151

You're wrong again, the odds are to win it all, not for the rankings you wrote.

[ChumpDumper]

Lies!

In Europe gives out medals for odds before tournament. Everyone know this. You are racist scum! Go smoke a cross!

[duncan228]

Spain favored to win European basketball title (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-europeanchampionship&prov=ap&type=lgns)
By Ryan Lucas

The European basketball championship opens Monday with Spain once again starting out as the favorite.

The Spaniards enter the tournament with a squad laden with NBA talent and the motivation to win a European title after losing in the final at home two years ago.

Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol leads the team, which lost to the United States 118-107 in the gold medal game at last year’s Beijing Olympics. Gasol is joined by his brother Marc, a Memphis Grizzlies forward, and Portland Trail Blazers guard Rudy Fernandez.

Spain won the world title in 2006 and hopes its talent and international experience will finally result in a European title.

But the Spaniards, who have been runner-up six times, are wary of being tabbed the tournament favorite in Poland. Spain hosted the 2007 competition, only to be upset by Russia 60-59 in the final.

“Two years ago we were also favorites and we know what happened,” coach Sergio Scariolo said. “Winning titles isn’t so easy.”

Pau Gasol is coming off minor surgery on his left index finger last month after injuring it in practice, but should be ready to lead the team when it opens play in Group C against Serbia on Monday.

“It’s not exactly what we wished for, but instead of feeling sorry for ourselves over what happened, we’ve tried to find the right solution,” Scariolo said. “Our idea is that Marc (Gasol) and Felipe (Reyes) can’t limit themselves to believing they’re just substitutes for Pau.”

Defending champion Russia begins its title defense against Latvia in Group B, but without Utah Jazz forward Andrei Kirilenko, who averaged 18 points per game and earned tournament MVP honors in 2007.

In what could have been an intriguing matchup, France opens against Germany in the other half of Group B. San Antonio Spurs point guard Tony Parker leads France, which will look to get back on the podium after dropping to eighth place two years ago.

Germany, however, will be without its NBA star, Dirk Nowitzki. The Dallas Mavericks forward led all scorers at the 2007 championships with 24 points per game, but Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has refused to allow him to play in the tournament.

Greece, the 2005 champion, opens the tournament against Macedonia in Group A, where Croatia also takes on Israel.

In Group D, traditional power Lithuania opens against host Poland, and Turkey takes on Bulgaria.

The top three teams from each group advance to two six-team qualifying-round groups. The top four teams from each group—taking into account results from the preliminary rounds—advance to the quarterfinals. The final will be played in Katowice on Sept. 20.

[duncan228]

Orlando Magic center Marcin Gortat proud to play for Polish National team (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-sportsgortat06090609sep06,0,4487608.story)
By Josh Robbins
Sentinel Staff Writer

One of Marcin Gortat's dreams soon will come true.

The Orlando Magic center will wear a red-and-white jersey with the word "Polska" on its front. A flag-waving crowd of adoring fans will fill the stands. His country's national anthem will play before tipoff of a crucial game.

And it will all happen in Wroclaw, Poland, just 130 miles from his birthplace.

Gortat's homeland is hosting Europe's biggest international basketball tournament, EuroBasket, for the first time since 1963, and he is one of the event's main attractions. Gortat is the only current NBA player on Poland's national team, which will play its first tournament game on Monday against Bulgaria.

"The group of people that we have right now is probably the strongest team we've ever had in the basketball history of our country," Gortat said in a phone interview. "That's going to be a huge, huge chance for most of us to win something in our life. We had a discussion with our coach, and he told us that there's going to be only one chance — one life chance — when we're going to have an opportunity to play in front of our own crowd."

Gortat, 25, already is a celebrity in Poland. Easily recognizable at 6 feet 11, he can't walk on a crowded street without people swarming around him.

The last three months have raised his profile back home. In June he became the first Polish-born athlete to play in the NBA Finals. In July, Gortat signed a five-year $34 million offer sheet from the Dallas Mavericks, only to see the Magic retain him by matching the deal.

Orlando's decision caught him by surprise. He didn't expect the Magic to commit so much money to a reserve.

"It wasn't any disappointment," Gortat said. "It just isn't normal for the team to match the offer for a backup center who is playing 10 minutes a game. It was just a huge surprise for me. But I'm really happy that I'm going to have this opportunity to play for this team [the Magic] again. Obviously, we're going to have a good team, and our goal is going to be to win the championship."

Gortat said he has recovered completely from a back injury he sustained Aug. 14 in an exhibition against Great Britain. He said the injury turned out to be a muscle pull and added that he now feels "great."

This is the second consecutive summer in which a Magic center will play in a major international competition. Last year, Dwight Howard won Olympic gold with Team USA.

"I think all those experiences are good," Magic Coach Stan Van Gundy said. "I've never seen anything but a positive with the guys I've coached that have played in those things. I've never seen a downside to it. I think it helps him [Gortat] and beyond that, I think guys playing for their country is something that should be supported anyway."

Magic swingman Mickael Pietrus decided against playing for France in EuroBasket. Pietrus' agent, Bill McCandless, said Pietrus played at the end of last season with "microfractures" in his right wrist and wanted to give the wrist additional time to heal. Pietrus should be fully recovered by the time the Magic begin training camp on Sept. 29.

Gortat hopes he'll have a quick turnaround from the end of EuroBasket to training camp because the tournament's championship game will be played on Sept. 20.

It will be a tough road. Spain, the reigning world champion, has Pau Gasol, Ricky Rubio and Juan Carlos Navarro on its roster. France has Tony Parker and Boris Diaw. Turkey has former Magic player Hedo Turkoglu.

"I believe we can have a big result in this tournament," Gortat said. "The main factor is going to be that we're going to be playing in front of our own crowd. So this is a huge, huge thing for us."

[sonic21]

All the infos about the tournament:

http://www.eurobasket2009.org/en/cid_toT,ovGDH2EaLKL67XnPo2.pageID_znH-9TRlHsQ89rbQiy3N,3.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.s eason_2009.html

[Bukefal]

Darius Washington was cut from Macedonia roster.

Yeah, Coach Arsic chose for fellow American Jeremiah Massey. Too bad, personally i think darius was better for us. But on the other hand, we also need a better player in that position, so Massey is useful, tough decision it was. As point guard we have Vrbica Stefanov and another PG, Stefanov is one of the best, we need him so he would be playing for sure, he will retire after eurobasket. So i guess after this tournament Darius will take his position and continue with the NT.

But he is going to Poland also, he trains with the players and is just sitting on the bench.

[Bukefal]

I cant wait for tonight, to see these ancient rivals play eachother. finally!!!! May the best one win! :)

[romain.star]

So today begins the 2009 Euro...

This tournament should be very interesting.

Here is a quick presentation of the contenders.


Favorite for gold:
1. Spain (gold in Japan, silver in Beijing, they are the team to beat. Gasol, Rubio, Navarro, Fernandez... the starting 5 is impressive and the bench is pretty dense too. Since 1999, Spain has won 3 sliver medals and 1 bronze medal in Euros, it is now time to claim the Gold. However, there are a few reasons to believe for non spaniard fans: Calderon is out, Gasol was injured during the preparation and the loss by more than 20 pts against Lithuania)

Outsiders:
2. Slovenia (no superstar but a bunch of experienced and talented players led by a great coach: Juric Zdovc)
3. Turkey (a great duo with Turkoglu and llyasova, many dominant big men... but a weak backcourt, it could hurt against the best teams)
4. France (with TP, Diaw, Turiaf, F Pietrus, Batum or Diot, this is possibly the best team on paper but here is a group of guys who can win against Spain and lose against Belgium 7 days later)
5. Croatia (talented team with a very good bench)
6. Grece (well organised and very experienced, the Greek NT will lean on their duo Spanoulis - Bourousis but without Papaloukas and Diamantidis, getting a medal would be a true exploit)
7. Russia (No Kirilenko, no JR Holden, an injured Khryapa... the reigning european champs know how to win but they will have a hard time achieving an historical back to back)
8. Lithuania (like Greece and Russia, they will miss many of their best players: llgauskas, Jasikevicius, Siskauskas, Songaila, Kakenas. The frontcourt is solid, the backcourt is not...)

[benefactor]

Greece will get owned.

[sonic21]

France will suck against average teams and play good against contenders.

[romain.star]

France will suck against average teams and play good against contenders.

this is what the French sport is all about

[Texas_Ranger]

:lol @ Zdovc being a great coach...HAHAHA!!! :lmao

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yeah, Coach Arsic chose for fellow American Jeremiah Massey. Too bad, personally i think darius was better for us. But on the other hand, we also need a better player in that position, so Massey is useful, tough decision it was. As point guard we have Vrbica Stefanov and another PG, Stefanov is one of the best, we need him so he would be playing for sure, he will retire after eurobasket. So i guess after this tournament Darius will take his position and continue with the NT.

But he is going to Poland also, he trains with the players and is just sitting on the bench.

I will not be mean to you my friend like others are. I think if they wanted to have Macedonia on the jersey they could have it.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I cant wait for tonight, to see these ancient rivals play eachother. finally!!!! May the best one win! :)

You can have luck against Croats and Israelis but not for tonight.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Greece will get owned.

These are the betting odds idiot. I am sure that from all the bookies the #2 rank team will get "owned" :rolleyes:lmao

Gold Medal
Spain 1.61

Silver Medal
Greece 10

Bronze Medal
France 13

4th place
Lithuania 15

5th place
Slovenia 21

6th place
Serbia 21

7th place
Croatia 26

8th place
Turkey 29

9th place
Russia 76

10th place
Poland 151

[sonic21]

you're right.

betting odds = final results

[Danny.Zhu]

Just hope Tony won't get hurt.

[romain.star]

:lol @ Zdovc being a great coach...HAHAHA!!! :lmao

Ok this is just my (biased) opinion but i think he's got the potential to be a great coach.

[Freeze]

These are the betting odds idiot. I am sure that from all the bookies the #2 rank team will get "owned" :rolleyes:lmao


The bookies gives 10% chance to Greece to win..... that's not much for the best team ever in the world of europe of the century.....

[mathbzh]

The bookies gives 10% chance to Greece to win..... that's not much for the best team ever in the world of europe of the century.....

This is a trick from the Greek Mob... easy money:rolleyes

[mountainballer]

I will not be mean to you my friend like others are.

who has ever been mean to Bukefal?
(I don't know what's worse, being called a**hole by KBP or "my friend")

[Texas_Ranger]

Greece is playing with Macedonia.

[Texas_Ranger]

Greece player just got raped by the dunk! NICE!!

[Henke]

Greece player just got raped by the dunk! NICE!!

Look at the score and STFU

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Greece beating FYROM by 24 at halftime. So much for Greece getting "owned":lmao:rollin:blah:rolleyes

[Texas_Ranger]

Look at the score and STFU

Who cares if Greece wins. They are like 50 X better.
I just said it was a great dunk, so you STFU bitch!

[Slo spurs fan]

Very good 1st half by Greece and very poor one by Macedonia.

[Spursfan092120]

I'm just curious why this is in the Spurs Forum when there's already a Euro Thread in the NBA Forum..wouldn't that make more sense?

[Tracy McGrady]

This Eurobasket is some bad shit.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I'm just curious why this is in the Spurs Forum when there's already a Euro Thread in the NBA Forum..wouldn't that make more sense?

It is Spurs related because Parker and Mahinmi and De Colo and such.

[Spursfan092120]

It is Spurs related because Parker and Mahinmi and De Colo and such.
Understandable...but if a thread is already in the NBA Forum, we don't need it in here too...just saying.

[Tracy McGrady]

It is Spurs related because Parker and Mahinmi and De Colo and such.

Fuck this Euro shit. There's already a France NT thread for the hardcore France fans.

[manufan10]

:toast


You are a faker anyway. You never once say anything about all the racism against Greeks because you agree with it just like all the other Macedonians you are a racist.

Even you cannot defend a Greek that you know is not even racist against Macedonia. Pathetic. You are no less racist than these imperialist American jew nazis.


I will not be mean to you my friend like others are. I think if they wanted to have Macedonia on the jersey they could have it.

:lmao

Talk about hypocrite. You're the only one being "mean" to him. :bang

[Solid D]

Understandable...but if a thread is already in the NBA Forum, we don't need it in here too...just saying.

Spurs Forum has historical precedence for FIBA events over the years so even though there is an NBA forum thread, it proabably is okay to have a thread here also. Not my call but it's one of those grey area situations where SpursTalk has always had a certain degree of interest, due to the Spurs' use of European talent over the years.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

fuck this euro shit. There's already a france nt thread for the hardcore france fans.

fuck you

[romain.star]

Spurs Forum has historical precedence for FIBA events over the years so even though there is an NBA forum thread, it proabably is okay to have a thread here also. Not my call but it's one of those grey area situations where SpursTalk has always had a certain degree of interest, due to the Spurs' use of European talent over the years.

yeah that's why I started a Euro thread in the spurs forum... my bad, i though it wouldn't be a problem

[manufan10]

fuck you

That's a short never coming back.. You just can't stop can you? :nope

[Bukefal]

Greece beating FYROM by 24 at halftime. So much for Greece getting "owned":lmao:rollin:blah:rolleyes

So now its FYROM ? :depressed Wht is FYROM anyway? :sleep
:toast

[romain.star]

fuck you

How can you be so arrogant and violent in every single post? This is just crazy man...

Let's hope you're just a 14 years old bastard, otherwise, you have some serious issues and i'm sorry for you

[Bukefal]

Anyway, we got smashed, big time. I dont know what happened, of course Greece is better, more quality for sure, no comment on that. But we did not gave our best, like we did against other countries in the test games. Its a shame, but well what to do. Im a sportsman, and even though Greece are my biggest rivals and enemies, congratulations to you, a very very deserved win.

But i really enjoyed the faces of the Greeks when they saw the huge Macedonian flag ;) Massey made a nice dunk, Darius Washington was there immediately shaking his hands.

I hope we can do better against Israel and Croatia. Israel is beat-able. We just need to get our shit together and play like before, then we'll be able to beat Israel. Croatia will be tougher, but we've done great one week ago against them, so maybe some revenge time. We'll see

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So now its FYROM ? :depressed Wht is FYROM anyway? :sleep
:toast

Republic of Macedonia. Anyway it is funny seeing Massey play for your team when he also has played in Aris.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

How can you be so arrogant and violent in every single post? This is just crazy man...

Let's hope you're just a 14 years old bastard, otherwise, you have some serious issues and i'm sorry for you

I am very nice guy. So there.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Russians beat Latvia. MCarty had huge plays down stretch.

[Bukefal]

Yeah, he was very good in Aris.
http://kourkouti.yooblog.gr/files/2007/11/kourkouti-aris-jmassey-force-2.jpg

He is a great player, he knows greek style of play, but still, I think we should have taken Darius Washington. I hate the shitty rule that you cant have 2 neutralized players

[manufan10]

I am very nice guy. So there.

Evidence of KBP being a very "nice" guy.

Just from this thread:


I don't give a fuck what you think. Dragic better than Spanoulis? Alston better than Spanoulis? You are seriously on drugs.


You are a complete moron. Have fun watching Spanoulis and Dragic stats at Eurobasket and owning yourself.


BURN IN HELL. Alston would NOT make the Greek national team roster.

Even with Diamantidis and Papaloukas off the team this summer the 4 guards are Spanoulis, Zisis, Calathes (the worst guard we have this year by far) and Kalabokis.

Even Calathes is way better than Alston. He's a better ball handler, defender, passer, and about the same in shooting because he can't shot at all either.

Alston would never stand a chance to make that roster. Even our third guard Kalabokis is way better than him you fucking loser. I don't know if you are retarded or just being a an a-hole. But any Rockets fan that actually has seen Alston and Spanoulis play and actually believes what you say here (not just talking your stupid shit) but if you actually believe that then you need help.

You probably never even watched a game even once.


Shut the fuck up. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

You need to slit your damn wrists. There is no god damn excuse for your racist shit. STOP it god damn it.

:lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yeah, he was very good in Aris.
http://kourkouti.yooblog.gr/files/2007/11/kourkouti-aris-jmassey-force-2.jpg

He is a great player, he knows greek style of play, but still, I think we should have taken Darius Washington. I hate the shitty rule that you cant have 2 neutralized players

Naturalized. Yes our guards destroyed your team. You needed Darius more I think.

[mountainballer]

why does every thread involving KBP remind me about this dialog?


Otto West: You, pompous, stuck-up, snot-nosed, English, giant, twerp, scum-bag, fu**-faced, di**head, a****le!
Archibald Leech: How very interesting. You're a true vulgarian, aren't you?

hmm, maybe because Otto is the movie version of KBP?



Otto West: Don't call me stupid.
Wanda: Oh, right! To call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people! I've known sheep that could outwit you. I've worn dresses with higher IQs. But you think you're an intellectual, don't you, ape?
Otto West: Apes don't read philosophy.
Wanda: Yes they do, Otto. They just don't understand it. Now let me correct you on a couple of things, OK? Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not "Every man for himself." And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up.

[benefactor]

Evidence of KBP being a very "nice" guy.

Just from this thread:









:lol
:lol

[benefactor]

Mk_uVqAcGbE

[Slo spurs fan]

Spain:Serbia 20:32
2 min left in the 2nd qtr.

Spain sucks without help by refs. Fuck them.

[Texas_Ranger]

Serbia is amazing. With this kind of game they will destroy our team.

[Slo spurs fan]

Halftime 38-23 (!!!!!) Serbia.
Great defense by Serbs.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Once again NBA fans are embarrassed. Every time I tell them next generation of Serbia is way better than Spain and these stupid fucking NBA fans don't believe it.

They just laugh "where are Serbia's NBA players?" It is so funny seeing in all these games how all the NBA players are being shit on.

[sendman]

Serbia - Spain at half time.

Wow, an ass raping in front of millions of viewers. Somebody better report this to the police. This isn't legal.

[angel_luv]

Serbia is amazing. With this kind of game they will destroy our team.

No, we will become all the more mighty in the face of such great opposition and beat them big time.

Faith, Hope, and Slovenia!
:)

[Bukefal]

Whatt serbia kicking spains ass :) not many expected that. Is this their comeback on the scene? They havent been very good lately

[Slo spurs fan]

Great game by Serbs so far! +19

[Darthkiller]

yeah kristic. go thunder!

[Slo spurs fan]

Serbia 10 steals in 3qtrs

[angel_luv]

Serbia 10 steals in 3qtrs

Wow! That's impressive!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Whatt serbia kicking spains ass :) not many expected that. Is this their comeback on the scene? They havent been very good lately

They always had the most talent. Only stupid NBA fans don't know that.

[Slo spurs fan]

11th steal

[Mel_13]

They always had the most talent. Only stupid NBA fans don't know that.

And European bookmakers:


These are the betting odds idiot.

Gold Medal
Spain 1.61

Silver Medal
Greece 10

Bronze Medal
France 13

4th place
Lithuania 15

5th place
Slovenia 21

6th place
Serbia 21

7th place
Croatia 26

8th place
Turkey 29

9th place
Russia 76

10th place
Poland 151

[Slo spurs fan]

Spain is fighting their way back with10-0 run.

[Slo spurs fan]

59-50 4:39 left.

[Slo spurs fan]

It is a great joy to see refs doing their job as they should do it always. Fuck Spain.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

And European bookmakers:

hey fuck off. Your lack of basketball knowledge is disturbing. You are being proven wrong in everything in this tournament. You might as well shut your fucking mouth and learn something.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

It is a great joy to see refs doing their job as they should do it always. Fuck Spain.

The refs have always gifted wins to Spain. Maybe FIBA decided to stop it finally.

[Slo spurs fan]

The refs have always gifted wins to Spain. Maybe FIBA decided to stop it finally.

That is what I had in my mind. Remember Croatia-Spain in Belgrade?

[Slo spurs fan]

P. Gasol 0-6 FTs LOL.

[Mel_13]

hey fuck off. Your lack of basketball knowledge is disturbing. You are being proven wrong in everything in this tournament. You might as well shut your fucking mouth and learn something.

This is how you respond to a post which quotes two of your posts?:lol


Learn from you?:lol:lol

[Slo spurs fan]

66-57 SERBIA!!! Congrats

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I told the stupid Spurs fans here we needed to draft Teodosic. But no they laughed at me. Well he just made Rubio his little bitch in this game.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

That is what I had in my mind. Remember Croatia-Spain in Belgrade?

Croatia-Spain 2005

Greece-Spain 2007


DISGUSTING how the refs rigged the games for Spain.

[Slo spurs fan]

Croatia-Spain 2005

Greece-Spain 2007


DISGUSTING how the refs rigged the games for Spain.

True. Fuck Spain.

[Slo spurs fan]

I was jumping in the air when Russia beat those fuckers on their own court in 07.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I was jumping in the air when Russia beat those fuckers on their own court in 07.

Happy memories. In all the world of sports I think no one is as hated as national basketball team of Spain. They are truly the most hated in all world of sports. They are a team full of bastards.

[Slo spurs fan]

It seems that Turky will beat Lithuania +8 with 2:24 left.

[Slo spurs fan]

Happy memories. In all the world of sports I think no one is as hated as national basketball team of Spain. They are truly the most hated in all world of sports. They are a team full of bastards.

Remember their foto of national team before Beijing 08? Fuck those retarded rasist scums.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Remember their foto of national team before Beijing 08? Fuck those retarded rasist scums.

Believe me we will all be with Slovenes in that game.

[Slo spurs fan]

Turkey beat Lithuania 84-76

[manufan10]

I am very nice guy. So there.

Yup very nice..


They always had the most talent. Only stupid NBA fans don't know that.


hey fuck off. Your lack of basketball knowledge is disturbing. You are being proven wrong in everything in this tournament. You might as well shut your fucking mouth and learn something.


I told the stupid Spurs fans here we needed to draft Teodosic. But no they laughed at me. Well he just made Rubio his little bitch in this game.

You were saying?

[ChumpDumper]

What's the use in drafting a Greek player anyway?

They're horrible in the NBA and always run home after they are exposed as horrible NBA players.

[Bukefal]

They always had the most talent. Only stupid NBA fans don't know that.

True, Yugoslavia and after that Serbia(for a few years) were always the best and most talented team in the world together with USA. But the last 2-3 years Serbia dropped much, very much. I hope this a comeback and they will get in their shape.

[Pero]

True, Yugoslavia and after that Serbia(for a few years) were always the best and most talented team in the world together with USA. But the last 2-3 years Serbia dropped much, very much. I hope this a comeback and they will get in their shape.

It's interesting how good basketball is in the entire former Yugoslavia. 5 teams which can play at the European championship out of one country. No other country in the world like that. (well former Soviet Union, and the US, but they're like a million times bigger so it's not that special)

[Bukefal]

It's interesting how good basketball is in the entire former Yugoslavia. 5 teams which can play at the European championship out of one country. No other country in the world like that. (well former Soviet Union, and the US, but they're like a million times bigger so it's not that special)

Yeah that's true also, its very popular in former Yugoslavia, many young kids want to play, that keeps talent coming and there are good coaches, many opportunities.

Where are you from Pero? You have kinda Balkan name :toast

[Pero]

Where are you from Pero? You have kinda Balkan name :toast

Haha, I'm from Slovenia. :toast

[fotan2]

Spain got owned is the greatest news today

[The_Game]

Gasol struggled...might take a few games before his effects from his injury goes away

spain play GB today so no reason why he can't get back on track.

[polandprzem]

Damn Parker plays like 20 km from the place I live and I've done nothing to see/watch him ...

[velik_m]

JtmygrRRYmw

[polandprzem]

Anybody of you came to Poland for Eurobasket?

[ChumpDumper]

JtmygrRRYmwDamn, Greeks are pussies.

[Bukefal]

JtmygrRRYmw

Hahaha yeah, can you believe them? What kind of miserable people you have over there? that isnt normal anymore, the xenophobic actions. We are getting used to it by now.

Macedonians in GReece are not allowed to speak macedonian, they will get beaten up and harrassed all their life, in finding jobs etc. Macedonian airplanes arent allowed to cross greek airspace just because the plane has MK on it. In international sport tournaments they make us use FYROM, somethimes when the clothes says Macedonia, they refuse to play and complain to the organisers, who eventually forces us to take the jackets off. It happened last week at a sailing contest in Serbia. So we left. Ridiculous.

When Macedonians from Australia who were born in the Macedonian part that is now under Greek control return to their home cities and villages, they greek border police looks at their passports and sees that the birthplace still says, the name of the village in macedonian and country macedonia, so policemen simply say; there is no place like that. Go back.

If i wear my Macedonian basketball jersey over there i have to wait hours at the border, they can throw me in jail and have to be afraid some extremist greeks will not molest me.

They made us change our flag in 1994 and now they want to change our name. When a Macedonian car enters Greece it gets vandalized or they return you because there is a MK sticker on the car.

Crazy thing is that 20 years ago they did not even know what Macedonia was, they did not even know about our history and the grandparents of the current greek politicians even recognised our language and our nation. But now they want to steal everything. Hysteria.

But I still do not hate Greeks! I am surprised KBP says the name Macedonia! :toast Gia mas KBP

You had to see their face when they saw the big macedonian flag, the greeks were going crazy. We lost, deserved, but the one thing we did great, was the fans!

[Bukefal]

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2845/610xwk.jpghttp://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7513/610xvv.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4930/610xvcb.jpghttp://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6915/hellas0709b15b.jpg

[Bukefal]

Damn Parker plays like 20 km from the place I live and I've done nothing to see/watch him ...

What are you waiting for!? Go see him! :) Eva is there too! :lol

[polandprzem]

What are you waiting for!? Go see him! :) Eva is there too! :lol

I know shes there, but mostly she is textmessaging and is not intrested in basketball :)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2845/610xwk.jpghttp://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7513/610xvv.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4930/610xvcb.jpghttp://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6915/hellas0709b15b.jpg

Not one person in that pictures of Macedonian blood.

[Bukefal]

Not one person in that pictures of Macedonian blood.

I dont get you, first all ethic, "yeah i recognize macedonia and macedonians" and i even complimented you and now this, what's the problem?

[MB20]

Hahaha yeah, can you believe them? What kind of miserable people you have over there? that isnt normal anymore, the xenophobic actions. We are getting used to it by now.

Macedonians in GReece are not allowed to speak macedonian, they will get beaten up and harrassed all their life, in finding jobs etc. Macedonian airplanes arent allowed to cross greek airspace just because the plane has MK on it. In international sport tournaments they make us use FYROM, somethimes when the clothes says Macedonia, they refuse to play and complain to the organisers, who eventually forces us to take the jackets off. It happened last week at a sailing contest in Serbia. So we left. Ridiculous.

When Macedonians from Australia who were born in the Macedonian part that is now under Greek control return to their home cities and villages, they greek border police looks at their passports and sees that the birthplace still says, the name of the village in macedonian and country macedonia, so policemen simply say; there is no place like that. Go back.

If i wear my Macedonian basketball jersey over there i have to wait hours at the border, they can throw me in jail and have to be afraid some extremist greeks will not molest me.

They made us change our flag in 1994 and now they want to change our name. When a Macedonian car enters Greece it gets vandalized or they return you because there is a MK sticker on the car.

Crazy thing is that 20 years ago they did not even know what Macedonia was, they did not even know about our history and the grandparents of the current greek politicians even recognised our language and our nation. But now they want to steal everything. Hysteria.

But I still do not hate Greeks! I am surprised KBP says the name Macedonia! :toast Gia mas KBP

You had to see their face when they saw the big macedonian flag, the greeks were going crazy. We lost, deserved, but the one thing we did great, was the fans!

Wow. I didn´t know. :wow
Unbelievable.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

We lost, deserved, but the one thing we did great, was the fans!

Same with us, Bulgaria, oh well. At least we can boast with the best coach out there. :toast

[Indazone]

Because this is reality?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6nvZlnqI5gs/SBkDFjsp3aI/AAAAAAAAC3E/jW-ESfCA1P8/s400/macedonia-change-name.jpg

[quentin_compson]

Pathetic finish by Germany against France yesterday. Still, there are people in Germany who actually believe this team has something of a future (just because there are a lot of young players - but having young players who suck isn't exactly the same thing as having a future).

However, I was a bit disappointed with France. Except from Tony taking over at the end, they weren't that great.

[Bukefal]

Because this is reality?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6nvZlnqI5gs/SBkDFjsp3aI/AAAAAAAAC3E/jW-ESfCA1P8/s400/macedonia-change-name.jpg

or else yeah, but the thing is, we dont do anything "not-good". We just want to live in our country, be named what we are named, use the flag that is our symbol for over 2000 years, make sure that our own history isnt being stolen and be left alone in peace. That's it. We dont have a problem with them, they probably have with us. But all other things are mixed here, there is a big Macedonian minority in northern Greece, which happened to be a part of our country, they conquered it and threated all the macedonians with torture and exodus. We dont want anything extra or any problems, we do not have aspirations to claim things that is not ours, we just want to be ourselves and keep that what we have and what we are.

They are afraid they will lose a part of the country, which is historically a very important place. Also if truth about history comes out, like what is going on now they have to be ashamed in front of the whole world and their whole existence will be in danger, than it comes out that there is no real ethnically greek nation, and that half of their history is based on lies and stealing from other nations.

But slowly they are losing control over the situation, they cant cover things up anymore with lies and false claims, times are changed now.

[Bukefal]

Pathetic finish by Germany against France yesterday. Still, there are people in Germany who actually believe this team has something of a future (just because there are a lot of young players - but having young players who suck isn't exactly the same thing as having a future).

However, I was a bit disappointed with France. Except from Tony taking over at the end, they weren't that great.

But well, enough about this, time to get back to basketball. This german team sucks, Macedonia smashed them one week ago. I was very surprised France had such difficulties with them yesterday. Tony did good though.

Tonight Macedonia plays Israel. We've beat them before, and they are not so tough, we need to win this one to have any chances. I dont know what happened yesterday against the Greeks, but that isnt normal for us, thats not what we are, we did not gave our best, i dont know what their problem was.

Greece against Croatia, I think Greece will win, they are just better, are highly motivated and better finishers than Croatia is. I hope Croatia wins, but we'll see.

Latvia - France should be easy enough for france, i think france can suprise us this tournament, maybe even winning. They had to qualify and were so so, but now, i think they can come very far.

Slovenia - Serbia, Slovenia is missing their best players, their quality has dropped huge, their motivation is down and Serbia showed their class against spain. I think Serbia wins.

[Texas_Ranger]

or else yeah, but the thing is, we dont do anything "not-good". We just want to live in our country, be named what we are named, use the flag that is our symbol for over 2000 years, make sure that our own history isnt being stolen and be left alone in peace. That's it. We dont have a problem with them, they probably have with us. But all other things are mixed here, there is a big Macedonian minority in northern Greece, which happened to be a part of our country, they conquered it and threated all the macedonians with torture and exodus. We dont want anything extra or any problems, we do not have aspirations to claim things that is not ours, we just want to be ourselves and keep that what we have and what we are.

They are afraid they will lose a part of the country, which is historically a very important place. Also if truth about history comes out, like what is going on now they have to be ashamed in front of the whole world and their whole existence will be in danger, than it comes out that there is no real ethnically greek nation, and that half of their history is based on lies and stealing from other nations.

But slowly they are losing control over the situation, they cant cover things up anymore with lies and false claims, times are changed now.

:tu

[Slo spurs fan]

or else yeah, but the thing is, we dont do anything "not-good". We just want to live in our country, be named what we are named, use the flag that is our symbol for over 2000 years, make sure that our own history isnt being stolen and be left alone in peace. That's it. We dont have a problem with them, they probably have with us. But all other things are mixed here, there is a big Macedonian minority in northern Greece, which happened to be a part of our country, they conquered it and threated all the macedonians with torture and exodus. We dont want anything extra or any problems, we do not have aspirations to claim things that is not ours, we just want to be ourselves and keep that what we have and what we are.

They are afraid they will lose a part of the country, which is historically a very important place. Also if truth about history comes out, like what is going on now they have to be ashamed in front of the whole world and their whole existence will be in danger, than it comes out that there is no real ethnically greek nation, and that half of their history is based on lies and stealing from other nations.

But slowly they are losing control over the situation, they cant cover things up anymore with lies and false claims, times are changed now.


We are with you. "Small" nations must hold together and fight:ihit side by side if necessary or we will be eaten alive.

[polandprzem]

Lithuania you are going down!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I dont get you, first all ethic, "yeah i recognize macedonia and macedonians" and i even complimented you and now this, what's the problem?

I am Macedonian blood. None of them are. We all know Macedonian blood. I see no one that is that blood line there.

[Bukefal]

Damn what an exciting game it was with Israel, we played good, we leaded almost the whole game, it was kinda scary inthe last 3 minutes, but after a thrilling time, we managed to win! 79-82 Every one of our players seem back in shape except for our captain Vrbica Stefanov.

Germany suprises me, they beat Russia!

[Bukefal]

I am Macedonian blood. None of them are. We all know Macedonian blood. I see no one that is that blood line there.

You are probably everything, except Macedonian. :lol Didnt you say you were from Cyprus or Crete? First you say i am greek i am greek, than you say fuck macedonians racist jews, fuck macedonians and then you say, i am macedonian blood line? :)
:toast

[quentin_compson]

Germany suprises me, they beat Russia!

Surprised me as well, but then again, Russia was abysmally bad for most of the game - especially from the line.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Greece 52

Croatia 31

halftime


all you motherfuckers can STFU

I told you

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You are probably everything, except Macedonian. :lol Didnt you say you were from Cyprus or Crete? First you say i am greek i am greek, than you say fuck macedonians racist jews, fuck macedonians and then you say, i am macedonian blood line? :)
:toast

Blond hair blue eyes and I am tall. I have Macedonian blood my friend.

[Slo spurs fan]

We beat Serbia 80:69!!!!!

[ploto]

Slovenia 80
Serbia 69

Nachbar 17 pts; 9 rebounds

[Slo spurs fan]

greece 52

croatia 31

halftime


all you motherfuckers can stfu

i told you

54:42 stfu

edit: GREAT monster dunk by Burusis over Kasun.

[Bukefal]

We beat Serbia 80:69!!!!!

Cool, nice job!! Congratulations :toast

Now im going to watch Greece croatia

[Slo spurs fan]

Cool, nice job!! Congratulations :toast

Great day for our nations!:toast

[Bukefal]

Great day for our nations!:toast

Yeah :) :toast

:lmao macedonian fans are still sitting in the stands, cheering for Croatia.

[tso & lo Cavfanatic]

Watch Greece fuck them!:flipoff
FYROM has a basketball national team:lmao:lmaoWhat a joke?

[Bukefal]

Watch Greece fuck them!:flipoff
FYROM has a basketball national team:lmao:lmaoWhat a joke?

Ok, where did you come from? Greece? Just watch your FTCOG game and :stfu

[tso & lo Cavfanatic]

Watch your "second country" Croatia and STFU:ihit

[Bukefal]

What is your problem coming in here and insulting people, has anyone done anything? rubbed your hair in the wrong way??

[Slo spurs fan]

What is your problem coming in here and insulting people, has anyone done anything? rubbed your hair in the wrong way??

Leave those fuckers alone. Just ignore them.

[tso & lo Cavfanatic]

What is your problem coming in here and insulting people, has anyone done anything? rubbed your hair in the wrong way??
My problem is you saying "cheering for Croatia".
But i can understand you. 32 points is so much...

[Bukefal]

My problem is you saying "cheering for Croatia".

But i can understand you. 32 points is so much...

Yes and if you would read it better, you would see that i said; "macedonian fans are still sitting in the stands, cheering for Croatia."

I was speaking about Macedonian fans who were in the stadium for macedonia's game and still sitting there at the greece-croatia game, cheering for the Croats.

[ChumpDumper]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6915/hellas0709b15b.jpg:tu

Greece is horrible.

KBP is a racist.

[Kibic]

Blond hair blue eyes and I am tall. I have Macedonian blood my friend.


I am Macedonian blood. None of them are. We all know Macedonian blood. I see no one that is that blood line there.

So, not one of Greece players is actually Macedonian? Who are they? They don't have blond hair or blue eyes.

[Bukefal]

So, not one of Greece players is actually Macedonian? Who are they? They don't have blond hair or blue eyes.

They are Greeks. Macedonian players are Macedonian

[tso & lo Cavfanatic]

Yes and if you would read it better, you would see that i said; "macedonian fans are still sitting in the stands, cheering for Croatia."

I was speaking about Macedonian fans who were in the stadium for macedonia's game and still sitting there at the greece-croatia game, cheering for the Croats.
Macedonians support their country, Greece...

[Bukefal]

Macedonians support their country, Greece...

:vomit:

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So, not one of Greece players is actually Macedonian? Who are they? They don't have blond hair or blue eyes.

Modern Greeks are not same as ancient Hellenes (maybe 80% anyway). Maybe 20% of modern Greeks are same as the ancient Hellenes.

[remon]

:vomit:

Dude, do you even know what your nickname means?

Anyway, enough with the politics and the (pseudo)history and nationalism (which is what you should accuse KBP, and probably yourselves, instead of racism).

Bourousis with 19 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 steal in 29 minutes, impressive performance in the first half, 17 points with 7/7 fg, 2/2 3pt and 1 /1 ft.

[Bukefal]

Modern Greeks are not same as ancient Hellenes (maybe 80% anyway). Maybe 20% of modern Greeks are same as the ancient Hellenes.

Not even 20%, not even 5%. The modern Greeks have no link with Ancient hellenes at all.

The only ones who maybe still have a link are the people from Crete, they have some Minoan ancestry in them.

[Bukefal]

Dude, do you even know what your nickname means?

Anyway, enough with the politics and the (pseudo)history and nationalism (which is what you should accuse KBP, and probably yourselves, instead of racism).

Bourousis with 19 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 steal in 29 minutes, impressive performance in the first half, 17 points with 7/7 fg, 2/2 3pt and 1 /1 ft.

Yes i know "dude". do you? :king

I agree, lets get back to eurobasket. But at least im polite, and not insulting anyone, nor being rude and going crazy. I was being attacked and respond, tell my opinion.

[Bukefal]

KBP, I have a question for you. That sofoklis guy who apparently has Cameroon background, was he raised in Greece or in Cameroon?

[Henke]

Not even 20%, not even 5%. The modern Greeks have no link with Ancient hellenes at all.

The only ones who maybe still have a link are the people from Crete, they have some Minoan ancestry in them.

First of all I have to say that I don't give a shit about politics and FYROM(or Macedonia or whatever).

Τhis is a basketball forum and we should talk about bball.ONLY.

But dude,please stop pretending that you know about greek history because you don't know shit.

Friendly and good luck to your team.:toast

[Henke]

KBP, I have a question for you. That sofoklis guy who apparently has Cameroon background, was he raised in Greece or in Cameroon?

In Greece.His father is Greek and his mother is from Cameroon.

KBP isn't Greek,he's just a clown.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Not even 20%, not even 5%. The modern Greeks have no link with Ancient hellenes at all.

The only ones who maybe still have a link are the people from Crete, they have some Minoan ancestry in them.

I looked this up 20% of Greeks have blue eyes and in some places of Crete is 80%. of course I am from Crete so.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

In Greece.His father is Greek and his mother is from Cameroon.

KBP isn't Greek,he's just a clown.

Fuck off German Nazi.

[Bukefal]

First of all I have to say that I don't give a shit about politics and FYROM(or Macedonia or whatever).

Τhis is a basketball forum and we should talk about bball.ONLY.

But dude,please stop pretending that you know about greek history because you don't know shit.

Friendly and good luck to your team.:toast

Nice to see you have a real own opinion :) Are you a Greek? I agree, enough politics or history, it doesnt matter. But can we all than please stop the attacking and insults too please? Also, no need to use FYROM.

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3393/dntyou.png

All we ask.

Good luck to your team also :toast

[Bukefal]

I looked this up 20% of Greeks have blue eyes and in some places of Crete is 80%. of course I am from Crete so.

First you say you are Greek, then you say you are Macedonian, then you say you are Cretan? If you are a Cretan how can you be Macedonian? If you are a Greek how can you be a Macedonian? Do you mean, Minoan? That's maybe what you are.

You didnt answer my question. Where was sofoklis raised? Where did he started playing basketball?

[VasP]

You didnt answer my question. Where was sofoklis raised? Where did he started playing basketball?

http://www.bigsofo.gr/site/index.php

'Sofoklis was born in Tiko of Cameroon on June 22, 1985. His father, Constantine, went to Cameroon on business and it was there he met with Sofoklis mother Georgette. For the same actual reason, business engagements that is, the Schortsianitis family came back to Greece and their first station had been Alexandropoles. Xanthi followed next and finally Kavala, where Sofoklis career started as well. At the age of 12 he began playing basketball with Hercules of Potamia - Kavala and soon the happy news made it all over Greece. His talent and his extraordinary body type and strength, always according to his age, brought him to the small national teams and at the same time, made him a target for many teams.'

[Henke]

Fuck off German Nazi.

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin: rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:r ollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin


Why I'm German?Because I have a Dirk's photo in my avatar?:lol:lol

I'm Greek and I live in Athens.

Now it's your turn to inform us where are you from.The truth please.

[Bukefal]

http://www.bigsofo.gr/site/index.php

'Sofoklis was born in Tiko of Cameroon on June 22, 1985. His father, Constantine, went to Cameroon on business and it was there he met with Sofoklis mother Georgette. For the same actual reason, business engagements that is, the Schortsianitis family came back to Greece and their first station had been Alexandropoles. Xanthi followed next and finally Kavala, where Sofoklis career started as well. At the age of 12 he began playing basketball with Hercules of Potamia - Kavala and soon the happy news made it all over Greece. His talent and his extraordinary body type and strength, always according to his age, brought him to the small national teams and at the same time, made him a target for many teams.'

Aha, I see. Thanks! Thats interesting, half Cameroon, half Greek. I only know he was drafted by Clippers right? I wonder if he had a tough time growing up in Greece as a black. Same goes for all of the balkans.

[VasP]

Πολλοί Έλληνες μαζεύτηκαν.

[Bukefal]

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin: rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:r ollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin


Why I'm German?Because I have a Dirk's photo in my avatar?:lol:lol

I'm Greek and I live in Athens.

Now it's your turn to inform us where are you from.The truth please.

Kalos Irthate Henke! Who's your fav team? Olympiacos or Panathinaikos? :)
Gia mas :toast

Im also interested in KBP's background, he said he lives in Panama, right file? Speak out KBP! :)

[remon]

Yes i know "dude". do you? :king

And you still use it as your nickname? Of course, I don't expect anyone outside of the area that you try to convince about your 2000 years of history in the area and such to know that Boukefalos was the name of the horse of Alexander, and which is a greek word that means "ox-head".

Oher than that fact and the fact that if someone researches it could embarass you, when you say that modern greeks don't have any relation with ancient greeks and that your ancesty somehow has survived for over 2000 years, you insult me more than KBP insulted you, because you're insulting my intelligence.

Also, I wouldn't worry about KBP insulting you. After having been embarassed in so many fora, and him showing his total lack of any sense, KBP's insults should be more like a compliment.

And Vasp, please avoid greek in an english forum.

EDIT: For KBP-ian grammar.

[Bukefal]

Πολλοί Έλληνες μαζεύτηκαν.

Indeed, all of a sudden! :) Kalos irthate se olous! :toast

[The_Game]

Pau Gasol saved Spain's ass from losing to Great Britain.

would of been a huge upset more so with Deng and Gordon missing.

[Bukefal]

And you still use it as your nickname? Of course, I don't expect anyone outside of the area that you try to convince about your 2000 years of history in the area and such to know that Boukefalos was the name of the horse of Alexander, and which is a greek word that means "ox-head".

Oher than that fact and the fact that if someone researches it you could embarass, when you say that modern greeks don't have any relation with ancient greeks and that your ancesty somehow has survived for over 2000 years, you insult me more than KBP insulted you, because you're insulting my intelligence.

Also, I wouldn't worry about KBP insulting you. After having been embarassed in so many fora, and him showing his total lack of any sense, KBP's insults should be more like a compliment.

And Vasp, please avoid greek in an english forum.

Wow another one! :) Well, im sorry if you feel otherwise, but be honest, modern Greeks have nothing to do with ancient hellenes, dont hate me, its not my fault. Of course no nation is ethnically clean, so arent my people, especially in the Balkans everything is mixed.

But I do can say that in Macedonia and the Macedonians in northern Greece have more links back to the ancient Macedonians than the modern Greeks in the rest of Greece with the ancient hellenes. Except for Crete maybe. I dont insult, everyone has different opinions, you have yours, i have mine, you have your view, i have my view. That i do not agree with you, does not mean that i feel you are insulting my intelligence. You shouldnt either, if you are intelligent.

[Henke]

Kalos Irthate Henke! Who's your fav team? Olympiacos or Panathinaikos? :)
Gia mas :toast

Im also interested in KBP's background, he said he lives in Panama, right file? Speak out KBP! :)

Geia mas dude.:toast

Panathinaikos.:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

KBP is just a fucking sucker.I don't know his background,I hope he's going to tell us the truth.

[Bukefal]

Geia mas dude.:toast

Panathinaikos.:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

KBP is just a fucking sucker.I don't know his background,I hope he's going to tell us the truth.

Cool, Panathinaikos is a great club. I dont really have anything against KBP, he is a mystery to me. But I do dislike all the cursing around here. What do you think about AEK? How will they be doing next season? We have a Macedonian there now, Riste Stefanov.

[Bukefal]

Pau Gasol saved Spain's ass from losing to Great Britain.

would of been a huge upset more so with Deng and Gordon missing.

It was close. I would have loved to see GB beat them. But quality wins in the end.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

First you say you are Greek, then you say you are Macedonian, then you say you are Cretan? If you are a Cretan how can you be Macedonian? If you are a Greek how can you be a Macedonian? Do you mean, Minoan? That's maybe what you are.

You didnt answer my question. Where was sofoklis raised? Where did he started playing basketball?

WTF? I told you all this before. Stop being an ass.

[Bukefal]

WTF? I told you all this before. Stop being an ass.

Doesnt matter file. :toast

[tso & lo Cavfanatic]

I'm sorry but all of you in this forum are prejudiced against Greeks because of KBP.
He is a liar and doubt if he is a greek guy.

Bukefal, you can believe whatever you want about your country. It's your right to believe that the name is Macedonia but you can say it publicly. Legal name of your country is FYROM and until it will change you have to agrre with it. It's a provocation to us.

[ChumpDumper]

Why is it a provocation?

What are you afraid of?

[tso & lo Cavfanatic]

Cool, Panathinaikos is a great club. I dont really have anything against KBP, he is a mystery to me. But I do dislike all the cursing around here. What do you think about AEK? How will they be doing next season? We have a Macedonian there now, Riste Stefanov.
:toast

[Henke]

Cool, Panathinaikos is a great club. I dont really have anything against KBP, he is a mystery to me. But I do dislike all the cursing around here. What do you think about AEK? How will they be doing next season? We have a Macedonian there now, Riste Stefanov.

Panathinaikos is the most successful club in Europe the last 20 years.5 euroleague titles since 1996 is a great achievement.

As for AEK Athens...Best case scenario for them is to finish 4th in Greek League,it will be tough though.
Panathinaikos and then Olympiacos are by far the 2 best teams.Aris is the favorite for 3rd place and the 4th place is open for teams like Panellinios,Marousi,AEK and Panionios.

PS:Samardziski is a good player imho.Is he a starter in Zeleznik(I don't watch Adriatic league)?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I'm sorry but all of you in this forum are prejudiced against Greeks because of KBP.
He is a liar and doubt if he is a greek guy.

Bukefal, you can believe whatever you want about your country. It's your right to believe that the name is Macedonia but you can say it publicly. Legal name of your country is FYROM and until it will change you have to agrre with it. It's a provocation to us.

No they are racists against Greeks. RACIST not prejudiced. Yes I am Greek. I was born in Aghios Nikolaos.

[remon]

Wow another one! :) Well, im sorry if you feel otherwise, but be honest, modern Greeks have nothing to do with ancient hellenes, dont hate me, its not my fault. Of course no nation is ethnically clean, so arent my people, especially in the Balkans everything is mixed.

But I do can say that in Macedonia and the Macedonians in northern Greece have more links back to the ancient Macedonians than the modern Greeks in the rest of Greece with the ancient hellenes. Except for Crete maybe. I dont insult, everyone has different opinions, you have yours, i have mine, you have your view, i have my view. That i do not agree with you, does not mean that i feel you are insulting my intelligence. You shouldnt either, if you are intelligent.

You're just continuing to insult my intelligence.

It's like "mine's bigger". It just doesn't work that way. You can't say that your nation is "clearer" than another one, without proof, just by saying so it doesn't make it true, and most likely shows your lack of logic in this matter, or denial. Which is a bit nationalistic.

I'll tell you, my ancestry comes mostly from Eastern Thrace and Anatolia/Asia Minor. Yet, I'm blond with hazel eyes. How many Turks, which are the predominant people in these lands, have you seen with the same characteristics.

[Bukefal]

I'm sorry but all of you in this forum are prejudiced against Greeks because of KBP.
He is a liar and doubt if he is a greek guy.

Bukefal, you can believe whatever you want about your country. It's your right to believe that the name is Macedonia but you can say it publicly. Legal name of your country is FYROM and until it will change you have to agrre with it. It's a provocation to us.

Exactly, how can it be a provocation? So now i cant be named with what my name is? :lol come on. Its also provocative to be called FYROM. We dont have a problem, the Greeks have, we dont want our land or our people back, we dont want to claim things that are not ours. We just want our name. If your name is Stavros, who the fuck am i to tell you that you must not be stavros, but you must be Peter.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Why is it a provocation?

What are you afraid of?

To be true about this the people at the Poznan arena were all part of the ones that want to sake Saloniki to their borders. This sort of thing is like good way to cause a war.

[tso & lo Cavfanatic]

Why is it a provocation?

What are you afraid of?
It's a blasphemy. Macedonia is Greek.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You're just continuing to insult my intelligence.

It's like "mine's bigger". It just doesn't work that way. You can't say that your nation is "clearer" than another one, without proof, just by saying so it doesn't make it true, and most likely shows your lack of logic in this matter, or denial. Which is a bit nationalistic.

I'll tell you, my ancestry comes mostly from Eastern Thrace and Anatolia/Asia Minor. Yet, I'm blond with hazel eyes. How many Turks, which are the predominant people in these lands, have you seen with the same characteristics.

Does your name end with ou?

[tso & lo Cavfanatic]

Exactly, how can it be a provocation? So now i cant be named with what my name is? :lol come on. Its also provocative to be called FYROM. We dont have a problem, the Greeks have, we dont want our land or our people back, we dont want to claim things that are not ours. We just want our name. If your name is Stavros, who the fuck am i to tell you that you must not be stavros, but you must be Peter.
You like it or no, your name is FYROM.I'm sorry.

[Bukefal]

You're just continuing to insult my intelligence.

It's like "mine's bigger". It just doesn't work that way. You can't say that your nation is "clearer" than another one, without proof, just by saying so it doesn't make it true, and most likely shows your lack of logic in this matter, or denial. Which is a bit nationalistic.

I'll tell you, my ancestry comes mostly from Eastern Thrace and Anatolia/Asia Minor. Yet, I'm blond with hazel eyes. How many Turks, which are the predominant people in these lands, have you seen with the same characteristics.

I dont, im realistic, there are no clean nations in the Balkans. But, I do know Macedonians are an ethnicity, while Greeks are not. They are mostly created to be an ethnicity. To be a greek was more in a linguistic and religious sense, rather than ethnically. Maybe only just a very very small part has some ethnical links to the ancient Hellenes. You are from Asia minor, a prosfyga if i am correct? That you are blond is possible, but let me ask you, how many Greeks with blond hazel eyes have you seen in the land? Especially in Northern Greece.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

One thing is always strange to me why they choose FYROM? Because FY stands for Former Yugoslav? Is always weird to me. Is like call USA "Former England"

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I dont, im realistic, there are no clean nations in the Balkans. But, I do know Macedonians are an ethnicity, while Greeks are not. They are mostly created to be an ethnicity. To be a greek was more in a linguistic and religious sense, rather than ethnically. Maybe only just a very very small part has some ethnical links to the ancient Hellenes. You are from Asia minor, a prosfyga if i am correct? That you are blond is possible, but let me ask you, how many Greeks with blond hazel eyes have you seen in the land? Especially in Northern Greece.

You do know that many Greeks lived in Smyrna? They call it Izmir now.

[tso & lo Cavfanatic]

I dont, im realistic, there are no clean nations in the Balkans. But, I do know Macedonians are an ethnicity, while Greeks are not. They are mostly created to be an ethnicity. To be a greek was more in a linguistic and religious sense, rather than ethnically. Maybe only just a very very small part has some ethnical links to the ancient Hellenes. You are from Asia minor, a prosfyga if i am correct? That you are blond is possible, but let me ask you, how many Greeks with blond hazel eyes have you seen in the land? Especially in Northern Greece.
These are KBP's bullshits:bang

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

These are KBP's bullshits:bang

Is not bull shit. Macedonian blood line is Nordic genetics. I am talking about the real one.

[Bukefal]

It's a blasphemy. Macedonia is Greek.

You are taking it to the other end now. And i have a lot i want to discuss to with you, but i dont know if thats smart thing to do in this Eurobasket forum.

Macedonia was never Greek, Macedonia is not Greek and nor will it ever be Greek. You can complain at EU and NATO all what you want, you can call us fyrom and change our flags and harass us all that you want. But Macedonia stays, we stay, our name stays, our people stay, our language stays. Time will reveal everything, Greece is losing control and you know it. It doesnt matter, over 130 countries recognized us, everyone in the world thinks about us when they hear Macedonia, everyone calls us like that, except for you. It's a pity to have a problem right? We dont have any problems.

You cant hold us down, we are what we are file. :toast

[ChumpDumper]

To be true about this the people at the Poznan arena were all part of the ones that want to sake Saloniki to their borders. This sort of thing is like good way to cause a war.How do you know this? You took a poll of every person there yourself?


It's a blasphemy. Macedonia is Greek.But pretty much all of present day Macedonia is within the boundaries of ancient Macedonia.

So Macedonia is Macedonian.

[remon]

I dont, im realistic, there are no clean nations in the Balkans. But, I do know Macedonians are an ethnicity, while Greeks are not. They are mostly created to be an ethnicity. To be a greek was more in a linguistic and religious sense, rather than ethnically. Maybe only just a very very small part has some ethnical links to the ancient Hellenes.

Then you're just taught the wrong history in your schools.

EDIT: Meh, wrong quote.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

How do you know this? You took a poll of every person there yourself?

But pretty much all of present day Macedonia is within the boundaries of ancient Macedonia.

So Macedonia is Macedonian.

Do not be stupid. The people that was holding the flag in Poznan are same way like La Raza is in Mexico.

Also the Vergina Star has nothing to do with them. NOTHING. They are taking this as a flag and symbol that was from NOT there culture.

[Bukefal]

You do know that many Greeks lived in Smyrna? They call it Izmir now.

Yeah all those 'Greeks' were forced in 1913 to leave Asia minor and come to the newly acquired lands which Greece took from Macedonia in 1912, to settle there in Aegean MAcedonia, while all Turks living in modern Greece needed to settle in Asia Minor.

The problem was, that in Aegean Macedonia, there already lived other people, the Macedonian people. The Greeks had to find space and lands and houses for the 'greeks' from Asia minor so they tortured the Macedonians living there (home) and they threatened them to get out of the country, there the Macedonian exodus started, many Macedonians fleed to other countries. The new 'Greeks' from Asia minor took their lands and their homes, they had to learn Greek and were learned that they are in fact Macedonians and that Macedonians are Greeks, and now those people from Asia minor are telling us, that they are macedonians and we not? That's absurd isnt it? While the Macedonians who did not flee had to endure torture and torture, they werent allowed to speak their own macedonian language, their churches were burned, their graves were damaged, just because they are macedonians and live in Macedonia which was sadly enough, divided into 3 parts and one part fell under new Greek territory.

Dont tell me this did not happen, you know it, damn well.

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Any blondes here?

[Bukefal]

These are KBP's bullshits:bang

It is known that many Macedonians do have blonde hair, same as ancient macedonians. While Greeks do not

[VasP]

You like it or no, your name is FYROM.I'm sorry.

'Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia' is a temporary name.
The country will probably be named 'Republic of North Macedonia'. This name will be used for all international purposes.
But their constitutional name will remain Republic of Macedonia.

[ChumpDumper]

Do not be stupid. The people that was holding the flag in Poznan are same way like La Raza is in Mexico.How do you know?


Also the Vergina Star has nothing to do with them. NOTHING. They are taking this as a flag and symbol that was from NOT there culture.Sure it was -- it's just that Greeks like to commemorate their being conquered by more virile peoples.

[VasP]

But pretty much all of present day Macedonia is within the boundaries of ancient Macedonia.

Totally wrong.

Look at this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute

[remon]

You are from Asia minor, a prosfyga if i am correct? That you are blond is possible, but let me ask you, how many Greeks with blond hazel eyes have you seen in the land? Especially in Northern Greece.

Anyway, I'm not claiming to be a descendant of ancient macedons. I was talking about the "cleanliness" of nations etc etc.

Btw, to Chump dumper, FYROM occupies, and I'm not using the negative sense of the word here, a very small percentage of the ancient kingdom of Makedon, most of FYROMS land was called Paionia in the ancient times.

[Bukefal]

Do not be stupid. The people that was holding the flag in Poznan are same way like La Raza is in Mexico.

Also the Vergina Star has nothing to do with them. NOTHING. They are taking this as a flag and symbol that was from NOT there culture.

When we used this flag, Greeks did not even know what flag that was. You cant deny that before the Seventies, Greece did not know anything about Macedonia, nor alexander, nor the sun. It happened afterward, when they thought they could make profit of our history, in tourism, make money and image, when they started to promote the macedonia is greek idea. When they started all of a sudden to rename schools and airports and banks into MAcedonian bank, school, airport makedonia. This all was strenghtened when it came clear that yugoslavia would break up and macedonia would be independent soon, only then you started caring and claiming macedonia.

Did you know that before that Greece has officialy recognized Macedonia and the macedonians? Did you know that the Grandfather of Bakoyannis has done that?

[Bukefal]

Anyway, I'm not claiming to be a descendant of ancient macedons. I was talking about the "cleanliness" of nations etc etc.

Btw, to Chump dumper, FYROM occupies, and I'm not using the negative sense of the word here, a very small percentage of the ancient kingdom of Makedon, most of FYROMS land was called Paionia in the ancient times.

True, i do not deny that. REpublic of Macedonia today, has only a small part which belonged to Ancient Macedonia, its only the south, south of Skopje, also people from the north i agree have nothing to do with ancient macedonia. Only the south.

The rest of our country was taken in 1912, when macedonia was divided and then, and only then, became Greek land for the first time.

[VasP]

A moderator should delete most of this posts. And this 19th century nordicist/racist crap about blond Egyptians, blond Greeks, blond Romans should not be allowed.

[ChumpDumper]

Anyway, I'm not claiming to be a descendant of ancient macedons. I was talking about the "cleanliness" of nations etc etc.

Btw, to Chump dumper, FYROM occupies, and I'm not using the negative sense of the word here, a very small percentage of the ancient kingdom of Makedon, most of FYROMS land was called Paionia in the ancient times.I saw that (I misread the legend on another map), but that seems to be where most of them were forced to go. the Turks didn't live in Asia Minor originally, but now it's Turkey. I don't see much of a difference, unless you still demand that it officially be called Anatolia.

[VasP]

The rest of our country was taken in 1912, when macedonia was divided and then, and only then, became Greek land for the first time.

What country are you talking about? Macedonia was a multicultural region of the Ottoman empire. Slavic-speakers, Greeks, Turks, Vlachs, Jews etc were all leaving together.

[ChumpDumper]

A moderator should delete most of this posts. And this 19th century nordicist/racist crap about blond Egyptians, blond Greeks, blond Romans should not be allowed.It's actually kind of fun. We should move the discussion into the political forum and talk about self-determination and such.

[Bukefal]

This is a never ending story, we can continue this for days and days. Its going on for thousands of years. Its useless. I respect everyone in this world, so long that one is a good person. And I like to be threated the same. Just wanted to be called by what we are, Macedonians.

[remon]

I saw that, but that seems to be where most of them were forced to go. the Turks didn't live in Asia Minor originally, but now it's Turkey. I don't see much of a difference, unless you still demand that be called Anatolia.

Anatolia is the turkish name, why would I demand that?

Anyway, the truth is that I care about self-determination, but I also care about the people here. I wouldn't have a problem with the name and maybe with the pseudo-history, if it wasn't for territorial claims.

[Bukefal]

What country are you talking about? Macedonia was a multicultural region of the Ottoman empire. Slavic-speakers, Greeks, Turks, Vlachs, Jews etc were all leaving together.

That's true, so was Greece. Im talking about the REgion and ancient lands of MAcedonia which had a clear border and still has. Macedonians lived there and still live there, of course every nation is mixed, especially north macedonia is mostly serbian/slav, but not the south.

Do you know that there are no ethnical greeks? Do you know that your people consist of mostly Arvanites, Macedonians, Turks and Vlachs? To be Greek was created by Philhellenes from England and Bavaria royal families who idolized the ancient hellenes and knowledge back then. when they came to Greece, they expected to see the same, instead they saw nothing, primitive balkan people, just like the rest. So they created a new nation, they wanted to make a new Greece, they learned the greeks that they have in fact ancestry from ancient hellenes. That is the way modern greece was created. by giving Arvanites, Macedonians, Turks and vlachs a idolised greek consciousness.

[VasP]

This is a never ending story, we can continue this for days and days. Its going on for thousands of years. Its useless. I respect everyone in this world, so long that one is a good person. And I like to be threated the same. Just wanted to be called by what we are, Macedonians.

You are Macedonians (modern ones). That was your choice. You could have chosen to be Bulgarians or Serbians or whatever else. I respect your decision to self-identify as Macedonians.
But there was never a Macedonian country (until 1992?) in order to be divided. You are Slavic-speakers (Alexander spoke a completely different language). Don't try to convince the rest of the world that you are the grandchildren of Alexander the Great. That's hilarious. I admit that Greece is overreacting in this name issue though.

[ChumpDumper]

Anatolia is the turkish name, why would I demand that? :lol I thought it was Anadolu, Byzantium then (I know that was just a city, what did they call the whole empire)?


Anyway, the truth is that I care about self-determination, but I also care about the people here. I wouldn't have a problem with the name and maybe with the pseudo-history, if it wasn't for territorial claims.Oh, I agree it's a mess. The status of Macedonians as Greeks was apparently pretty nebulous in ancient times, but once Philip conquered most of them and his bisexual son temporarily spread Greek culture through a big chunk of the world with a Macedonian army, things got even more convoluted because everyone likes a winner.

[Bukefal]

Anatolia is the turkish name, why would I demand that?

Anyway, the truth is that I care about self-determination, but I also care about the people here. I wouldn't have a problem with the name and maybe with the pseudo-history, if it wasn't for territorial claims.

Nice to hear that. But what kind of territorial claims? We dont want anything from you, we are not claiming anything. thats the thing, we just want to live in peace, tobe left alone after so many years of hard lives, we want to live quiet. We just want to be what we are, speak what we speak, and be called what we are called. We dont claim the Macedonian land which was taken by Greece in 1912 back. I dont get it, Greeks are so afraid about that we might have territorial claims or something. We dont! Greek politicians are pumping that in the heads of the common people to win votes in their absurd campaigns.

MAcedonia was one, greece took a part, so did Albania, so did Bulgaria, so did Serbia. So, yeah we lost it, but now what? We dont have any aspirations to want it back, we just want to live and be what we are. And now some greeks are telling us that we cant be named by our name? come on...thats what we have a problem with, thats crazy

[Bukefal]

You are Macedonians (modern ones). That was your choice. You could have chosen to be Bulgarians or Serbians or whatever else. I respect your decision to self-identify as Macedonians.
But there was never a Macedonian country (until 1992?) in order to be divided. You are Slavic-speakers (Alexander spoke a completely different language). Don't try to convince the rest of the world that you are the grandchildren of Alexander the Great. That's hilarious. I admit that Greece is overreacting in this name issue though.

There was no country macedonia before 1912, it was occupied, so was greece, by the turks, but there was a region, which had Macedonian people living on the land called Macedonia, so when nations in europe emerged, it was completely normal for us macedonians to be a country where macedonians have lived for ages, thats how nations were formed in europe right? So that was MAcedonia and it has been like that for ages. After the ottomans it was meant for MAcedonia to be one country, that didnt happen, macedonians were stabbed in the back and isntead, Bulgaria, Serbian kingdom and Greeks signed a treaty to divide Macedonia in 3 parts, every part fell in other hands, but that meant all the macedonians that were living in those parts, were suddenly all part of a new country. They were opressed and were forced to be part of the new country, new citizens. Especially Greeks took it very far with that. All Macedonians were renamed, and tortured and the exodus started.

Alexander Spoke Macedonian, unfortunatelly, that language is not preserved today, some think the third language on the rosetta stone is macedonian, some think koine is in fact macedonian. Thats not known. But he did spoke Macedonian, different than hellenic, he was MAcedonian, different than Hellenes. Do you remember Demosthenes? You should study him. The hellenes did not see Macedonians as hellenes, they did not see them as equals, MAcedonians were barbarians in their eyes, they were different nation, macedonians conquered hellenes.

Of course Alexander spread hellene culture and hellene language back then, since hellene language back then was the lingua Franca, back then it was the same as english is now in the western world. Also hellene culture can be compared to western culture now, the dominant culture. That doesnt mean he was an hellene, he wasnt.

As for Macedonians being descendants of Alexander, thats delicate situation since no nation in balkans is 100 homogenic, thats impossible, but, Macedonians have always been here, many characteristics, culturally, historically have all been preserved, there is indeed people in todays macedonia who have links with ancient macedonians, you can find them in southern republic of Macedonia and also in AegeanMAcedonia, today north of Greece. Whereas for the modern Greeks, they have no links to the ancient macedonians, they even dont have hardly any links to ancient hellenes. Since today greeks are a created ethnicity, made up of mostly Arvanites, Macedonians and Turks.

[Bukefal]

I cant write anymore, its useless. I also dont want this forum to get ruined by this. Lets stick to the beautifull game of basketball. We all have different opinions, you cant make me think like you and i cant make you think like me. we should just leave it. I just want to be named what i am called. a Macedonian from Macedonia, is that so hard? It doesnt matter what alexander was, who is what, blonde black, older, newer or anything, time will reveal that itself, i just want to live now and be what i am. So that's my and my fellow macedonians question for you, we ask. Respect the fact that this is my name and please dont FYROM me, call me by my name, say Macedonia.

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And lets toast on that we finally met eachother in a game, it was good, without problems (except for the fact that Greek TV was a bith childish and wiped the abbrevation :) ) and it can also be different. I saw one television that In the capital of Macedonia, Skopje, Greek people from the embassy and others, and Macedonian people were watching the game together in a cafe, while eating meze and drinking Ouzo/Mastika and laughing all night!!

gia mas i say :toast:

[Indazone]

Opa!!!!

[Solid D]

What kind of education system and history courses would Greeks have to have to not know anything about Macedonian and Greek history?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

How do you know?

Sure it was -- it's just that Greeks like to commemorate their being conquered by more virile peoples.

You are a god damn moron. The modern day Macedonians are not the same people from ancient Macedonia dumb ass.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

When we used this flag, Greeks did not even know what flag that was. You cant deny that before the Seventies, Greece did not know anything about Macedonia, nor alexander, nor the sun. It happened afterward, when they thought they could make profit of our history, in tourism, make money and image, when they started to promote the macedonia is greek idea. When they started all of a sudden to rename schools and airports and banks into MAcedonian bank, school, airport makedonia. This all was strenghtened when it came clear that yugoslavia would break up and macedonia would be independent soon, only then you started caring and claiming macedonia.

Did you know that before that Greece has officialy recognized Macedonia and the macedonians? Did you know that the Grandfather of Bakoyannis has done that?

Modern Greece is different. We know this. But "Macedonians" have zero claim to that flag and symbol. It is the same thing as America claiming they now have the right to claim all of history as theirs. US went into iraq so now they can claim they are the real Babylon and Mesopotamia. US culture is now 7,000 years old.

That is the same exact thing that "Macedonians" are doing by claiming that they are the Alexander culture. If you think otherwise then your schools has just as much propaganda as the Greek ones. Not saying Greek ones do not have it because they also do.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

True, i do not deny that. REpublic of Macedonia today, has only a small part which belonged to Ancient Macedonia, its only the south, south of Skopje, also people from the north i agree have nothing to do with ancient macedonia. Only the south.

The rest of our country was taken in 1912, when macedonia was divided and then, and only then, became Greek land for the first time.

If you know all of this, then why are you arguing about it?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

A moderator should delete most of this posts. And this 19th century nordicist/racist crap about blond Egyptians, blond Greeks, blond Romans should not be allowed.

Fuking racist scum.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What country are you talking about? Macedonia was a multicultural region of the Ottoman empire. Slavic-speakers, Greeks, Turks, Vlachs, Jews etc were all leaving together.

The same way Jews have a country. To them it is whatever you take you consider yours. They have same mentality as the Jews and Americans "whatever we take belong to us".

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

This is a never ending story, we can continue this for days and days. Its going on for thousands of years. Its useless. I respect everyone in this world, so long that one is a good person. And I like to be threated the same. Just wanted to be called by what we are, Macedonians.

I never have issue with you. You are nice guy. It is the Americans here that are racist. As you know they are RACIST against Greeks and make extremely racist comments here towards Hellas.

[Spursfan092120]

I never have issue with you. You are nice guy. It is the Americans here that are racist. As you know they are RACIST against Greeks and make extremely racist comments here towards Hellas.
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[Spursfan092120]

It is the Americans here that are racist. As you know they are RACIST against Greeks and make extremely racist comments here towards Hellas.


The same way Jews have a country. To them it is whatever you take you consider yours. They have same mentality as the Jews and Americans "whatever we take belong to us".

hypocritical bastard.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

:lol I thought it was Anadolu, Byzantium then (I know that was just a city, what did they call the whole empire)?

Oh, I agree it's a mess. The status of Macedonians as Greeks was apparently pretty nebulous in ancient times, but once Philip conquered most of them and his bisexual son temporarily spread Greek culture through a big chunk of the world with a Macedonian army, things got even more convoluted because everyone likes a winner.

WTF is wrong with you?

Are you this retarded? Ancient Greece was a group of city states. Like Sparta, like Athena, etc. They were like individual nations just in those places that are now called cities. Thebes, Athens and them were MYCENAEAN. They defeated the Minoans and they defeated Troy. Troy is in fucking MODERN TURKEY.

Greek city states were formed together to fight the Persians.

Places like Crete and Santorini and Rhodes were a empire the Minoans. You are a fucking DUMB ASS.

Alexander came and killed them and turned them into a empire and that empire was not just fucking "modern day Greece" it was a HUGE empire that was all over. Your American "education" is so amazingly pathetic that you don't even know what the fuck ancient Greece was.

And Alexander had BLOND HAIR and BLUE EYES you fucking idiot.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

There was no country macedonia before 1912, it was occupied, so was greece, by the turks, but there was a region, which had Macedonian people living on the land called Macedonia, so when nations in europe emerged, it was completely normal for us macedonians to be a country where macedonians have lived for ages, thats how nations were formed in europe right? So that was MAcedonia and it has been like that for ages. After the ottomans it was meant for MAcedonia to be one country, that didnt happen, macedonians were stabbed in the back and isntead, Bulgaria, Serbian kingdom and Greeks signed a treaty to divide Macedonia in 3 parts, every part fell in other hands, but that meant all the macedonians that were living in those parts, were suddenly all part of a new country. They were opressed and were forced to be part of the new country, new citizens. Especially Greeks took it very far with that. All Macedonians were renamed, and tortured and the exodus started.

Alexander Spoke Macedonian, unfortunatelly, that language is not preserved today, some think the third language on the rosetta stone is macedonian, some think koine is in fact macedonian. Thats not known. But he did spoke Macedonian, different than hellenic, he was MAcedonian, different than Hellenes. Do you remember Demosthenes? You should study him. The hellenes did not see Macedonians as hellenes, they did not see them as equals, MAcedonians were barbarians in their eyes, they were different nation, macedonians conquered hellenes.

Of course Alexander spread hellene culture and hellene language back then, since hellene language back then was the lingua Franca, back then it was the same as english is now in the western world. Also hellene culture can be compared to western culture now, the dominant culture. That doesnt mean he was an hellene, he wasnt.

As for Macedonians being descendants of Alexander, thats delicate situation since no nation in balkans is 100 homogenic, thats impossible, but, Macedonians have always been here, many characteristics, culturally, historically have all been preserved, there is indeed people in todays macedonia who have links with ancient macedonians, you can find them in southern republic of Macedonia and also in AegeanMAcedonia, today north of Greece. Whereas for the modern Greeks, they have no links to the ancient macedonians, they even dont have hardly any links to ancient hellenes. Since today greeks are a created ethnicity, made up of mostly Arvanites, Macedonians and Turks.

My question for you is why not take out all your hate and anger because of this towards the British? They are the ones responsible for all of this. They caused it all. Just like they caused the same mess in Israel that was also all their doing. They are the bastards behind the "Balkanization" and the Palestine-Israel mess.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What kind of education system and history courses would Greeks have to have to not know anything about Macedonian and Greek history?

Modern Greek history is written by the British bastards. The controllers of the shipping lines of the Aegean. It is the same bastards that write your American history. Which is written by the English that control the banks. Any "modern Greek" that does not know history is the same exact as all these fucking retarded brainwashed Americans here that have IQs of 80.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

hypocritical bastard.

Americans hate facts. To Americans facts are "lies" and lies are "facts".

[ChumpDumper]

You are a god damn moron. The modern day Macedonians are not the same people from ancient Macedonia dumb ass.That has nothing to do with what anyone was talking about.

[ChumpDumper]

WTF is wrong with you?

Are you this retarded? Ancient Greece was a group of city states. Like Sparta, like Athena, etc. They were like individual nations just in those places that are now called cities. Thebes, Athens and them were MYCENAEAN. They defeated the Minoans and they defeated Troy. Troy is in fucking MODERN TURKEY.Right. They call it Turkey because they kicked the Greeks out. You got a problem with their calling it Turkey?


Greek city states were formed together to fight the Persians.Very briefly, the rest of the time they were just fighting amongst themselves like a bunch of idiots.


Places like Crete and Santorini and Rhodes were a empire the Minoans. You are a fucking DUMB ASS.Your English really sucks here. Try again.


Alexander came and killed them and turned them into a empireAs i said, Philip did most of the conquest in Greece.
and that empire was not just fucking "modern day Greece" it was a HUGE empire that was all over.That's exactly what I said.
Your American "education" is so amazingly pathetic that you don't even know what the fuck ancient Greece was.I just told you. I was right.


And Alexander had BLOND HAIR and BLUE EYES you fucking idiot.When did I say he didn't? I just said he was into dudes.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Right. They call it Turkey because they kicked the Greeks out. You got a problem with their calling it Turkey?

Very briefly, the rest of the time they were just fighting amongst themselves like a bunch of idiots.

Your English really sucks here. Try again.

As i said, Philip did most of the conquest in Greece.That's exactly what I said.I just told you. I was right.

When did I say he didn't? I just said he was into dudes.

WTF does Alexander being queer have to do with this?

[ChumpDumper]

WTF does Alexander being queer have to do with this?It makes sense if you say you have Macedonian blood.

[Bukefal]

WTF is wrong with you?

Are you this retarded? Ancient Greece was a group of city states. Like Sparta, like Athena, etc. They were like individual nations just in those places that are now called cities. Thebes, Athens and them were MYCENAEAN.

Exactly, they were all hellenic city states, except for Macedonia. Macedonia was a kingdom and Macedonians were Barbarians in the eyes of the hellenes. The hellenes saw MAcedonians as not even people, they hated them, they saw them as different, with different beliefs, language. So another proof that Macedonians are different and not part of hellenes. You say it yourself.

[Bukefal]

My question for you is why not take out all your hate and anger because of this towards the British? They are the ones responsible for all of this. They caused it all. Just like they caused the same mess in Israel that was also all their doing. They are the bastards behind the "Balkanization" and the Palestine-Israel mess.

Exactly, you are again confirming something i said. The british and the Bavarian royal family took you where you are now. They made Greece, they gave you hellene consciousness, they told you, you have ancient ancestry, while they did know that you were a mix of Arvanites and Turks.

[Bukefal]

You are a god damn moron. The modern day Macedonians are not the same people from ancient Macedonia dumb ass.


Modern Greece is different. We know this. But "Macedonians" have zero claim to that flag and symbol. It is the same thing as America claiming they now have the right to claim all of history as theirs. US went into iraq so now they can claim they are the real Babylon and Mesopotamia. US culture is now 7,000 years old.

That is the same exact thing that "Macedonians" are doing by claiming that they are the Alexander culture. If you think otherwise then your schools has just as much propaganda as the Greek ones. Not saying Greek ones do not have it because they also do.

Modern Macedonians are different, of course, in a way. Same as every people on the Balkans, they are a big mix of many peoples. But, we do have people in our country especially in the south, who have ancient Macedonian ancestry, you can see that historically, culturally and it has also been proved scientifically, although im very sceptic about DNA researches, but stil they prove us right.

Macedonians have the most rights to use the flag and symbol, since we have been using that symbol for ages, it has always been a part of our nation and culture. From 2000 years ago until my great great grandfather, this has always been our symbol and still is now. It appears on our icons, in our songs, in wars, on our flags, in archeological findings everywhere for ages. We have more rights to that symbol than GReece ever had.

You yourself cannot deny that Greece only started to use that symbol in the 1980's. Before that, Greece did not even know what kind of symbol it was, while we used it already for ages. Please dont tell me this isnt true, because you know it! You think you have the exclusive rights to the symbol just because you found it in a archeological excavation in northern Greece. But isnt northern Greece part of MAcedonia? Wasnt that a piece of Macedonia?

Let me tell you, we also found such symbols on our soil, so at least wehave the same rights to the symbol than you are, if you look at it that way. But we have always used the symbol, for ages, not just since 20 years ago.

[polandprzem]

http://www.fibatv.com/page/fibaeuropeVideoDetail/0,,12805~1395799,00.html

[ata]

hey polandprzem, major props for win against Lithuania

[Bukefal]

http://www.fibatv.com/page/fibaeuropeVideoDetail/0,,12805~1395799,00.html

Did you went to see TP ? :toast

[polandprzem]

Did you went to see TP ? :toast

Well I didn't although he plays about 20minutes by car from my house ...


Thanks for th congrats. Today we need to eat Turkey !

[velik_m]

Macedonia leads 48-34 against Croatia at half.

[Bukefal]

The whole f*cking game we were way better and leading even with 17, and then in the last f*cking 5 minutes we blew it all. Unbelievable.

I did not expect us to play good or win in the first place, but how we played the whole game was great, until the last minutes, we were so close, damnit.

[Slo spurs fan]

The whole f*cking game we were way better and leading even with 17, and then in the last f*cking 5 minutes we blew it all. Unbelievable.

I did not expect us to play good or win in the first place, but how we played the whole game was great, until the last minutes, we were so close, damnit.

Did you qualified in the next stage?

[Bukefal]

Did you qualified in the next stage?

Yeah we did, that was sure even before this game. We play France on friday, after that Russia and Germany.

We were so close, this win would have been really nice, since we did not even expect them to be close or can win at all against croatia, then they blew it, it was just a matter of 5 minutes in the end. But it was a good game, we smashed them in the beginning, we made al threepointers in the beginning, suprisingly. Three players with 12 points, stefanov, massey and Sokolov, while R stefanov with 11. Antic and Massey each 10 rebounds, we played good, but in the end :depressed

[Slo spurs fan]

Yeah we did, that was sure even before this game. We play France on friday, after that Russia and Germany.

We were so close, this win would have been really nice, since we did not even expect them to be close or can win at all against croatia, then they blew it, it was just a matter of 5 minutes in the end. :depressed

Belive me I KNOW how you feel right now. LOL

[Slo spurs fan]

It could be worse. We blow 12 points in last 2:40.

[Bukefal]

Belive me I KNOW how you feel right now. LOL

Lol yeah, really bad. :depressed But well, at least were thru, only even to play against france is for me already a very good thing, i dont think about winning :lol

[KWSN-Men]

Modern Greek history is written by the British bastards. The controllers of the shipping lines of the Aegean. It is the same bastards that write your American history. Which is written by the English that control the banks. Any "modern Greek" that does not know history is the same exact as all these fucking retarded brainwashed Americans here that have IQs of 80.
Excuse me while I kiss the sky with my IQ of 197.

[quentin_compson]

Germany actually made it to the Qualifying Round despite a very poor performance against Latvia. :downspin:

I also watched Russia - France yesterday, and it was the first decent game I've seen in this tournament.

[Texas_Ranger]

Good job by Turkey. Fuck Pau!!

[ata]

Germany actually made it to the Qualifying Round despite a very poor performance against Latvia. :downspin:

I also watched Russia - France yesterday, and it was the first decent game I've seen in this tournament.

Germany played very well against Greece yesterday. I like young Benzing, I've noticed him in preparation games against Slovenia. Kid has potential.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Why is not page 20 of this thread available?

[Pero]

Why is not page 20 of this thread available?

It is now. :lol

[VasP]

My prediction for the final four (in random order) :
Slovenia
Turkey
France
Greece or Spain

[Kamnik]

good job by turkey. Fuck pau!!

+1

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Slovenia and Lithuania game was a slaughter.

[Bukefal]

We played very well today and just beat Germany, 86-75. :)