And the left bitched for eight years...

[Yonivore]

...about George Bush's hubris, arrogance, and invocation of religion?


http://www.drudgereport.com/oc.jpg

'We are God's partners in matters of life and death' (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/We_are_Gods_partners_in_matters_of_life_and_death. html?showall)

[angrydude]

oh noes!!! theocracy here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Wake me when Obama starts a crusade.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It started 110508 :wakeup

[ChumpDumper]

Nah, he's just a liberal :wakeup

[clambake]

god talked to obama about war?

[balli]

Obama invoked God and morality in order to better American's health and extend their lives.

Bush invoked God in order to end the lives of (edit: murder) innocent Muslims and our own soldiers while enriching his war profiteer/oil crony friends.

[jack sommerset]

god talked to obama about war?

If he did he would lie about it.

[clambake]

If he did he would lie about it.

did god lie to bush, too?

[jacobdrj]

God is special. God is great. God is... George Burns...

[boutons_deux]

For a nation that "Christian" supremacists want to have to have hthe USA officially declared (their brand of) "Christian" (next step: theocracy), there isn't a lot of "care for the sick" to go around.

dubya "thinking" and saying God wanted dubya to start a bogus war-for-oil is totally different that saying God wants Christians to care care for the sick, but whatever slimy spin you wrongies want to put on it is fully predictable.

[jack sommerset]

did god lie to bush, too?

:lol Bush

[SouthernFried]

The misnomer here is..."Obama wants to take care of the sick."

This is about power and control...not about taking care of anyone. This is what govt's objectives are, and have always been throughout history. You'd think people would have learned this lesson in the last 5,000 yrs or so.

[balli]

You'd think people would have learned this lesson in the last 5,000 yrs or so.
The right has pretty much been proven wrong about everything, ever. And as a southerner, I'm not sure your ass would be singing the same anti-federalist tune if those power-hungry, lefty sosilists turned off your TVA power.

[clambake]

The misnomer here is..."Obama wants to take care of the sick."

This is about power and control...not about taking care of anyone. This is what govt's objectives are, and have always been throughout history. You'd think people would have learned this lesson in the last 5,000 yrs or so.

bullshit. you guys think the earth is 5000 years old.

[Stringer_Bell]

This is about power and control...not about taking care of anyone. This is what govt's objectives are, and have always been throughout history.

Isn't "the Church" as in institution the same way? And the people going to Church are sometimes just as bad, they shake your hand and say "peace be with you" but cut you off and shoot the finger when you're navigating your way out of the crowded parking lot in the HOT HOT SUN.

Let's all just go with Obama's ideas, we followed the white guy into an unjustified war why can't we follow the black guy into letting old people die?

[George Gervin's Afro]

The misnomer here is..."Obama wants to take care of the sick."

This is about power and control...not about taking care of anyone. This is what govt's objectives are, and have always been throughout history. You'd think people would have learned this lesson in the last 5,000 yrs or so.


why would the govt want power? considering term limits for president and death for congressmen who benefits from this control?

[SonOfAGun]

Obama invoked God and morality in order to better American's health and extend their lives.

Bush invoked God in order to end the lives of (edit: murder) innocent Muslims and our own soldiers while enriching his war profiteer/oil crony friends.

ahhhh This is interesting Balli'son.

In your first sentence you state what is on the surface; the smoke and mirrors objective.

In your second sentence you state the true agenda.

Why is this Balli?

[hope4dopes]

The right has pretty much been proven wrong about everything, ever. And as a southerner, I'm not sure your ass would be singing the same anti-federalist tune if those power-hungry, lefty sosilists turned off your TVA power.

I understand you being stupid it's a roll of the dice ya know...... , but tell me why are you such a hatefull little prick.

[Ignignokt]

Wake me when Obama starts a crusade.

i'll wake u up because of your ignorance on The crusades, and drawing cheap parrallels.

[ChumpDumper]

I know a bit about the crusades -- and I know that Bush said he started one.

[Jacob1983]

So are abortion doctors and God partners on life and death too, Obama?

[Marcus Bryant]

What exactly has changed in Iraq and Afghanistan? What a fucking fraud.

[Yonivore]

Good question. We should consider this for eternity.
I'm sure some will.

[Yonivore]

I like Victor Davis Hanson's take on this...

'A contest between hope and fear'? (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDkwOWI2Y2FhMTAzZjI0Mzk0MzkzYzMxNzQxYjg1ZjY=)


There is something creepy about the sudden invocation of Christian morality by the president to galvanize support for his state-run health care plan, as if his opponents are suddenly to be seen as somehow selfish or even un-Christian. This is an unfortunate, counter-productive tactic for at least four reasons:

1) The moral argument comes at the eleventh hour, rather than the first, of public debate, as if it is a desperate fall-back position intended to shame opponents who happen to think that massive state intervention will make health care worse rather than better;

2) Ironically, the religious trope would argue against the entrance of the state that would relieve citizens of their own moral responsibilities to help out family and friends in times of illness. It is no accident that secularism, agnosticism, and atheism are strongest in socialist Europe, where the government has relieved citizens of traditional moral responsibilities emphasized by religion;

3) This contrived use of religiosity (e.g., “There are some folks out there who are frankly bearing false witness.”) has a Reverend Wright flavor of mixing politics and religion in cynical fashion to bolster Obama's fides as an authentic moral figure. And isn't the use of religion as a political tool precisely what Obama and others have objected to in the Christian Right?;

4) Rather than demonize opponents as callous and disingenuous, all the president has to do to refute their supposed scare tactics is to explicitly assure the public that abortion receives no state funds in his program, that illegal aliens are not included in his proposed new blanket coverage, and that autonomous government panels will not withhold federal health-care coverage, in the case of the elderly, on the basis of perceived cost-benefit considerations.

I think we are seeing a sort of presidential meltdown. As Obama's polls free-fall, and threaten wider political damage, it causes him a certain novel exasperation that for the first time in his life soaring hope-and-change rhetoric for some strange reason no longer substitutes for a detailed, logical, and honest agenda. The problem right now is not with un-Christian opponents, but dozens of congressional Democrats who simply do not wish to run on state-run medical care (as well as higher taxes, larger deficits, cap-and-trade, etc.), and no longer sense the president's popularity trumps the unpopularity of his agenda and gives them cover with the voters.

[Darrin]

43 and 44 Believe in Faith-Based Initiatives. They both had to defend their faith in their first campaigns. They both spend like drunken sailors. I just like what Obama does to the country better than Bush.

And that's coming from a liberal athiest.

[sabar]

why would the govt want power? considering term limits for president and death for congressmen who benefits from this control?

:lmao

[SpurNation]

LOL. The pendulum switches and the concerns one had now becomes the "cross to bare". This happens with every election where the balance of power switches from one party to the other.

For those that don't believe in mixing religion with politics...they're one and the same.

Politics...on the surface like religion...is about doing what sounds right. But underlying in the crevices of their operation both use manipulation and psycological deprevation of their followers in order to gain power and wealth for themselves.


Good question. We should consider this for eternity.


I'm sure some will.

It already has been going on for eternity.

[Yonivore]

Lebanese man is target of first rendition under Obama (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-rendition22-2009aug22,0,569241.story)

And, he's not even a terrorist!


“A Lebanese citizen being held in a detention center here was hooded, stripped naked for photographs and bundled onto an executive jet by FBI agents in Afghanistan in April, making him the first known target of a rendition during the Obama administration,” the Los Angeles Times reported.
Raymond Azar, 45, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit bribery, the only charge against him.

ACLU?

New York Times?

Hollywood?

The Democratic Party?

After nearly 8 years of holier-than-thou scoffing at President Bush’s desperate attempts to avoid another 9/11, liberals are using anti-terrorist techniques to catch white-collar criminals.

[clambake]

Lebanese man is target of first rendition under Obama (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-rendition22-2009aug22,0,569241.story)

And, he's not even a terrorist!


Raymond Azar, 45, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit bribery, the only charge against him.

ACLU?

New York Times?

Hollywood?

The Democratic Party?

After nearly 8 years of holier-than-thou scoffing at President Bush’s desperate attempts to avoid another 9/11, liberals are using anti-terrorist techniques to catch white-collar criminals.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

yoni must be one of those people cheering for libya!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, Yoni wants Obama to fail in Afghanistan.

He said so.
Arrested along with Azar was Dinorah Cobos, 52, a naturalized American from Honduras. Cobos, who did not make the same claims of abuse, this week pleaded guilty to conspiracy and bribery.

Their case is different from the widely criticized "extraordinary renditions" carried out after the Sept. 11 attacks. In those cases, CIA teams snatched suspected Al Qaeda members and other alleged terrorists overseas and flew them, shackled and hooded, to prisons outside the United States without any arrest warrants or other judicial proceedings.

The FBI arrested Azar and Cobos with warrants signed by a federal magistrate. And the State Department, Talamona said, asked the government of Afghanistan "for its consent in advance to take these two individuals into custody and return them to the United States to stand trial. They consented to our request."

But Yoni is a well-known perpetrator of fraud himself, so it's no surprise he would jump to the defense of others doing the same thing.

[clambake]

the old yoni would be upset that these people will have their day in court.

[ChumpDumper]

Yoni believes in law and order.

Except when he doesn't.

[SpurNation]

The FBI arrested Azar and Cobos with warrants signed by a federal magistrate. And the State Department, Talamona said, asked the government of Afghanistan "for its consent in advance to take these two individuals into custody and return them to the United States to stand trial. They consented to our request."

The United States could not seek consent from (at that time of 9/11) Afganastan since the country was being controlled by the Taliban.

Different time, different political structure.