Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich

[Clutch City 01]

Who's the better Coach?

[KSeal]

10>4

[Muser]

I voted Phil.

Please stop with these threads aswell, they're boring.

[Dex]

I think Pop could do more with less. He's better at unifying his players and getting them into the team concept. And he's been more consistent over the years. People like to forget those years the Lakers were scraping to make the playoffs with Kobe and Crap.

They both have been blessed with good talent, but Phil still has scoreboard.

Dirty bastard.

[Mel_13]

Fabbs

[phyzik]

The homer in me says that Pop is the better coach when it comes to the definition of the word (one who teaches and trains athletes). Pop teaches and gets the most out of what pieces he has. Phil seems to always get already talented players that are a known commodity.

Still, there's no arguing math and yes 10 > 4

[z0sa]

its honestly pretty fuckin equal, other than rings of course ... but with coaches, rings are a little less important, especially when you start winning 3+ because that's about all you need to prove you are a great coach. Contrary to popular belief, doing what PJ has done is fucking incredible, MJ/Pippen/Kobe/Shaq or not. Dealing with that many different personalities and making it work perfectly has a whole shitload to do with his coaching abilities. But that said, from a cumulative standpoint, he's probably had the most talent of any coach this league ever saw.

So it's true Phil Jackson will always be the better handler of personnel. The Spurs FO never goes with medium risk high reward characters with chemistry issues over less risky options because of Pop's hardnosed style of coaching, for example, while you could say pretty much the opposite about Phil's methodology. Yet when it comes to x's and o's and utilizing players effectively especially on the defensive end, Pop is one of the all-time best.

Phil has the edge. But its real close.

[Mel_13]

Phil has scoreboard, overall and head to head.

[anonoftheinternets]

dude give it some time, dont bombard us with these hackneyed polls.

[SonOfAGun]

Pop blows when up against the Lakers.

Gotta give it to Phil.

[mytespurs]

This thread is a no-brainer. Phil Jackson is the obvious choice. 10 is greater than 4. But as a Spurs fan, I will say the fact that Phil has more championships doesn't diminish Pop's accomplishments. You could not go wrong with either candidate imho. :)

[Spursfan092120]

As much as I hate to say it, It's Colonel Sanders.

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Phil

3 three peats > every other year

[Culburn369]

+ Hell, DUNCAN could coach Duncan & Manu.

[spursfan1000]

Id say their about equal, they both had great players, Phil had Lebron and MJ the best 2 players every and Popovich had D-rob and Tim Duncan.

[Culburn369]

What hurts Pop is he is afraid of Jackson and is in awe of the man. That is the way he decided to play it from the start and I'll give him credit,,,he's never double-backed and deceived himself. He's played the string out all the way down the line.

[anakha]

Phil had Lebron and MJ

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[Zee Laker]

The two best coaches in the NBA. You couldnt go wrong with either one.

[Culburn369]

The two best coaches in the NBA. You couldnt go wrong with either one.


Pop is a one trick pony though. I want to see him coach without Duncan.

Phil has in essence coached three entirely different entitys to NBA Championships.

[Culburn369]

Though on retrospect I can't recall either coach ever being pressed near elimination in their Finals coaching careers. Phil had a slight scare in '93, and Pop had something of a scare Vs. Detroit, but nothing of any fright or consequence comes to the fore.

[dbreiden83080]

10>4

Yeah poor Pop didn't get to Nut-Hug off Michael Jordan..

[Culburn369]

Yeah poor Pop didn't get to Nut-Hug off Michael Jordan..

True. Pop has kept his Nut-Hugging exclusively off Tim Duncan.

[dbreiden83080]

True. Pop has kept his Nut-Hugging exclusively off Tim Duncan.

And Phil has nut-Hugged more Hall of Famers than anyone...

[mytespurs]

Pop is a one trick pony though. I want to see him coach without Duncan.

Phil has in essence coached three entirely different entitys to NBA Championships.

Pop has accomplished the ultimate goal and that is win championships...multiple championships. What more does he need to do than that? He's already one of the most respected coaches in the NBA.

I don't know that many coaches have accomplished which Phil has thus far....that's why he's viewed as the best coach in professional sports.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Remind me, how many small market teams has Phil coached? I don't think he's ever had to worry about building a team with limited budget. Plus the only fucking reason the Lakers are champions right now is because of the Gasol trade. It wasn't some miracle playbook by PJ.

I give the nod to Pop, scoreboard be damned.

[carrao45]

I think Pop could do more with less. He's better at unifying his players and getting them into the team concept. And he's been more consistent over the years. People like to forget those years the Lakers were scraping to make the playoffs with Kobe and Crap.

They both have been blessed with good talent, but Phil still has scoreboard.

Dirty bastard.

You make it seem like that was PJax's fault. I'd like to see Pop take that team any farther than Phil did

[carrao45]

its honestly pretty fuckin equal, other than rings of course ... but with coaches, rings are a little less important, especially when you start winning 3+ because that's about all you need to prove you are a great coach. Contrary to popular belief, doing what PJ has done is fucking incredible, MJ/Pippen/Kobe/Shaq or not. Dealing with that many different personalities and making it work perfectly has a whole shitload to do with his coaching abilities. But that said, from a cumulative standpoint, he's probably had the most talent of any coach this league ever saw.

So it's true Phil Jackson will always be the better handler of personnel. The Spurs FO never goes with medium risk high reward characters with chemistry issues over less risky options because of Pop's hardnosed style of coaching, for example, while you could say pretty much the opposite about Phil's methodology. Yet when it comes to x's and o's and utilizing players effectively especially on the defensive end, Pop is one of the all-time best.

Phil has the edge. But its real close.

3+ is an arbitrary number you came up with. If pop had one less ring, you'd have said 2+. Just sayin

[scanry]

Phil hands down....

BTW Phil (sitting in an orthopedic chair) intimidates the hell out of Pop from the sidelines. :lol

[Ditty]

imagine i these two were coaches together

the master of the offense and the master of the defense

but give pop jordan and pippen and shaq and kobe and i bet he wins 10 championships himself

but got to give a slite edge to the zenmaster just because he has more championships but we havent seen pop really coach without talent and we saw phil lead his medicore laker team to a 7th seed in 2 seasons, and the spurs were pretty much aboive medicore this year and they were riding the 2nd seed pretty much the whole season but right now its phil jackson head to head because he leads pop 4-1 against each other in the playoffs

[TheMACHINE]

if phil coached the spurs...they'd win 3 in a row.

[Culburn369]

if phil coached the spurs...they'd win 3 in a row.

Or, for heaven's sakes:back-to-back.

[DrHouse]

The fact that Pop has never won a back to back or even made back to back Finals basically removes him from the discussion IMHO.

[polysylab1k]

The fact that Pop has never won a back to back or even made back to back Finals basically removes him from the discussion IMHO.
Pop has never got a hand of cards including Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, or the combo of Shaquill O'Neal and Kobe Bryant.

[Culburn369]

The fact that Pop has never won a back to back or even made back to back Finals basically removes him from the discussion IMHO.

As per usual: The good Dr with the voice of sound reason.

[Texas_Ranger]

The fact that Pop has never won a back to back or even made back to back Finals basically removes him from the discussion IMHO.

The fact that you are stupid basically removes your opinion.

[Fabbs]

its honestly pretty fuckin equal, other than rings of course ...
other then the 4-1 series record head to head, it's pretty equal. :lol


The Spurs FO never goes with medium risk high reward characters with chemistry issues over less risky options because of Pop's brownnosed style of coaching,

fixed

[Culburn369]

Christ, puttin' Pop under a microscope like this ain't worked out real well for Spurs Fandom.

Shoulda left him under that rock where he was.

jejejeje!!!

[Dunc n Dave]

As per usual: The good Dr with the voice of sound reason.

As per usual: Cul, slobbin the "good doctor's" knob every chance he gets...

[Dunc n Dave]

Pop has never had the luxury of having 2 1st Team All-NBA players on his teams like Phil has with the Bulls and the early 2000's Lakers. When you have 2 of the top 5 players on the same team, you will always have the upper hand.

This last championship would have been Phil's most impressive IMO had it not been for all the unfortunate injuries the other teams were faced with (Orlando losing Nelson, Celtics without KG, Rockets losing Yao, Utah with injuries ALL YEAR, Spurs with no Manu, Dallas with a gimpy Josh Howard)

Still, the Lakers won it all fair and square with the hand that was dealt them and they get all the glory that comes with that, but Phil has yet to knock off a dominant team at full strength without having at least 2 of the Top 5 guys in the league together. Pop finished off a healthy Pistons team, something Phil couldn't do EVEN with a STACKED team of Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton.

10>4 obviously, but 2 of 5 of the best players is better than 1 of 5 of the best players. Put Kobe or a 90's Jordan on the Spurs this year (say the Spurs swapped Manu for them)and the Spurs win the next 3 titles letting Duncan (even a slightly past his prime Duncan) and Pop retire with 7 rings.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Anyone who doesn't say Phil is better (let alone the best) is a fucking retard of epic proportions.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

Phil Jackson is the G.O.A.T. plain and simple, not even red auerbach can top that. no arguements here

[carrao45]

Pop has never had the luxury of having 2 1st Team All-NBA players on his teams like Phil has with the Bulls and the early 2000's Lakers. When you have 2 of the top 5 players on the same team, you will always have the upper hand.

This last championship would have been Phil's most impressive IMO had it not been for all the unfortunate injuries the other teams were faced with (Orlando losing Nelson, Celtics without KG, Rockets losing Yao, Utah with injuries ALL YEAR, Spurs with no Manu, Dallas with a gimpy Josh Howard)

Still, the Lakers won it all fair and square with the hand that was dealt them and they get all the glory that comes with that, but Phil has yet to knock off a dominant team at full strength without having at least 2 of the Top 5 guys in the league together. Pop finished off a healthy Pistons team, something Phil couldn't do EVEN with a STACKED team of Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton.

10>4 obviously, but 2 of 5 of the best players is better than 1 of 5 of the best players. Put Kobe or a 90's Jordan on the Spurs this year (say the Spurs swapped Manu for them)and the Spurs win the next 3 titles letting Duncan (even a slightly past his prime Duncan) and Pop retire with 7 rings.

First you belittle the championship by complaining about injuries, then try and make it seem like you're not a whiney bitch by saying they won it fair and square. It's quite obvious you think they only won because of injuries, which makes you stupid. The Lakers were clearly the best team in the NBA last season. it was obvious.



And Malone was injured in those finals. As was Horace Grant. This means that the Lakers had to start Slava Medvedenko. Slava isnn't gonna get it done in the Finals. So considering Malone was injured and not playing, it isn't fair for to say Malone as part of the stacked team. It was more like: Kobe Shaq Payton and Slava

[Culburn369]

As per usual: Cul, slobbin the "good doctor's" knob every chance he gets...

Hey, Dunc!!!!!!!!!! Where the Hell have ya been, youngster?

[jack sommerset]

I cannot wait for the season to start.....Yet another who is the better coach poll. Atleast change the coaches from time to time.

:vomit:

[BeeGee]

Pop has never had the luxury of having 2 1st Team All-NBA players on his teams like Phil has with the Bulls and the early 2000's Lakers. When you have 2 of the top 5 players on the same team, you will always have the upper hand.

This last championship would have been Phil's most impressive IMO had it not been for all the unfortunate injuries the other teams were faced with (Orlando losing Nelson, Celtics without KG, Rockets losing Yao, Utah with injuries ALL YEAR, Spurs with no Manu, Dallas with a gimpy Josh Howard)

Still, the Lakers won it all fair and square with the hand that was dealt them and they get all the glory that comes with that, but Phil has yet to knock off a dominant team at full strength without having at least 2 of the Top 5 guys in the league together. Pop finished off a healthy Pistons team, something Phil couldn't do EVEN with a STACKED team of Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton.

10>4 obviously, but 2 of 5 of the best players is better than 1 of 5 of the best players. Put Kobe or a 90's Jordan on the Spurs this year (say the Spurs swapped Manu for them)and the Spurs win the next 3 titles letting Duncan (even a slightly past his prime Duncan) and Pop retire with 7 rings.Dude, were it not for Ben Wallace and the NBA's bias towards big men when it comes to Defensive Player of the Year, Bruce Bowen would have 3 or more DPOY awards. On a Spurs team that cashes it's checks with defense, having Bruce Bowen alongside Tim Duncan is as potent as any 1-2 punch in the league.

Nice try though, but the Spurs had a perennial mvp candidate and a perennial DPOY candidate playing side by side for years.

Bottom line is Phil wins this REGARDLESS of how you try and spin it. Typical Spurs fan response to completely ignore that Bruce Bowen was a defensive superstar, and in many ways was the backbone of the Spurs defense...for years.

Pretty sad.

[TD4THREE]

Phil wins by default because of his championships but don't forget that he's also had a longer coaching career than Pop. Also I think Pop has had to develope and acquire more talent in order to win his championships than PJ.

[spursfan1000]

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4230/erniebertwtf.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/erniebertwtf.jpg/)

Lmao my bad I meant to put Kobe and MJ.

[Fabbs]

Pop has never got a hand of cards ........ or the combo of Shaquill O'Neal and Kobe Bryant.
He had Duncan and Ginobili who are better then Snaq and Kobme.
At the very least equal.
2003 proof
2004 a flukey last second shot the only thing stopping a 2-0 sweep by Dunkar/Ginobili

[anakha]

He had Duncan and Ginobili who are better then Snaq and Kobme.
At the very least equal.



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[Texas_Ranger]

He had Duncan and Ginobili who are better then Snaq and Kobme.
At the very least equal.
2003 proof
2004 a flukey last second shot the only thing stopping a 2-0 sweep by Dunkar/Ginobili

yea. Manu was a real superstar back in 03 and 04.

[scanry]

Dude, were it not for Ben Wallace and the NBA's bias towards big men when it comes to Defensive Player of the Year, Bruce Bowen would have 3 or more DPOY awards. On a Spurs team that cashes it's checks with defense, having Bruce Bowen alongside Tim Duncan is as potent as any 1-2 punch in the league.

Nice try though, but the Spurs had a perennial mvp candidate and a perennial DPOY candidate playing side by side for years.

Bottom line is Phil wins this REGARDLESS of how you try and spin it. Typical Spurs fan response to completely ignore that Bruce Bowen was a defensive superstar, and in many ways was the backbone of the Spurs defense...for years.

Pretty sad.

I kind've agree with what you're saying, but Bruce wasn't that effective in Boston or Miami. Bruce needed a very effective post defender like Duncan (and vice-versa) to be effective.

However other NBA teams (and some Spurs fans) under appreciate Bruce. I'll say this, Spurs would have 3 less championships without this man.

[jacobdrj]

Before 2006, I would have said they are fairly close. They both have their strengths: Pop seemed more capable of building a team and wasn't awful in clutch situations, whereas Phil had already cemented himself as the best crunch time coach I had seen, perhaps with 2 exceptions. But I would have given the edge to Phil Jackson simply because I value crunch time decisions more than I value the ability to build a team at the NBA level.

However, after 2006, when it became apparent that he was the difference between the Lakers making the playoffs and not from 05 to 06, and the fact that he also built this championship Lakers' team from that crappy 2005 squad as a starting point, there is no doubt that Phil is the overall better coach.

[Fabbs]

yea. Manu was a real superstar back in 03 and 04.
Yeah, Kobme was a real superstar back in 03 and 04.

Snaq just camped in the lane and waited for the refs service him as he bowled over completely set defenders. When the Detroit series refs called it fairly he was done. Well that and Kobme jacking up every brick he could think of.

Spurstrodamus
Solid point about the Gasol trade, but let's not forget Popovich got Duncan. Popovich was also obliterated by a rookie head coach(who is no longer employed) when he had the best team in the league in 2006.
You mean Phil J would not fail with the best roster and vs a rookie coach? :lol
+1

[TheMACHINE]

Pop has never got a hand of cards including Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, or the combo of Shaquill O'Neal and Kobe Bryant.

and Duncan, Robinson, Manu and Parker are crap?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yeah poor Pop didn't get to Nut-Hug off Michael Jordan..


MJ wasn't winning shit before Phil showed up.

Some think Phil is overrated, I personally think he doesn't get enough credit. The triangle offense allows SG's to be the best they can be, and a team running the triangle never has to worry about becoming a team where the PG dominates the ball and does everything. Yeah, MJ was great and Kobe and Shaq are great, but Kobe and Shaq needed Phil to get over the hump, as did MJ.

[urunobili]

100% Finals winning percentage :wakeup

[TheMACHINE]

100% Finals winning percentage :wakeup

gratz?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

100% Finals winning percentage :wakeup

Making the finals and losing > not making the finals at all

Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise is dumb.

[Dunc n Dave]

Hey, Dunc!!!!!!!!!! Where the Hell have ya been, youngster?

Back to work... teachin the younger "youngsters" a little U.S. History. I'll make my appearances in the evenings. I know it breaks your heart...

[Culburn369]

Making the finals and losing > not making the finals at all

Making the finals is just the mandatory means to the end.

Nothing more.

[Dunc n Dave]

First you belittle the championship by complaining about injuries, then try and make it seem like you're not a whiney bitch by saying they won it fair and square. It's quite obvious you think they only won because of injuries, which makes you stupid. The Lakers were clearly the best team in the NBA last season. it was obvious.



And Malone was injured in those finals. As was Horace Grant. This means that the Lakers had to start Slava Medvedenko. Slava isnn't gonna get it done in the Finals. So considering Malone was injured and not playing, it isn't fair for to say Malone as part of the stacked team. It was more like: Kobe Shaq Payton and Slava

:lolYou go off when I bring up injuries and then in the next paragraph bitch about injuries in 2004 yourself? Who's the whiney bitch now? Guess that means "it's quite obvious you think they (the Pistons) won because of injuries, which makes you stupid" too.

I never said the Lakers weren't the best team last year. Although they never got to prove it against the other top teams at full strength. The point was I would have been most impressed with the job PJax did this year, more so than the Bulls or three-peat Lakers had it not been for an easier road to the championship due to key injuries. It's not their fault though. The Spurs have won it all when other teams have suffered injuries as well (see 2003 Dirk injury).

This was the first time Phil had a team with ONE dominant player win a championship. Gasol is good, but only a Laker homer would argue he's the best player at his position like Shaq and Kobe were in the early 2000's. Had he won it vs a healthy Boston or Cleveland, there would be no arguement that Phil is the GOAT, despite his CONSTANT bitching to the media about the refs to compensate for his players inability to play through the bad calls.

Right now, until he proves otherwise, Phil obviously has the most championships, but he also has always had 2 first team ALL-NBA players (the best at their positions) or multiple injuries to the best teams help him to those 10 rings.

Give Pop a Kobe or an MJ to go with Duncan and he wins the next 3 championships, guaranteed. 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA can turn any good coach into a GREAT coach.

[Dunc n Dave]

Dude, were it not for Ben Wallace and the NBA's bias towards big men when it comes to Defensive Player of the Year, Bruce Bowen would have 3 or more DPOY awards. On a Spurs team that cashes it's checks with defense, having Bruce Bowen alongside Tim Duncan is as potent as any 1-2 punch in the league.

Nice try though, but the Spurs had a perennial mvp candidate and a perennial DPOY candidate playing side by side for years.

Bottom line is Phil wins this REGARDLESS of how you try and spin it. Typical Spurs fan response to completely ignore that Bruce Bowen was a defensive superstar, and in many ways was the backbone of the Spurs defense...for years.

Pretty sad.

Bowen was a great wing defender. but was a liability of the offensive end. You can't SERIOUSLY try to compare a Duncan/Bowen combo to a early 2000's Shaq/Kobe combo! Shaq and Kobe were the most unstoppable scorers at their positions AND were at least Top 10 defenders at their position during those years. Same for MJ and Pippen.

Bowen has never been EVEN close to being the best player at his position. Look at Kobe's numbers vs Bowen. It's not like Bowen held Kobe under 20ppg, he just forced him to take more shots to get his numbers. Not even the BEST defender can completely SHUT DOWN an elite scorer like Kobe or Shaq circa 2000. As you said, nice try though...

I'd EASILY trade a Duncan/Bowen combo for a Duncan/Kobe or Duncan/MJ combo ANY DAY. Hell, I'd even take a Duncan/Pippen combo over Duncan/Bowen.

[Dunc n Dave]

He had Duncan and Ginobili who are better then Snaq and Kobme.
At the very least equal.
2003 proof
2004 a flukey last second shot the only thing stopping a 2-0 sweep by Dunkar/Ginobili

:rollin:rollin:rollin

Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Manu

Manu has been 3rd Team All NBA ONCE. Do I even need to mention Kobe's resume?

[Fabbs]

:rollin:rollin:rollin

Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Manu

Manu has been 3rd Team All NBA ONCE. Do I even need to mention Kobe's resume?
3 titles each as sidekick.
2 Finals losses for Kombe as sidekick, one with Snaq and one with Gasol.
1 Finals win vs the weakassed Orlando Lakers who gave so much help to Kobme it was sickening. Kobme sucked with the game on the line in 3 of those finals games. Bailed out.

Yeah, playoffwise GNob has been the equal of Kobme.
Throw out his 2006 brain fart and he'd be superior.

[KSeal]

3 titles each as sidekick.
2 Finals losses for Kombe as sidekick, one with Snaq and one with Gasol.
1 Finals win vs the weakassed Orlando Lakers who gave so much help to Kobme it was sickening. Kobme sucked with the game on the line in 3 of those finals games. Bailed out.

Yeah, playoffwise GNob has been the equal of Kobme.
Throw out his 2006 brain fart and he'd be superior.

The Spurs played the weakest finals team ever in 2007. You're just spewing out a bunch of bullshit, stop.

[Goran Dragic]

3 titles each as sidekick.
2 Finals losses for Kombe as sidekick, one with Snaq and one with Gasol.
1 Finals win vs the weakassed Orlando Lakers who gave so much help to Kobme it was sickening. Kobme sucked with the game on the line in 3 of those finals games. Bailed out.

Yeah, playoffwise GNob has been the equal of Kobme.
Throw out his 2006 brain fart and he'd be superior.


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Are you seriously trying to say Manu = Kobe in the playoffs?

[Goran Dragic]

He had Duncan and Ginobili who are better then Snaq and Kobme.
At the very least equal.
2003 proof


You must have not watched the Spurs in 2003 if you think Manu was Duncan's sidekick that year.

[Fabbs]

The Spurs played the weakest finals team ever in 2007. You're just spewing owning me, stop.
2002s New Jersey Lakers might also be the weakest Finals team ever.
Lakers assistant coach Byron Scott making sure of that.

'Course then there is the way Kobme got to the 2002 *finals*, hitting Bibby in the jaw with a pussy cheap shot and having the networks make sure the foul call was on Bibby. One of but so many calls made sure to sway the series to the Laker$. :wakeup

Go suck your Kobme doll.

GNob has done what he's done in the playoffs all with Sir Baffoon as coach vs Phil Jackson. Makes GNobs playoff performances all the more impressive.

[Hornets1]

Apples and Oranges. I like Pop's personality a lot more, so I voted Pop.

[Fabbs]

Apples and Oranges. I like Pop's personality a lot more, so I voted Pop.
and there you have it, Poop taking the lead 39-38. :lol

I'm surprised it took this long for Pop to take the lead on SpursTalk. :toast

[sprrs]

The fact that Pop has never won a back to back or even made back to back Finals basically removes him from the discussion IMHO.

I'll take not having a back-to-back if it means consistently being in the title chase for 10 years and counting.

Four championships and being great for 10+ years >>>> Back-to-back and being great for two years.

[Culburn369]

I'll take not having a back-to-back if

Sweetheart, you got no other choicePERIOD

[sabar]

He had Duncan and Ginobili who are better then Snaq and Kobme.

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/61fps/2009/01/facepalm.jpg

[elbamba]

Larry Brown--he takes crappy teams and puts them in the playoffs. Phil nor Pop could win in some of the places Brown has been. Plus he won an NCAA title.

MJ and Pipen to Kobe and Shaq to Kobe and Gasol. Phil could not win when he just had Kobe, Phil cannot put teams together, he needs to rely on the big markets. When Phil goes to New Orleans and wins a championship or Utah and wins a championship, then I will be impressed.

Pop while winning in a small market got lucky that Duncan fell into his lap. However, the Spurs were much more impressive in finding talent like Manu and Tony, but I give that up to a solid scouting team.

When was the last time LA drafted a player that mattered? Please don't say Bynum.

I'd still take Brown over both of them...his only flaw is that he will be gone in a year.

[TheMACHINE]

Larry Brown--he takes crappy teams and puts them in the playoffs. Phil nor Pop could win in some of the places Brown has been. Plus he won an NCAA title.

MJ and Pipen to Kobe and Shaq to Kobe and Gasol. Phil could not win when he just had Kobe, Phil cannot put teams together, he needs to rely on the big markets. When Phil goes to New Orleans and wins a championship or Utah and wins a championship, then I will be impressed.

Pop while winning in a small market got lucky that Duncan fell into his lap. However, the Spurs were much more impressive in finding talent like Manu and Tony, but I give that up to a solid scouting team.

When was the last time LA drafted a player that mattered? Please don't say Bynum.

I'd still take Brown over both of them...his only flaw is that he will be gone in a year.

The coach has to put teams together? I guess no need for GM's then. Also..i guess its "lucky" to tank a season and get Duncan.

Your post has alot of FAIL.

[resistanze]

Any person that can make popcorn chicken is OK with me.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The coach has to put teams together?


He's saying that Larry Brown played a very large role in building the team from the ground up, and that Jackson took over teams that were already good, unfortunately the team Larry Brown won a trophy with, he didn't build from the ground up, he took over after they won 50 games and made the conference finals.

So IMO the "He built a championship team from the ground up, Jackson never did" argument would fly, except he didn't build that team from the ground up, he did exactly what the poster is criticizing Jackson for, he took over a team that was already good.