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anonoftheinternets
08-19-2009, 03:09 PM
link -- http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/basketballphysic/

Sorry, Lakers fans, Kobe could be holding your team’s offense back.
Elite players could be taking too many shots for optimal offensive efficiency, according to new mathematical analysis using network theory.
Treating each player like a pathway to get the ball into the basket, a physicist has deduced that the most efficient path to a basket does not always run through star players like Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, or Ray Allen, even though they are better shooters than their teammates.


“The idea that a team could improve after losing one of its best players may in fact have a network-based justification, and not just a psychological one,” wrote Brian Skinner (http://www.physics.umn.edu/people/bskinner.html), a physicist at the University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, in a paper posted to the arXiv.org (http://arxiv.org/abs/0908.1801). (Skinner is no relation to the other Brian Skinner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Skinner), Baylor standout, Los Angeles Clippers power forward and 22nd pick in the 1998 NBA Draft.)


First, Skinner explains how people making the best decisions for themselves can hurt the efficiency of a total system. Let’s say that there are two roads, a highway and an alley shortcut. The alley takes up to ten minutes, but sometimes less depending on traffic, and the highway always takes ten minutes. Individuals realize they could save time by taking the alley, so they do. Unfortunately, when everyone takes the shortcut, it ends up taking the full ten minutes.


It’s a suboptimal arrangement that statisticians call “the price of anarchy.” If you force some cars to take the highway to give other cars a faster alley commute, then the average commute time goes down.
In more complex simulations, even closing down some roads actually leads to reduced traffic — and some real-world evidence (http://stat.kaist.ac.kr/%7Ehjeong/PRL2008.pdf) [pdf] from cities like San Francisco appears to agree with theory, Skinner wrote.
By analogy, perhaps, getting rid of Kobe Bryant could actually make things better by dispersing the “cars” (i.e. possessions) more evenly. Offensive balance could reduce “traffic,” making putting the ball in the basket easier.


The key assumption is that a player’s real shooting percentage goes down as they take a greater percentage of a team’s shots. Skinner’s stats show this appears to be the case with Allen — and it stands to reason, too. As a player dominates an offense more, the defense adjusts. They double the player, devote more attention to him, and likely deny him high quality shots that are likely to go in. (We might call this the Iverson effect (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/22860/20_shots_why_the_sixers_will_never.html?singlepage =true&cat=14).)


So, if one were to distribute the number of shots a player takes on the basis of their shooting skill, the math says the team’s overall shooting percentage would go down. If Ray Allen takes only as many shots as the rest of his teammates, he will make more of them than he would if he put it up on 40 percent of the possessions.
By distributing shots more evenly, then, the team’s overall shooting efficiency could go up, even if the other players on the team are only average shooters. For the star player, it’s a bit like that old adage, “You’re promoted until you’re incompetent.”


Of course, Skinner’s analysis doesn’t take defense into account and the interplay between the shooting skills of the best players versus the worst players could change the results somewhat, but it will probably add fuel to the barbershop debates of Brooklyn over whether or not the Knicks really would have been better without Patrick Ewing.
Via arXiv blog (http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/23997/)

anonoftheinternets
08-19-2009, 03:12 PM
interesting article, but i totally disagree. Too many over-simplifications. And not enough weight given to clutch-ness of the stars ..

Muser
08-19-2009, 03:14 PM
The Lakers would be better off without Kobe, The writer needs to have his genitals removed with a rusty axe.

ginobili's bald spot
08-19-2009, 03:16 PM
lol Brian Skinner

Ghazi
08-19-2009, 03:19 PM
Kobe's on/off rating was 2nd in league last year with regard to offense... so yeah, no. Interestingly, the defense was worse when Kobe was on the floor last year... but that was in all likelihood a one year outlier.

anonoftheinternets
08-19-2009, 03:19 PM
surprising that it made its way to "wired" .. that is a decent site for articles about technology.

Findog
08-19-2009, 03:21 PM
Kobe's shot selection isn't the best bc he takes about 5-6 shots a game that he shouldn't take, since he believes he can make them. Nobody in the league is better than Kobe when it comes to pulling off shots with a high degree of difficulty. Problem is, you shouldn't be taking them in the first place.

That said, it is the height of folly to think the Lakers offense would be better without arguably the best player in the league.

Trainwreck2100
08-19-2009, 03:32 PM
It could maybe be more efficient, but not better

BUMP
08-19-2009, 03:33 PM
When I read this article, I think of the latin word fucking stupid which can be applied in many circumstances but I think this is a good time to use it

ambchang
08-19-2009, 03:42 PM
The article never said the offense would be more efficient without Kobe, it said the Lakers offense would be more efficient if offensive possessions are being distributed more evenly.

Kobe is still needed on the floor, just that he would need to make the right decisions everytime, which in and of itself would require a perfect basketball player. By definition (at least non-Laker fans), Kobe is not perfect because no player is, so this article adds little insight.

Culburn369
08-19-2009, 03:45 PM
Kobe is not perfect because no player is, so this article adds little insight.

amb, gettin' his coherent on,,,of a Wednesday afternoon.

Good for you, keed.

Muser
08-19-2009, 03:47 PM
The article never said the offense would be more efficient without Kobe, it said the Lakers offense would be more efficient if offensive possessions are being distributed more evenly.

Kobe is still needed on the floor, just that he would need to make the right decisions everytime, which in and of itself would require a perfect basketball player. By definition (at least non-Laker fans), Kobe is not perfect because no player is, so this article adds little insight.


But without Kobe certain players wouldn't get open looks so the possesions may be distributed more evenly, but they won't be better or more efficient.

Indazone
08-19-2009, 03:57 PM
Which is why the Rockets offense hummed along about 5 points better after T-Mac went out with an injury. Now if only someone would have told Artest to pass the ball.

ambchang
08-19-2009, 04:23 PM
But without Kobe certain players wouldn't get open looks so the possesions may be distributed more evenly, but they won't be better or more efficient.

That was not the point of the article. It merely stated that Kobe could distribute the offense more evenly.

What you mentioned was the Ewing theory, but we all know that Kobe > 99 Ewing by a couple of light years.

BeeGee
08-19-2009, 04:29 PM
:sleep

TheMACHINE
08-19-2009, 05:59 PM
We'll see this year.....we'll see if Ariza can make those jumpers when someone is actually guarding him.

Showtime24 LAKERS
08-19-2009, 06:36 PM
First off, if the article claims that teams are better off without their top notch players then why is it that when in reality these players are taken out of the game, the records indicate otherwise? The authors argument is absurd and can be refuted easily. Second, this is what this supposed "scientist" needs to realize: Take Kobe or Lebron, the two best players in the NBA off their respective team for 10 games and compare it subsequently with the following 10 games where the superstar is present, what do you get? I think the answer is pretty obvious. Enough is said!

DeadlyDynasty
08-20-2009, 07:52 AM
When I read this article, I think of the latin word fucking stupid which can be applied in many circumstances but I think this is a good time to use it

:lmao sigworthy:toast

Chieflion
08-20-2009, 09:28 AM
This is like saying Kobe Bryant is a negative on offense just like Zach Randolph.

z0sa
08-20-2009, 12:34 PM
kobe bryant is overrated, but not that much.