September 5th: Argentina / Brazil

[MB20]

World Cup Qualifiers game in Rosario, Argentina.

Predictions? :toast

We HAVE TO win this game. We are not in a position to lose any points.
Argentina is currently in 4th place.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Brazil wins 3 - 0.

Maradona doesn't know what the fuck he is doing.

[Brazil]

I'm afraid Brazil win this one

[MB20]

Argentina is having serious problems on defense.
Russia exposed them. We were lucky the russian forwards missed all those oportunities to score.
Brazil will murder us if we don´t play better D.

[hater]

LOL maradona

[MB20]

LOL maradona

Nevermind...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

LOL maradona

I'm actually looking forward to Brazil exposing Maradona. Its high time this fucking country realizes who and what he is. A great player, no doubt but absolutely nothing else. He wouldn't know coaching if it hit him in the face.

It also gets pretty fucking tiring to see how most people in Argentina pay attention to Maradona like he is a deity or something. When in reality he is an ignorant piece of crap with no sense of the responsibility his "role model" status comes with.

The day kids in this country stop modeling themselves after trash like him is the day this country turns a corner.

/end rant

[MB20]

It also gets pretty fucking tiring to see how most people in Argentina pay attention to Maradona like he is a deity or something. When in reality he is an ignorant piece of crap with no sense of the responsibility his "role model" status comes with.

/end rant

I´m at the other side of the street.
I will always love him no matter what. If we can´t qualify for the WC, I will still love him.

I know he is ignorant. I know he has a big mouth. I know he is a drug addict.
He is not a role model to me.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I´m at the other side of the street.
I will always love him no matter what. If we can´t qualify for the WC, I will still love him.

I know he is ignorant. I know he has a big mouth. I know he is a drug addict.
He is not a role model to me.

I rest my case...

[mookie2001]

argentina is ignorant

[mookie2001]

as a country

[MB20]

I rest my case...

What can I say? Some people still like Monzon. Vilas is a douchebag.
I like Maradona. :lol

[hater]

argentina is ignorant



as a country

This coming from a guy who needs 2 posts to complete a sentence

[mookie2001]

the first post was a sentence

[mookie2001]

and then a fragment

[symple19]

I'll always pull for Argentina against Brazil, simply because Brazil is always considered the best in soccer. However, I'll never forgive the Maradona hand ball in 86'. Why Maradona is managing I still have no idea, and you can forget about defense as long as he's there.

BTW, Argentina has the best looking uniforms in maybe any sport, anywhere, IMO.

[Typhoon]

Argentina won't lose in the Gigante de Arroyito.

[Typhoon]

Also fuck the Maradona haters.

The guy won the world cup by himself and bought happiness to a shitty ass country that really needed it at the moment, and for that reason Maradona has my support, the hunger to win hasn't been in the Argentina national team for a long time and the fact that he's trying his best to make those prima donnas understand what they are playing for is very important and something that had to be done a long time ago.

Yes he has made mistakes, but who hasn't, and it really pisses me off when people judge others when they don't look themselves first.

Maradona has made a lot of positive changes in his life, and about being the coach of Argentina he still has a lot of time to prove himself, and there's no reason to make personal attacks about him.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Also fuck the Maradona haters.

The guy won the world cup by himself and bought happiness to a shitty ass country that really needed it at the moment, and for that reason Maradona has my support, the hunger to win hasn't been in the Argentina national team for a long time and the fact that he's trying his best to make those prima donnas understand what they are playing for is very important and something that had to be done a long time ago.

Oh give me a fucking break! I know the reason Maradona nut huggers like him, you're not breaking any news here.

I'll be the first to tell you that the reasons I don't like Maradona have nothing to do with the way he plays football. I loved how he played as well, but at least recognize that you love him for what he WAS, not what he IS. What he is, is everything that is wrong with Argentina. That being willfully ignorant, irresponsible, and a fucking sellout to the highest bidder.


Yes he has made mistakes, but who hasn't, and it really pisses me off when people judge others when they don't look themselves first.

Spare me the "don't judge, lest you be judged" bullshit! He is a public figure, his behavior influences people. He chose to not give a fuck about that. Besides, I don't understand why people love him so much. Yeah, he won the world cup 23 fucking years ago. All of a sudden, he is a deity who can't do or say anything wrong. He always gets a pass. In fact, when he's finished fucking up the national team, he'll get a pass as well. That's how fucking stupid we are.

By the way, I'd like to point out that he may have won WC in 86 for us, but he's also the single biggest reason our team lost in 94. Remember the games after he was escorted out by the nurse (what a proud moment that was)? I don't remember seeing a team more demoralized in my life.


and about being the coach of Argentina he still has a lot of time to prove himself, and there's no reason to make personal attacks about him.

I have zero faith in his ability to coach shit but my personal attacks on him have nothing to do with his coaching and everything to do with him.

Obviously, I sidetracked like a motherfucker in this thread but I just find it hard to believe we still worship people like him after all the shit we've been through. I'm beginning to think we'll never. fucking. learn.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

To fully answer the OP.

I think our offense is crap and I think Brazil knows this...

I think our defense is crappier and I know Brazil knows this...

I think every time we play Brazil our nuts shrivel and the only times we've been able to beat them is when we come in focused and coordinated. Anyone that thinks this team is focused or coordinated after watching the Russia match is deluded.

This is just my opinion. You're welcome to disagree.

[Phenomanul]

To fully answer the OP.

I think our offense is crap and I think Brazil knows this...

I think our defense is crappier and I know Brazil knows this...

I think every time we play Brazil our nuts shrivel and the only times we've been able to beat them is when we come in focused and coordinated. Anyone that thinks this team is focused or coordinated after watching the Russia match is deluded.

This is just my opinion. You're welcome to disagree.

I didn't see the Russia game... but the goals that Argentina scored against them were superb...

[Sense]

I didn't see the Russia game... but the goals that Argentina scored against them were superb...

I saw that game... and Argentina made Russia look like a top 5 team... seriously they looked like robots.

I have to admit I also saw Maradona in the bench and laughed... and then I understood.

Truth is... Manumaniac is keeping it real, Argentina doesn't look too scary right now and it's because of Maradona.

I'm not from Argentina but I also agree on his point of view regarding Maradona.

[cheguevara]

last nite I dreamt Argentina wins 3-1

let's see if El Che still got his mojo

[MB20]

last nite I dreamt Argentina wins 3-1

let's see if El Che still got his mojo

That would have been a nightmare for urunobili...:lol

[ClubberLang]

My prediction?!



PAIN!

[DAF86]

Argentina will not lose against Brazil in their home, they might draw (or tie -Which one do I have to use on this case?) but they won't lose. Brazil has never beaten us playing in Argentina and I don't think they will now. Brazil has been winning lately but they aren't playing particularly well, in fact not to long ago they were in a worst position than us.

[sonic21]

Let's hope Argentina will lose badly, then maybe people in Argentina will realize how horrible Maradona is (as a coach).

[MB20]

Let's hope Argentina will lose badly, then maybe people in Argentina will realize how horrible Maradona is (as a coach).

I know Maradona is horrible as a coach.
But, win or lose against Brazil, I will still love him. :toast

[hater]

Let's hope Argentina will lose badly, then maybe people in Argentina will realize how horrible Maradona is (as a coach).

If they did not realize this after the Bolivia massacre, do you really think they ever will???

BTW, Brazil won in Bolivia

[sonic21]

so Palermo and Schiavi will be on the team... interesting

[DAF86]

so Palermo and Schiavi will be on the team... interesting

I don't think they will play much, if they get to play at all.

[MB20]

so Palermo and Schiavi will be on the team... interesting

If Schiavi plays even 1 minute, it would be a miracle.

About Palermo, I want him to have a chance. Maybe 10 or 15 mins.
He made a HUGE mistake some years ago missing 3 penalty kicks in the same game. People will never forget it, and I don´t want him to be remembered like that.
He is one of the best argie scorers of the last 30 years. He deserves another chance, imo. I want him to vindicate.

[sonic21]

If Schiavi plays even 1 minute, it would be a miracle.

About Palermo, I want him to have a chance. Maybe 10 or 15 mins.
He made a HUGE mistake some years ago missing 3 penalty kicks in the same game. People will never forget it, and I don´t want him to be remembered like that.
He is one of the best argie scorers of the last 30 years. He deserves another chance, imo. I want him to vindicate.

he's a good player. But why didn't he succeed in Europe? Did he choose to stay in Argentina? I've always wondered why he didn't come during his prime in Europe.

[MB20]

he's a good player. But why didn't he succeed in Europe? Did he choose to stay in Argentina? I've always wondered why he didn't come during his prime in Europe.

He played in Spain (Villarreal).
He was doing fine, getting used to the european style.
But he had bad luck. After he scored a goal, he went to celebrate with the fans, and a wall collapsed over his leg. Fracture. 6 months out.

After he came back, he struggled. It took him some time to get back to his previous level.

Unfortunately, he tore his ligaments twice iirc. We was out for 6 months a couple of times.

Anyway, he scored over 100 goals in Argentina and won everything a club can win locally and internationally.

He is not the most skilled player. I give you that. And he is like 34 or 35 years old now. Not exactly part of the future of the team.

Every team would love to have a "9" like him.

[hater]

Palermo is a B class player. Damn, Argentina is struggling that bad?

[MB20]

Palermo is a B class player. Damn, Argentina is struggling that bad?

Yes. At Palermo´s position, we are struggling.
No more Batistutas or Crespos.
Our forwards are Tevez, Messi, Aguero...all of them very skilled players, but midgets to play central forward.
Milito, Lavezzi, Salvio, Lopez...good scorers, but players who can´t hold a position against stronger players during corner kicks or free kicks.
I don´t expect any goals scored by headers if we don´t have a big and strong forward.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Yes. At Palermo´s position, we are struggling.
No more Batistutas or Crespos.
Our forwards are Tevez, Messi, Aguero...all of them very skilled players, but midgets to play central forward.
Milito, Lavezzi, Salvio, Lopez...good scorers, but players who can´t hold a position against stronger players during corner kicks or free kicks.
I don´t expect any goals scored by headers if we don´t have a big and strong forward.

palermo is fkn shit....dont know whats so good about him, has he ever played outside of argy instead of boca juniors?

[MB20]

palermo is fkn shit....dont know whats so good about him, has he ever played outside of argy instead of boca juniors?

Yes, he has.
Read post #34

[TDMVPDPOY]

u know ur shit when ur on villareal...a team with alot of ex argy players...

they are a good border team besides the top4 in the spanish league....

[MB20]

So these players are shit by your logic.

Diego López Rodríguez
Joan Capdevila
Marcos Senna
Santiago Cazorla

I don´t think they care, as long as they keep being selected for Spain NT.

[DAF86]

Palermo is a B class player. Damn, Argentina is struggling that bad?


Yes. At Palermo´s position, we are struggling.
No more Batistutas or Crespos.
Our forwards are Tevez, Messi, Aguero...all of them very skilled players, but midgets to play central forward.
Milito, Lavezzi, Salvio, Lopez...good scorers, but players who can´t hold a position against stronger players during corner kicks or free kicks.
I don´t expect any goals scored by headers if we don´t have a big and strong forward.

I don't know why the fuck Maradona doesn't call Higuain to the team, he has been Real Madrid's best player the last three seasons and he never had a chance.

[Brazil]

I don't know why the fuck Maradona doesn't call Higuain to the team, he has been Real Madrid's best player the last three seasons and he never had a chance.

Wtf ? Higuain has been real madrid's best player ?? are you on crack or something ?

He will play for France anyway, we were not sure but with Maradona now it's almost done... well Domenech is maybe worst than Maradona ! Maradona 2 domenech 0

[velik_m]

I don't know why the fuck Maradona doesn't call Higuain to the team, he has been Real Madrid's best player the last three seasons and he never had a chance.

:rollin :lmao

[sonic21]

I don't know why the fuck Maradona doesn't call Higuain to the team, he has been Real Madrid's best player the last three seasons and he never had a chance.

:wow

he had 1 good season last year and casillas, diarra... were better than him.

[DAF86]

Wtf ? Higuain has been real madrid's best player ?? are you on crack or something ?

He will play for France anyway, we were not sure but with Maradona now it's almost done... well Domenech is maybe worst than Maradona ! Maradona 2 domenech 0

If he wasn't RM's best player who was? I'm talking field player so no Casillas doesn't count.

And no he will not play for France, he has already said that it's Argentina or nothing for him. That's why he isn't playing for France right now. Domenech call him to play a friendly match and Higuain rejected him.

[DAF86]

:rollin :lmao


:wow

he had 1 good season last year and casillas, diarra... were better than him.

If somebody knows spanish go to any Real Madrid's forum and ask what they think about Higuain and his play during the last few seasons.

[MB20]

I don't know why the fuck Maradona doesn't call Higuain to the team, he has been Real Madrid's best player the last three seasons and he never had a chance.

I know Higuain is doing well with Real Madrid.
But he is not exactly a big and strong forward.
I mean, the NT needs a pure scorer ala Bati, Crespo, Palermo, Valdano...
We have plenty of wing forwards who "create" offense, but we need a finisher.
This is just my opinion. We can play with Tevez, Messi ( who reportedly are the starters), and still win.
But I like the "1 outside, 1 inside " type of offensive scheme better.

[Brazil]

If he wasn't RM's best player who was? I'm talking field player so no Casillas doesn't count.

And no he will not play for France, he has already said that it's Argentina or nothing for him. That's why he isn't playing for France right now. Domenech call him to play a friendly match and Higuain rejected him.

so let me see

Sergio Ramos
Cannavaro
Diarra
Raúl
Heinze
Van Nistelrooy

I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of other

For the second part

Mais, dans un article paru sur sofoot.com (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/So_Foot) le 31 (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/31_juillet) juillet (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Juillet_2009) 2009 (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/2009), à la question « Si Maradona continue à t’ignorer, tu penses dire oui à Raymond Domenech et à l’Équipe de France ? » Gonzalo répond[2] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-1) : « C’est gratifiant que Domenech s’intéresse à moi, surtout que l’Équipe de France est une puissance mondiale, et puis il y a Karim Benzema (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Karim_Benzema), un très grand joueur. Donc on ne sait jamais… »

=> basically he said one month ago I'm honored that Domenech is interested but on top of that French NT is a world power and there is Benzema a great player so everything is possible.

[DAF86]

so let me see

Sergio Ramos
Cannavaro
Diarra
Raúl
Heinze
Van Nistelrooy

I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of other

Sorry but I have to laugh at this. Cannavaro, Heinze? They're hated in Madrid.

AS.COM's (one of Spain's most important sports magazines) made a poll this year (where Real Madrid's fans voted) asking who should be the starting forward: Raul or Higuain? and Gonzalo won by a large margin, then they made another one asking who was RM's best player and Higuain came 2nd only behind Casillas. So as you can see is not my opinion, it's what most RM's fans think.


For the second part

Mais, dans un article paru sur sofoot.com (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/So_Foot) le 31 (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/31_juillet) juillet (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Juillet_2009) 2009 (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/2009), à la question « Si Maradona continue à t’ignorer, tu penses dire oui à Raymond Domenech et à l’Équipe de France ? » Gonzalo répond[2] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-1) : « C’est gratifiant que Domenech s’intéresse à moi, surtout que l’Équipe de France est une puissance mondiale, et puis il y a Karim Benzema (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Karim_Benzema), un très grand joueur. Donc on ne sait jamais… »

=> basically he said one month ago I'm honored that Domenech is interested but on top of that French NT is a world power and there is Benzema a great player so everything is possible.

I don't know what that says but here in Argentina Higuain himslef said just a few weeks ago that he never planned to play for France.

[sonic21]

Sorry but I have to laugh at this. Cannavaro, Heinze? They're hated in Madrid.

Since the galactics, madrid's fans hate defenders on principle.


AS.COM's (one of Spain's most important sports magazines) made a poll this year (where Real Madrid's fans voted) asking who should be the starting forward: Raul or Higuain? and Gonzalo won by a large margin, then they made another one asking who was RM's best player and Higuain came 2nd only behind Casillas. So as you can see is not my opinion, it's what most RM's fans think.


You're always talking about real fans (who value more an offensive player), but what about spanish media and other fans opinions?

[DAF86]

Since the galactics, madrid's fans hate defenders on principle.



You're always talking about real fans (who value more an offensive player), but what about spanish media and other fans opinions?

Remember that Casillas won the poll. The Madrid media pretty much says the same as the Madrid fans, after all they're all Real's fans. And why would I consider other team's fans opinions over the opinions of the ones that watch all of Real Madrid's matches?

[Libri]

If somebody knows spanish go to any Real Madrid's forum and ask what they think about Higuain and his play during the last few seasons.

I went over and checked out a Real Madrid forum and the fans currently love el pipita. They are worried that he might leave RM because he might not get enough playing time. They want him instead of Raul, who they consider an obstacle because he is taking away playing time from Higuain.

[Brazil]

I went over and checked out a Real Madrid forum and the fans currently love el pipita. They are worried that he might leave RM because he might not get enough playing time. They want him instead of Raul, who they consider an obstacle because he is taking away playing time from Higuain.

lol Fans always blame the leaders after a bad season and like the young guns now it doesn't mean that Higuain is better than Raul or Rud.

Let's imagine you are the coach who would you take for a Champion League final ? Higuain over Raul or Rud ? :lol

By the way if Higuain was so good they wouldn't have recruited a guy like Benzema. The so called best player last year won't see a lot of minutes this year...

[DAF86]

lol Fans always blame the leaders after a bad season and like the young guns now it doesn't mean that Higuain is better than Raul or Rud.

Let's imagine you are the coach who would you take for a Champion League final ? Higuain over Raul or Rud ? :lol

By the way if Higuain was so good they wouldn't have recruited a guy like Benzema. The so called best player last year won't see a lot of minutes this year...

Raul is an idol in Madrid he can't do no wrong for Real's fans. Fans want Higuain to play instead of Raul 'cause they know that right now the Argentine is the better player. The only reason the Spaniard plays instead of Gonzalo is his name and history in the club.

[Brazil]

Daf we are talking about Raul, he has a HUGE visit card like having the records of goals for the real madrid, for the SNT and for the champion league.
I'd take a 32 years old Raul over a 20 years old Higuain anyday

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yeah, Maradona definitely knows what he's doing...

[MB20]

Yeah, Maradona definitely knows what he's doing...

Players are stupid also.
The D sucks.

End of 1st half: Brazil up 2-0

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Players are stupid also.
The D sucks.

End of 1st half: Brazil up 2-0

Give me a fucking break! see, this is what I'm talking about. When the fuck is it Maradona fault?

and the D doesn't suck, ITS NOT FUCKING THERE!

[MB20]

I'm not saying Maradona isn't fucking up everything.
But the players are also to blame.
Did you see the goals? WTF Heinze in the first one !!!
The second one...a bunch of rebounds that are a lottery.

[Typhoon]

Goal Argentina

[MB20]

I was about to post what a mistake calling Datolo was...

[Libri]

Brazil, 2
Argentina, 1

[Typhoon]

and what a goal, Argentina is playing good soccer, its just the d its fucking horrible, big changes are needed there.

[MB20]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[Typhoon]

lol 3-1

[Typhoon]

The defense is so bad omfg :lol

[MB20]

How is that possible? 2 vs 4 and they score??????

[Libri]

That was to easy for Brazil.

[Typhoon]

How is that possible? 2 vs 4 and they score??????

Bad positioning, slow as fuck defenders.

[Sotongball21]

is diego from juve playing for brazil?

[MB20]

is diego from juve playing for brazil?

No.

[MB20]

We are not balanced now.
We have a lot of offensive players on the field.
I just hope this shit ends soon, or Brazil will score a couple more times.

[MB20]

Adriano in. That guy is scary.

[Sotongball21]

Oh, he should have played. Brazil should be up 5-1 haha! nah.
Brazil has so many talented players that when you choose more than 2 world class players in 1 position.

[Brazil]

Since when Argentina didn't loose an official game in Argentina ? 30 years ?

[Brazil]

Adriano in. That guy is scary.

Adriano ? the guy who play now for Flamengo ?

[MB20]

Adriano ? the guy who play now for Flamengo ?

Yes. That one.

[Brazil]

Yes. That one.

lol scary ? the dude is out his mind he has decided to not live anymore in a lovely house, he returned in his favela. He is training max one day per week every two months.

[Typhoon]

I think other than Javier Zanetti the defense needs to be completely changed, Heinze should fucking retire, he's horrible...

Midfield I never understood why Gago didn't start,with Mascherano and him you have probably the best defensive midfielders there.

Last offense its there but you need a big guy like Batistuta, thats what Argentina really needs, theres two promising players that I think could be good for Argentina if they develop and that is Milton Caraglio and Cristian Fabbiani.

[MB20]

1 minute to go. This game is over.
Now everybody can start bashing Maradona.
Maradona sucks, Maradona is an addict, Maradona blah blah blah

Good night.

[Typhoon]

He is to blame, no doubt... when you lose 3-1 to a team that basically has done nothing offensively there is something really wrong and the fact that Maradona has done nothing to correct it its not encouraging.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

1 minute to go. This game is over.
Now everybody can start bashing Maradona.
Maradona sucks, Maradona is an addict, Maradona blah blah blah

Good night.

blah, blah, blah is all you've been doing with Maradona's nuts in your mouth.

We get it, you wouldn't blame Maradona even if he had run onto the field and scored against us. You're no different than most here.

Every loss we've had since this jackass took over has been chalked up to players not giving enough effort, not having enough heart... It couldn't possible be Maradona's fault.

Maradona doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, period. Of course, no amount of losses is going to convince his nuthuggers of that.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

La realidad del asunto acá es que los Argentinos estamos tan putamente cagados hasta las patas de que se nos caiga otro ídolo que le vamos a aguantar cualquier cosa al muerto de Maradona. Lo bocón, lo ignorante, lo incompetente... cualquier cosa, con tal de no sufrir otra desilusión.

[IronMexican]

Is Argentina in danger of falling out of the top 4? How many points are they ahead of #5?

[Brazil]

^Don't worry Argentina will be in the world cup

[sonic21]

1 minute to go. This game is over.
Now everybody can start bashing Maradona.
Maradona sucks, Maradona is an addict, Maradona blah blah blah

Good night.

that's facts, i don't see what's the problem here. Maradonna was a great player, is not a good example as a person and is a terrible coach.

Of course he's criticized, did you see the level of play of the Argie team? Only Domenech is a worst NT coach.:depressed

[DAF86]

Is Argentina in danger of falling out of the top 4? How many points are they ahead of #5?

Yes, fortunately Ecuador lost yesterday too, so we conserve the 4th spot. But now we have to go to Paraguay, one of the worst possible matches.

[DAF86]

I only saw the first half of the match 'cause I had a party to go and the score didn't encourage me to stay in my house and watch the rest of the game. But from what I saw Argentina played decent, Brazil had just two oportunities and they capitalized, what you're going to do?

The changes I'd make would be:

-Put Carrizo as the goalkeeper, he's by far our best one. He's now playing as a starter in Zaragoza so there's no excuse.

-Heinze needs to go, the guy sucks plain and simple.

-We need to play with a true center-forward, we can't play with two 5 foot nothing guys up there.

-And Maradona get your fucking head out of your ass and give Higuain a call. He's the second best offensive player we've got.

My team would be:


Carrizo

Zanetti Demichellis Otamendi

Rodriguez Veron Mascherano Datolo

Messi Lopez Higuain

[fotan2]

it would be a tragedy if Messi, CRonaldo& Ibrahimovic are not qualified for world cup next year.

[mountainballer]

He will play for France anyway, we were not sure but with Maradona now it's almost done...

didn't Higuain already play a game for the Argentine NT? (as far as I know he did) if yes, he can't play for France any more.

[mountainballer]

I think other than Javier Zanetti the defense needs to be completely changed, Heinze should fucking retire, he's horrible...

Midfield I never understood why Gago didn't start,with Mascherano and him you have probably the best defensive midfielders there.

Last offense its there but you need a big guy like Batistuta, thats what Argentina really needs, theres two promising players that I think could be good for Argentina if they develop and that is Milton Caraglio and Cristian Fabbiani.

just one question to the Argentinians:
I watched a summery of the game and was shocked to see Veron at team Argentina. didn't even know that he is still playing. some years back I thought he was one of the most overrated players in Europe (considering he was transfered for almost 60 million transfer fee to ManU). I really thought he was done, when he left Europe. did he rejuvenate in Argentina and is he good enough for the NT? (especially thinking about the world cup next year and the fact that he will be 35)

[Brazil]

didn't Higuain already play a game for the Argentine NT? (as far as I know he did) if yes, he can't play for France any more.

Yes he did but is wasn't an official one so technically he can choose France if he wants to.

[DAF86]

just one question to the Argentinians:
I watched a summery of the game and was shocked to see Veron at team Argentina. didn't even know that he is still playing. some years back I thought he was one of the most overrated players in Europe (considering he was transfered for almost 60 million transfer fee to ManU). I really thought he was done, when he left Europe. did he rejuvenate in Argentina and is he good enough for the NT? (especially thinking about the world cup next year and the fact that he will be 35)

He was our best player against Brazil. And yes he is playing good enough to play in the NT.

[Phenomanul]

La realidad del asunto acá es que los Argentinos estamos tan putamente cagados hasta las patas de que se nos caiga otro ídolo que le vamos a aguantar cualquier cosa al muerto de Maradona. Lo bocón, lo ignorante, lo incompetente... cualquier cosa, con tal de no sufrir otra desilusión.

That's where Manu completely outclasses Maradona... as good a player as he is... Manu is a far greater person... a real man of the people...

[MB20]

blah, blah, blah is all you've been doing with Maradona's nuts in your mouth.

We get it, you wouldn't blame Maradona even if he had run onto the field and scored against us. You're no different than most here.

Every loss we've had since this jackass took over has been chalked up to players not giving enough effort, not having enough heart... It couldn't possible be Maradona's fault.

Maradona doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, period. Of course, no amount of losses is going to convince his nuthuggers of that.


LOL. Yes, I´m a nuthugger. And you are a hater. Just like everybody else here.
It´s either love him or hate him with Maradona. There´s no point in discussing it.

[MB20]

That's where Manu completely outclasses Maradona... as good a player as he is... Manu is a far greater person... a real man of the people...

Absolutely. Manu has 100000x more class than Maradona.

[MB20]

just one question to the Argentinians:
I watched a summery of the game and was shocked to see Veron at team Argentina. didn't even know that he is still playing. some years back I thought he was one of the most overrated players in Europe (considering he was transfered for almost 60 million transfer fee to ManU). I really thought he was done, when he left Europe. did he rejuvenate in Argentina and is he good enough for the NT? (especially thinking about the world cup next year and the fact that he will be 35)

He is playing really well here.
I think he is playing for something else now.
He used to play for the money. Now he plays for the glory ( he made enough money in Europe), and for the club he loves.
Estudiantes won the Libertadores Cup (the most important tournament of the continent ), with Veron as the leader and best player of the team.

[MB20]

I only saw the first half of the match 'cause I had a party to go and the score didn't encourage me to stay in my house and watch the rest of the game. But from what I saw Argentina played decent, Brazil had just two oportunities and they capitalized, what you're going to do?

The changes I'd make would be:

-Put Carrizo as the goalkeeper, he's by far our best one. He's now playing as a starter in Zaragoza so there's no excuse.

-Heinze needs to go, the guy sucks plain and simple.

-We need to play with a true center-forward, we can't play with two 5 foot nothing guys up there.

-And Maradona get your fucking head out of your ass and give Higuain a call. He's the second best offensive player we've got.

My team would be:


Carrizo

Zanetti Demichellis Otamendi

Rodriguez Veron Mascherano Datolo

Messi Lopez Higuain

I agree with you about the center-forward. I said it before.
But we don´t have any decent one except for maybe Cavenaghi.

Dinosaurs like Fuertes or Palermo are the best we currently have. :bang

[mountainballer]

some more (a bit clueless) questions:
is Cambiasso no longer in the picture? (not mentioned in the whole thread)
Diego Milito? (the guy can score and gives quite a few assits either)
Lucho González?

[MB20]

some more (a bit clueless) questions:
is Cambiasso no longer in the picture? (not mentioned in the whole thread)
Diego Milito? (the guy can score and gives quite a few assits either)
Lucho González?

Cambiasso is not out of the picture, but Mascherano and Gago are in front of him as central midfielders. And we also have Bolatti (you probably don´t know him, but he was one of the best players in the last arg tournament).

Diego Milito played a few minutes against Brazil, but he plays better in Europe than he does with the NT. Slightly above average forward, imo.

Lucho has had his chances, but never made a difference. He is a good player, though. I don´t know why Maradona has not called him. Maxi Rodriguez and Veron are ahead of him in the current roster.

[sonic21]

Lucho is injured i think, is he the one who's playing in france?

[DAF86]

LOL. Yes, I´m a nuthugger. And you are a hater. Just like everybody else here.
It´s either love him or hate him with Maradona. There´s no point in discussing it.

I do not love him nor hate him.

[DAF86]

Lucho is injured i think, is he the one who's playing in france?

I think he is playing in Porto.

[MB20]

Lucho is injured i think, is he the one who's playing in france?

Yes. Playing for Olympique. I didn´t know he was injured.

[MB20]

I think he is playing in Porto.

In Olympique since July 2009.

[Brazil]

Yes. Playing for Olympique. I didn´t know he was injured.


Victime d'une fracture de la clavicule lors de la rencontre contre Saint-Etienne en match de préparation, Lucho Gonzalez a passé, jeudi, un scanner pour voir si celle-ci était suffisamment consolidée. Si le joueur ne fera pas partie du groupe pour défier Monaco, ce vendredi, en match amical, l'évolution de sa blessure est jugée rassurante, selon nos confrères de La Provence. Le joueur devrait normalement découvrir une pelouse de Ligue 1, le 12 septembre prochain, avec le déplacement au Stade Léon-Bollée pour y affronter Le Mans

He has been injured during a preparation game. His injury is healing well, normally he will come back September 12th against Le Mans.

[nkdlunch]

Paraguay 1, Argentina 0

they are almost out of the world cup!!!!

goddam they are pathetic this time around :wow

[Libri]

Maradona said after the game that, no matter what happens, he is going to continue with the team.

[IronMexican]

Paraguay 1, Argentina 0

they are almost out of the world cup!!!!

goddam they are pathetic this time around :wow

Daum.

They would annihilate Costa Rica, though.

[Libri]

Their final two games:

vs Peru
vs Uruguay

If Uruguay wins their next game against Ecuador, then Argentina and Uruguay could end up playing a decisive game for the fifth spot.

Venezuela is also one point behind Argentina but their last games are against Paraguay and Brazil.

It's going to get very interesting in the last two games for the teams between 4 and 7 of the qualifying table.

[velik_m]

Maradona said after the game that, no matter what happens, he is going to continue with the team.

But will the team continue with him? :blah

[fotan2]

three loss in a row. OMG

no way Argentina can go to the world cup with Maradona. perheps, there is a way if he was 20 years younger.

good luck.

[DAF86]

Fortunately we play Peru (they're last in the standings) at home next, if we don't win that game then we don't deserve to qualify.

[Brazil]

Argentina will be in the G4 now for sure they need to let maradona go in his clinic before the world cup.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if argy doesnt make it into wc

then that pretty much sums it up for me regarding messi.....i thought ur the best man, what fkn happen?

[DAF86]

if argy doesnt make it into wc

then that pretty much sums it up for me regarding messi.....i thought ur the best man, what fkn happen?

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/242523/CRISTIANO-RONALDO-is-in-grave-danger-of-missing-out-on-the-World-Cup-finals-after-PORTUGAL-were-held-to-a-0-0-draw-at-home-by-SWEDENThe-World-Player-of-the-Year-was-powerless-to-prevent-Carlos-Queirozrsquos-side-dropping-points-for-the-fourth-consecutive-qualifier-to-leave-them-way-off-the-pace-in-Group-1.html

lol