Spurstalk Fantasy Draft Rosters

[Brazil]

Thunder, Spurs, Warriors, Cavs and Hawks all did well under this premise (2K9/Semi-Real life).

I found the quote, actually I don't know what it means but reading well and being quoted with spurs hawks... sounds like a good thing for us :lol

[Chieflion]

I found the quote, actually I don't know what it means but reading well and being quoted with spurs hawks... sounds like a good thing for us :lol
I guess we have a top 5. I want to discuss with you something. I will send you a PM.

[mudyez]

clay...you have a really good trade proposal in you PM's!

[mudyez]

btw.: bosh has a 93 and arenas has a 90! so no: he isnt better...dont know iggys rating now, but Arenas (healthy) deserves to be better than him...actually I thought Iggy would go in the 4th round or later

[Brazil]

btw.: bosh has a 93 and arenas has a 90! so no: he isnt better...dont know iggys rating now, but Arenas (healthy) deserves to be better than him...actually I thought Iggy would go in the 4th round or later

Obviously I disagree but everybody has his opinion. Iggy is a 20 / 6 / 5 guy and he is 25 years old and he is good defender, for me he deserved to be picked in the secound rounders. The only way I can think of picking arenas over him is just for a simulation game and I don't care about simulation game. Never ever as a GM I take Arenas over Iggy.

[VivaPopovich]

I'm going to hit up the basketball court then come home for the remainder of our draft. Looking to switch gears and add defense.

See ya'll in a bit.

[mudyez]

Obviously I disagree but everybody has his opinion. Iggy is a 20 / 6 / 5 guy and he is 25 years old and he is good defender, for me he deserved to be picked in the secound rounders. The only way I can think of picking arenas over him is just for a simulation game and I don't care about simulation game. Never ever as a GM I take Arenas over Iggy.

nothing against Iggy, but stats dont tell the whole story...as he is on a fast paced team with not many other nice options...He is a nice 2nd option to have....in an 30 team league...which mkes him more likea 3rd or 4th rounder for me...if he fits well he might be a good 3rd rounder but there is now way I would tke him with my second pick. but sometimes we have to agree to disagree....actually I really like Iggy.

but would take arenas over him even with injuries.

[mudyez]

I'm going to hit up the basketball court then come home for the remainder of our draft. Looking to switch gears and add defense.

See ya'll in a bit.

sounds good...I had two training sessions today (as coach, but it was lot of fun today)...hopefully I will go to bet eralier than 8am today...not like the last session!

[mudyez]

offered Parker+Z for Arenas+Pick!

[yourtehclay]

can anyone stand in for the warriors today?

[mudyez]

clay, the mentioned proposal was for you!

[sa_kid20]

Rosters are updated.

[VivaPopovich]

Is my team the showtime Lakers or the Bad Boy Pistons? Good dilemma to have

Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, Lamar Odom, Emeka Okafor, John Salmons, Nate Robinson, Boris Diaw, Samuel Dalembert, Chris Andersen, Bruce Bowen, Dahntay Jones

[Pucho!!!]

was mario chalmers drafted twice? sorry I missed the last 4 picks of the draft. My phone died on me at work and I had no means to charge it. TBH, I was gonna pick chalmers cuz I wanted a solid defensive backup that can shoot and work well within a system. Hibbert is koo too cuz I was lookin to get a shotblocker anyway.

[Pucho!!!]

Brazil, I Hustle & Chieflion, I want to proposal a trade to yall: Anthony Morrow for James Harden

[urunobili]

thanks guys and special Phila... i wasn't able to make it on time :tu i love my roster :)

[Chieflion]

Brazil, I Hustle & Chieflion, I want to proposal a trade to yall: Anthony Morrow for James Harden
Sorry. Anthony Morrow can't cut it for Harden. It is a lateral move. Not that I don't like Morrow's shooting.

[holcs50]

Anyone looking for SF/SG? I wouldn't mind packaging one of my big guys (murphy/hawes) and Harrington for an upgrade at center

[Chieflion]

Is my team the showtime Lakers or the Bad Boy Pistons? Good dilemma to have

Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, Lamar Odom, Emeka Okafor, John Salmons, Nate Robinson, Boris Diaw, Samuel Dalembert, Chris Andersen, Bruce Bowen, Dahntay Jones
I don't think Okafor can run well, though Dalembert could. Who si your backup point guard? Nate Robinson?

[VivaPopovich]

I don't think Okafor can run well, though Dalembert could. Who si your backup point guard? Nate Robinson?

Yeah. I am not going to play him at the 2 although the offense would be better that way. Besides, he's coming off the bench at point not starting, which would make it a different story. I won't sacrifice defense for a better offense, Big Nate isn't going to be guarding any shooting guards under my watch.

What do you think I drafted Bowen and his protege Dahntay for? :lobt:

[Chieflion]

My squad looks weak.

[VivaPopovich]

My squad looks weak.

At least your honest about it. Make some trades! In this league you can get a lot for Iguodala/Gordon/Bosh

[Chieflion]

At least your honest about it. Make some trades! In this league you can get a lot for Iguodala/Gordon/Bosh
Its impossible. Any package I am willing to sacrifice would not net me anything better than Dirk.

[VivaPopovich]

Don't try to get a stud then. Just go after smaller upgrades.

And Iguodala/Eric Gordon/Chris Bosh is MUCH BETTER than just Dirk.

[hsxvvd]

Washington Wizards Season Preview.

The Gaurds:
Mo Williams, Kevin Martin, Tyreke Evans, Ronnie Brewer, Mike Conley.

The starting backcourt of Mo Williams and Kevin Martin has plenty of fire power. Both players can create their own shots and will have plenty of opportunities to slice up defences with LeBron drawing most of the attention. Ball handling could prove to be an issue. Tyreke Evans and Brewer form a nice defensive duo, both with good length and quickness. They might not have the edge on other backcourts today, but this is a fine group, who compliment each other well and have a good window of opportunity in for years to come.
Grade: B+

The Forwards:
LeBron James, Rashard Lewis, Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Kevin Love.

Definately the strength of the team lays up front. Whilst not your traditional SF/PF line-up, the combinations of LeBron, Lewis, Prince & Battier would create match-up nightmares at both ends of the court. Smart, savy defenders across the board, the passing lanes would never be safe, and your star wings would be fearing the nights they play the Wizards, with Battier, Prince, Brewer & Lebron taking turns to shut them down. They could definately be open to abuse from hefty frontlines like the Thunder, Rockets & Hawks, with only Kevin Love to offer any bulk. But on the opposite end, they'd surely return the favor. As many have said, it's not hard to win around LeBron, but the presence of shooters at virtually every other position makes shutting him down even the more harder.
Grade: A+

The Centers:
Greg Oden, Brendan Haywood.

Most definately the weakest point of the team, but one that certainly doesn't lack potential. Oden is not what we all expected yet, but he is already a servicable C, who provides the bulk and defensive presence in the middle this team needs to play the lanes and pressure opponents. Along with Love the rebounding is not as much a weakness as it might look on paper, but depth is certainly an issue with only Brendan Haywood providing any support off the bench. Oden would need to stay healthy and that might be a big ask. But, with the perimeter defence of the Evans, Brewer, Prince, Battier, Lewis & Lebron if Oden ever fullfils his potential as the stopper in the middle we all thought he would be, this could really be an elite defensive team.
Grade:B

[mudyez]

Anyone looking for SF/SG? I wouldn't mind packaging one of my big guys (murphy/hawes) and Harrington for an upgrade at center

how bout Jax for Z?

[mudyez]

I'm, going to be awy until monday...see you!

You can offer trades...Ill reply as soon as possible!

[holcs50]

how bout Jax for Z?

aiming more at nene or shaq :hat

[mudyez]

aiming more at nene or shaq :hat

no sorry, your the one in need for a big man!

btw.: yourtehclay? how about shaq and nene for chandler?

[yourtehclay]

I don't have chandler? do i?

[Chieflion]

A writeup specifically for the Cavs

The Point Guards

Nothing too fancy. Chauncey Billups is a steady all-star calibre point guard, rare in the current NBA where most young point guards rely on their athletic ability to survive. His vast experience in the playoffs in this decade in well-documented and is a vital piece to any NBA contender. Although he is old for my team's standards, we still have a solid young point guard backing him up.

His backup is the ever brilliant Ramon Sessions. Sessions, when given playing time, has played extremely well. Buried under Luke Ridnour by Scott Skiles last season, he only started 39 games. Those starts came under the trust of his new head coach Skiles, and of course he played like he was posessed. Although he was buried on the nech in October and December, in November, he had all double digit scoring performances except for one single game against the top defensive team, the Orlando Magic. Oh, and he is only 23 years old. Ramon Sessions has a slim chance of becoming a Jason Kidd like player (exeggerating, but you get my point).

The Shooting Guards

Nothing too sexy. Starting explosive athletic Eric Gordon whose max vertical is 40 inches, runs the floor and potential superstar like a specific Gilbert Arenas. We wanted productive star potential shooting guards with immense athletic ability and Eric Gordon fits the bill. Eric Gordon is a shooting guard first, point guard second. He shows some potential to be a point guard in the future as well. What Mike Dunleavy has done to Eric Gordon his an outrage for the first 3 months of the season wasting his potential, letting him rot on the bench and playing retards like Ricky Davis who should never be on the basketball court again.

His backup is a former sixth man of the year. Let us go with what is useful and extremely productive. Leandro Barbosa still has a lot of what it takes. Taking a reduced role on the Suns because of the Jason Richardson trade, he still managed to score 14 points in 24 minutes, also dishing out a couple of assists. With the athletic, sprinting Brazillian Blur, we would look to run run and run in our games.

Sadly, and unfortunately, the shooting guard spot is so deep that James Harden may not get any playing time. The next big thing has to sit on the bench and wait till a miracle happens.

The Small Forwards

Alley-oop! Chauncey Billups to Andre Iguodala, the fans erupt from their seats. He just threw down a windmill. The athletic, creative small forward, Iguodala looks to defend the opposing top perimeter threat. I don't care if you are Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Dywane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Brandon Roy. Bring it on. The second option can do it all. With Iguodala around, he will be our main perimeter threat and with spearhead Billups leading the crew, you would be seeing an alley-oop dunk every game. Andre Iguodala would get his and then some. Oh ya, he is also a clutch player and just 25 years old. Spurs fans know what Roger Mason did to the Lakers, this is what Iggy did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D6Awp6755g

His backup, is another solid defender who can slide in at the 2 spot for some time as well, Mickael Pietrus. On the deep Orlando Magic team, Pietrus was their main perimeter defender in 24 minutes a game. No need for him to score, although he could do that too. Like Iggy, Pietrus is also a hell of an athlete.

The Power Forwards

Fear my man. Chris Bosh. Plays decent defense when he tries. Looks like everyone seems to quit in Toronto nowadays. Some people don't even want to report there. He showed us his underrated defensive ability in the Olympics. In the season, he showed us he could hustle too. He is among the players who has 20-10 points-rebounds average this season. Well, actually, only him and Dwight Howard. Still 25 years old and room for improvement.

Paul Millsap is a hardnosed rebounder, with some scoring ability to boot if he gets the ball from all-star calibre point guards through the pick-and-roll. Look for this Cavs team to run more picks with Millsap around. Another one of those freakish double-double machines.

Michael Beasley is the same type of player as Bosh and is going to improve. Comparing talent, Beasley would have been the 2nd stringer forward if it wasn't because of Millsap's hard-nosed blue-collared style.

The Centers

Again, not quite flashy, nothing spectacular. We just need to rebound and play defense while passing the ball. Who else does this better all-around than Andrew Bogut, who can provide those things, but also low post scoring. Scoring 58% of his field goals, Bogut is extremely efficient and an effective player. Too bad everyone underestimates the guy. He is going to kick your ass. A young center who will develop with Bosh as he is also 25 years old.

His backup is Marreese Spieghts. I am telling you. I was supposed to be filling out my roster from the crew called the 76ers but organiser Phila was too much. He took Thaddeus Young and ran away. Otherwise, he would have been a Cavalier in our 16 team league. If I did not take Spieghts, he would have took him, so I was kind of annoyed by him. Hell, if Iguodala was not taken in the 2nd round, he would have stolen him from me too. Spieghts has potential and if given enough minutes he would produce as proven in November and December. Just check his game logs. He would not disappoint you. Part of the reason why Dalembert has been quite furious in his reduced role.

There you go, although they might suck on 2k9, they are a much better team in real life. This is the Cavaliers.

[Brazil]

Nice writeup Chieflion !!

[Chieflion]

Nice writeup Chieflion !!
Thanks a lot. I may not be a writer, but that was the longest post I made on Spurstalk.

[Brazil]

^I liked it maybe you should post more rosters analysis / game writeup.

Out of that I'm really happy with our team, nothing flashy but it is a very solid team that can win now and in the future which was the main criteria. In this criteria taking Iggy over Pierce for instance is logic.

[Chieflion]

^I liked it maybe you should post more rosters analysis / game writeup.

Out of that I'm really happy with our team, nothing flashy but it is a very solid team that can win now and in the future which was the main criteria. In this criteria taking Iggy over Pierce for instance is logic.
I can't watch games most of the time so I can't really do any game writeups.

By the way, all of you should write something up so that it would look cool or something.

[Pucho!!!]

If its ok with everyone, the spurs would like to waive anthony morrow and sign Rudy Fernandez

[sa_kid20]

I'm open to any trades not involving Yao and Amare if anyone is interested.

[Pucho!!!]

Yo sa kid20, the thunder drafted Wilson Chandler not Mario Chalmers. Mario Chalmers is on the Spurs which u got right. Anyway, thanx for posting all the rosters man.

Spurs roster

PG Jameer Nelson, Mario Chalmers
SG Manu Ginobili, Jamal Crawford, Rudy Fernandez
SF Paul Pierce, Trevor Ariza
PF Lamarcus Aldridge, Antonio Mcdyess
C Al Jefferson, Brad Miller, Roy Hibbert

I think that's a team that can go deep in the playoffs. Ill do a writeup later when I get to my comp.

[Brazil]

Spurs roster is definately solid. BTW guys so far what are your rankings ?

[sa_kid20]

Yo sa kid20, the thunder drafted Wilson Chandler not Mario Chalmers. Mario Chalmers is on the Spurs which u got right. Anyway, thanx for posting all the rosters man.

Spurs roster

PG Jameer Nelson, Mario Chalmers
SG Manu Ginobili, Jamal Crawford, Rudy Fernandez
SF Paul Pierce, Trevor Ariza
PF Lamarcus Aldridge, Antonio Mcdyess
C Al Jefferson, Brad Miller, Roy Hibbert

I think that's a team that can go deep in the playoffs. Ill do a writeup later when I get to my comp.

Thanks for catching that man. Oh and i guess i should switch Anthony Morrow to Rudy Fernandez or is that not official yet??

[Pucho!!!]

should I switch Anthony Morrow to Rudy Fernandez or is that not official yet??

U can go ahead and switch them, I got the OK from Phila to change Anthony Morrow to Rudy Fernandez, thanx sa kid again for all ur work. its greatly appreciated

[hsxvvd]

2010 Rankings (Hypothetical NBA Not 2k9):
1. OKC Thunder
2. Houston Rockets
3. Golden State Warriors
4. Washington Wizards
5. Indiana Pacers
6. San Antonio
7. Cleveland Cavs
8. Philadelphia 76's
9. Charlotte Bobcats
10. Sacramento Kings
11. LA Lakers
12. Chicago Bulls
13. Orlando Magic
14. LA Clippers
15. Atlanta Hawks

[Pucho!!!]

2010 Rankings (Hypothetical NBA Not 2k9):
1. OKC Thunder
2. Houston Rockets
3. Golden State Warriors
4. Washington Wizards
5. Indiana Pacers
6. San Antonio
7. Cleveland Cavs
8. Philadelphia 76's
9. Charlotte Bobcats
10. Sacramento Kings
11. LA Lakers
12. Chicago Bulls
13. Orlando Magic
14. LA Clippers
15. Atlanta Hawks

Is this ur opinion or did sum panel decide this?

[Chieflion]

Why did you rank the Rockets 2nd? If they are on the court together, no one on that team is effective enough to do anything at all.

Are these following centers available?

Marc Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Greg Oden
Tyson Chandler
Emeka Okafor
Al Horford


Players I could be willing to give up are the following:

James Harden
Marreese Spieghts
Michael Beasley
Paul Millsap

[VivaPopovich]

Why did you rank the Rockets 2nd? If they are on the court together, no one on that team is effective enough to do anything at all.

Are these following centers available?

Marc Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Greg Oden
Tyson Chandler
Emeka Okafor
Al Horford


Players I could be willing to give up are the following:

James Harden
Marreese Spieghts
Michael Beasley
Paul Millsap

Yes, Okafor is available. I'm interested in both Beasley and Millsap. You were interested in Diaw too right?

[hsxvvd]

Is this ur opinion or did sum panel decide this?

just my humble opinion :wakeup

[hsxvvd]

Why did you rank the Rockets 2nd? If they are on the court together, no one on that team is effective enough to do anything at all.

The just have a good mix of win now players. They have a great PG, great shooters, inside scoring, defenders and have clutch guys all over the court.

Besides... they drafted the Red Rocket :lol

[Chieflion]

Yes, Okafor is available. I'm interested in both Beasley and Millsap. You were interested in Diaw too right?
Not Diaw, just Okafor. Which one do you prefer?

[VivaPopovich]

I want to hear from Phila first with his plans with these teams

It'll really be a shame if we spent all this time drafting and talking and don't do much with these teams

[Chieflion]

I want to hear from Phila first with his plans with these teams

It'll really be a shame if we spent all this time drafting and talking and don't do much with these teams
I sent him a PM earlier, he told me that the simulation would be on next Sunday and we should finalize the teams by Tuesday central time.

[mudyez]

2010 Rankings (Hypothetical NBA Not 2k9):
1. OKC Thunder
2. Houston Rockets
3. Golden State Warriors
4. Washington Wizards
5. Indiana Pacers
6. San Antonio
7. Cleveland Cavs
8. Philadelphia 76's
9. Charlotte Bobcats
10. Sacramento Kings
11. LA Lakers
12. Chicago Bulls
13. Orlando Magic
14. LA Clippers
15. Atlanta Hawks

well...thanks!

[Chieflion]

Any other people who would like to trade their centers? Since I have received interest from Viva for Okafor, I want to see some better proposals.

[VivaPopovich]

Any other people who would like to trade their centers? Since I have received interest from Viva for Okafor, I want to see some better proposals.

I'm not interested in making a deal with you.

Is anyone else trading? I'm looking to add some offensive firepower particular post players off the bench. Anyone on my team is up for grabs, just PM me an offer.

[Chieflion]

I'm not interested in making a deal with you.

Is anyone else trading? I'm looking to add some offensive firepower particular post players off the bench. Anyone on my team is up for grabs, just PM me an offer.
So no interest in Millsap or Beasley?

[mudyez]

so until tomorrow to do trades and after that we have to post our rotations and so on?

I know, everyon likes D-Wade?

Give me proposals! I'm listening to everyone! Just want to overhaul the roster and I have no problem with loosing Wade.

[urunobili]

:lmao at the ones that placed my roster number 13 overall... we shall see once the ball starts bouncing up in the air :stirpot:

[Chieflion]

Sure looks like everyone is pumped up.

[mudyez]

:lmao at the ones that placed my roster number 13 overall... we shall see once the ball starts bouncing up in the air :stirpot:

agree, exactly what I thought too!...

...but I think, not coz of the same reason :rolleyes

[Chieflion]

agree, exactly what I thought too!...

...but I think, not coz of the same reason :rolleyes
What were you thinking?

[mudyez]

What were you thinking?

we are speaking about the Magic and he is offended, coz he is "only" 13th out of 15?

come on! this team is a nice eam to have in like 3 or 4 years, but right now, I think they belong at 15th (14th at best). no offense, I like that team, just think, that they should be happy with 13th.

(wouldn't be surprised if they would win it all, as you have to be lucky to make it all the way...its not like in real life, where you know, that only about 5 teams have a chance to o to the finals)

here is my ranking:
dont take it too sierous...just want to give you something to talk about...I took my team out, just to avoid controversy...but I think, I belong in the upper half. remember its win now!


1. San Antonio
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Washington Wizards
4. Golden State Warriors
5. LA Lakers
6. Charlotte Bobcats
7. Atlanta Hawks
8. Philadelphia 76's
9. LA Clippers
10. Houston Rockets
11. Cleveland Cavs
12. Sacramento Kings
13. Chicago Bulls
14. Orlando Magic

its pretty close...you basically could insert a +/-2 positions on any team!

[urunobili]

we are speaking about the Magic and he is offended, coz he is "only" 13th out of 15?

come on! this team is a nice eam to have in like 3 or 4 years, but right now, I think they belong at 15th (14th at best). no offense, I like that team, just think, that they should be happy with 13th.

(wouldn't be surprised if they would win it all, as you have to be lucky to make it all the way...its not like in real life, where you know, that only about 5 teams have a chance to o to the finals)

here is my ranking:
dont take it too sierous...just want to give you something to talk about...I took my team out, just to avoid controversy...but I think, I belong in the upper half. remember its win now!


1. San Antonio
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Washington Wizards
4. Golden State Warriors
5. LA Lakers
6. Charlotte Bobcats
7. Atlanta Hawks
8. Philadelphia 76's
9. LA Clippers
10. Houston Rockets
11. Cleveland Cavs
12. Sacramento Kings
13. Chicago Bulls
14. Orlando Magic

its pretty close...you basically could insert a +/-2 positions on any team!

:lmao

Do you want a signature bet that i'll finish top 5?

:lmao

[VivaPopovich]

we are speaking about the Magic and he is offended, coz he is "only" 13th out of 15?

come on! this team is a nice eam to have in like 3 or 4 years, but right now, I think they belong at 15th (14th at best). no offense, I like that team, just think, that they should be happy with 13th.

(wouldn't be surprised if they would win it all, as you have to be lucky to make it all the way...its not like in real life, where you know, that only about 5 teams have a chance to o to the finals)

here is my ranking:
dont take it too sierous...just want to give you something to talk about...I took my team out, just to avoid controversy...but I think, I belong in the upper half. remember its win now!


1. San Antonio
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Washington Wizards
4. Golden State Warriors
5. LA Lakers
6. Charlotte Bobcats
7. Atlanta Hawks
8. Philadelphia 76's
9. LA Clippers
10. Houston Rockets
11. Cleveland Cavs
12. Sacramento Kings
13. Chicago Bulls
14. Orlando Magic

its pretty close...you basically could insert a +/-2 positions on any team!

I agree with the top 2 there. I'm not sure that Washington should be number three.


So no interest in Millsap or Beasley?

I am interested in them, but I'm not going to give up Odom AND Salmons for one of them neither am I going to give you Kobe for Chris Bosh on the count of Bosh is younger. Kobe at 40 will be better than Bosh ever will be in his life. And that's not an insult to Bosh, it's a testament to Kobe.

We have a very short trade deadline considering that the simulations are going to take place on Sunday. I want to reshape my team for sim-mode, I think adding defensive and shot-blocking actually hurt it in that sense.

But by judgement, do you have any idea how fun a team would be to watch with Dalembert and Birdman blocking shots, prompting Nash to run the break? :lobt:

[mudyez]

:lmao

Do you want a signature bet that i'll finish top 5?

:lmao

ok, why not...after all its a gaming simulation...but plz take a look at the other rosters and compare the teams!

[mudyez]

I agree with the top 2 there. I'm not sure that Washington should be number three.



yeah, had them switchingplaces a lot...wasnt sure if #3 or as low as #8...hard to judge, but LeBron was the star with the weakes supporting cast...imagine him with all those weapons! just fell in love with him

[urunobili]

ok, why not...after all its a gaming simulation...but plz take a look at the other rosters and compare the teams!

i thought this was a stats on real life kinda contest... i want no part in a machine deciding the outcome of my roster... in real life stats i'd kick y'all asses... easily...

[DPG21920]

i thought this was a stats on real life kinda contest... i want no part in a machine deciding the outcome of my roster... in real life stats i'd kick y'all asses... easily...

No. In real life your team would not kick these teams asses. Sorry.

[mudyez]

i thought this was a stats on real life kinda contest... i want no part in a machine deciding the outcome of my roster... in real life stats i'd kick y'all asses... easily...

lets have a little game:
you start making a case for one of the other teams, why you would beat them!
then I'll respond with one team, I think, it would beat you!

who runs out of teams, is the looser! if its you, I have to name another team, coz you started!

other posters judge if its a fair statement of us!

(as I said: I like your team...its just, that its sooooo win future!...dont forget, that its a 15 game league, so you cant compare them to real life NBA, unless you scratch half of your team!)

[urunobili]

KD will be beastin the league this year...

[mudyez]

KD will be beastin the league this year...

agree...hes basically my fav non spur!

but last time I checked, basketball was played 5on5! sorry, if I missed any rule changes mr. stern!

[DPG21920]

KD will be beastin the league this year...

Yes, but not more than CP3, Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Howard....

[Pucho!!!]

i thought this was a stats on real life kinda contest... i want no part in a machine deciding the outcome of my roster... in real life stats i'd kick y'all asses... easily...

I think everyone would have drafted alito differently if we were doin a stat-based Fantasy league draft. Besides, not once did anyone mention how points were being distributed or anything that would say this would be a stat-based draft, so y u would draft thinking that way I dunno.

[urunobili]

agree...hes basically my fav non spur!

but last time I checked, basketball was played 5on5! sorry, if I missed any rule changes mr. stern!

Last time i checked both Rondo and Brooks were putting better numbers than everybody not named Chris Punk 3...

:wakeup

PG: Rajon Rondo, Aaron Brooks

With Rajon being a near triple double threat every game and Brooks filling the stat sheet with points i'll likely have the best PG production of ALL rosters

SG: O.J. Mayo, Randy Foye, Daequan Cook

Probably my weakest position OJ Mayo will bring it for sure points wise and im gambling on Foye to explode. Cook it's my defensive ace under the belt plus a gr8 3 point shooter (im not expecting much from him Phila chose him for me)


SF: Kevin Durant, Vladimir Radmanovic

KD will do the whole damage and if Vlad gets playing time one more year under Larry Brown's system he should be able to contribute nicely.

PF: Charlie Villenueva, Luis Scola, Brandon Bass

if CV explodes as i think he will and Brandon gets mroe playing time i have a strong PF rotation right here since Scola is a consistent 8 and 8 on a nightly basis.

C: Andrew Bynum, Marc Gasol

Well... Bynum better tear it up and Gasol with plenty of playing time will do nicely for my players boxscores...

now tell me which roster will produce better fantasy stats than this one piece by piece?

[mudyez]

I think everyone would have drafted alito differently if we were doin a stat-based Fantasy league draft. Besides, not once did anyone mention how points were being distributed or anything that would say this would be a stat-based draft, so y u would draft thinking that way I dunno.

even if statbased, he would have a pretty average team...not sure if he would be top10 or if so, than mainly coz a guy like yao is out and so on!

lets say, we are doing it that way:

the team with the player, which scores the most points wins!

that way he should have a 1/5 chance to win it (kobe, lebron, melo, wade)

good, that we had 180 picks going down!

[Pucho!!!]

1. San Antonio
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Washington Wizards
4. Golden State Warriors
5. LA Lakers
6. Charlotte Bobcats
7. Atlanta Hawks
8. Philadelphia 76's
9. LA Clippers
10. Houston Rockets
11. Cleveland Cavs
12. Sacramento Kings
13. Chicago Bulls
14. Orlando Magic

its pretty close...you basically could insert a +/-2 positions on any team!

Thanx man. Yea its pretty hard to peg the Wiz cuz they got Lebron, but no one besides him cares to play any D tho, so I dunno how far they will get...We shall soon c.

[mudyez]

Last time i checked both Rondo and Brooks were putting better numbers than everybody not named Chris Punk 3...

:wakeup

PG: Rajon Rondo, Aaron Brooks

With Rajon being a near triple double threat every game and Brooks filling the stat sheet with points i'll likely have the best PG production of ALL rosters

SG: O.J. Mayo, Randy Foye, Daequan Cook

Probably my weakest position OJ Mayo will bring it for sure points wise and im gambling on Foye to explode. Cook it's my defensive ace under the belt plus a gr8 3 point shooter (im not expecting much from him Phila chose him for me)


SF: Kevin Durant, Vladimir Radmanovic

KD will do the whole damage and if Vlad gets playing time one more year under Larry Brown's system he should be able to contribute nicely.

PF: Charlie Villenueva, Luis Scola, Brandon Bass

if CV explodes as i think he will and Brandon gets mroe playing time i have a strong PF rotation right here since Scola is a consistent 8 and 8 on a nightly basis.

C: Andrew Bynum, Marc Gasol

Well... Bynum better tear it up and Gasol with plenty of playing time will do nicely for my players boxscores...

now tell me which roster will produce better fantasy stats than this one piece by piece?

so you have 12 players that can really have great stats an average teams (bos isnt average but was without KG for long runs, LA isnt either but bynum wasnt that great)...if you sum up their points it may be about 240 per game! wow, how could anyone of us beat that? of well, I know: We just implement a rule, that allowes only one instead if 5 balls in the game!

or no: I'll take two balls: one for Wade, one for Parker!

[mudyez]

Thanx man. Yea its pretty hard to peg the Wiz cuz they got Lebron, but no one besides him cares to play any D tho, so I dunno how far they will get...We shall soon c.

boxscores?

plz read what DPG21920 wrote!

[DPG21920]

Greg Oden
Tayshaun Prince
Shane Battier
Ronnie Brewer
Brendan Haywood

All of those guys play defense.

[Pucho!!!]

Greg Oden
Tayshaun Prince
Shane Battier
Ronnie Brewer
Brendan Haywood

All of those guys play defense.

Yea, I was thinkin of the startin 5. Shoulda looked at the rest of the team b4 I said that haha.

[hsxvvd]

Greg Oden
Tayshaun Prince
Shane Battier
Ronnie Brewer
Brendan Haywood

All of those guys play defense.

+1

Add Oden, Lewis, Love & Evans

[mudyez]

as much as we all love defense...but scoring wont be easy for those guys against the other teams!

[holcs50]

YESssss!! 13th, my team is the shit!!! Actually, i could care less, ha. Will be interesting to see if the 2k9 gurus predictions are accurate, I have a feeling being its a videogame that predictions will probably far from what actually happens-i just hope i stay in the top 13!

[VivaPopovich]

After the sim I am more than down to do another playoff bracket with the series winners decided by vote after each other makes an individual case for their team. After that I'm also down to convert these to fantasy teams.

But of course I'm going to do massive trading in the times in between to get my team ready for each event.

[VivaPopovich]

Are you sure you can put 100 for all?

In 2K7 being too heavy on 1 meant sacrificing the other.

For example, crashing the boards too heavily meant sacrificing fast breaks. Close shots meant sacrificing 3s. etc

[hsxvvd]

Phila you do mine, I ain't got a clue with 2k9 and don't really care.

If I had to pick a coach for my bunch it'd be Coach K, but NBA...hmm. Maybe George Karl/Don Nelson. You do the math.

[Chieflion]

I agree with the top 2 there. I'm not sure that Washington should be number three.



I am interested in them, but I'm not going to give up Odom AND Salmons for one of them neither am I going to give you Kobe for Chris Bosh on the count of Bosh is younger. Kobe at 40 will be better than Bosh ever will be in his life. And that's not an insult to Bosh, it's a testament to Kobe.

We have a very short trade deadline considering that the simulations are going to take place on Sunday. I want to reshape my team for sim-mode, I think adding defensive and shot-blocking actually hurt it in that sense.

But by judgement, do you have any idea how fun a team would be to watch with Dalembert and Birdman blocking shots, prompting Nash to run the break? :lobt:
Just give me Okafor for Beasley or Millsap then. I got other ideas.

[mudyez]

wait...I gave you a proposal for okafor as well!

[mudyez]

Okay the trade deadline will be by the end of the week. I'll work on the rosters for now. Also PM me your coaching profiles for NBA2k9. These includede:

Close shots
mid range shots
3 point shots
defensive pressure
ofensive tempo
crash boards
fask break
Run plays

These go from scales of 0 to 100.

stupid question: where can I change these coaching profiles again (I simply cant find it, even though I know I did it before)

[Chieflion]

I will get to Phila about the coaching profiles later on.

[VivaPopovich]

Eagerly awaits the winner.

M-V-P! M-V-P! M-V-P!

[Chieflion]

Argh, Phila, what are the seedings?

[mudyez]

lol, I think everyone has lost interest already

btw.: I didnt get one...not one!...proposal for Wade! :)

[holcs50]

LOL-well drafting was kind of fun-but this is most likely a FAIL. ha. It could be fun to use them in the future for other reasons, but the whole 2k9 premise was always dumb imho, how can you have a fair draft when half the people (probably, or more) don't have or play the game... not knowing ratings on players' different skills in the game is like drafting blind, because we all know how videogames rate players skills is FAR from the reality of their actual skills-sometimes they get it right tho.

[mudyez]

LOL-well drafting was kind of fun-but this is most likely a FAIL. ha. It could be fun to use them in the future for other reasons, but the whole 2k9 premise was always dumb imho, how can you have a fair draft when half the people (probably, or more) don't have or play the game... not knowing ratings on players' different skills in the game is like drafting blind, because we all know how videogames rate players skills is FAR from the reality of their actual skills-sometimes they get it right tho.

I agree...but it made me play the game again :) (not with my drafted team, but in general)

really looking forward to the twist draft thing.

but for now, lets bring it to the end...at least for the 3 or 4 managers that are still interested.

btw.: can somebody explain the twist draft again?

[Chieflion]

I agree...but it made me play the game again :) (not with my drafted team, but in general)

really looking forward to the twist draft thing.

but for now, lets bring it to the end...at least for the 3 or 4 managers that are still interested.

btw.: can somebody explain the twist draft again?
Sure thing. If it is concerning a 12 man roster, first the teams draft their franchise player, so everyone has one. In this first round, you can select a player from any draft class who is still playing.

Next we go in snaking order, for example, we start with the 1998 draft class. The person drafting has to consider that winning is the only thing. In this round, you can choose players from the 1998 and older draft classes. Which means, you could select Rasheed Wallace from the 1995 draft class, but not someone like Darko Milicic who is drafted in 2003.

So, we do this until 2009. Trading future picks are allowed as it depends on your foresight and more research as you would have to find players for each draft class and plan your draft. For example, the 2003 draft class could be useless although there are superstars, they tend to become your franchise players.

Only winning matters as you could not have youth factored in since you are selecting in every year.

[mudyez]

Sure thing. If it is concerning a 12 man roster, first the teams draft their franchise player, so everyone has one. In this first round, you can select a player from any draft class who is still playing.

Next we go in snaking order, for example, we start with the 1998 draft class. The person drafting has to consider that winning is the only thing. In this round, you can choose players from the 1998 and older draft classes. Which means, you could select Rasheed Wallace from the 1995 draft class, but not someone like Darko Milicic who is drafted in 2003.

So, we do this until 2009. Trading future picks are allowed as it depends on your foresight and more research as you would have to find players for each draft class and plan your draft. For example, the 2003 draft class could be useless although there are superstars, they tend to become your franchise players.

Only winning matters as you could not have youth factored in since you are selecting in every year.

sounds cool for me...two quesions remain:

1) is there only one voting after all the rounds, or one per year? (I guess the former)

2) are the players as of right now, or peak? (I guess the former again)

[mudyez]

stupid me, we could even fill our teams after one year...so only qeustion 2 remains

but I have another question: what exactely is "snaking order"?

[Brazil]

LOL-well drafting was kind of fun-but this is most likely a FAIL. ha. It could be fun to use them in the future for other reasons, but the whole 2k9 premise was always dumb imho, how can you have a fair draft when half the people (probably, or more) don't have or play the game... not knowing ratings on players' different skills in the game is like drafting blind, because we all know how videogames rate players skills is FAR from the reality of their actual skills-sometimes they get it right tho.

I thought 2k9 was just a complement not the judge of our drafts but maybe I'm wrong

[holcs50]

whats this twist drafting thing all about-i mean i get that-but are you guys doing another draft? And how do you judge the teams? By winning? What do you mean-are you doing 2k9 to determine? I want in , ha

[mabrignani]

2010 Rankings (Hypothetical NBA Not 2k9):
1. OKC Thunder
2. Houston Rockets
3. Golden State Warriors
4. Washington Wizards
5. Indiana Pacers
6. San Antonio
7. Cleveland Cavs
8. Philadelphia 76's
9. Charlotte Bobcats
10. Sacramento Kings
11. LA Lakers
12. Chicago Bulls
13. Orlando Magic
14. LA Clippers
15. Atlanta Hawks

i agree with this. i see i got the much needed respect my team deserves

[Chieflion]

stupid me, we could even fill our teams after one year...so only qeustion 2 remains

but I have another question: what exactely is "snaking order"?
For example, you draft first in 1998, then you will draft last 1999.
Too scary to draft at peak as some players have not reached there yet, so it would be current state. Unless you want to do an all-time draft.

[VivaPopovich]

phila should just run the sim already so we can move on to another draft or begin playoff matchups by vote/judgement

[mudyez]

phila should just run the sim already so we can move on to another draft or begin playoff matchups by vote/judgement

agree, but its always a thing to to something like that, after saying he will wait until sunday

so I think, we might wait....but in the meantime we can look for participants for the twist draft

[Chieflion]

This is getting draggy. Start the sim already.

[hsxvvd]

I may have already said this, but count me in for the twist.

[VivaPopovich]

who's commishing the twist draft? and please lay out exactly how the teams will compete against each other.

a good way would be to have a playoff bracket, the owners gives 500 words why their team would beat the other, then every GM votes, and we do this until we have a champion. 500 words only please, i dont want to read a novel about some shitty ass team that would suck regardless of sim/fantasy/real life

[Chieflion]

who's commishing the twist draft? and please lay out exactly how the teams will compete against each other.

a good way would be to have a playoff bracket, the owners gives 500 words why their team would beat the other, then every GM votes, and we do this until we have a champion. 500 words only please, i dont want to read a novel about some shitty ass team that would suck regardless of sim/fantasy/real life
Its the Chieflion commissioner. Ya. I was thinking of the playoff bracket but we need judges. We can't have the GMs vote cause they would be biased. 500 words? A good start but we will need rebuttals.

[Chieflion]

I got Phila's reply on the simulation. It would be done and over with by this weekend.

[VivaPopovich]

Its the Chieflion commissioner. Ya. I was thinking of the playoff bracket but we need judges. We can't have the GMs vote cause they would be biased. 500 words? A good start but we will need rebuttals.

And judges won't be biased? That's even worse because a few judges deciding the game will get much more hostile reactions over winning by majority. If you thought the sim got a lot of critique wait until a royal family decides it. Obviously each GM will vote for themselves but that's only 1 vote out of 16 balanced out by their opponent voting for themselves. You want a system where 3 judges are going to tell 16 GMs that their wrong? You don't think the judges will judge favorably for their own teams? What makes that worse is that a few biased/dumb judges can corrupt the game and decide a championship far greater than a majority vote can. A system of majority vote makes corruption extremely difficult.

And why aren't GMs entitled to a vote? We're the ones spending time on our teams. 1 GM = 1 vote. It's really exciting tallying up the votes, waiting in anticipation

I'm not in favor for rebuttals out of time. Every GM thinks he's going to beat the other, infinite rebuttals won't change anyone's mind. Each GM gives 500 words once, submitted at the same time (so nobody can reply to each other's points) then we have a winner settled by majority.

I think it'll be the outcome the majority of the GMs will be satisfied with.

[mudyez]

And judges won't be biased? That's even worse because a few judges deciding the game will get much more hostile reactions over winning by majority. If you thought the sim got a lot of critique wait until a royal family decides it. Obviously each GM will vote for themselves but that's only 1 vote out of 16 balanced out by their opponent voting for themselves. You want a system where 3 judges are going to tell 16 GMs that their wrong? You don't think the judges will judge favorably for their own teams? What makes that worse is that a few biased/dumb judges can corrupt the game and decide a championship far greater than a majority vote can. A system of majority vote makes corruption extremely difficult.

And why aren't GMs entitled to a vote? We're the ones spending time on our teams. 1 GM = 1 vote. It's really exciting tallying up the votes, waiting in anticipation

I'm not in favor for rebuttals out of time. Every GM thinks he's going to beat the other, infinite rebuttals won't change anyone's mind. Each GM gives 500 words once, submitted at the same time (so nobody can reply to each other's points) then we have a winner settled by majority.

I think it'll be the outcome the majority of the GMs will be satisfied with.

the question would be, if we could get really good judges, with reputations that avoid any controversy.

problem with GM's voting is the following:
if someone steals a player right before you or gets to make a trade with a third team, which you wanted to trade with and so on. that could make you (not you, but GMs in general) biased to vote that team to the canvas.
another and maybe even better szenario could be, that you are voting against strong teams, in order to avoid them in the coming rounds.

...hey, its not like we where also rooting for the W's, coz we dont like to play Dallas!

if we can get 3 good judges we should do it with them...if not, I'm ok with GM's voting, but then I will be very quite in order not to offend anyone before the votings (u like that part, arent you?).

I like the 500 words idea, but would favour something like 5 short points...I dont like keyword-writeups either....so maybe 5 points+a max of 500words.

[VivaPopovich]

since i'm not ready to run a league myself i'll just roll with whatever ya'll decide

but let's make it so gm's tell the picks in the chat room with 1min time limit. that would still take over 3 hours

[hsxvvd]

since i'm not ready to run a league myself i'll just roll with whatever ya'll decide

but let's make it so gm's tell the picks in the chat room with 1min time limit. that would still take over 3 hours

I have problems running the chat @ work, but can post picks through the thread like the last draft. Would depend when the draft takes place.

[mudyez]

since i'm not ready to run a league myself i'll just roll with whatever ya'll decide

but let's make it so gm's tell the picks in the chat room with 1min time limit. that would still take over 3 hours

hm, I dont like the chat idea either, as it sometimes kicked me out for nor reason and wouldnt let me in again, coz it thought, I'm still in.

we could do it that way, but should be very smooth, if someone takes a little longer once....especially with this type of draft, its really hard to decide, even if you have a good list prepared.

how many rounds would you go with each session?

[mudyez]

btw.: coun me in! I'd love to have the spurs, but if not possible (I guess, there are a lot of people here, that would like to take them...after all its the spurs board), I'd like to take the Zombi Sonics again!

[Chieflion]

And judges won't be biased? That's even worse because a few judges deciding the game will get much more hostile reactions over winning by majority. If you thought the sim got a lot of critique wait until a royal family decides it. Obviously each GM will vote for themselves but that's only 1 vote out of 16 balanced out by their opponent voting for themselves. You want a system where 3 judges are going to tell 16 GMs that their wrong? You don't think the judges will judge favorably for their own teams? What makes that worse is that a few biased/dumb judges can corrupt the game and decide a championship far greater than a majority vote can. A system of majority vote makes corruption extremely difficult.

And why aren't GMs entitled to a vote? We're the ones spending time on our teams. 1 GM = 1 vote. It's really exciting tallying up the votes, waiting in anticipation

I'm not in favor for rebuttals out of time. Every GM thinks he's going to beat the other, infinite rebuttals won't change anyone's mind. Each GM gives 500 words once, submitted at the same time (so nobody can reply to each other's points) then we have a winner settled by majority.

I think it'll be the outcome the majority of the GMs will be satisfied with.
I think mudyez answered your question. Spurs fans wanted GSW to kick out the Mavericks in 2007. I, myself included. Like you said, we don't want to see two pathetic teams fighting each other especially in this game. Besides, the judges I choose would most likely not be part of any team to make it fair and square. Or we could make it a GM a current team game or something.

I agree with the excitement of tallying up votes but what if people who wants their teams to get favorable matchups skew with the results, then there would be no way to decide a real winner. In which case, even the nba 2k9 option is a fairer way to decide this (since it cannot be biased).

To be fair, the judges should not participate in the draft and just oversee each draft round. all in one weekend. How about it? Is this acceptable for everyone who wants to participate?

[VivaPopovich]

count me in. i'll take the pacers again.

[Chieflion]

I will make the thread to start the twist once this is over.

[VivaPopovich]

Got sim?

[VivaPopovich]

So you guys want to hear something that is a complete and total bitch? I spent a little over 2 hours yesterday making the rosters perfect. It got harder after the 5th team because I forgot where I moved other players. Anyhow I saved the roster and went to sleep. I wake up this morning to start the simulation and there is no roster at all. I saved it under the name "Spurstalk", loaded the save "spurstalk" and made the changes yesterday, yet I can not even find the roster file today. I'l try and make a couple rosters today, save them and see if there is a problem with my 360 or if I just made a mistake.

There were other GMs here that I know have the rosters saved and ran the sim a bunch of times.

[sa_kid20]

I'll run the sim if thats cool with everyone. I have all the rosters on my PS3.

[Chieflion]

This is blasphemy.

[VivaPopovich]

Only one person will be happy with the results of the sim. That's the way it is in real life.

If Phila can't run it why shouldn't SA run it? After we completed the final portion of the draft nobody was a clear cut favorite.

[sa_kid20]

ok i talked to Phila and i'm gonna run the Sims tomorrow at 3:00 p.m central time.

[Chieflion]

ok i talked to Phila and i'm gonna run the Sims tomorrow at 3:00 p.m central time.
Shit. Have to wait another day.

[sa_kid20]

I'm gonna post all the seedings and how it's gonna work in a little while.

[sa_kid20]

So this is how it's gonna work:

I'm gonna run 3 different Sims with the following seedings which i got using randomizer.org

East Seedings

Sim 1

1. Wizards
8. Cavs

4. Hawks
5. Bobcats

3. 76ers
6. Bulls

2. Pacers
7. Magic

Sim 2

1. Bulls
8. 76ers

4. Magic
5. Hawks

3. Cavs
6. Bobcats

2. Wizards
7. Pacers

Sim 3

1. Bobcats
8. Cavs

4. Bulls
5. Pacers

3. Magic
6. Wizards

2. Hawks
7. 76ers


West Seedings

*Now since there are only 7 teams in the West, 3 different teams were randomly given a 1st round bye in the 3 sims.*


Sim 1

1. Clippers
8. Warriors

4. Kings
5. Bye

3. Spurs
6. Rockets

2. Thunder
7. Lakers

Sim 2

1. Rockets
8. Lakers

4. Kings
5. Spurs

3. Warriors
6. Bye

2. Clippers
7. Thunder

Sim 3

1. Spurs
8. Bye

4. Rockets
5. Thunder

3. Lakers
6. Clippers

2. Warriors
7. Kings



Determining the winner

The winner will be chosen using this point system after the three Sims are complete:

1 point- advance to 2nd round
2 points- reach Conf. Finals
3 points- reach NBA Finals
5 points- Win Championship

The points wouldn't add up. You would just get that certain amount of points based on how your season comes to an end. Whoever has the highest point total at the end of the 3 Sims will be the winner.

I figured this would be fair since the team that wins the Championship in Sim 1 could easily lose in the first round of Sim 2 so this will show which team is more consistently making good Playoff runs.

So that's basically it. I'll do the 3 Sims tomorrow at 3:00 P.M. Central Time and will post the results in a separate thread. Good Luck!

[Chieflion]

Hell yeah, so I get two 8th seed, which means no HCA for the entire motherfucking playoffs and only one 3rd seed. God, I suck.

randomiser.org has made me an epic fail for this entire draft.

[VivaPopovich]

Hell yeah, so I get two 8th seed, which means no HCA for the entire motherfucking playoffs and only one 3rd seed. God, I suck.

randomiser.org has made me an epic fail for this entire draft.

Home court doesn't mean anything for 2k9 sim.

[Chieflion]

Home court doesn't mean anything for 2k9 sim.
Yes it does. It is proven. You try simming 2k9. The home team wins more games against the away team on the association. It is supposed to be this way. I may be a bit superstitious though.

[Pucho!!!]

Alright, finally gettn the sim on the way. Hope my team does well, good luck to everyone else : )

[Chieflion]

Best part, I am facing the Bobcats in both sims 2 and 3 in round 1.

[sa_kid20]

I just finished running the sims. I'm gonna post the results in a separate thread. Just give me a few minutes.

[sa_kid20]

Results are posted.

[VivaPopovich]

Here are the brackets from the 3 Sims


http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv337/sa_kid20/SIM1official-1.jpg



http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv337/sa_kid20/SIM2official-1.jpg



http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv337/sa_kid20/SIM3ofiicial-1.jpg



Point Totals


Bulls- 10 points
Lakers- 7 points
Spurs- 5 points
Warriors- 5 points
Wizards- 4 points
Rockets- 3 points
Bobcats- 3 points
Clippers- 3 points
Magic- 2 points
Kings- 2 points
76ers- 1 point
Cavs- 1 point
Pacers- 1 point
Hawks- 1 point
Thunder- 0 points





Congratulations to the Winner:

http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv337/sa_kid20/bulls.jpg

[holcs50]

OMG!!! dude i knew all my gunners would come to play. HA, i thought i was like a lock for last place according to a few. LMFAO after all that debate a guy that has never played 2k9 takes it, ha. Thanks phila for doing the draft and sa for running the sims-was fun doing the drafts and made the off-season on ST a little more fun.

Wish we had some prizes for the winner :rollin

[VivaPopovich]

isnt anyone else joining chieflion's league?

[mudyez]

isnt anyone else joining chieflion's league?

wow, that will be ugly teams...will have to put KG on the bench in order to start TD! and you will have to dcide if you play Kobe nd Wde next to each other or make one your 6th man!