Cable News Personalities: Journalists or Commentators?

[DMX7]

People on cable news like Glenn Beck, Rachel Maddow, and Bill-o... Do you consider these people journalists at all or just commentators who talk and don't do any real in-depth research for themselves?

[angrydude]

commentators. They just talk about the journalism someone else did.

[Stringer_Bell]

Commentators, not journalists. But I don't discount the idea that Maddow/Olberrman read a decent amount of material and try to connect the dots. Beck and Bill-O just act outraged to appeal to their target demographic.

[DarrinS]

Commentators, but O'Reilly is the least partisan of the ones you named. He really likes Obama and has even written a book him.

[DarrinS]

Commentators, not journalists. But I don't discount the idea that Maddow/Olberrman read a decent amount of material and try to connect the dots. Beck and Bill-O just act outraged to appeal to their target demographic.

:lmao

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[SouthernFried]

Include the non-cable, "major news" outlets as well.

I don't see any "journalists" anywhere.

Do you?

I would call most of them..."analyst's"

Haven't seen much "journalism" anywhere these days. But Mostly don't see it on the major news channels, like ABC, CBC, NBC. Where there's any "journalism" at all, it's coming from the web and cable.

[SonOfAGun]

People say Keith is a douchebag but I think it is awfully nice of him to devote every one of his shows to Bill O'Reilly. I watched his show about 3 times this week and every time he talks mostly of O'Reilly or Beck.

Nice guy.

[SpurNation]

News is gathered from journalists...then networks report and place their own spin as to why it happened.

[George Gervin's Afro]

People say Keith is a douchebag but I think it is awfully nice of him to devote every one of his shows to Bill O'Reilly. I watched his show about 3 times this week and every time he talks mostly of O'Reilly or Beck.

Nice guy.

At least he's not calling the president racist.

[jman3000]

At least he's not calling the president racist.

eh... he called the last one a fascist ... and probably a racist as well.

[jman3000]

As soon as everyone sees that their favorite cable news commentator / News talk host is completely full of shit the better off for everyone. The problem lies in the fact that many many people take what these dick heads say as gospel and don't look to find out shit for themselves.

[George Gervin's Afro]

As soon as everyone sees that their favorite cable news commentator / News talk host is completely full of shit the better off for everyone. The problem lies in the fact that many many people take what these dick heads say as gospel and don't look to find out shit for themselves.

bingo!

[Stringer_Bell]

eh... he called the last one a fascist ... and probably a racist as well.

A lot of people called Bush a racist, remember those black people that had little to eat, shat without bathrooms, and died in corners of Superdome while waiting for relief assistance? Then, part of the "rebuilding" process involved allowing Katrina victims to stay in toxic FEMA trailers. I wouldn't call Bush a racist, but I can see how it's a little odd for mostly black people to get such shitty treatment when they are already in a shitty situation. What, you think it would have happened to Sen. Kennedy's constituents? I somehow doubt that.

Also, news commentators are neccessary for cable news ratings. If they just reported the news it would get boring real fast and college kids/old foggies wouldn't tune in and have kneejerk responses that keep them coming back for more. If ya'll are really tired of the divisiveness and fact plucking they ALL do, maybe you should ask cabe news networks to news shows from around the world instead of feeding us OUR talking points. Hm?

[hope4dopes]

As soon as everyone sees that their favorite cable news commentator / News talk host is completely full of shit the better off for everyone. The problem lies in the fact that many many people take what these dick heads say as gospel and don't look to find out shit for themselves.

Yeah, they all have their own personal ox to gore, however these people have huge followings because of the transparent slant and complicity the major networks have.Fuck what they think of the news of the day, but at least they are getting news out that the state run media would never allow, just look at how the major networks won't air adds that don't peddle the DNC grab for state run health care.
Since the george Soros nut jobs have co opted the DNC there is a very real threat that they will attempt to do what Chavez did in Venezuela to silence dissent....in some ways I look forward to it .

I ignore some of these commentators rants, but avidly listen to the stories they expose.The other thing, Obama must shut down conservative news and commentators, because they have become a tool to organize people into political activisim,something the Soros crowd cannot allow, they can only live in darkness and the people cannot be allowed to know what's going on.
Illegal aliens used spainish radio stations as a tool to organize rallies.That's fine for the DNC, but Citizens must not be allowed freedom of information.
No choice for health care..... No choice for freedom of thought.
The Soros branch of the DNC is creating a padgrim of orwellian rhetoric that's right out of 1984.We should all remember that Orwell's books were his vision of the future if the republics fell, and that he watched first hand the birth of both facisim and communisim in his life time and watched what they did to europe.It looks as if facisim is once agian on the rise.

[jman3000]

Yeah, they all have their own personal ox to gore, however these people have huge followings because of the transparent slant and complicity the major networks have.Fuck what they think of the news of the day, but at least they are getting news out that the state run media would never allow, just look at how the major networks won't air adds that don't peddle the DNC grab for state run health care.
Since the george Soros nut jobs have co opted the DNC there is a very real threat that they will attempt to do what Chavez did in Venezuela to silence dissent....in some ways I look forward to it .

I ignore some of these commentators rants, but avidly listen to the stories they expose.The other thing, Obama must shut down conservative news and commentators, because they have become a tool to organize people into political activisim,something the Soros crowd cannot allow, they can only live in darkness and the people cannot be allowed to know what's going on.
Illegal aliens used spainish radio stations as a tool to organize rallies.That's fine for the DNC, but Citizens must not be allowed freedom of information.
No choice for health care..... No choice for freedom of thought.
The Soros branch of the DNC is creating a padgrim of orwellian rhetoric that's right out of 1984.We should all remember that Orwell's books were his vision of the future if the republics fell, and that he watched first hand the birth of both facisim and communisim in his life time and watched what they did to europe.It looks as if facisim is once agian on the rise.

That was a whole lot of nothing.


Your use of catch phrases such as "state run media" and throwing around the hugely overused/misused term "fascism" just undercuts your supposed argument and shits on any credibility you though your post had.

All that was missing was using the term "democraps" or "demonrats" and mentioning how Ted Kennedy should burn in Hell.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yeah, they all have their own personal ox to gore, however these people have huge followings because of the transparent slant and complicity the major networks have.Fuck what they think of the news of the day, but at least they are getting news out that the state run media would never allow, just look at how the major networks won't air adds that don't peddle the DNC grab for state run health care.
Since the george Soros nut jobs have co opted the DNC there is a very real threat that they will attempt to do what Chavez did in Venezuela to silence dissent....in some ways I look forward to it .

I ignore some of these commentators rants, but avidly listen to the stories they expose.The other thing, Obama must shut down conservative news and commentators, because they have become a tool to organize people into political activisim,something the Soros crowd cannot allow, they can only live in darkness and the people cannot be allowed to know what's going on.
Illegal aliens used spainish radio stations as a tool to organize rallies.That's fine for the DNC, but Citizens must not be allowed freedom of information.
No choice for health care..... No choice for freedom of thought.
The Soros branch of the DNC is creating a padgrim of orwellian rhetoric that's right out of 1984.We should all remember that Orwell's books were his vision of the future if the republics fell, and that he watched first hand the birth of both facisim and communisim in his life time and watched what they did to europe.It looks as if facisim is once agian on the rise.



it's easy to excite/incite the simpletons

[Wild Cobra]

Haven't seen much "journalism" anywhere these days. But Mostly don't see it on the major news channels, like ABC, CBC, NBC. Where there's any "journalism" at all, it's coming from the web and cable.

Yep, Journalism is pretty much dead.

[SpurNation]

What are journalist suppose to do? They find a story and report what they see and find. They investigate others who might be associated to the story. Then that which is gathered is reported live and sent to the networks...AP.

Networks review the story and compile beliefs and investigate even more...that's when "commentators" come along and place their spin to the story.

We watch and assess opinion based on the spin. If you are of Liberal beleifs...you believe the Liberal media...same goes for the Conservative media.

What's so hard to understand how it works?

[George Gervin's Afro]

What are journalist suppose to do? They find a story and report what they see and find. They investigate others who might be associated to the story. Then that which is gathered is reported live and sent to the networks...AP.

Networks review the story and compile beliefs and investigate even more...that's when "commentators" come along and place their spin to the story.

We watch and assess opinion based on the spin. If you are of Liberal beleifs...you believe the Liberal media...same goes for the Conservative media.

What's so hard to understand how it works?

No you don't get it. They should have gotten to the bottom of the birth certificate fiasco.

[hope4dopes]

That was a whole lot of nothing.


Your use of catch phrases such as "state run media" and throwing around the hugely overused/misused term "fascism" just undercuts your supposed argument and shits on any credibility you though your post had.

All that was missing was using the term "democraps" or "demonrats" and mentioning how Ted Kennedy should burn in Hell.


Ah the new consent being manufactured by the DNC and the state run media. As people start to rise up..we are not citizens participating in the democratic process, we are now "mobs with swastikas"... our outrage at a heavy handed thugs in the goverment and it's unresponsiveness is now called " counter productive to the debate" or was it "counter revolutionary" I forget which. Trillions are spent but nobody knows where they went and it's called transperancy in goverment.
Your use of the Obama whitehouse's catch phrases is called bullshit.It's not working for him, and come 2010 it aint gonna work for whole lotta other politicians.And I'm sorry for the oversight, but I assumed it was a given "Ted Kennedy should burn in Hell"

I am afraid there is a whole lotta folks that don't wanna go back to sleep.

[SpurNation]

[quote=hope4dopes;3659994] Trillions are spent but nobody knows where they went and it's called transperancy in goverment.
Your use of the Obama whitehouse's catch phrases is called bullshit.It's not working for him, and come 2010 it aint gonna work for whole lotta other politicians.
quote]

Just look at the links provided in this thread...
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134108

I will supply more in that thread as I have the time to investigate. But...What happened to Reagan's balanced budget? And yes...Bush is guilty as charged as well.

It is becoming a free wielding/spending government right in front of our own eyes.

How are we to pay back China all the loans we have commited to that country?

And I remember as a youth of only 9 or 10 the remarks that communist China said....America will not be a country that could be defeated by attack but from the inside out.

[hope4dopes]

[quote=hope4dopes;3659994] Trillions are spent but nobody knows where they went and it's called transperancy in goverment.
Your use of the Obama whitehouse's catch phrases is called bullshit.It's not working for him, and come 2010 it aint gonna work for whole lotta other politicians.
quote]

Just look at the links provided in this thread...
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134108

I will supply more in that thread as I have the time to investigate. But...What happened to Reagan's balanced budget? And yes...Bush is guilty as charged as well.

It is becoming a free wielding/spending government right in front of our own eyes.

How are we to pay back China all the loans we have commited to that country?

And I remember as a youth of only 9 or 10 the remarks that communist China said....America will not be a country that could be defeated by attack but from the inside out.

I don't know but I think China would never have loaned us so much without knowing a way they could get paid back , which makes me wonder.... keep me posted with what you come across.

[hope4dopes]

it's easy to excite/incite the simpletons

George does your mother know your playing around on the computer again.....what did she have to take your big brother to little league practice.

[z0sa]

the very existence of this topic, and its question, denotes what a bunch of fucking dumbshit unaware retards comprise the majority of this country and the rest of the world. just the fact you used 'personalities' in your heading and yet don't consider the question rhetorical barely scratches the surface of how god-awful fucking stupid you and the rest of the cable news network audience is.

[boutons_deux]

they are, above all, employees, doing their employers' bidding of generating audience to sell advertising. aka

Only The News The Corp Sees Fit To Sell Ads

Is why you won't see any corporate media attacking a huge advertising milk cow like BigPharma.

[SouthernFried]

There could be serious "investigative reporting" on every branch of govt and the corruption and waste going on in just about every aspect of it.

From Dept of Education, SS, welfare, medicaid, Military, Justice, etc...There is waste, corruption, fraud, incompetence at every level and on massive scales. How much of our huge deficits and debt are a result of the lack of accountability the press is supposed to hold the govt...accountable for?

Instead, we get talking points from the govt, and just about every media outlet broadcasts them. Regurgitating them almost verbatim. Gotten to the point that the exact same sentences can be heard on ABC, NBC, CBS, etc...at the exact same time of day. Limbaugh (like him or hate him) is pretty good at putting "montages" together, where a bunch of "journalists" on differing networks, repeat the exact same phrases and talking points...at the exact same time.

The govt decided it needed more money, and tobacco companies became its target. Over the next few months, a concerted media barrage went after them, then...voila! Tobacco companies paying billions to govt.

One example of many, of how lockstep govt and media have become. Instead of being the constitutional "watchdog" of govt abuse...its become the biggest proponent...as long as the govt and media agree on the targets. The Press have become the govt's attack dogs.

Govt and media should never agree. Media should be just as antagonistic towards the current administration...as it was the last administration...and it's not.

It should be antagonistic towards EVERY administration. That's its job. If it likes the current administration, it's going to be reluctant to find faults, and more supportive of its merits...as seen by them. Journalists have become activists...becoming journalists because they want to "change things" or "make a difference."

That's not their job...go into politics if you want to do that. Journalists jobs are to investigate and report, as impartially and accurately as possible. And their #1 job is to keep govt honest...it's why the constitution specifically mentions the press. Not to support govt. Not just investigate them when they don't like the current crop on incumbents. It needs to CONSTANTLY investigate them and keep them honest.

We've lost that big time.

The only way to find out anything about govt abuse now...is to go to the "opposing" media these days. You want to find abuse during BUSH years? Go to ABC, CNN, etc...
You want to find abuse during OBAMA...go to talk radio, and mebbe FOX.

"Journalism" has taken sides. There is no impartial journalism these days. It's a disgrace, and its roots can be found in Journalism Schools...where "social activism" has become more important than actual "journalism." Journalism is now about changing things, instead of reporting them. Mostly its become anti-capitalism and social change.

Some would say this is a "noble" goal.

I say it's not a Journalists goal.

rant over...

[George Gervin's Afro]

There could be serious "investigative reporting" on every branch of govt and the corruption and waste going on in just about every aspect of it.

From Dept of Education, SS, welfare, medicaid, Military, Justice, etc...There is waste, corruption, fraud, incompetence at every level and on massive scales. How much of our huge deficits and debt are a result of the lack of accountability the press is supposed to hold the govt...accountable for?

Instead, we get talking points from the govt, and just about every media outlet broadcasts them. Regurgitating them almost verbatim. Gotten to the point that the exact same sentences can be heard on ABC, NBC, CBS, etc...at the exact same time of day. Limbaugh (like him or hate him) is pretty good at putting "montages" together, where a bunch of "journalists" on differing networks, repeat the exact same phrases and talking points...at the exact same time.

The govt decided it needed more money, and tobacco companies became its target. Over the next few months, a concerted media barrage went after them, then...voila! Tobacco companies paying billions to govt.

One example of many, of how lockstep govt and media have become. Instead of being the constitutional "watchdog" of govt abuse...its become the biggest proponent...as long as the govt and media agree on the targets. The Press have become the govt's attack dogs.

Govt and media should never agree. Media should be just as antagonistic towards the current administration...as it was the last administration...and it's not.

It should be antagonistic towards EVERY administration. That's its job. If it likes the current administration, it's going to be reluctant to find faults, and more supportive of its merits...as seen by them. Journalists have become activists...becoming journalists because they want to "change things" or "make a difference."

That's not their job...go into politics if you want to do that. Journalists jobs are to investigate and report, as impartially and accurately as possible. And their #1 job is to keep govt honest...it's why the constitution specifically mentions the press. Not to support govt. Not just investigate them when they don't like the current crop on incumbents. It needs to CONSTANTLY investigate them and keep them honest.

We've lost that big time.

The only way to find out anything about govt abuse now...is to go to the "opposing" media these days. You want to find abuse during BUSH years? Go to ABC, CNN, etc...
You want to find abuse during OBAMA...go to talk radio, and mebbe FOX.

"Journalism" has taken sides. There is no impartial journalism these days. It's a disgrace, and its roots can be found in Journalism Schools...where "social activism" has become more important than actual "journalism." Journalism is now about changing things, instead of reporting them. Mostly its become anti-capitalism and social change.

Some would say this is a "noble" goal.

I say it's not a Journalists goal.

rant over...

rush limbaugh = captain obvious

[SouthernFried]

rush limbaugh = captain obvious

Quick lesson in Free Markets and Capitalism...

If the press were doing its job...Limbaugh and others wouldn't have jobs.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Quick lesson in Free Markets and Capitalism...

If the press were doing its job...Limbaugh and others wouldn't have jobs.

limbuagh made the comment that the democrats would make the healthcare bill a kennedy bill? how is that the media not doing their job? considering universal healthcare was a staple of kennedy's life it would make sense to name this bill after it's champion passes away? oh wait capt oobvious makes the comment and he's nostradomas now. so please explain how limbaugh is doing the mdeia's job. this should be funny..

[elbamba]

Journalism has always taken sides in America, since we needed to raise arms against the French and Indian union. During Washington's presidency two sharp political parties came forward and both had plenty of journalists ready to spin the news as they saw fit.

[AFBlue]

The news provided on morning cable shows and primetime cable shows is the most slanted on television depending on what channel you're on. If you want "journalism", try watching some mid-day or mid-night broadcasts...or get BBC World News for a global perspective.

I absolutely hate how partisan MSNBC and FoxNews have gotten...it's so blatantly transparent and it makes me sick.

[BRHornet45]

sons it is all for entertainment ... if you want real news, then I suggest you listen to the Honorable Pastor / Doctor James David Manning. god bless

[SouthernFried]

I absolutely hate how partisan MSNBC and FoxNews have gotten...it's so blatantly transparent and it makes me sick.

Funny...I was saying the exact same thing back in 1980...when I basically quit watching TV news.

But it was about ABC, CBS, NBC, and NPR

[MannyIsGod]

Neither, they're entertainers. Also, Zosa just knocked you the fuck out. The thread title is pretty fucking funny when you consider the question being asked.

[Spurminator]

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