Fox news morons!

[redskinfan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2mhpqCPpuE

[SonOfAGun]

Anal Procedure

Awesomeness



Damn 40 yr old dude having to stick with what works to his demographics :lmao

[SonOfAGun]

Stewart hit on President Obama's single payer stance hypocrisy as well right???

[clambake]

lol beck

[redskinfan]

lol beck

Just goes to show that Fox News may as well be Comedy Central, but at least Stewart is funny.

[Spurminator]

Stewart hit on President Obama's single payer stance hypocrisy as well right???

Actually, yes.

Enjoy.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-15-2009/drag-me-to-health

[Wild Cobra]

You guys are absolutely sick. What happened was not funny except to someone who likes seeing people in pain. From Hospitals Gone Bad (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/3502/):

Now, this is where it starts to go awry. Starts to go awry after the surgery. The anesthesiologist told me later, he said, I didn't want want to say anything but this is the worst case I've ever seen. He said, and I've never had anybody wake up on the table before. He said, as soon as I turned you off, as soon as I turned all the juice off because we were done, he said, you woke up and turned around and said, I'm in pain. He said, so I turned everything back on. It took three hours to stabilize me on pain.
He doesn't say what went wrong when he woke up during the surgery, he moved and got cut deep. Then the heavy pain killers they had him on gave him other serious problems.

How about watching this in context:

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[Viva Las Espuelas]

geez. where would stewart's career be if there was no beck.

[redskinfan]

The Spin-Zone at it's best!

[redskinfan]

lol Beck.:lmao

[Nbadan]

Funny shit...Beck is such a hypocrite...

[Wild Cobra]

Funny shit...Beck is such a hypocrite...
I see you didn't watch the 2nd YouTube video I posted. You're a moronic pundit Propaganda Dan.

[DarrinS]

I see you didn't watch the 2nd YouTube video I posted. You're a moronic pundit Propaganda Dan.


What he mentions in the 2nd video is really what most people are concerned about. If going to a doctor TODAY is anything remotely like going to the DMV or your local tax office, WTF do people think it will be like when the govt completely takes it over?

There are problems with health care, but why not address those problems rather than overhauling the entire system?

[Bartleby]

You guys are absolutely sick. What happened was not funny except to someone who likes seeing people in pain.

It's funny because he was such an attention whore about it:

"Nobody cared about me! I felt like a number! Boo-hoo-hoo. Poor me!"

(and it's even funnier now because you're getting all butt hurt about it, too).

[DarrinS]

It's funny because he was such an attention whore about it:

"Nobody cared about me! I felt like a number! Boo-hoo-hoo. Poor me!"

(and it's even funnier now because you're getting all butt hurt about it, too).


Everyone will feel less like a number when govt completely takes over and adds almost 50 million people to the health care buffet. It will also reduce cost and no one will see a tax increase. :rolleyes

[Bartleby]

Everyone will feel less like a number when govt completely takes over and adds almost 50 million people to the health care buffet. It will also reduce cost and no one will see a tax increase. :rolleyes

No, the govt. death panels will bring that number way down, so we can get back to the highly personalized care we have now.

[DarrinS]

No, the govt. death panels will bring that number way down, so we can get back to the highly personalized care we have now.


Why do you believe the govt can run it better?

[Wild Cobra]

No, the govt. death panels will bring that number way down, so we can get back to the highly personalized care we have now.
Well, we all know how government gets partisan.

What if we have a republican health Czar placing the decision makers across American hospitals, and they slant the treatment of who lives in dies by political affiliation? You liberals still on board with that possibility?

What if, like in France, only half the care is paid for by the government. Well the poor now get inadequate treatment?

[Yonivore]

No, the govt. death panels will bring that number way down, so we can get back to the highly personalized care we have now.
I guess you were saddened to hear that Palin won that debate and the "death panel" provisions are being struck from the bill.

But, without the savings that rationed care promised -- and, don't kid yourselves, that was the intent of the provision to begin with -- I wonder what the CBO will say about the cost of ObamaCare now.

[Bartleby]

Why do you believe the govt can run it better?

Where did I say that?

[Bartleby]

What if we have a republican health Czar placing the decision makers across American hospitals, and they slant the treatment of who lives in dies by political affiliation? You liberals still on board with that possibility?


Yes, that would be awesome. Then people would have extra motivation to stay out of the hospitals, which would drive costs down even further. It's a win/win situation.

[Bartleby]

I guess you were saddened to hear that Palin won that debate and the "death panel" provisions are being struck from the bill.

:depressed

[ChumpDumper]

lol death panel.

[Yonivore]

lol death panel.
It's in quotes for a reason, you moron.

Hey, Slate's Mickey Kaus (http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/08/12/will-you-won-t-you-be-on-my-death-panel.aspx) and the Washington Post's Charles Lane (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html), have argued that the end-of-life provision in the bill is problematic--acknowledging in effect (and, in Kaus's case, in so many words) that Palin had a point.

I posted an op-ed from another proponent of single-payer healthcare that called it Obama's "Euthanasia Mistake," or something like that.

It's been pulled from the bill because it could be misinterpreted or mis-implemented, according to the Republican member of the committee. I wonder what "mis-implemented" means.

When people on the left (consider the first three I quoted), and the committee writing the legislation, pulls a provision being highly criticized because it could be construed as instituting a government "death panel," (I know, I know, it had some magnificent Orwellian name that I forget), I think Governor Palin can rightly claim to have won this debate.

[Spurminator]

What if we have a republican health Czar placing the decision makers across American hospitals, and they slant the treatment of who lives in dies by political affiliation? You liberals still on board with that possibility?



:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

It's been pulled from the bill because it could be misinterpreted or mis-implemented, according to the Republican member of the committee. I wonder what "mis-implemented" means.It means "Boo! Get scared, hicks! I'm going to pretend to save you!"

[Yonivore]

It means "Boo! Get scared, hicks! I'm going to pretend to save you!"
You might want to wait until your medication wears off to post. You're incoherent.

[ChumpDumper]

No, that made perfect sense. It's easy to make political hay off the ignorance of people like you.

[Yonivore]

No, that made perfect sense. It's easy to make political hay off the ignorance of people like you.
You've got people on both sides of the political spectrum saying the bill had a provision that seemed to cause concern a panel would make health care decisions based on monetary consideration instead of what might be best for the patient and that's ignorance?

You've got a President saying it might be better to withhold curative therapies, in favor of palliative therapies, (i.e. "pain" pill vs. pacemaker), and that's ignorance?

You've got a close adviser to the president who believes babies aren't human until they're "socialized" and who was in favor of mass sterilization and euthanasia, as recent as the 1970's, and that's ignorance?

Sorry, you're the imbecile.

[ChumpDumper]

You've got people on both sides of the political spectrum saying the bill had a provision that seemed to cause concern a panel would make health care decisions based on monetary consideration instead of what might be best for the patient and that's ignorance?If you could convince anyone that is never done in a for profit health care industry you might have a point. You can't so you don't.
You've got a President saying it might be better to withhold curative therapies, in favor of palliative therapies, (i.e. "pain" pill vs. pacemaker), and that's ignorance?Lie. Nice try though. BOO!
You've got a close adviser to the president who believes babies aren't human until they're "socialized" and who was in favor of mass sterilization and euthanasia, as recent as the 1970's, and that's ignorance?Another lie. It was never advocated, but again -- BOO!
Sorry, you're imbecile.It's really difficult for you to put words together when they didn't come from some other blog, isn't it?

As always, your political "discussion" is simply the pasting of some other lies and distortions. You are a thief and a liar and a fraud.

[clambake]

the aarp will never work with this admin........oops. nevermind.

[Yonivore]

If you could convince anyone that is never done in a for profit health care industry you might have a point. You can't so you don't.
Curative care is more expensive than palliative care. In a free-market, for-profit, environment, I'd say they'd be more likely to push the curative therapies.


Lie. Nice try though. BOO!
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Another lie. It was never advocated, but again -- BOO!
Obama’s Science Czar Said a Born Baby ‘Will Ultimately Develop Into a Human Being’ (http://www.cnsnews.com/PUBLIC/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=51676)

Obama's Science Czar Wrote Book Advocating "Planetary Regime" Which Would Require Mass Sterilizations, Forced Abortions (http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2009/07/obamas-science-czar-wrote-book.html)


It's really difficult for you to put words together when they didn't come from some other blog, isn't it?
Corrected before you posted this. Of course, you've never fat-fingered or typed through a response too fast, have you?

Criticizing grammar and spelling, in a forum post, should be one of those irrefutable laws that points to the failure of the critics argument. Something along the lines of Godwin's Law.

[Yonivore]

the aarp will never work with this admin........oops. nevermind.
And, rank and file members are pissed.

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[clambake]

blue hair rebellion......i love it. people that get free health care are bitching about free health care. lol

[ChumpDumper]

Curative care is more expensive than palliative care. In a free-market, for-profit, environment, I'd say they'd be more likely to push the curative therapies.:lol Since it's more expensive, a profit-driven insurer might not want to pay for the more expensive option. Damn you are stupid.


U-dQfb8WQvoSeemed pretty clear to anyone who isn't an idiot Obama was talking about taking the guesswork out of proposed treatments and the ambiguity of doctor recommendations like the questioner's mother received. There was nothing about cost or worth of the recipient mentioned at all. You simply ran that through your troglodyte brain and came up with "Obama wants to kill your grandmother!"

BOO!



Obama’s Science Czar Said a Born Baby ‘Will Ultimately Develop Into a Human Being’ (http://www.cnsnews.com/PUBLIC/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=51676)

Obama's Science Czar Wrote Book Advocating "Planetary Regime" Which Would Require Mass Sterilizations, Forced Abortions (http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2009/07/obamas-science-czar-wrote-book.html)Not advocated. It was a textbook about what might be done by governments to control population if, as was feared by many back then, population ran out of control. Everyone knew this at his confirmation hearing. No one voted against him. You're just spreading lies after the fact, liar.


Corrected before you posted this. Of course, you've never fat-fingered or typed through a response too fast, have you?I'm not fat. Sorry to hear you are. Hope your insurer doesn't drop you -- or do you still work for the government?


Criticizing grammar and spelling, in a forum post, should be one of those irrefutable laws that points to the failure of the critics argument. Something along the lines of Godwin's Law.All your points have been refuted soundly. Watching you whine about your stupidity is icing on the cake.

[ChumpDumper]

Politifact takes a fat shit all over Yoni's lie that Obama's science czar advocated mass sterilizations and forced abortions. (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/29/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-science-czar-john-holdren-propos/)

[redskinfan]

lol Beck and Fox News....:lmao

[redskinfan]

this reminds me of a hipocritisiser from the past. sorry for bad spelling..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNeuW-VS0Dw

[clambake]

hipocritisiser

shit...i'm gonna use that. :tu

[DMX7]

I see you didn't watch the 2nd YouTube video I posted. You're a moronic pundit Propaganda Dan.

I watched it. How does this exonerate him from saying this is the best healthcare system in the world when he keeps saying there is a "problem" with it? I heard him say HMOs or the Government weren't the answer in his (mindless) opinion but this doesn't refute what he said about it being the best and then calling it broken.

[redskinfan]

I watched it. How does this exonerate him from saying this is the best healthcare system in the world when he keeps saying there is a "problem" with it? I heard him say HMOs or the Government weren't the answer in his (mindless) opinion but this doesn't refute what he said about it being the best and then calling it broken.

They (conservatives) wont respond, right now they are scouring for some kind of off the wall bs to start a new thread with. Look for new threads by Darrin, Yoni and Viva.........

[Re-Animator]

Yonivore and Wild Cobra are circling the drain.

[Yonivore]

I watched it. How does this exonerate him from saying this is the best healthcare system in the world when he keeps saying there is a "problem" with it? I heard him say HMOs or the Government weren't the answer in his (mindless) opinion but this doesn't refute what he said about it being the best and then calling it broken.
Well, I think the point made is this; the problems with our health care system can't be fixed by letting the government take control of it. It will only worsen the deficiencies he pointed out. That he was merely a number and that he didn't feel like he was a person or that the medical staff cared for him as an individual. That was his chief complaint.

I'm not sure but, it appears his injuries -- that worsened his condition -- were the result of an accident occurring when he awoke from anesthesia prematurely and unexpectedly moved. I don't know that to be the case but, that's what someone else said either in here or in one of the stories. In any case, his injury could occur in a top notch health care system.

Bottom line, socialized medicine will only make worse the things over which he criticized the current health care system.

[Yonivore]

Yonivore and Wild Cobra are circling the drain.
Buddy, I'm not even in the sink.

[Ghost Busters]

Buddy, I'm not even in the sink.

:lol

[Wild Cobra]

Yonivore and Wild Cobra are circling the drain.Not at all. If you aren't intelligent enough to understand the relevant points made in Beck's 2nd video I posted, you are simply a waste of time.

[DMX7]

Bottom line, socialized medicine will only make worse the things over which he criticized the current health care system.

Then don't use socialized medicine. The public option will give it to those who want it (socialized medicine) and the rest can keep their private insurance. It may even bring the price down on private HMOs when they get real competition.

[Nbadan]

Then don't use socialized medicine. The public option will give it to those who want it (socialized medicine) and the rest can keep their private insurance. It may even bring the price down on private HMOs when they get real competition.

Quit being rational....

..this..this public is designed to out-regulate the private businesses out of business.....you see... it's a conspiracy...in 10 years the govt. option will be the only option..

[Wild Cobra]

Then don't use socialized medicine. The public option will give it to those who want it (socialized medicine) and the rest can keep their private insurance. It may even bring the price down on private HMOs when they get real competition.Bullshit. If you read and understood HB 3200, you will see that the policies would make the grandfathered policies whither away. Eventually, only the government option would be available except for some real high premium polices only the elite can afford.

[Yonivore]

Then don't use socialized medicine. The public option will give it to those who want it (socialized medicine) and the rest can keep their private insurance. It may even bring the price down on private HMOs when they get real competition.
A public option will price the commercial insurance companies out of business. Plus, I think there's a provision of the bill that requires you to take the public option of you lose or discontinue your current insurance coverage.

The idea is to eventually force us all onto a single-payer plan. As Obama said in his speech to that union group, it may take 10 or 15 years but, eventually, we'll have a single-payer system; they just had to grab all three branches of government first.

[Wild Cobra]

Quit being rational....

..this..this public is designed to out-regulate the private businesses out of business.....you see... it's a conspiracy...in 10 years the govt. option will be the only option..
Wow... You for once spoke a true thing!

[Yonivore]

Bullshit. If you read and understood HB 3200, you will see that the policies would make the grandfathered policies whither away. Eventually, only the government option would be available except for some real high premium polices only the elite can afford.
And, you forget the Congressional Insurance Plan.

[Wild Cobra]

And, you forget the Congressional Insurance Plan.
Isn't that an expensive insurance plan for the elite? Payed for with "Other People's Money?"

I wish I could do anything I wanted and be supported by my own tax payers!