View Full Version : Potential Devastating On Court Combos
ceperez
08-09-2009, 04:37 PM
Here's my list of potentially devastating on court combos for the 2009-2010 Spurs.
(1) DeJuan Blair setting a screen for Mason to hit a 3 or clearing the path for Manu.
(2) Parker penetrating with either or both RJ and Haislip on the wings.
(3) Duncan post up play with Blair on the weak side to pick up offensive rebounds.
(4) George Hill, Manu, RJ (Haislip ?), Duncan and Ratliff on a must stop defensive end game situation. Manu guarding the go-to player in isolation.
(5) Mason, Manu, Finley, RJ, Bonner on a 3pt to tie situation.
(6) Parker, Manu, RJ, McDyess, Duncan on a 2pt to tie situation.
(7) George Hill, Manu, Finley (Haislip ?), Blair, Mahinmi coming of the bench 2nd team.
(8) Small Ball - Parker, Mason, Manu, RJ, Dyess.
(9) Big Ball - Manu, RJ, Haislip, Duncan, Mahinmi
(10) Slow Grind it out defensive game - Hill, Manu, RJ, Duncan, Ratliff
(11) Fast score quickly game - Parker, Mason, Manu, RJ, Dyess
mookie2001
08-09-2009, 04:40 PM
i would bet the ranch haislip will not be anywhere near devastating this year
Small Ball - Parker, Mason, Manu, RJ, Dyess.
you mean lose on purpose ball
no thanks
mookie2001
08-09-2009, 04:41 PM
i am eager to see blair and hill give us a legit 2nd team though
ducks
08-09-2009, 04:46 PM
jefferson owning james
mookie2001
08-09-2009, 04:46 PM
i dont know much about haislip but it seems to be a spurstalk belief he can play SF?
give me a break, i'd be very interested to see that actually happen
ceperez
08-09-2009, 04:49 PM
i dont know much about haislip but it seems to be a spurstalk belief he can play SF?
give me a break, i'd be very interested to see that actually happen
If he doesn't play SF, then he isn't going to be on the court. Unless, he becomes Robert Horry and plays... uh... center?!
ceperez
08-09-2009, 05:10 PM
Like I said he is a wildcard who could be our 7th man or our 12th man.
Spurs will win it all if he's the 7th man, we'll loose if he's the 12th.
Look at our biggest realistic lineup:
(9) Big Ball - Manu (6'6") , RJ,(6'7") Haislip (6'10"), Duncan( 6'11"), Mahinmi (6'11")
match that up with the Lakers:
Bryant(6'7"), Artest(6'7"), Odom (6'10"), Gasol(7'0"), Bynum(7'0").
our best 5 is problematic:
Parker (6'2"), Manu(6'6"), RJ(6'7"), Duncan(6'11"), Dyess (6'9")
Undersized in 3 positions!
Cant_Be_Faded
08-09-2009, 05:12 PM
Duncan/Blair/Haislip
or
RJ/Manu/Hairston/Haislip
Spurs will win it all if he's the 7th man, we'll loose if he's the 12th.
Look at our biggest realistic lineup:
(9) Big Ball - Manu (6'6") , RJ,(6'7") Haislip (6'10"), Duncan( 6'11"), Mahinmi (6'11")
i think you're too high on Haislip.
match that up with the Lakers:
our best 5 is problematic:
Parker (6'2"), Manu(6'6"), RJ(6'7"), Duncan(6'11"), Dyess (6'9")
Undersized in 3 positions!
really ? don't think so.
Buddy Holly
08-09-2009, 05:25 PM
I believe Haislip will surprise and impress a lot of us this season. :toast
I believe Haislip will surprise and impress a lot of us this season. :toast
why ?
ceperez
08-09-2009, 05:41 PM
i think you're too high on Haislip.
No. I'm just saying that he could solve our height disadvantage.
really ? don't think so.
Parker can't guard anyone. McDyess is going to have problems against either Gasol or Bynum. RJ has a 3" disadvantage against Odom.
spursfaninla
08-09-2009, 06:03 PM
Parker can't guard any pg on the lakers? Unless they got a new player, I don't agree.
Sure, the Lakers have Odom as a mis-match if they run him at the sf, but then they can't play artest, either. And odom is always a mismatch for them.
Parker is our mismatch; they have no one who can guard him...ariza could, but he is gone.
VivaPopovich
08-09-2009, 06:17 PM
#3 is my favorite
our best 5 is problematic:
Parker (6'2"), Manu(6'6"), RJ(6'7"), Duncan(6'11"), Dyess (6'9")
Undersized in 3 positions!
that's not really undersized. parker and ginobili have good size for their respective positions, RJ is actually closer to 6'8" making him a slightly taller SF. and if you switch duncan and dice, making duncan the center and dice the PF, this team is right up to size. dice is actually closer to 6'10 too since sheed is listed at 6'11 even though he's only a quarter inch taller than dice.
benefactor
08-09-2009, 06:39 PM
Haislip is a shooting PF. Think Bonner with more hops and finishing ability.
silverblackfan
08-09-2009, 06:45 PM
This season can't get started soon enough! I want to see what kind of talent we have how fast they pick up the system. I think Tony, Manu, RJ, Dice and Duncan present a matchup problem for any team, except the Lakers. Then, its the Odem mismatch verses the Tony mismatch. Should be a hell of a fun season.
Sdayi135
08-09-2009, 07:52 PM
He is no where near Matt Bonner shooting ability, but he can shoot. I think Horry is realistic-ish. Haislip is not a great defender. I'll keep saying this, other than a super athlete we have no idea what we are getting in Haislip.
:huh Doesn't take much to surpass Bonner. I'd be shocked if he was good enough to become the 15th man, that's what he's worth these days.
SonOfAGun
08-09-2009, 07:56 PM
Just because the team has talent, does not mean Pop will play it.
I like how RJ is in every scenario except the "off the bench" one.
I pretty much agree with all those lineups, though obviously we won't see all of them given the variables in a game.
RJ, though, is still an underrated pickup IMO. Both underrated with Spurs fans, and underrated with the media. The dude is flat-out versatile, and he's really really good at a lot of things. But the fact that he meshes perfectly within the Spurs' system is going to be HUGE. You know, the whole "outcome is greater than the sum of its parts" thing.
... In regard to who will be the fan favorite though, who do you think? I vote either Blair or Haislip.
Flux451
08-09-2009, 09:57 PM
I can't wait for garbage time and back to backs!
Bring on the newbs!
Sean Cagney
08-09-2009, 10:43 PM
haislip is an interesting wild card.
Tolliver last year was too, how did that work out? Sounds like the same type of player to me.
Sean Cagney
08-09-2009, 10:49 PM
Matt Bonner is a top 10 shooter in the NBA. Out of 100 three pointers he can make about 90. Brent Barry, Roger Mason and Ray Allen are better off the top of my head, but Matt Bonner is probably the best shooter over 6'8" in the NBA.
How was he late in the year last year in threes or in the playoffs? Those who can hit them all year long and then late shrivel up, he is one of those guys like so many we had in 01 and 02 who helped us lead the league then fizzled out late (Porter, Ferry, Smith etc.). I could care less about PCT. Jackson shot 32% from three in 03 and then in the playoffs hit so many HUGE ones for us when it counted, thats what I want.
He is no where near Matt Bonner shooting ability, but he can shoot. I think Horry is realistic-ish. Haislip is not a great defender. I'll keep saying this, other than a super athlete we have no idea what we are getting in Haislip.
Well Bonners shooting ability was that of a retarded kid late in the year when it counted so I would say it won't be hard to suprass his FG% late in the year, anyone can. I remember a playoff game where he was 2-7 and we won against the Mavs and fans on another board were treating it like he had a huge game and helped out alot, he is treated like a retarded kid to make us feel better about him at times.
Bonner is utter garbage, anyone can do better.
Sean Cagney
08-09-2009, 10:50 PM
Tolliver could shoot but he couldn't do much else. Haislip, as I said before, attacks the basket, runs the floor, is crazy athletic and he can shoot a little.
I hope so, I never saw him play yet so I won't get too excited over an unproven guy who could not stick in the league yet (reasons why probably). Will he fit here? He could.
angelbelow
08-09-2009, 10:51 PM
There's probably more too :)
Here's my list of potentially devastating on court combos for the 2009-2010 Spurs.
(4) George Hill, Manu, RJ (Haislip ?), Duncan and Ratliff on a must stop defensive end game situation. Manu guarding the go-to player in isolation.
Since when was Manu a 1 on 1 defensive stopper?
He is one of our best outside defenders. I might say Hill is better. The jury is out on RJ.
He's never really been a great 1 on 1 defender though. He's scrappy and he can get his hands in passing lanes and get under opposing player's skin...But there are going to be players he just cant match up with. I really hope RJ can contest shots from the likes of Carmelo, Lebron, and Kobe, cause i know Manu is not going to be that guy.
ginobili is actually the spurs' best perimeter defender now that bowen is too old/gone. spurs obviously don't want to put him on the opposing team's best perimeter player because that would just add more physical stress to him. he obviously shouldn't be guarding strong small forwards but i think he can guard kobe fine if really needed.
angelbelow
08-10-2009, 03:17 AM
I think that Manu is above average when it comes to 1v1 defensive. By that I mean that he will do a good job on more than half the wing players in the league. He definitely struggles with top tier offensive wing players though.
Haislip is a shooting PF. Think Bonner with more hops and finishing ability.
that's one reason why i don't think Haislip will really help us (the main reason being simply the lack of talent). if he's brought to be a shooting 3' Big, then i see bonner as much better than him in this role.
Hope Haislip will surprise us though.
Since when was Manu a 1 on 1 defensive stopper?
as much as i appreciate Manu as a player and as versatile as he is, i think we have a problem if Manu is our 1 on 1 perimeter defensive specialist.
i rather think Pop would like to call RJ number when a crucial stop will be needed against the perimeter star of the other team (unless he's a PG or a small SG, then G Hill could be the man).
that's why i would like Bruce back.
Ed Helicopter Jones
08-10-2009, 03:08 PM
I hope so, I never saw him play yet so I won't get too excited over an unproven guy who could not stick in the league yet (reasons why probably). Will he fit here? He could.
The knock on Haslip is his defensive skill/determination. If buys in defensively, and can pickup the system, I think he'll stick. If not, he'll be gone soon enough. Offensively I think he'll be alright.
mountainballer
08-12-2009, 10:33 AM
Matt Bonner is a top 10 shooter in the NBA. Out of 100 three pointers he can make about 90. Brent Barry, Roger Mason and Ray Allen are better off the top of my head, but Matt Bonner is probably the best shooter over 6'8" in the NBA.
huh, ever heard the name Nowitzki?
In that video, if you watch, Blair is at the top of the key (offense) when that guy starts to drive. Literally as soon as he heads toward the hoop, Blair starts sprinting behind. It's like is was going up either way, no matter if it was to get a rebound, to slam the put-back, or to just watch the shot go in from eye level.
Dude really wants it. That's a good thing to see.
RuffnReadyOzStyle
08-13-2009, 08:11 AM
Parker can't guard anyone. McDyess is going to have problems against either Gasol or Bynum. RJ has a 3" disadvantage against Odom.
Um, no. Parker can be an excellent defender - with him it's all about attitude, and he usually turns up the D when it matters.
Dice is 6'9"3/4 and his fundamental smarts give him more of a hope against either Gasol or Bynum than most 7" athletes in this league have. He'll use position and succeed where others will fail with an extra 2".
RJ's 3"s don't matter much because he's quick enough to stay in front of Odom. Odom might post him up, but then help is close at hand.
Height does NOT the balla make - I'd say it's rarely the deciding factor in a matchup.
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