To come to America if Obamacare passes

[Wild Cobra]

Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Metro Vancouver due to government underfunding, leaked paper
(http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=1878506&sponsor)

[Wild Cobra]

Woman gives birth on pavement 'after being refused ambulance' (British National health care) (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2318039/posts?page=47)

[DarrinS]

I can't figure out why anyone would want this.

[Wild Cobra]

I can't figure out why anyone would want this.I wonder how many articles like that will start appearing in our news should Obamacare pass?

[boutons_deux]

But you can't find ANY horror stories in USA?

How about, for starters, 60% of all personal bankruptcies are due to medical catastrohpe?

etc, etc, etc

yes, "why anyone would want this."

[George Gervin's Afro]

Luckily he's not trying to pass a Canadian style system our he could have problems.

[SonOfAGun]

Just as long as it's the illegals who get the axe due to rationing first before actual American citizens right???

Right?..:depressed

[ChumpDumper]

Luckily he's not trying to pass a Canadian style system our he could have problems.No shit. Nor is it the British system. I don't mind an honest debate -- I just don't understand why folks repeatedly lie and think they are getting away with it.

[Wild Cobra]

No shit. Nor is it the British system. I don't mind an honest debate -- I just don't understand why folks repeatedly lie and think they are getting away with it.
The fact is there isn't a single nation run program that works better than what we already have. The primary fact behind almost every section of HB 3200 is giving government control over every aspect of health care. Tell me. Do you trust the government that much?

[ChumpDumper]

The fact is there isn't a single nation run program that works better than what we already have.Based on what?
The primary fact behind almost every section of HB 3200 is giving government control over every aspect of health care. Tell me. Do you trust the government that much?Boo!

You trust actuaries and profit-driven CEOs and stockholders that much?

I don't trust anyone. There will always be a back and forth between conservative and liberal governance. When Republicans get back in power they can undo everything that might be done here. I just don't scare as easily as you.

[DarrinS]

No shit. Nor is it the British system. I don't mind an honest debate -- I just don't understand why folks repeatedly lie and think they are getting away with it.



I think it will be closest to the Liechtenstein system. It's best to use a system that people know nothing about. Makes it's harder to criticize.

[DarrinS]

I don't trust anyone. There will always be a back and forth between conservative and liberal governance. When Republicans get back in power they can undo everything that might be done here. I just don't scare as easily as you.


Not so fast there Kemosabe. When this becomes a shitty law, it is harder than you think to "undo".

[ChumpDumper]

Not so fast there Kemosabe. When this becomes a shitty law, it is harder than you think to "undo".Nah, we undid prohibition -- and that was a constitutional amendment.

Airlines were deregulated.

Etc.

But continue to be scared. It suits you guys.

[boutons_deux]

"isn't a single nation run program that works better"

in your self-congratulating, ideologically motivated, agenda-driven opinion.

[SonOfAGun]

No shit. Nor is it the British system. I don't mind an honest debate -- I just don't understand why folks repeatedly lie and think they are getting away with it.

Paranoia or Students of History. Take your pick.

[SonOfAGun]

Based on what?Boo!

You trust actuaries and profit-driven CEOs and stockholders that much?

I don't trust anyone. There will always be a back and forth between conservative and liberal governance. When Republicans get back in power they can undo everything that might be done here. I just don't scare as easily as you.

You think it is being scared? Chump you are a highly intelligent man who makes plenty of money. You know you will be among the least affected out of a 300 million person population. Because you are so intelligent, you know you will be able to game whatever system you find yourself in. You are not the only one.

What's wrong is wrong. That's what it is. Some people just hate seeing tricksters with power profit off destruction.

[ChumpDumper]

Paranoia or Students of History. Take your pick.What history?


You think it is being scared? Chump you are a highly intelligent man who makes plenty of money. You know you will be among the least affected out of a 300 million person population. Because you are so intelligent, you know you will be able to game whatever system you find yourself in. You are not the only one.What does that have to do with anything?


What's wrong is wrong. That's what it is. Some people just hate seeing tricksters with power profit off destruction.Destruction of what?

You guys are so vague, it's ridiculous.

[fyatuk]

But you can't find ANY horror stories in USA?

How about, for starters, 60% of all personal bankruptcies are due to medical catastrohpe?

etc, etc, etc

yes, "why anyone would want this."

Which could be fixed by requiring employers to contribute a set percentage equivalent of salary to any plan selected by the employee. This way, someone could get catastrophe insurance without the unwanted health management aspect of pretty much all health plans.

If I could get my employer to contribute the $150-200/mo they would pay for me on their group plan to a catastrophe plan, I'd take it. I just don't want the managed health BS.

[DMX7]

I think we should abolish public universities too. We don't want any more "public options" than we have to have.

[ChumpDumper]

You know they drove private universities completely out of business.

[Rogue]

The government is plotting to take control over any industry that makes profits, it's already got educational system and now the medical is right under its claw. Honestly the government-run care can cover more people than the private does, while the industry is exactly the same one. Then after the government takes over the health care system, the care will be recollected and redistributed among the 350 heads living in America, original and immigrants both included. That said, the original Americans will have to give up some of what they already have for those uninsured, even including those illegal immigrants. So it's no wonder original Americans are not so approval of Obamacare. As to the education, there weren't so many colleges or unis back in Lincoln's time, but we can see colleges almost everywhere today in America, most of which are crowded with students from other countries especially some asian countries, thanks to the scholarship they get from the government. However, the original Americans are charged hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition, and most of them can't actually afford it.

[DarrinS]

Nah, we undid prohibition -- and that was a constitutional amendment.

Airlines were deregulated.

Etc.

But continue to be scared. It suits you guys.




What entitlement programs have we "undone"?


Next.

[boutons_deux]

conservatives and wrongies are only against govt intervention and regs for social programs.

When govt regs protect corporations, the conservatives think it's wonderful. They only like money redistrubuted up the wealth pyramid, never down.

[DarrinS]

conservatives and wrongies are only against govt intervention and regs for social programs.

When govt regs protect corporations, the conservatives think it's wonderful. They only like money redistrubuted up the wealth pyramid, never down.



You'd rather give someone a fish. I'd rather teach someone to fish.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Nah, we undid prohibition -- thank the "progressives" for prohibition, yet they reversed it.............and they're still called "progressives"?

jumbo shrimp if you ask me. :wakeup

[Wild Cobra]

You'd rather give someone a fish. I'd rather teach someone to fish.Of course he would, because it's "Other People's Money!"

[clambake]

Of course he would, because it's "Other People's Money!"

its other peoples fish. dude, you're trippin.

[Wild Cobra]

its other peoples fish. dude, you're trippin.OMG... You mean you are actually going to fish for them rather than buy them? That doesn't seem much like a Mercedes owner to me.

[clambake]

OMG... You mean you are actually going to fish for them rather than buy them? That doesn't seem much like a Mercedes owner to me.

we're not talking about me, we're talking about little people.

[Wild Cobra]

we're not talking about me, we're talking about little people.So you're going to have your employees fish for the poor.

How generous of you. How many do you expect to quit on you? I guess that clears your conscience instead of laying them off, huh?

[clambake]

So you're going to have your employees fish for the poor.

How generous of you. How many do you expect to quit on you? I guess that clears your conscience instead of laying them off, huh?

no, i'm gonna have you pay for it.

[Wild Cobra]

no, i'm gonna have you pay for it.
See, I knew I was right.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

no, i'm gonna have you pay for it.
just remember to set aside for your $100 oil changes.

[clambake]

just remember to set aside for your $100 oil changes.

actually, if i remember, it's closer to $110+tax.

[LnGrrrR]

The fact is there isn't a single nation run program that works better than what we already have. The primary fact behind almost every section of HB 3200 is giving government control over every aspect of health care. Tell me. Do you trust the government that much?

Your definition of "best" isn't definitive.

[coyotes_geek]

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/8/17/633861216943850165-healthcarereform.jpg