So, exactly what has Obama...

[Yonivore]

...achieved? I mean, we hear this is the most successful administration in the history of the universe but, for the life of me, I can't figure out at what they've succeeded.

Poll: 57% don't see stimulus working (http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090817/1astimulus17_st.art.htm)


Skepticism presents hurdle for Obama

By Brad Heath
USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Six months after President Obama launched a $787 billion plan to right the nation's economy, a majority of Americans think the avalanche of new federal aid has cost too much and done too little to end the recession.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll found 57% of adults say the stimulus package is having no impact on the economy or making it worse. Even more — 60% — doubt that the stimulus plan will help the economy in the years ahead, and only 18% say it has done anything to help improve their personal situation.

That skepticism underscores the challenge Obama faces in trying to convince the public that the stimulus has helped turn the economy around. It also could complicate the administration's plans to overhaul the nation's health care system.

"This is a wake-up call for the administration." says House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va. "People see the stimulus hasn't worked, and now you want to lay on over $1 trillion in a health care plan."

The administration declined to comment on the poll results.

[boutons_deux]

"hear this is the most successful administration in the history of the universe"

First time I ever heard that. Typical slime job from Yoni.

Magic Negro inherited a humongously high, stinking pile of toxic shit from the Repugs.

And of course, from Yoni, it's all Magic Negro's fault.

So let's vote the disastrous Repugs back into office, and pile the shit higher.

[Yonivore]

"hear this is the most successful administration in the history of the universe"

First time I ever heard that. Typical slime job from Yoni.
It was an exaggeration of a common theme from this White House.

Official: Obama Accomplished More in 30 Days Than Any President in Modern History (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/official-obama.html)

There was similar crap said at 100 days and since...


Magic Negro inherited a humongously high, stinking pile of toxic shit from the Repugs.
Obama inherited a nearly 400 billion dollar deficit that could have been easily remedied by not spending the original bailout for which he voted and President Bush signed. Instead, he's turned it into a couple of Trillion...and, embarked on a socialist agenda that would make Lenin blush.

I don't see your point.


And of course, from Yoni, it's all Magic Negro's fault.
Well, let's review.

He voted for budget-busting bailouts during the Bush Administration and, he's signed into law the budget-obliterating stimulus; not to mention his stated desire to sign into law cap and tax and socialized medicine.

No, it's not just his fault. He has a complicit Congress and media.


So let's vote the disastrous Repugs back into office, and pile the shit higher.
I don't think Republicans could pile it as high and as fast as has Obama in just 7 months. Indeed, that may be his legacy. He's spent more money in less time than any President in history.

But, back to my original question; what has he truly accomplished?

[hope4dopes]

Well with any luck he has poisoned the well for the DNC, as much as bush poisoned the well for the RNC, and the possiblity of third or fouth parties may become an imaginable reality for americans.

[Yonivore]

Well with any luck he has poisoned the well for the DNC, as much as bush poisoned the well for the RNC, and the possiblity of third or fouth parties may become an imaginable reality for americans.
I think the RNC poisoned there own well but, I quibble.

I would be in favor of this climate opening the door for more than just two parties.

[clambake]

he prevented an economic apocalypse.

you wouldn't understand.

cleaning up is no easy business.

[Yonivore]

he prevented an economic apocalypse.

you wouldn't understand.

cleaning up is no easy business.
:lmao

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SolU1_WFlEI/AAAAAAAAdVA/xq8ViNW4xjI/s1600/obama%2Bdeficit.jpg

[clambake]

i know. it's hilarious how you couldn't possibly understand.

just do what your boss tells you to do and you'll likely be ok.

[Yonivore]

he prevented an economic apocalypse.

you wouldn't understand.

cleaning up is no easy business.
:lmao :lmao

http://steynian.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/stimulus-vs-unemployment-june-dots1.gif

[Yonivore]

he prevented an economic apocalypse.

you wouldn't understand.

cleaning up is no easy business.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

http://www.conservativecabbie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/us-spending.jpg

[clambake]

lol yoni counting on charts.

i said you wouldn't understand.

underachievers rarely do.

[Yonivore]

i know. it's hilarious how you couldn't possibly understand.

just do what your boss tells you to do and you'll likely be ok.
So, educate me. What exactly has he averted?

Remember, I was in favor of just letting the banks and insurance companies fold and was opposed to the original bailout. I damn sure don't believe that would have cost as much as has this bailout/stimulus scheme concocted by this and the previous administration and congress.

[Wild Cobra]

he prevented an economic apocalypse.

you wouldn't understand.

cleaning up is no easy business.

The democrats caused it!

[Wild Cobra]

So, educate me. What exactly has he averted?

Remember, I was in favor of just letting the banks and insurance companies fold and was opposed to the original bailout. I damn sure don't believe that would have cost as much as has this bailout/stimulus scheme concocted by this and the previous administration and congress.
Same here. I wonder how much of the bailout money added to the CEO bonuses. Afterall, by the way the contracts for them are written, it's seen as a cash gain for the business, hence bigger bonus!

Bankruptcy was a necessary first step.

[clambake]

Remember, I was in favor of just letting the banks and insurance companies fold and was opposed to the original bailout. I damn sure don't believe that would have cost as much as has this bailout/stimulus scheme concocted by this and the previous administration and congress.

i now what you claim to be "in favor of", yoni.

and it makes perfect sense......for your kind.

create something and get back to me.

[Yonivore]

Still not answering the question.

What has Obama done? What has he done that has "prevented an apocalypse" or "cleaned up" anything?

[clambake]

you wouldn't understand because you haven't created anything.

quick........don't steal any definitions.......what is the difference between a bank note and a factor?

[clambake]

how long does it take to steal a definition?

[Yonivore]

you wouldn't understand because you haven't created anything.

quick........don't steal any definitions.......what is the difference between a bank note and a factor?
What is it with you people? Can't you answer a simple question? You sound like Robert Gibbs answering a direct question.

What has Obama done? What has he done that has "prevented an apocalypse" or "cleaned up" anything?

[Yonivore]

how long does it take to steal a definition?
Sorry, I don't stay glued to my computer.

[clambake]

Sorry, I don't stay glued to my computer.

and you don't have an answer because you never created anything beyond a timecard.

[clambake]

by the way.....are you on the clock right now?

did you remember to punch in?

[Yonivore]

by the way.....are you on the clock right now?

did you remember to punch in?
Not on the clock today. Not all jobs are Monday through Friday or, even 8:00-5:00. You might know that if you had a job.

[clambake]

when you create something, you'll know the answer to the question.

[Yonivore]

when you create something, you'll know the answer to the question.
Which question?

What Obama has accomplished or the silly question you posed?

[clambake]

Which question?

What Obama has accomplished or the silly question you posed?

you don't have to feign ignorance. you're the real thing.

now.....run along and create something. it's the only way you'll understand.

[Yonivore]

you don't have to feign ignorance. you're the real thing.

now.....run along and create something. it's the only way you'll understand.
You can't even tell me what Obama has accomplished and you're calling me ignorant?

[Gino]

Obama's signature achievement has been the stimulus bill although most of the nation doesnt believe it is working. A year from now (when the economy is in much better shape) things might be different.

The Cash for Clunkers has been a moderate success.

We've also pulled out of all major cities in Iraq and substantially increased our numbers in Afganistan.

Does this mean that Obama has shown any kind of leadership? No. Do I believe all these things would have happened if Bush was still in office? Yes.

[rjv]

he has continued on with the same neoliberal economic policies that initiated with carter and took off under reagan. people who think that there are stark contrasts in the economic agendas of the presidents over the past 3 decades are stretching.

[Yonivore]

Obama's signature achievement has been the stimulus bill although most of the nation doesnt believe it is working. A year from now (when the economy is in much better shape) things might be different.
Well, we'll see next year then, if this qualifies as an achievement.


The Cash for Clunkers has been a moderate success.
Only a socialist would consider the Cash for Clunkers redistribution plan a success. They basically took $3 billion of our dollars and subsidized private purchase of cars.

Not everyone needs a new car. I could use some of that money for a new refrigerator though.


We've also pulled out of all major cities in Iraq and substantially increased our numbers in Afganistan.
With the same DefSec and under pretty much the same time frame as the previous administration.


Does this mean that Obama has shown any kind of leadership? No. Do I believe all these things would have happened if Bush was still in office? Yes.
I'm not sure about the $787 billion dollar stimulus or the Cash for Clunkers program. Unless of course, the congress overrode the veto.

And, I'm sorry, I didn't read your last statement until I'd written the other stuff.

[Yonivore]

Yoni without a doubt is 100% bullshitter. The idea that he's actually judging Obama objectively at 8 months is kind of hilarious. This thread could have been made last November.
Except that there weren't any "This is the most accomplished administration in modern history" bullshit to counter then.

Just providing perspective.

But, you're right, I could have predicted how this administration was going to fuck up. In fact, many of us tried to tell the people in this forum how idiotic he was going to be.

[Yonivore]

Since when has anyone said this is the most accomplished administration in modern history? Like I said 100% bullshit.

Obama Claim: Done More in 30 Days Than Other Presidents (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Business/story?id=6945577&page=1)


The Obama administration is going into tonight's pivotal speech to Congress with the belief that President Obama has accomplished more in the first 30 days in office than any modern president.
Since then.

[Gino]

Well, we'll see next year then, if this qualifies as an achievement.


Only a socialist would consider the Cash for Clunkers redistribution plan a success. They basically took $3 billion of our dollars and subsidized private purchase of cars.

Not everyone needs a new car. I could use some of that money for a new refrigerator though.


With the same DefSec and under pretty much the same time frame as the previous administration.


I'm not sure about the $787 billion dollar stimulus or the Cash for Clunkers program. Unless of course, the congress overrode the veto.

And, I'm sorry, I didn't read your last statement until I'd written the other stuff.

:lol No Problem.

Im trying to be fair. "Cash for Clunkers" was desiged to get people to buy cars which it HAS done. Does this make it fair? No. I agree, its extremely unfair to subsidize a private purchase such as a car.

I agree 100% about the Def Sec and Iraq and Afganistan. He's just continuing what Bush put in place when it comes to foreign affairs.

Also, I guess sotamayor would be an "achievemnt" but no one cares.

[clambake]

I guess sotamayor would be an "achievemnt" but no one cares.

yoni cares deeply.

[Yonivore]

:lol No Problem.

Im trying to be fair. "Cash for Clunkers" was desiged to get people to buy cars which it HAS done. Does this make it fair? No. I agree, its extremely unfair to subsidize a private purchase such as a car.

I agree 100% about the Def Sec and Iraq and Afganistan. He's just continuing what Bush put in place when it comes to foreign affairs.

Also, I guess sotamayor would be an "achievemnt" but no one cares.
Sotomayor is an abomination.

[DarrinS]

...achieved? I mean, we hear this is the most successful administration in the history of the universe but, for the life of me, I can't figure out at what they've succeeded.



He's united conservatives and independents.

He is a uniter.

[Hops]

:lol No Problem.

Im trying to be fair. "Cash for Clunkers" was desiged to get people to buy cars which it HAS done. Does this make it fair? No. I agree, its extremely unfair to subsidize a private purchase such as a car.

I agree 100% about the Def Sec and Iraq and Afganistan. He's just continuing what Bush put in place when it comes to foreign affairs.

Also, I guess sotamayor would be an "achievemnt" but no one cares.

That kind of happens when you start a war disguised as going to find weapons of mass destruction, but was really all about the oil

[hope4dopes]

he prevented an economic apocalypse.

you wouldn't understand.

cleaning up is no easy business.


Yeah that was impressive...... but I think turning the water into wine was good,and healing the lepers was amazing,and who'll ever forget the resurection....hey clambake I think.....you got the wrong guy.....again.

[doobs]

he prevented an economic apocalypse.


:lmao

You're an economist, too? An economist who doesn't understand how a tax subsidy works?

[clambake]

:lmao

You're an economist, too? An economist who doesn't understand how a tax subsidy works?

why don't you create something and you can worship that tax subsidy as if it were a cash cow.

thats what you think it is. at least thats what you heard, right?

[hope4dopes]

Yoni without a doubt is 100% bullshitter. The idea that he's actually judging Obama objectively at 8 months is kind of hilarious. This thread could have been made last November.

If you haven't come to some conclusions about this administration in 8 months, with the speed and heavy handedness they've used, it's because you made up your...for the lack of a better word.....mind....eight months ago, don't you bullshit.

[Jacob1983]

Obama should ask himself this question. "How many times can I blame Bush for my mistakes"? Seriously, that shit has gotten really old and annoying. We all know that Bush was a shitty president and that he made a lot of mistakes as president but that was the past. Obama is president right now. He needs to accept the fact that Bush is no longer president and that he is responsible for everything happens right now. Obama wanted the power, fame, recognition, perks, and celebrity you get as president but he doesn't want to accept the negative things that come with it like stress, accepting responsiblity for your mistakes or fuckups, criticism, skeptics, haters, etc...
Bush was one of the most hated and disrespected presidents in American history but he didn't give a fuck. He didn't let people's opinions of him affect him the way that Obama does.

[Hops]

Obama should ask himself this question. "How many times can I blame Bush for my mistakes"? Seriously, that shit has gotten really old and annoying. We all know that Bush was a shitty president and that he made a lot of mistakes as president but that was the past. Obama is president right now. He needs to accept the fact that Bush is no longer president and that he is responsible for everything happens right now. Obama wanted the power, fame, recognition, perks, and celebrity you get as president but he doesn't want to accept the negative things that come with it like stress, accepting responsiblity for your mistakes or fuckups, criticism, skeptics, haters, etc...
Bush was one of the most hated and disrespected presidents in American history but he didn't give a fuck. He didn't let people's opinions of him affect him the way that Obama does.

No one can clean up 8 years of fuckin up in 8 months

[lefty]

Obama has made Viagra and Cialis obsolete