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08-24-2009, 08:17 AM
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Where they sit after summer

By John Schuhmann, NBA.com
Posted Aug 17 2009 3:46PM

NBA rosters are not quite finalized for the 2009-10 season, and there are still guys like David Lee, Ramon Sessions and Raymond Felton out on the market.

But this is the time when coaches and general managers start to take their vacations, with most of their summer work completed. That makes it time to take a trip around the league and rank all 30 teams as they stand in the middle of August.

This has been a summer where the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer, with trades and free agency creating an even darker line between the haves and have-nots of the league.

As we look at it, there seems to be lines of delineation after the top five, the top 13 and the top 19. Those lines may or may not become blurred come November. There will be a team or two that will surprise, and a team or two that disappoint.

Unfortunately, there are still 71 days before the season begins, so we'll have to wait until teams can prove us right or wrong.

• Final Power Rankings of 2008-09: Still Much to be Determined

Hyperizin' Team of the Summer: Washington (+19)
Criticizin' Team of the Summer: Houston (-10)

Pace: Possessions per 48 minutes (League Rank)
Off: Points scored per 100 possessions (League Rank)
Def: Points allowed per 100 possessions (League Rank)
The league averages last season were 90.4 possessions (per team) per 48 minutes and 109.8 points scored per 100 possessions.

Last year's rankings were based on the following criteria:
1. Postseason results (how far a team made it in the Playoffs)
2. Regular season record
3. Record after the All-Star break.

NBA.com's Power Rankings are just one man's opinion and are released every Monday during the season. If you've got an issue with the rankings, or have a question or comment for John Schuhmann, send him an e-mail. You can also follow him on twitter.

TEAM (LAST SEASON) REC. BREAKDOWN
1 L.A. Lakers (1) 65-17 Pace: 93.1 (6), Off: 114.3 (3), Def: 106.1 (5)
Either you think the Artest-for-Ariza swap was a big upgrade for the Lakers, or you think the True Warier will become a major distraction and ruin the champs' chemistry. Either way, you know it's going to be an interesting season in L.A. For now, they're at the top.

2 Cleveland (3) 66-16 Pace: 87.6 (25), Off: 113.9 (4), Def: 103.8 (2)
It will be difficult for the Cavs to match last season's win total, but they've added Shaq and Anthony Parker without losing anybody of significance. LeBron James will be well-rested and more motivated, but can Mo Williams show up in the Playoffs this time?

3 Orlando (2) 59-23 Pace: 90.8 (12), Off: 111.0 (9), Def: 103.6 (1)
Otis Smith tinkered with what was a winning formula and went way over the luxury tax to do so. The Magic are deep in talent and have a little more versatility with the additions of forwards Matt Barnes and Brandon Bass, but the Cavs and Celtics got better too.

4 San Antonio (10) 54-28 Pace: 86.8 (27), Off: 110.6 (12), Def: 106.3 (6)
Richard Jefferson is not only a major upgrade at the three, but with an ever-improving catch-and-shoot jumper, he seems to be a perfect fit with the Spurs. If they keep Manu Ginobili healthy and Tim Duncan fresh, put the Spurs right there with L.A.

5 Boston (5) 62-20 Pace: 89.0 (18), Off: 112.2 (6), Def: 103.9 (3)
The addition of Rasheed Wallace makes the Celtics' frontline more intimidating than it already was. But more important to their quest for another title are the health of Kevin Garnett and the psyche of Rajon Rondo. You have to wonder about both.

6 Dallas (7) 50-32 Pace: 90.1 (16), Off: 112.2 (5), Def: 110.0 (18)
With a swap of Brandon Bass and Antoine Wright for Shawn Marion, the Mavs are still a step below the Lakers and Spurs. But Ron Artest's behavior and Manu Ginobili's ankles are forever fragile, so third in the West ain't a bad spot to be in.

7 Denver (4) 54-28 Pace: 93.1 (5), Off: 111.8 (7), Def: 108.1 (8)
Arron Afflalo was an underrated pickup, but the Nuggets lost some key depth with the departures of Dahntay Jones and Linas Kleiza. Did they have the ability to improve on last season anyway, or was '08-09 the perfect storm for Denver?

8 Portland (9) 54-28 Pace: 85.7 (29), Off: 115.2 (2), Def: 109.0 (11)
Andre Miller is an upgrade at the point, but the Portland offense was already very efficient. In order to take the next step they need to improve defensively. So if Greg Oden can stay healthy and out of foul trouble, they're in great shape.

9 Washington (28) 19-63 Pace: 89.7 (17), Off: 107.0 (26), Def: 115.3 (29)
With Gilbert Arenas looking spry in workouts and pro-am action and added depth with Randy Foye and Mike Miller, the Wizards should be the fourth best team in the East. But they're lacking beef on the frontline, which will really hurt them against the top three.

10 Utah (12) 48-34 Pace: 91.8 (10), Off: 111.7 (8), Def: 108.9 (10)
The Carlos Boozer situation clouds Utah's outlook for the coming season. Will the Jazz trade him? If not, can Boozer and his teammates possibly pretend like nothing happened and make the best out of what is certainly his final season in Utah?

TEAM (LAST WEEK) REC. BREAKDOWN
11 New Orleans (11) 49-33 Pace: 86.4 (28), Off: 110.4 (13), Def: 108.6 (9)
Does swapping Tyson Chandler for Emeka Okafor make the Hornets a better team? Not necessarily. And trading Rasual Butler for nothing certainly doesn't. When the Hornets won 56 games two years ago, who knew their window of opportunity would close so quickly?

12 Atlanta (8) 47-35 Pace: 88.4 (24), Off: 110.9 (11), Def: 109.1 (13)
The additions of Jamal Crawford and Joe Smith give the Hawks added depth, but they still lack leadership and cohesion. With other teams in the East making bolder moves, Atlanta's four-year run of winning more games than the year before is probably over.

13 Toronto (22) 33-49 Pace: 90.7 (14), Off: 108.5 (22), Def: 111.6 (22)
Bryan Colangelo was aggressive and inventive in overhauling the Raptors' roster and Hedo Turkoglu fills a big need for a playmaker on the wing. This certainly looks like a playoff team again, but the defensive end of the floor will keep them from competing with the best in the East.

14 Chicago (14) 41-41 Pace: 92.0 (9), Off: 109.7 (18), Def: 110.0 (17)
Can a team improve after losing its leading scorer and adding only a couple of non-lottery picks? They can if they have Derrick Rose with a year of experience and Luol Deng, who can make them a tough defensive team again, coming back from injury.

15 Phoenix (17) 46-36 Pace: 94.5 (4), Off: 115.4 (1), Def: 113.4 (27)
How does the most efficient offense in the league miss the Playoffs? With a horrible defense, of course. Does a healthy Amar'e Stoudemire make the Suns a better defensive squad? Not really. This team needs a personality makeover to get the job done.

16 Houston (6) 53-29 Pace: 89.0 (19), Off: 109.9 (15), Def: 105.5 (4)
Signing David Anderson will help cushion the blow of losing Yao Ming for the season, but not enough. The Rockets can use this year (and perhaps Tracy McGrady's expiring contract) to strengthen Yao's supporting cast while he strengthens his body.

17 Detroit (16) 39-43 Pace: 85.5 (30), Off: 108.9 (21), Def: 109.5 (16)
Joe Dumars spent money and brought in talent, but was the money spent wisely? It remains to be seen if John Kuester can make a team out of the roster, if Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva can play some defense, or if the talent will mesh.

18 Philadelphia (15) 41-41 Pace: 88.9 (20), Off: 109.1 (20), Def: 109.1 (12)
Lou Williams isn't a point guard and Jrue Holiday probably isn't ready, so the Sixers will really feel the absence of Andre Miller. Andre Iguodala can take more of the playmaking burden on his shoulders, but we still don't know if he and Elton Brand can play together.

19 Miami (13) 43-39 Pace: 88.6 (23), Off: 109.4 (19), Def: 109.1 (14)
The Heat have done nothing to alleviate the burden on Dwyane Wade, and it's hard to imagine him having a better season than he did last year. So Erik Spoelstra has to hope that the light in Michael Beasley's head went on this summer.

20 Oklahoma City (27) 23-59 Pace: 92.3 (8), Off: 104.5 (29), Def: 111.0 (20)
Kevin Durant is ready to blow up and James Harden is a good fit. But the biggest key for the Thunder in the next two seasons will be the maturation and decision-making of Russell Westbrook, who has the talent, but needs to slow it down a bit.

TEAM (LAST WEEK) REC. BREAKDOWN
21 L.A. Clippers (29) 19-63 Pace: 90.8 (13), Off: 103.7 (30), Def: 113.3 (26)
Blake Griffin looks like the real deal, trading Zach Randolph is addition by subtraction, Rasual Butler gives the Clippers some needed shooting, and they can't be any worse than last year, right? Let's see how Baron Davis and Mike Dunleavy get along any better.

22 Charlotte (19) 35-47 Pace: 87.2 (26), Off: 106.0 (27), Def: 107.5 (7)
The Bobcats went from the 23rd best defense in '07-08 to the seventh best last season, telling you how much of an impact Larry Brown had. Now, the question is: How do they improve offensively? Tyson Chandler isn't going to help much on that end.

23 Indiana (18) 36-46 Pace: 95.0 (3), Off: 109.8 (17), Def: 111.0 (19)
The Pacers added some solid role players in Dahntay Jones, Tyler Hansbrough and Earl Watson, but with Mike Dunleavy out for the start of the season, are they any better than they were a year ago? Not if Washington and Toronto make the East stronger overall.

24 Golden State (24) 29-53 Pace: 96.9 (1), Off: 110.9 (10), Def: 114.8 (28)
Was Anthony Randolph's performance in Las Vegas the preview of a breakout season, or was it just another Summer League apparition. Until we see what Randolph does against real competition, this team is tough to figure out (but still fun to watch).

25 Milwaukee (21) 34-48 Pace: 91.4 (11), Off: 108.1 (23), Def: 109.3 (15)
If the Bucks were healthy last season, they would have been a solid squad. But now, Richard Jefferson and Charlie Villanueva are gone, and they're left with a strange mix of the past (Michael Redd), the present (Andrew Bogut) and the future (Brandon Jennings).

26 New Jersey (20) 34-48 Pace: 88.6 (22), Off: 109.9 (16), Def: 112.6 (23)
After trading Vince Carter, the Nets aren't coming close to a playoff spot, but they could remain somewhat competitive if their young core takes a step forward and they make a new commitment to defense. That and a go-ahead on Brooklyn could entice a free agent next summer.

27 Minnesota (26) 24-58 Pace: 90.4 (15), Off: 107.5 (24), Def: 112.9 (25)
The David Kahn era is less than three months old, but he's certainly made his mark. His is a long-term plan and the Wolves have got the building blocks for a bright future, but Kahn may be the only one who thinks drafting two point guards back-to-back was a good idea.

28 New York (23) 32-50 Pace: 95.1 (2), Off: 110.0 (14), Def: 112.7 (24)
With the David Lee and Ramon Sessions situations still very much in the air, we don't know exactly where the Knicks sit in the Eastern Conference lower-archy. But even if both end up in New York, this team is still well short of playoff caliber.

29 Memphis (25) 24-58 Pace: 88.8 (21), Off: 105.1 (28), Def: 111.2 (21)
New acquisition Zach Randolph has essentially the same contract as Pau Gasol, whom the Grizzlies traded a year and a half ago for financial reasons. Would anyone in the league outside of Memphis rather have Randolph than Gasol, even if he was paid half as much?

30 Sacramento (30) 17-65 Pace: 92.9 (7), Off: 107.1 (25), Def: 116.4 (30)
There's nowhere to go but up for the worst team in the league last season, but while Tyreke Evans is a talent, the Kings need a lot more to start climbing the standings in the West.

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 09:27 AM
"Either you think the Artest-for-Ariza swap was a big upgrade for the Lakers, or you think the True Warier will become a major distraction and ruin the champs' chemistry. Either way, you know it's going to be an interesting season in L.A. For now, they're at the top."

What a fuck this Schuhmann guy is.

lefty
08-24-2009, 10:00 AM
Cleveland in front of the Spurs ?

:lmao

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 10:10 AM
Cleveland in front of the Spurs ?

:lmao

Orlando in front of the Spurs?,,,in light of this brilliant "catch & shoot" that Jefferson now possesses. Gee, all you have to do is move to Texas.

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 10:27 AM
Orlando in front of the Spurs?,,,in light of this brilliant "catch & shoot" that Jefferson now possesses. Gee, all you have to do is move to Texas.
More subtle than I'm used to regarding you. I'm not getting your point here. Care to elaborate on how you were intending on insulting the Spurs this time?

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 10:33 AM
So S.A. will be "right there with" L.A., and yet he predicts that the Lakers will win 11 more games... hmm. Sounds like lip service. Can this season start already fer fuxsakes!?!

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 10:38 AM
More subtle than I'm used to regarding you. I'm not getting your point here. Care to elaborate on how you were intending on insulting the Spurs this time?

It was a half assed "insult"...he's intimating that Jefferson's shot is like money, but, yet he puts Orlando in front of them. Jefferson has always been an afterthought NBA-wide, but, since he moved to Texas he's like the greatest thing since sliced bread.

CubanMustGo
08-24-2009, 10:41 AM
So S.A. will be "right there with" L.A., and yet he predicts that the Lakers will win 11 more games... hmm. Sounds like lip service. Can this season start already fer fuxsakes!?!


If they keep Manu Ginobili healthy and Tim Duncan fresh, put the Spurs right there with L.A.

The 11-game differential shows that they doubt Manu will stay healthy and that Tim will not be overused. It's a valid concern.

Muser
08-24-2009, 10:42 AM
It was a half assed "insult"...he's intimating that Jefferson's shot is like money, but, yet he puts Orlando in front of them. Jefferson has always been an afterthought NBA-wide, but, since he moved to Texas he's like the greatest thing since sliced bread.


Kinda like Gasol.

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 10:56 AM
Kinda like Gasol.

No. Gasol ain't changed his game a tinker's dam twixt TN. & CA.

Mel_13
08-24-2009, 11:00 AM
So S.A. will be "right there with" L.A., and yet he predicts that the Lakers will win 11 more games... hmm. Sounds like lip service. Can this season start already fer fuxsakes!?!

Those are last season's records, not predicted records for the upcoming season

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 11:00 AM
Kinda like Gasol.

:lol Very good indeed! One can hope that R.J. has the same ultimate result for our squad as Pau for theirs.

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 11:05 AM
:lol Very good indeed! One can hope that R.J. has the same ultimate result for our squad as Pau for theirs.

& if he does, just gird yer loinage for a comeuppance of unGodly proportions in the fine tradition of the Gasol for Brown Affair:::

"Oh, it isn't right."

"Oh, it isn't fair."

"Oh, Stern should be fired."

"Oh, the fix is in."

"Oh, who spanked Stern's monkey?"

"Oh."

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 11:07 AM
Jefferson has always been an afterthought NBA-wide, but, since he moved to Texas he's like the greatest thing since sliced bread.

He's a Spur. Believe me, by the time the season starts he'll be an after thought yet again in the national media's eye. Blessing and a curse, seems.

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 11:21 AM
& if he does, just gird yer loinage for a comeuppance of unGodly proportions in the fine tradition of the Gasol for Brown Affair:::
"Oh, it isn't right."
"Oh, it isn't fair."
"Oh, Stern should be fired."
"Oh, the fix is in."
"Oh, who spanked Stern's monkey?"
"Oh."

Nah, you guys still have Gasol. Orlando, Boston and Cleveland all made big pick-ups or lopsided trades in the off-season. If we win it all again it be covered as another year of crafty underrated F.O. heroics ('cause let's face it, the pundits really don't think we (Spurs) are as apt to win a finals as some are writing at this point). The league (among it's upper echelon teams) has evened out a bit more, so no conspiracy (maybe Lakers', Suns' or whoever we beat in the finals fans might consider otherwise). Regardless, dealing with another team's fans whining in exchange for :lobt:? I will accept that. In fact I'd revel in it. Seems to be a 'who laughs last' kinda scenario. Still the Gasol trade will always be understood as collusion with the Griz, as it should be. That is your debt to the rest of the league for living in one of the richest markets in the league, s'pose.

Edit: Dallas also had a nice off season. Sorry.

anonoftheinternets
08-24-2009, 11:27 AM
repost

TheMACHINE
08-24-2009, 11:31 AM
Kinda like Gasol.

Gasol was the #1 guy who became the number 2 guy. You really think RJ would have the same impact as Gasol?

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 11:39 AM
Gasol was the #1 guy who became the number 2 guy. You really think RJ would have the same impact as Gasol?

RJ was a number one guy on the Bucks, and on the Nets when VC was going through one of his notorious off streaks. But no, he will not have the same impact as Gasol as a singular signing and he won't have to. He will be relegated to a 3rd option unless he gets time off the bench. But RJ + McDyess + another pick-up stepping up + the big 3 staying healthy, would almost certainly equal a championship IMO. At the very least a far more formidable team than last year (like Gasol's first year with y'all).

TheMACHINE
08-24-2009, 11:52 AM
RJ was a number one guy on the Bucks, and on the Nets when VC was going through one of his notorious off streaks. But no, he will not have the same impact as Gasol as a singular signing and he won't have to. He will be relegated to a 3rd option unless he gets time off the bench. But RJ + McDyess + another pick-up stepping up + the big 3 staying healthy, would almost certainly equal a championship IMO. At the very least a far more formidable team than last year (like Gasol's first year with y'all).

So you are depeninding on the Big 3 staying healthy, RJ getting enough minutes, an old ass McDyess and another pick up stepping up to get a championship. Good luck with that.

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 12:03 PM
So you are depeninding on the Big 3 staying healthy, RJ getting enough minutes, an old ass McDyess and another pick up stepping up to get a championship. Good luck with that.

Our entire ability to win doesn't depend on that, but that is what would insure a championship (again, in my opinion). Shit, we (during the regular season) managed to compete and end with a respectable record last season with no one being healthy the full year. With our additions this off-season, how could we not be more of a threat (outside of full cohesive meltdown, which is extremely unlikely on a Spurs team)?

DPG21920
08-24-2009, 12:14 PM
IMO, on paper as things stand today:

1) Lakers
2) Boston
3) Cavs
4) Orlando
5) Spurs
6) Mavs

anonoftheinternets
08-24-2009, 12:17 PM
Our entire ability to win doesn't depend on that, but that is what would insure a championship (again, in my opinion). Shit, we (during the regular season) managed to compete and end with a respectable record last season with no one being healthy the full year. With our additions this off-season, how could we not be more of a threat (outside of full cohesive meltdown, which is extremely unlikely on a Spurs team)?

actually this is going to be one heck of a test for Pop. A bunch of new players, who don't know the spurs system clearly, but all extremely accomplished. The potential is scary, but would require clear focus and direction for them to approach it. And knocking off the lakers/east is no easy task this year. If Pop can do it this year, the championship should be dedicated to him.

JJ Hickson
08-24-2009, 12:17 PM
Cleveland in front of the Spurs ?

:lmao


Teams that can't even make it our of the first round don't deserved to be ranked above legitimate contenders.

TheMACHINE
08-24-2009, 12:20 PM
but can u win without Bowen!

lefty
08-24-2009, 12:22 PM
Teams that can't even make it our of the first round don't deserved to be ranked above legitimate contenders.
Yeah like the Cavs would have won a 1st round series in the West :lol

lefty
08-24-2009, 12:24 PM
IMO, on paper as things stand today:

1) Lakers
2) Boston
3) Cavs
4) Orlando
5) Spurs
6) Mavs


I admire your non-homerism, but there is NO way Cavs and Magic are better than us in 2009-2010

JJ Hickson
08-24-2009, 12:28 PM
I admire your non-homerism, but there is NO way Cavs and Magic are better than us in 2009-2010


:lol Even your fellow Spurs fans know you are a dumb ass.

lefty
08-24-2009, 12:28 PM
:lol Even your fellow Spurs fans know you are a dumb ass.
"JJ Hickson "..........

I've seen enough :lmao

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 12:32 PM
:lol Even your fellow Spurs fans know you are a dumb ass.

Is three years how long it takes before Cavs fan can talk shit sbout the Spurs? Has it been that long? Ah, seems like only yesterday...

JJ Hickson
08-24-2009, 12:36 PM
Is three years how long it takes before Cavs fan can talk shit sbout the Spurs? Has it been that long? Ah, seems like only yesterday...

Is 3 months how long it takes before Spurs fan can talk shit after getting knocked out in the first round? Ah, It seems like only yesterday.

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 12:39 PM
Is 3 months how long it takes before Spurs fan can talk shit after getting knocked out in the first round? Ah, It seems like only yesterday.

Oh, I had forgotten that the Cavs won the finals last year. Must be one of those phantom Mavs ones. Ya we should be ashamed not making it out of the first round for the first time in like 8 years and with our crippled roster. Nice try troll. Talk to me when your club wins something of any worth.

JJ Hickson
08-24-2009, 12:42 PM
Oh, I had forgotten that the Cavs won the finals last year. Must be one of those phantom Mavs ones. Nice try troll. Talk to me when your club wins something of any worth.


Conference finals >>> First round ass rape.

eisfeld
08-24-2009, 12:43 PM
Is 3 months how long it takes before Spurs fan can talk shit after getting knocked out in the first round? Ah, It seems like only yesterday.

You know you would be funnier if you would not act like a troll trying to imitate another one.

BUMP
08-24-2009, 12:50 PM
Wait a second....do SpurFans remember how badly they got curbstomped by Cleveland in both games last year?

Not only that but they add Shaquille O'Neal, Leon Powe, and Anthony Parker, while you guys add a homosexual to your "failed to get out of the first round" team

And you think you are all of a sudden you're gonna be a contender? :lmao

JJ Hickson
08-24-2009, 12:53 PM
Me >>>>> DeJuan Blair

TheMACHINE
08-24-2009, 12:58 PM
Yeah like the Cavs would have won a 1st round series in the West :lol

im sure they would have won atleast 2 games against the Mavs.

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 01:02 PM
Wait a second....do SpurFans remember how badly they got curbstomped by Cleveland in both games last year?

Not only that but they add Shaquille O'Neal, Leon Powe, and Anthony Parker, while you guys add a homosexual to your "failed to get out of the first round" team

And you think you are all of a sudden you're gonna be a contender? :lmao

By that logic how will the Mavs do this year? Are they contenders? I mean, the games we played Cleveland we lost 86-97 and 81-101, Mavs lost their two against them 74-102 and 81-100. So were you guys "super-ultra curb-stomped" or what? Anyways, I get the sensation you are not so much defending the Cavs as ripping the Spurs.

cheguevara
08-24-2009, 01:02 PM
Not only that but they add Shaquille O'Neal, Leon Powe, and Anthony Parker,

:lmao

BUMP
08-24-2009, 01:09 PM
By that logic how will the Mavs do this year? Are they contenders? I mean, the games we played Cleveland we lost 86-97 and 81-101, Mavs lost their two against them 74-102 and 81-100. So were you guys "super-ultra curb-stomped" or what? Anyways, I get the sensation you are not so much defending the Cavs as ripping the Spurs.

I'm saying any time you sign a homosexual to your team expecting him to be the savior, you're in BIG trouble

cheguevara
08-24-2009, 01:13 PM
I'm saying any time you sign a homosexual to your team expecting him to be the savior, you're in BIG trouble

and anytime you bust a nut inside BigFoot, you're in BIG trouble

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/crystal-taylor-mug-shot.jpg

BUMP
08-24-2009, 01:43 PM
when you get sent home in the 1st round by somebody who nuts in bigfoot you know you are in even bigger trouble

cheguevara
08-24-2009, 01:56 PM
and when you choke every single damn series right after beating the Spurs and STILL manage to go home and bang BigFoot, you are in even BIGGER trouble

Findog
08-24-2009, 02:00 PM
What's with the pink?

http://www.dinesh.com/images/stories/logo/nbalogos/spurs_fiesta_logo.gif

The_Game
08-24-2009, 02:18 PM
I admire your non-homerism, but there is NO way Cavs and Magic are better than us in 2009-2010

Spurs will need to prove it..right now Cavs and Magic deserve to be ranked ahead of the Spurs.

23LeBronJames23
08-24-2009, 02:25 PM
Yeah like the Cavs would have won a 1st round series in the West :lol

of course they would. espacially against the Mavs

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 02:32 PM
when you get sent home in the 1st round by somebody who nuts in bigfoot you know you are in even bigger trouble

:rollin

Ghazi
08-24-2009, 02:38 PM
I don't know what to make of the Mavs. Although it's certainly possible, I'm not absolutely convinced we're better than teams like NOLA, Utah, Denver, Portland. Not saying we'll get the 7th seed, but the gap between those teams and us is so small that injuries/luck/chemistry can be the difference between a 3rd seed or a 6th-7th seed, as was the case last year when 2-6 were separated by 4 games. seems like worst case is 7th, best case is 3rd, likely may be 4-5 seed?

It also isn't out of the question to finish 2nd in the West. After all, we did go 6-3 against the Spurs last year and the Spurs are old and not very good anymore. :)

Sdayi135
08-24-2009, 06:14 PM
CLE/ORL over BOS? Lol

024
08-24-2009, 07:01 PM
lakers and magic should be 1/2. the carter trade might be extremely beneficial to the magic. #3 should both be the spurs and celtics as both teams have some question marks regarding health and additions of new players. cavs should be 4th until proven otherwise.

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 10:30 PM
If Nelson can deliver for the Magic they'll be legit. They'll go as far as he is permitted to take them.

tlongII
08-24-2009, 11:47 PM
I honestly don't see any team other than us capable of challenging the Lakers. The likelihood of key injuries to Cle/SA/Bos is just too great. Orlando and Dallas just aren't as good as us.

DPG21920
08-24-2009, 11:48 PM
You honestly think sheep make good lovers as well.

KSeal
08-24-2009, 11:51 PM
I honestly don't see any team other than us capable of challenging the Lakers. The likelihood of key injuries to Cle/SA/Bos is just too great. Orlando and Dallas just aren't as good as us.

I think you're forgetting the part where your team drafted Olden over Durant, otherwise I would agree with you.

tlongII
08-25-2009, 12:01 AM
I think you're forgetting the part where your team drafted Olden over Durant, otherwise I would agree with you.

Oden > Bynum

KSeal
08-25-2009, 12:03 AM
Oden > Bynum

That isn't saying a whole lot, they both suck at this point.

The point was Durant>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Olden

tlongII
08-25-2009, 12:08 AM
That isn't saying a whole lot, they both suck at this point.

The point was Durant>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Olden

Nope. Actually it's Oden > Durant. Don't be fooled by the PPG.

Dunc n Dave
08-25-2009, 12:24 AM
Nope. Actually it's Oden > Durant. Don't be fooled by the PPG.

:rollin

redzero
08-25-2009, 12:32 AM
I'm amazed at all these people who think that 45 games of a hobbled Chandler is better than 82 games of Okafor.

Ghazi
08-25-2009, 12:50 AM
Yeah its hard to get preseason respect when you lose 121-63 :lol

Oh and Bynum > Oden right now.

redzero
08-25-2009, 01:07 AM
Yeah its hard to get preseason respect when you lose 121-63 :lol

Oh and Bynum > Oden right now.

Yet, the Hornets still lost in five, just like your beloved Mavericks. Unlike the Mavs, the Hornets were not healthy and had no real Center in that series.

Ghazi
08-25-2009, 01:32 AM
Chandler played 4 games. I guess if he was healthy it woulda been 121-73 instead.

But if we're gonna bring up injuries,Howard was injured for the Mavs and he's better and more significant than Chandler.:)

redzero
08-25-2009, 01:35 AM
Chandler played 4 games. I guess if he was healthy it woulda been 121-73 instead.

But if we're gonna bring up injuries,Howard was injured for the Mavs and he's better and more significant than Chandler.:)

Chandler had fucked up feet.

Peja's always injured.

West had a bad back and was exhausted from playing 40+ mpg the entire season.

Muser
08-25-2009, 04:07 AM
Blaming a Peja injury for losing :lmao

BeeGee
08-25-2009, 08:11 AM
I would like to see this guy's "power rankings" this time last year. Fuckin tool.

BUMP
08-25-2009, 09:35 AM
Yet, the Hornets still lost in five, just like your beloved Mavericks. Unlike the Mavs, the Hornets were not healthy and had no real Center in that series.

:lol a hobbled Chandler>Dampier

polysylab1k
08-25-2009, 10:16 AM
:lol a hobbled Chandler>Dampier
It's untrue either in defense or offense. Erick is an above average defender, probably Tyson used to be an awesome player in defense but his injury has badly harmed his consistency and durability, as redzero said, Chandler has fucked up feet.

Offensively Erick is average at best, but I don't think Tyson has much left in tank to work more energetically than Damp does. Chandler only was the finisher of the alley-oops, which were the main routes he got points. Without Paul launching alley-oops, Chandler isn't less of a crap than Dampier is at offensive end. Besides Dampier is much hardier than the Chandler with fucked up feet. I thought only idiotic perverts like Rogue denigrated our beloved Ericka, now it seems we have got another dork of that pathetic range.

WildcardManu
08-25-2009, 11:45 AM
Nope. Actually it's Oden > Durant. Don't be fooled by the PPG.

Doesn't really matter right now, Oden's teammates are making up for what he's been lacking the past two seasons.