View Full Version : The GOP is against Socialism.....so goodbye medicare, goodbye social security.
antimvp
08-15-2009, 05:44 PM
:lol:toast
defend that shit hannity fuckers.
Yonivore
08-15-2009, 05:51 PM
:lol:toast
defend that shit hannity fuckers.
What's to defend? I'm libertarian and I favor doing away with both of those programs...along with about 600 or so other federal clusterfucks.
antimvp
08-15-2009, 05:55 PM
I am a libertarian too, but I love to see shit back fire on the GOP......cuz NEOCON's are shit.
jman3000
08-15-2009, 06:05 PM
The way Republicans are trying to rebrand themselves as Libertarians is pretty funny. Especially when they're using it just as a way to not call themselves Republicans.
"I'm a Libertarian... even though.. ya know... I don't believe in half the stuff a real Libertarian believes in."
Republicans calling themselves independent or "Libertarian" is so en vogue right now.
Nbadan
08-15-2009, 06:10 PM
seems appropriate...
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GOP will never touch medicare or social security because those old farts who vote republican in droves would stick their walking cane right up ass of any republican who tried to abolish either one of them.
Wild Cobra
08-15-2009, 06:27 PM
I am a libertarian too, but I love to see shit back fire on the GOP......cuz NEOCON's are shit.
And your a moore-on for calling them all neocons.
boutons_deux
08-15-2009, 06:58 PM
A huge and entertaining failure was dubya's total failure to privatize Social Security, which would have been nothing but a huge gift to the financial sector, as was his the HIS govt guranteeing student loans and interest by private banks, instead of the govt as usual lending directly to students at lower rates. Magic Negro intends to kill that subsidy to bankers.
Yonivore
08-15-2009, 07:19 PM
A huge and entertaining failure was dubya's total failure to privatize Social Security, which would have been nothing but a huge gift to the financial sector,
A financial sector in which most of us -- meaning us little people with 401Ks and pension funds and private retirement accounts -- are heavily invested.
Aggie Hoopsfan
08-16-2009, 01:09 AM
A huge and entertaining failure was dubya's total failure to privatize Social Security, which would have been nothing but a huge gift to the financial sector, as was his the HIS govt guranteeing student loans and interest by private banks, instead of the govt as usual lending directly to students at lower rates. Magic Negro intends to kill that subsidy to bankers.
Instead, you and me and everyone else on this board under the age of 40 will get nothing out of SS. So kiss all that money on your paycheck being deducted for SS goodbye.
High five, boutons!
Nbadan
08-16-2009, 01:15 AM
....if SS failed the dollar would lose all its value and 401Ks, pensions, et al would be worthless.
SnakeBoy
08-16-2009, 03:14 AM
I love the tactic Obama is using now.
If we don't reform healthcare then medicare will bankrupt this country. Crowd cheers.
5 minutes later...
You can trust the government to run a public option, just look how well medicare works. Crowd cheers.
boutons_deux
08-16-2009, 03:24 AM
So you people are pissed off by the wide-spread popular rejection of dubya giving SS funds to the banksters and other crooks in the financial sector?
Yonivore
08-16-2009, 08:00 AM
....if SS failed the dollar would lose all its value and 401Ks, pensions, et al would be worthless.
It's already failed, it just doesn't know it yet.
Besides, I wasn't talking about it failing, I was talking about intentionally shutting the Ponzi Scheme down.
boutons_deux
08-16-2009, 09:55 AM
"talking about intentionally shutting the Ponzi Scheme down."
Always full of useful ideas, like a budget with no numbers, you wrongies.
Wild Cobra
08-16-2009, 11:13 AM
....if SS failed the dollar would lose all its value and 401Ks, pensions, et al would be worthless.
How do you figure?
Wild Cobra
08-16-2009, 11:14 AM
I love the tactic Obama is using now.
If we don't reform healthcare then medicare will bankrupt this country. Crowd cheers.
5 minutes later...
You can trust the government to run a public option, just look how well medicare works. Crowd cheers.
What ever you do, don't look into Obama's eyes...
Yonivore
08-16-2009, 11:17 AM
How do you figure?
That's rhetorical, right? :lmao
How does he figure, indeed.
Wild Cobra
08-16-2009, 11:21 AM
That's rhetorical, right? :lmao
How does he figure, indeed.
Sorry, I'm very tired at the moment. I missed that sad fact. Got off work almost 2 hours ago, time to go to sleep.
DarrinS
08-16-2009, 12:43 PM
Medicare and social security are great models for our entire economy.
The way Republicans are trying to rebrand themselves as Libertarians is pretty funny. Especially when they're using it just as a way to not call themselves Republicans.
"I'm a Libertarian... even though.. ya know... I don't believe in half the stuff a real Libertarian believes in."
Republicans calling themselves independent or "Libertarian" is so en vogue right now.
Yea I'm actually seeing it on TV now too
braeden0613
08-16-2009, 03:40 PM
How does the board feel about my keep your $%^#-ing money and save it like a responsible person plan? Pipe dream I know.
angrydude
08-16-2009, 04:38 PM
The world is not black and white and there are degrees to everything. Just because you see good enough with only one eye doesn't mean its a good idea to poke the other one out.
hope4dopes
08-16-2009, 11:35 PM
I don't think either one of those enities anyone would call a success. I heard this lame argument offered up regularly and most people who brought it up were embarrased before it was out of there mouths.
This nation doesn't object to helping the unfortunate,or the poor.What it objected to was Obama's and the DNC's attempt to breed a nation of unfortunate and poor.
SonOfAGun
08-17-2009, 12:36 AM
pls pls pls let me opt out of social security
:lol:toast
defend that shit hannity fuckers.
That's the problem with entitlement programs; once they exist, they exist forever; they should have never been enacted in the first place; Medicare is SEVEN times more expensive than even the most pessimistic forecasts suggested it would be at the time; and THOSE were labeled extreme and fear mongering! Social Security was sold, primarily, as a means to help people who became diabled, and couldn't work; it WAS NOT sold as a retirement program.
If I had my druthers, Libertarian or not, neither of those programs would exist. Any program developed as a "safety net" would be written much more specifically, and be specifically limited.
pls pls pls let me opt out of social security
They agree with Ron Paul? No Republican had the balls to stand up against the Iraq war except Ron Paul. (ok, he's not a republican but he ran in their primary)
coyotes_geek
08-17-2009, 01:51 PM
:lol:toast
defend that shit hannity fuckers.
I'd love to say goodbye to SS & medicare.
GOP will never touch medicare or social security because those old farts who vote republican in droves would stick their walking cane right up ass of any republican who tried to abolish either one of them.
Both parties are scared shitless of the old farts. The democrats are just as big a group of cowards over SS & medicare as the republicans are.
A huge and entertaining failure was dubya's total failure to privatize Social Security, which would have been nothing but a huge gift to the financial sector, as was his the HIS govt guranteeing student loans and interest by private banks, instead of the govt as usual lending directly to students at lower rates. Magic Negro intends to kill that subsidy to bankers.
At least W had the balls to try and do something. What's Obama's idea on how to fix this $60 trillion dollar mess?
boutons_deux
08-17-2009, 01:53 PM
"W had the balls to try and do something"
right, give SS to the banksters, then the brilliant lights here would have let the banksters all go bankrupt. aka "the self-correcting, always-right, no-need-for-any-regulation free market"
Both parties are scared shitless of the old farts. The democrats are just as big a group of cowards over SS & medicare as the republicans are.
The Democrats aren't scared of them. They are the ones who helped institute it, Democrats want to keep medicare and social security because they think social programs that help the elderly are a good thing.
Besides, if you think Democrats are scared of old people then you haven't been watching the Health Care Debate. The average age of the nut jobs screaming on T.V. has got to be over 60.
At least W had the balls to try and do something. What's Obama's idea on how to fix this $60 trillion dollar mess?
This is not special ed class. You don't get credit for trying.
Besides, the bailout wasn't engineered by Bush is was Hank Paulson and it worked. If a bank like Citi went under, it would bankrupt the FDIC and the tax payers would be on the hook for billions of dollars anyway. Not to mention credit markets would freeze up and the economy would collapse.
coyotes_geek
08-17-2009, 02:00 PM
How does the board feel about my keep your $%^#-ing money and save it like a responsible person plan? Pipe dream I know.
I'm all for it. An acceptable compromise would be to dump the ponzi scheme setup we've got now and go with individual accounts. Just take an individuals withholdings, invest his money in treasury notes and put those notes in an individual account with his name on it.
coyotes_geek
08-17-2009, 02:06 PM
The Democrats aren't scared of them. They are the ones who helped institute it, Democrats want to keep medicare and social security because they think social programs that help the elderly are a good thing.
Besides, if you think Democrats are scared of old people then you haven't been watching the Health Care Debate. The average age of the nut jobs screaming on T.V. has got to be over 60.
Bullshit. When was the last time you heard a democrat say that SS & medicare are unsustainable in their current format and will require massive tax increased and/or massive benefit cuts to bring it back into balance? It's an undisputable fact that such cuts or tax increases have to happen, yet no one is talking about it.
This is not special ed class. You don't get credit for trying.
Besides, the bailout wasn't engineered by Bush is was Hank Paulson and it worked. If a bank like Citi went under, it would bankrupt the FDIC and the tax payers would be on the hook for billions of dollars anyway. Not to mention credit markets would freeze up and the economy would collapse.
I thought we were talking about SS & medicare. The bailouts are a drop in the bucket compared to the mess SS & medicare are in. Again I ask you, what is Obama's plan for bridging the $60 trillion dollar gap for SS&medicare?
SonOfAGun
08-17-2009, 02:30 PM
"W had the balls to try and do something"
right, give SS to the banksters, then the brilliant lights here would have let the banksters all go bankrupt. aka "the self-correcting, always-right, no-need-for-any-regulation free market"
lol touche.
And yet I will still be using the stock market & appreciating assets for my retirement funds...Social Security is not even a thought.
40 years of compound interest says find me a better use for my government printed "free market" fixed funny money....
DarrinS
08-17-2009, 02:33 PM
lol touche.
And yet I will still be using the stock market & appreciating assets for my retirement funds...Social Security is not even a thought.
40 years of compound interest says find me a better use for my government printed "free market" fixed funny money....
What are you talking about? Social Security is the best way to plan for your retirement. I've got all my eggs in that craptacular basket.
SonOfAGun
08-17-2009, 02:36 PM
To be completely truthful, I have created a pool for when Government will retract rothIRA tax exemptions.
I'm putting all my eggs in that basket :toast
June 28th, 2019. Who wants in?
coyotes_geek
08-17-2009, 02:38 PM
"W had the balls to try and do something"
right, give SS to the banksters, then the brilliant lights here would have let the banksters all go bankrupt. aka "the self-correcting, always-right, no-need-for-any-regulation free market"
W wanted to give SS to the individuals. Then if they wanted to use their SS money on the banks, that would be their choice. Would a lot of people have gotten burned? Sure. But that's no different than where we're heading now. People are still going to get burned when their SS taxes go way up, or their checks quit coming. Pick your poison I guess.
coyotes_geek
08-17-2009, 02:54 PM
To be completely truthful, I have created a pool for when Government will retract rothIRA tax exemptions.
I'm putting all my eggs in that basket :toast
June 28th, 2019. Who wants in?
Not sure whether I want the over or the under, but I agree with you that it's going to happen. My guess is they make roth distributions count against your income for the AMT.
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