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duncan228
08-24-2009, 01:56 PM
The 10 best teams of the decade never to win a championship (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-10-best-teams-of-the-decade-never-to-win-a-c;_ylt=Avxa3NMEOSdUMrb4dUAJ0Na8vLYF?urn=nba,184569 )
By Kelly Dwyer
Ball Don't Lie

OK, we know that the first decade of the 21st century doesn't really end until 2011. We think. But we also know that there have been ten full NBA seasons played since the phrase "Y2K" was on all of our lips (1999-00), and here at Ball Don't Lie we've decided to use this as an offseason excuse to rank some of the best and not-so-brightest of the ten campaigns in question. The result? Why, top ten lists!

Also-rans get also-rung for many reasons. Players could fall short, coaches could come up lame, the refs could play a part, the matchups could play a role, and injuries could come up at the worst time. Or, our own overstating of one team's brilliance could lead them to believe the hype, and disbelieve in the idea of boxing out.

Here are a list of the ten best teams to fall short of a ring, with no franchise being listed twice (to give everyone a chance), since the 1999-00 season.

10. Miami Heat, 2004-05

Shaquille O'Neal got most of the credit at the time, but the years have taught us that it was Dwyane Wade's ascendency that allowed the Heat to win 59 games in O'Neal's first year in a Miami. Coached by Stan Van Gundy, with Wade in his second year, the Heat were equally stout on defense (6th in defensive efficiency) and offense (5th), while receiving solid spacing and help D from guys like Damon Jones, Eddie Jones, Christian Laettner, and Udonis Haslem.

Alas, with Wade (and to a lesser extent, O'Neal) injured for Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals, the Pistons topped the Heat in Miami. President Pat Riley then proceeded to dump that set of role players in favor of a crew including Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, and James Posey. Somehow (read: Wade, that's how) it worked, and the Heat won its ring in 2006.

9. Detroit Pistons, 2005-06

With Flip Saunders turning what was a 17th-ranked offense into a 4th-ranked offense while sustaining the defense (dropped from 3rd under Larry Brown to 5th with Saunders), the Pistons were bandied about as a possible 70-win team until a March and April swoon saw what was once a 47-9 outfit finish 17-9.

Whether these Pistons tuned Saunders out is up for discussion, but the desultory end to the regular season was topped off by two sleepwalking turns against the Bucks and Cavaliers in the first two rounds (even losing by 20 to an underwhelming Milwaukee team), before the Heat downed the Pistons in six games (with three of Miami's wins coming by double-digits, no small feat considering the snail-like pace) in the Conference finals.

Also considered: Detroit Pistons, 2004-05; Detroit Pistons 2007-08.

8. Phoenix Suns, 2004-05

It's hard to overstate what this season's Phoenix Suns meant to several generations of NBA fans. Not only did they run with abandon and play a freewheeling offense led by free agent signee Steve Nash, but they were also the lead dog in a new era of pro basketball that was defined by increased hand-checking regulation (making it easier for guards to do their thing), and a slight (but needed) uptick in the running game. This year's model dashed out to 62 wins while scoring 110 per contest, alongside an underrated defense (17th in defensive efficiency).

The playoffs seemed to bring more of the same until Joe Johnson went down with a broken face, essentially, in Game 2 of the Western Conference semifinals. Jim Jackson was an adequate replacement, but the Suns weren't at full strength while down a cog, and it showed. Phoenix wasn't exactly outclassed against the San Antonio Spurs in the Conference finals — they won once and lost by only seven, three, 10, and six points — but the Spurs did well to keep Phoenix at forearm's length.

Also considered: Phoenix Suns, 2006-07

7. Minnesota Timberwolves, 2003-04

Kevin Garnett's lone MVP season saw him at his absolute peak, and for just about the only time in his NBA career, he was paired with a player worth Garnett's time. It wasn't a Big Three, Latrell Sprewell was pretty average in his second-to-last season, but Sam Cassell's 20-point seven-assist season paired nicely with Garnett's ridiculous all-court combination of league-best defense and 24 points, 14 rebounds, five assists, and 3.7 combined steals and blocks.

It may have won a championship, too, had Cassell not come up lame in the postseason with a bum hamstring. With their All-Star out, Darrick Martin, Fred Hoiberg, and even Kevin Garnett had to bring the ball past half court for the Wolves, who lost in the Conference finals to the Lakers. The season also saw one of the great Game 7 performances of all time, as Garnett notched 32 points, 21 rebounds, five blocks, four steals, two assists and two turnovers in the second round against Sacramento, ridiculous numbers for such a low scoring (83-80) game.

6. Los Angeles Lakers, 2003-04

This could have been an all-time team, one of the greats, had everything come together. Nothing came together, though. Nothing came close. Everything fell apart, badly, but not before the Lakers made it all the way to the NBA Finals, as favorites, before losing to the Detroit Pistons. Los Angeles signed Gary Payton and Karl Malone to cheap-o contracts before the season started, hoping to fill positions that had been skunked by Tim Duncan and Tony Parker the season before, but those esteemed transactions were more than mitigated by the news of Kobe Bryant's legal troubles in Colorado during the summer of 2003.

Bryant's troubles marred the season, as he grew increasingly insular, and, to his coaching staff and teammates, erratic and selfish on the court. Payton never learned the offense, Shaquille O'Neal was never in shape, and Karl Malone (the lone good soldier on this squad) had to deal with two devastating freak knee injuries in December (with the Lakers rolling along at 20 and 5) and in June (with Los Angeles about to make the Finals).

Also considered: Los Angeles Lakers, 2007-08

5. Dallas Mavericks, 2006-07

They were the favorite, the 67-win team, but these Mavericks are the go-to gold standard regarding just why point differential is more important than won/loss records when determining the greatness of a team, and why matchups will always rule in the NBA. This doesn't mean these Mavs were chopped liver, far from it. Led by Dirk Nowitzki's MVP turn, the Mavs were an angry team that was smarting from a 2006 Finals defeat to the Miami Heat.

They weren't exactly seething out of the gate, as Dallas lost its first four contests, but the Mavs teed off on the league from there (a 67-11 record to finish the year, yikes), and seemed to be the overwhelming favorite for everyone that hadn't noticed San Antonio's 8.4-point differential that season (nearly a whole point better than Dallas). Dallas' 1-6 record against Golden State over the previous two seasons was also ignored, as the Warriors went on to top Dallas in a six-game opening round loss.

Also considered: Dallas Mavericks, 2005-06; Dallas Mavericks, 2002-03; Dallas Mavericks, 2004-05.

4. Portland Trail Blazers, 1999-00

A notorious also-ran that managed to lose a trip to the Finals (and probably title) not with an injury or ref-addled series of bum calls but with a miserable meltdown in the fourth quarter of a Game 7 that handed the Los Angeles Lakers a comeback win and rendered a promising team absolutely frazzled for three seasons following. Worse, with a big win on February 29th of that season (Portland was 45-11 entering the game, they finished the season 14-12), the Lakers sent the Blazers reeling twice in one season.

Things started out promising. A late offseason trade netted the Trail Blazers Scottie Pippen for all sorts of what were thought to be superfluous parts, after a summer that saw the team acquire Steve Smith and Detlef Schrempf in order to round out an already-fearsome and deep roster. Coach Mike Dunleavy was never able to foster a group that was greater than the sum of its parts, and the team had no fallback option once the jumpers stopped falling in Game 7. And one of the "superfluous parts" listed above, Laker guard Brian Shaw, ended up contributing a huge three-pointer in Los Angeles' Game 7 comeback.

3. San Antonio Spurs, 2003-04

People forget just how great this Spurs team was, lost in the haze between its 2003 return to glory (a championship won with newish additions Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker, and the two ring bearers that followed in 2005 and 2007. Of course, the team also harkened back to an outfit that looked downright scared in losses to the Los Angeles Lakers in the 2001 and 2002 playoffs.

It was the Lakers that downed this team in the Conference semifinals in 2004, as well, completely ripping the heart out of the Spurs after Derek Fisher nailed a nearly-impossible jumper with .4 seconds left in a pivotal fifth game of the Conference semifinals. The Spurs had a chance to even the series in Game 6, but they were more or less toast by then. The Lakers, as it was in 2001 and 2002, went on to the Finals.

Also considered: San Antonio Spurs, 2005-06; San Antonio Spurs, 2001-02; San Antonio Spurs, 2000-01.

2. Sacramento Kings, 2001-02

This team deserved a championship so much that Ralph Nader thought he'd lend a hand in helping them out. The Kings were absolutely jobbed by the referees in a Game 6 loss to the Lakers in the Western Conference finals, a series of calls so bad that Nader thought he'd do a little work on Sacramento's behalf. Honesty compels me to mention the fact that the Lakers were also jobbed a bit in Game 5 of that series in Sacramento, and that the Kings did have a Game 7 at home in their favor to make things right.

They blew that one, though, even as it went to overtime. It tends to mar an otherwise sublime season that saw seven Kings average double-figure points per game (with two, Chris Webber and Peja Stojakovic, averaging well over 20 per), alongside the sixth-best defense in the NBA. But, you know, maybe if Vlade hadn't of flopped so damn much ...

Also considered: Sacramento Kings, 2002-03, Sacramento Kings 2003-04.

1. Cleveland Cavaliers, 2008-09

I sort of like this also-ran, because it speaks to how we've grown as a sport-regarding culture over the years. These Cleveland Cavaliers ran up 66-wins, an almost-Bulls-like 8.9-point differential (way better than any team listed above), and had the greatest player in the game (LeBron James) at their disposal. And yet, when the team lost to the Orlando Magic in the Eastern Conference finals last spring, people seemed ready to smartly admit that the Cavs, for all their horses, just didn't have the horses to run with the Magic.

Nobody was labeled a choker, nobody was fired, and though the team traded for one big (hopeful) problem-solver in the offseason in Shaquille O'Neal, nobody seemed to overreact and make deals for the sake of making deals. Knowing that the team will have the best player in the game, at only age 24, around for at least the next season helps too; but you have to love the lack of hand-wringing. Still, the meek ending doesn't hide the fact that this was an otherwise dominant team that won 74 of its first 90 games before falling to the Magic in six.

Honorable mention: Orlando Magic 2008-09; Indiana Pacers, 2003-04; Indiana Pacers 1999-00; Philadelphia 76ers, 2000-01

Questions? Comments? Furious and righteous anger and a world, not to mention top ten list, gone wrong? Swing by later today at about 2 p.m. Eastern for a BDL mini-chat regarding this very list.

resistanze
08-24-2009, 02:12 PM
Cleveland should be like 6-8 on this list. And I would've picked the 2004-05 Pistons over the 2005-06. They were the defending champs and made it to game 7 of the Finals, after all.

KSeal
08-24-2009, 02:15 PM
I'd take any team on that list over the 09 Cavs.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
08-24-2009, 02:18 PM
The Cavs being #1 on this list is simply pathetic. They're probably the worst 65+ win team in NBA history.

If were assuming everyone is healthy, the 2004 Lakers easily.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
08-24-2009, 02:19 PM
I'd take any team on that list over the 09 Cavs.


Given how GREAT the 2009 Cavs were against good teams, why on Earth would you do that? :lol

Ghazi
08-24-2009, 02:19 PM
Heat 05-06 were pretty good too.

LnGrrrR
08-24-2009, 02:19 PM
Surprised Boston wasn't listed for 09.

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 02:27 PM
"Bryant's troubles marred the season, as he grew increasingly insular, and, to his coaching staff and teammates, erratic and selfish on the court."

Talking points/marching orders direct from ESPN.

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 02:32 PM
"Bryant's troubles marred the season, as he grew increasingly insular, and, to his coaching staff and teammates, erratic and selfish on the court."

Talking points/marching orders direct from ESPN.

Was he not? He, at some points, has totally pushed around your front office. As I recall he was a pussy hair away from demanding to be dealt, prior to your ill-gotten collusion trade.

resistanze
08-24-2009, 02:34 PM
Yeah Kobe was shitacular in the 2004 finals.

KSeal
08-24-2009, 02:35 PM
prior to your ill-gotten collusion trade.

Stop hating, you just got one of those trades yourself and if you didn't you wouldn't be title contenders.

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 02:40 PM
Was he not? He, at some points, has totally pushed around your front office. As I recall he was a pussy hair away from demanding to be dealt, prior to your ill-gotten collusion trade.

Just like a myriad of "superstars" have pushed around their front office.

I'm on the record and have been:::I got no problem with Kobe takin' off after Buss hammer & tong in hand. None at all.

Jordan did it. KG did it. Rodman did it. Shaq did it....on & on & on.

Here's my bone of contention: "Bryant's troubles marred the season, as he grew increasingly insular, and, to his coaching staff and teammates, erratic and selfish on the court." ....Dwyer stickin' his finger down his throat and throwin' up all over his word processor don't make it true.

urunobili
08-24-2009, 02:41 PM
2006 Spurs >>>>>>> 2004 Spurs

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 02:42 PM
Here's my bone of contention: "Bryant's troubles marred the season, as he grew increasingly insular, and, to his coaching staff and teammates, erratic and selfish on the court." ....Dwyer stickin' his finger down his throat and throwin' up all over his word processor don't make it true.

Have to take your word on that.

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 02:42 PM
Yeah Kobe was shitacular in the 2004 finals.

WTF gives you a voice? Yer like O & forever. You've been on your ass since you were born.

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 02:43 PM
Have to take your word on that.

& Dwyer's word as well.

dirk4mvp
08-24-2009, 02:43 PM
Those Kings would chode bload the Cavs pretty bad.

BlackBellamy
08-24-2009, 02:45 PM
Stop hating, you just got one of those trades yourself and if you didn't you wouldn't be title contenders.

:lol I treat Cul's posts with the same lucid non-biased opinion that he constantly shows us Spurfan. Nothing personal.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
08-24-2009, 02:51 PM
Those Kings would chode bload the Cavs pretty bad.


So would the 2005 Suns. We know my view of Nash, but one thing you don't wanna do is piss the guy off. Mo Williams would say something dumb and piss Nash off.

Nash and Amare would then abuse that pick and roll defense (or lack thereof), and Nash would average 26 points and 16 assists for the series.

Meanwhile, D'antoni would be playing against a coach he was great at mind fucking, Mike Brown.

Culburn369
08-24-2009, 03:12 PM
"We know my view of Nash, but one thing you don't wanna do is piss the guy off."

WTF is his trigger, DUNCAN? I've been "around the guy" since he was drafted and I couldn't tell you. Sure, not getting his way (Porter), but, everybody likes their way.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
08-24-2009, 03:26 PM
WTF is his trigger, DUNCAN? I've been "around the guy" since he was drafted and I couldn't tell you. Sure, not getting his way (Porter), but, everybody likes their way.


He never really had a snapping point here, but in 2005 it was clear he was pissed about how he was treated, and determined to make Dallas look stupid for getting rid of im.

Horry shoving him into a table caused him to snap in 2007, his team was just too darn shitty.

Basically, he used to get a look in his eye that said, "We're not fuckin losing this game," a look I haven't seen in 2 years now.

ginobili's bald spot
08-24-2009, 03:33 PM
The Cavs #1 is that a joke? Every team on that list would have beaten the Cavs. It's not even debatable.

resistanze
08-24-2009, 03:38 PM
WTF gives you a voice? Yer like O & forever. You've been on your ass since you were born.

I'm not sure what that even means.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
08-24-2009, 03:43 PM
The Cavs #1 is that a joke? Every team on that list would have beaten the Cavs. It's not even debatable.


It's still unbelievable that team won 66 games.

Brazil
08-24-2009, 03:47 PM
09 cavs ??? lol

23LeBronJames23
08-24-2009, 03:51 PM
they Cavs on number 1 because LeBron James was the Most Valuable Player

ginobili's bald spot
08-24-2009, 04:12 PM
they Cavs on number 1 because LeBron James was the Most Valuable Player

What ever would we do without your insightful posts?

Muser
08-24-2009, 04:16 PM
I knew this would be Cleveland at the top, more nut sucking.

resistanze
08-24-2009, 04:27 PM
Yeah, upon second review, the only team CLE would have a chance against would be the 2003-04 TWolves.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
08-24-2009, 04:56 PM
they Cavs on number 1 because LeBron James was the Most Valuable Player

OK so then why are the Suns #8 when Nash was MVP that season?

duncan228
08-24-2009, 07:58 PM
BDL's impending Top 10 lists, and what they mean to you (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/BDL-s-impending-Top-10-lists-and-what-they-mean;_ylt=ArHMfqwI_Tp0yTv4GUF8.Q.8vLYF?urn=nba,184 359)
By Kelly Dwyer
Ball Don't Lie

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It might be hard to fathom, but this decade is ending. We've but a few months left.

Hell, it seems like just last Tuesday that I had to call back to friends and family in America on New Year's Day from Sydney, Australia, to tell them that, yes, we're ahead of you and in the year 2000, and, no, the toasters aren't fighting with the Windows 98-powered computers in a bid for world domination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem). Seems like just the other day.

Jamie Mottram (http://misterirrelevant.com/) reminded us all about this the other day, not the whole toasters vs. Pentiums thing, but the idea that the first decade of the 21st century was winding down. And with the offseason winding down, what better way to, uh, "celebrate" (?) the closing of a decade that has "brought (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_New_York_%28TV_series%29) us (http://www.thewolverineblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hangingchad.jpg) so (http://www.albanyedge.com/blog/albanyedge/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dane-cook1.jpg) much (http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/100808_biggerclock.jpg)" by ranking a series of top 10 players, events, teams, and whatever else you have in mind.

The first batch is obvious — top 10 teams, players, and backup ultra-athletic guard/forwards with limited shooting range. But we'd like to hear what else you'd like to see ranked. And, as always, any suggestions for possible participants are greatly appreciated.

That said, don't be shocked if I take a little of this for myself, I didn't spend 55 hours a week watching basketball for the better part of a decade just so I couldn't rank these cats on some random August evening. Ah, the payoff. The sweet, sweet payoff.

If you've got a suggestion, feel free to shout at me via kdonhoops [at] yahoo.com, or let me know on Twitter (http://twitter.com/KDonhoops).

mavs>spurs2
08-24-2009, 11:51 PM
Heat 05-06 were pretty good too.

:lmao

KSeal
08-24-2009, 11:54 PM
OK so then why are the Suns #8 when Nash was MVP that season?

Same goes for the Mavs and Wolves teams when Dirk and KG were the MVPs. Basically he just made a stupid as fuck comment that had no meaning whatsoever.

ShoogarBear
08-25-2009, 03:22 AM
Heat 05-06 were pretty good too.

:lol

ShoogarBear
08-25-2009, 03:26 AM
2006 Spurs >>>>>>> 2004 Spurs

Record-wise, yeah, but statistically the 2004 Spurs were one of the greatest defensive teams of all time. And don't forget they had a 17-game win streak before the Lakers' backdoor sweep.

ambchang
08-25-2009, 09:19 AM
Why does LeBron and the Cavs have to be #1 on each and every list now? This is just getting ridiculous. Cavs should be in the 6 to 8 range.

And the team choices:

04-05 Pistons > 05-06 because of Larry Brown.
06-07 Suns > 04-05 Suns because of experience.
05-06 Spurs > 03-04 Spurs because of experience.

BeeGee
08-25-2009, 09:29 AM
That Kings team was easily better than any of the other that came up short. Then I'd go with the 06/07 Mavs followed by the 03/04 Spurs.

fevertrees
08-25-2009, 11:58 AM
More worship on the KING! We are all witnesses to his ego and failures.

Ditty
08-25-2009, 12:03 PM
the 05-06 spurs would of beat the heat

the 03-04 spurs would of probably lost to the pistons unless the spurs were still on fire at the end of the season like they were

thispego
08-25-2009, 12:15 PM
Stop hating, you just got one of those trades yourself and if you didn't you wouldn't be title contenders.

:rolleyes

bowen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kwame brown

gasol >>>>>>>>>>>>> jefferson

lakers fans still suffering from denial after 2 years :lol

jacobdrj
08-25-2009, 12:19 PM
The 00-01 Trailblazers were a team to be reckoned with. Had they not had a moron for a coach...

The 03-04 Pacers were also-rans with the Pistons. Had they advanced, they would have knocked the snot out of the Lakers, T-Wolves, or Spurs (on any other WC team) that year.

The 01-02 Kings are far and away the single best team this decade not to win a championship. That was a bad-ass team in a bad-ass season. Were they cheated? Maybe, but they were a game away from their own sweep of the Nets.

The 04-05 Heat team was the best team in the NBA, bar-none. The Pistons had no business being in those Finals, and Miami would have crushed any Western opponent that year.

The 05-06 Spurs were the best team of the 06-07 season. They outplayed the Mavericks in their series, despite the loss. Ironically another sub-par undeserving team won, the 06-07 Heat.

The 05-06 Pistons were also-rans with the Spurs, but due to their coach's (Flip's) ineptitude, were not going to win the title that year, barring some kind of complete break-down of the rest of the NBA.

Honorable Mention
The 04-05 Pacers were the odds on favorite to win the championship, sans 1 little indecent that resulted in the complete overhaul of the power structure in the NBA.

thispego
08-25-2009, 12:21 PM
k thomas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kwame brown

oberto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kwame brown

, also

sa_kid20
08-25-2009, 12:26 PM
How are the Magic not on the list if they BEAT the #1 team on the freakin list?

jacobdrj
08-25-2009, 12:31 PM
Neither the Cavs nor the Magic were as strong as I had thought. Nuggets might be a candidate for that list...

DUNCANownsKOBE2
08-25-2009, 12:44 PM
The 00-01 Trailblazers were a team to be reckoned with. Had they not had a moron for a coach...

The 03-04 Pacers were also-rans with the Pistons. Had they advanced, they would have knocked the snot out of the Lakers, T-Wolves, or Spurs (on any other WC team) that year.

The 01-02 Kings are far and away the single best team this decade not to win a championship. That was a bad-ass team in a bad-ass season. Were they cheated? Maybe, but they were a game away from their own sweep of the Nets.

The 04-05 Heat team was the best team in the NBA, bar-none. The Pistons had no business being in those Finals, and Miami would have crushed any Western opponent that year.

The 06-07 Spurs were the best team of the 06-07 season. They outplayed the Mavericks in their series, despite the loss. Ironically another sub-par undeserving team won, the 06-07 Heat.

The 06-07 Pistons were also-rans with the Spurs, but due to their coach's (Flip's) ineptitude, were not going to win the title that year, barring some kind of complete break-down of the rest of the NBA.

Honorable Mention
The 04-05 Pacers were the odds on favorite to win the championship, sans 1 little indecent that resulted in the complete overhaul of the power structure in the NBA.


You've got your years really mixed up.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
08-25-2009, 12:45 PM
How are the Magic not on the list if they BEAT the #1 team on the freakin list?


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

I didn't even realize that, well done.

KSeal
08-25-2009, 01:26 PM
:rolleyes

bowen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kwame brown

gasol >>>>>>>>>>>>> jefferson

lakers fans still suffering from denial after 2 years :lol

That Jefferson trade was a big time salary dump. Not as bad as the Gasol trade but still a big enough salary dump to where you spurfans can STFU about them. Bowen is 100 years old and sucks now, Kurt Thomas is fine but he was easily replaced by someone better in Mcdyess meanwhile Jefferson was exactly what you guys needed. Stop denying that was a salary dump, the exact same thing the Gasol trade was.

fevertrees
08-25-2009, 01:32 PM
How are the Magic not on the list if they BEAT the #1 team on the freakin list?

Do you see a throne in Orlando?

thispego
08-25-2009, 04:50 PM
That Jefferson trade was a big time salary dump. Not as bad as the Gasol trade but still a big enough salary dump to where you spurfans can STFU about them. Bowen is 100 years old and sucks now, Kurt Thomas is fine but he was easily replaced by someone better in Mcdyess meanwhile Jefferson was exactly what you guys needed. Stop denying that was a salary dump, the exact same thing the Gasol trade was.

what are you trying to protect??? your teams' integrity? the legitimacy of your last two finals appearances????? give it up man. your gasol collusion trade was a slap in the face to every team in the nba.

KSeal
08-25-2009, 04:55 PM
what are you trying to protect??? your teams' integrity? the legitimacy of your last two finals appearances????? give it up man. your gasol collusion trade was a slap in the face to every team in the nba.

I'm trying to keep hypocrite spurfans from ripping that trade when their team just did the same thing. Give it up man? Did I not admit the Gasol trade was an absolute steal of a trade and a huge salary dump on the part of the Grizzles? I believe I did, I'm not acting like that wasn't a complete steal, I'm saying the Spurs just did the exact same kind of trade to get themselves back into title contention, so stop ripping salary dump trades when your team just greatly benefited from one.

ginobili's bald spot
08-25-2009, 04:57 PM
what are you trying to protect??? your teams' integrity? the legitimacy of your last two finals appearances????? give it up man. your gasol collusion trade was a slap in the face to every team in the nba.

Wahhhhhhh :cry That's right. The lakers raped somebody in a trade and cock slapped the entire NBA.

Girasuck
08-25-2009, 05:04 PM
So, how is a team that made it to the 03-04 Finals not better than the team they beat to get there? Doesn't make any sense.

Culburn369
08-25-2009, 06:15 PM
Wahhhhhhh :cry That's right. The lakers raped somebody in a trade and cock slapped the entire NBA.

Yep. Can't beat it with a great big stick.

thispego
08-25-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm trying to keep hypocrite spurfans from ripping that trade when their team just did the same thing. Give it up man? Did I not admit the Gasol trade was an absolute steal of a trade and a huge salary dump on the part of the Grizzles? I believe I did, I'm not acting like that wasn't a complete steal, I'm saying the Spurs just did the exact same kind of trade to get themselves back into title contention, so stop ripping salary dump trades when your team just greatly benefited from one.

lol, yeah! salary dump trade....... ooooooook! :rolleyes

:lol

keep the denial strong, lakerfans :toast

IronMexican
08-25-2009, 07:38 PM
lol, yeah! salary dump trade....... ooooooook! :rolleyes

:lol

keep the denial strong, lakerfans :toast

rofl at this butt hurt fagot. Lakers robbed the fucking bank in that trade:rollin

thispego
08-25-2009, 08:04 PM
see? some lakers fans get it. you are not all dumb/in denial. What's done is done, i just want to know that the majority of lakers fans know that any success they have with gasol comes with a * attatched.

good for you IronMexican for being realistic!

mojorizen7
08-26-2009, 04:40 PM
I'd take any team on that list over the 09 Cavs.

Ditto. One look at Cleveland at #1 and this list is bogus.

VivaPopovich
08-26-2009, 05:35 PM
Cleveland belongs on that list but #1? Please.

The 2003-2004 Lakers should've been #1 on that list. Anyone that remembers that series remembers that EVERYONE thought the Lakers were going to win the ring, ESP. after the .4 Fisher shot. Payton/Bryant/Malone/Shaq: Everyone was chalking it up as a destiny.

That Detroit championship might have been the biggest spoiler in NBA history.

As usual these yahoo writers overrate Lebron James and his streetstyle dunks. Lots of SLAM Magazine covers, no championships.

mardigan
08-26-2009, 06:05 PM
The 99-00 pacers should be on this list as well. I would take that team in a heartbeat over that shit Cav squad.