Negatives/Positives of Doubtful Sjax Trade

[holcs50]

Well, thought i'd summarize some points from the other thread. First, I'm all for sjax to come, don't think it will happen, NY (idk why he would want to go there???, if he wants a winner) could prob offer more, cavs might have some pieces to throw up, mavs could throw jet out there-compared to bonner and mason. Player wise they don't compare but if the GSW really wants future salary flexibility then it could work. this is a pro take on sjax (duh)

Negatives

-SJax is 3/4 years older than mason
-wear and tear from playing high minutes and 31
-history of drama/bad attitude
-Tolerable contract money wise but length wise its a bear
-We already have enough scorers
-Can slack on D
-Will be in very tight salary situations for the next few year (no flex)

Positives (and refutes to negatives)

-Jack is better than mason in everyway. I don't understand anyone comparing mason to jax,beyond me. Jax has performed strong in the playoffs for multiple teams to where mase played like a bencher on a WNBA team last playoffs-mase is slow, one dimensional, shorter. Don't let time erase all of your feelings at the end of the playoffs, he's a dime a dozen

-With quite a few options around at SG/SF it will allow SJax and all the other players like manu, like jeff, to play much lower MPG-thus I think sjax can remain a good player at least for 3 more years

-Jax attitude when on the spurs was great. When he got into situations with shady players he had some trouble. Surround him w/ spurs players and his positives come out such as his fire/excitement/ability to get the crowd and teammates into it-a thing that all spurs fans can admit lacks quite a bit sometimes

-Would be absolutely a big time insurance play if nothing else. Yes, I believe manu will come back and be damn good-but no one knows for sure, plus with Sjax we really can play manu between 20-30 mins a game, thus extending them both. Worst case scenario manu comes back gets reinjured or is a shell of himself-without sjax its bad news-with sjax still a contender

-Provide a guy who knows how to get it done on the O side. Guy has progressed in his abilities and can step up and make some huge shots. He can put it on the floor, hit 3's, good FT shooter, good size. I think his percentages would go up with lower minutes and playing in the spurs system-he knows how it goes-share. I can't believe I'm reading spurs fans after last years playoffs complaining about too many scorers!!! Wow. I know manu was out and now we have jeff but c'mon if you can add a guy who has a real talent to put the ball in the hoop you do it-spurs are still very passive at times-we all know the infinite dry spells that happen

-His D is better than people think- look at his situations/teams he's been on, he was asked to mainly score. He knows he will have to play D if playing under pop again. And anyone who thinks he can't do that hasn't been watching. I've seen him play good to great defense over the last few years in spells-he is capable and his size causes problems.

-Keeps jax out of a contender like the lady mavs/cavs


Ultimately, it still is a pipe dream, but if there is any chance at all some calls should be made. I recall the Pop/Buford going to Holt and saying some cash needs to be put into this team before it's too late. Holt has done that and brilliantly-but if he's serious you at least need to explore the option. This year will be a wash salary wise but next year will be definite lux tax again-but it seems Holt is willing to take that leap for TDs remaining years, so it should be doable again IF GS would consider Boner and mase. Spurs fans go get your season tickets, i would if i lived in SA! Ill be there for a few though no doubt :toast

Additions to negs and positives? throw em out there

[holcs50]

P.S. Ducks imagine your Ben Stiller, now take some advice from Robert Downey Jr.

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[z0sa]

someone should just ban ducks. there's got to be a rule against never using punctuation or proper grammar of any sort 60,000 or more times.

[Chieflion]

First of all, Jackson is 31 and Mason is about 29 when the season starts.

On RealGM, there were discussions about Jackson being moved. Most Warrior fans just want expirings and a late first. Some modifications to save the Spurs some money could be made to serve our purposes.

Spurs send Mason, Bonner, Finley, 1st rounder top 23 protected and 2.5 million cash to Warriors for Stephen Jackson.

The Warriors then buy-out Finley and we sign him back to fill our shooter needs after he clears waivers.

This helps the Spurs cut lux tax while gaining more firepower and defense while helping GSW continue their rebuild and help them remove Jackson's contract.

[honestfool84]

i like how you use his D (defense) as a pro AND con:


-Can slack on D


-His D is better than people think- look at his situations/teams he's been on, he was asked to mainly score. He knows he will have to play D if playing under pop again. And anyone who thinks he can't do that hasn't been watching. I've seen him play good to great defense over the last few years in spells-he is capable and his size causes problems.

[Muser]

He cancels out the Mavs/Lakers matchup problems

That enough is worth it

[ffadicted]

No thanks, I like being younger, and we have enough scoring capability to go around.

[Muser]

I posted this as a real possibility so many times these past months....

bandwagoners....

Cool, have a cookie for your troubles.

[ducks]

jackson 27% last playoffs
after logging big minutes

[td_tp_manu]

Peter Holt: Pop, no more 10mm+ guys pls...

[holcs50]

i like how you use his D (defense) as a pro AND con:

Yep the whole point of the negatives was to refute them as i listed. And like i said earlier anyone who thinks he's some awful defender "hasn't been watching", because when he wants to play-which he would have to under pop, he can play some amazing D. I've seen him on the warriors plays kobe as hard as anyone has for a stretch of time....on the spurs he would be asked to do it the whole time-i have no doubts he would happily do it if he knew the team he's with is playing for is a championship contender. Jax attitude is great when put with the right mix of guy-we all have noticed he really does give a fuck about his teammates-he would be amazing again. no doubt imo

[Brazil]

I don't understand how some people reject the idea of Jax in the case of a trade for whoever outside the big 4 and Mcd.

[Seventyniner]

Another negative of trading for Jax is the possibility of not being able to re-sign Manu when his contract is up. Holt (et al) may be willing to take a tax hit for this year and next, but Jackson's contract is probably a deal-breaker.

[gospursgojas]

Another negative of trading for Jax is the possibility of not being able to re-sign Manu when his contract is up. Holt (et al) may be willing to take a tax hit for this year and next, but Jackson's contract is probably a deal-breaker.

Manu is done with basketball when his contract is up.... he maybe done with walking by then

[lotr1trekkie]

Manu is white. He will sign for less in order to stay in SA. If the FO has any doubts about Manu's health they better pull the trigger on SJax . I'd love to keep Bonner instead of Mahimni because he is a 6' 10' 3 point shooter. Ian might fit in better in a run and gun offense.

[Bruno]

Spurs still have a lot of offensive options. They don't need another volume shooter but an efficient one. SJax isn't an efficient shooter. Even if SJax is a way better offensive talent than Mason, it won't translate with current Spurs roster.

SJax isn't a great defender but he is significantly better than Mason or Finley. However this upgrade isn't worth taking his huge contract.

[Spursfan092120]

Manu is white.
could have sworn he was Argentinian

[TMTTRIO]

Manu is done with basketball when his contract is up.... he maybe done with walking by then

I doubt that. If he stays healthy this year which I still think he can be Manu has already said he wanted to play for a few more years. Yes I do there's a possibility though that Manu may end up playing somewhere else though after this season.

[anonoftheinternets]

could have sworn he was Argentinian

well he's actually italian.

[antimvp]

Jackson avg last year was 20-5-6.5:wow

[lennyalderette]

They want at least one white guy on the team (Bonner). Racists....
:lol

[lennyalderette]

Manu is done with basketball when his contract is up.... he maybe done with walking by then
dont think so buddy, did you forget who were talking about here? manu has stated he sill has five more years!! i think its crazy, but seriously manu wont be done until a major injury imo

[cherylsteele]

Jackson avg last year was 20-5-6.5:wow

Add to that 3.9 TO's/game.

[Steve-O-Matic]

Add to that 3.9 TO's/game.

True, but that was while playing a lot of point forward, 40 mpg, at that frenetic Warriors pace. On a per possession basis it wasn't a bad stat at all.

[jag]

could have sworn he was Argentinian

Are "white" people only from New Hampshire or something?

[xtremesteven33]

Jackson may be more offensively eratic than Mason but thats what i want to see more out of this current spurs team. I think we have the talent to run and gun more and run some more motion offense instead of running set plays all the time.

Jax can also play PG people may forget. Sure he isnt the most efficient but im willing to bet he would make a better PG insurance policy than Mason....

[holcs50]

Spurs still have a lot of offensive options. They don't need another volume shooter but an efficient one. SJax isn't an efficient shooter. Even if SJax is a way better offensive talent than Mason, it won't translate with current Spurs roster.

SJax isn't a great defender but he is significantly better than Mason or Finley. However this upgrade isn't worth taking his huge contract.

I get your mentality, I mean the contract is large and makes things pretty tough...what i figured though was Holt takes a hit until TDs contract is done-well winning 'chips isn't really a hit :hat but you know what im saying. After next year the team can evaluate how manu performed-if good resign for a 2/3 year contract, lux tax will def play in next year, if for some reason another injury comes or he isn't anywhere near he was resign for much less or let him walk. In summer of 2011 jeffs contract is up and he can be re-evaluated. So in actuality the only year that is probably for sure lux tax is next.

And how sjax played on his other teams is not indicative of how his role/play would be with the spurs. If he's serious about winning he knows he would play less minutes and his stats would go down-in a role where he is one of quite a few scorers and pops system he would do great. Again his attitude must be right.

All im trying to say is the option needs to be explored. Calls and questions should be made and asked. This is a situation that would no doubt make the spurs more exciting, better, and would just give the team just a depth of guys who can really step up in the 4th/playoffs. And again all for what ? mase and bonner-hahha, these guys are soooo replaceable its not even funny.

2009 playoffs guys, 09 playoffs-yea i remember how much mason and boner helped, do you?

[weebo]

SJax won't becoming to SA no matter what. I believe the roster is set as is and no more moves will be made.

[honestfool84]

sjax won't becoming to sa no matter what. I believe the roster is set as is and no more moves will be made.

+1

[holcs50]

SJax won't becoming to SA no matter what. I believe the roster is set as is and no more moves will be made.

umm, pretty much all of this feel this way also as said plenty of times before, BUT the fact is there's still a slight chance considering everything.

[hater]

Jax for Mason + Bonner is a nobrainer. come on. when is the last time Mason or Bonner were clutch in the playoffs??

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I can only see the Spurs FO doing this if they think Manu's not going to be 100%, but right now there's no indication of such a thing, in fact Pop seems pretty happy with the health department, judging on his latest interviews.

Jax is a good player who will probably make Spurs a bit better defensively this season, but his contract would be a liability down the line.

Pass.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I see it possibly as a liability, but more often than not a benefit. If we're going to lose TD in 3 yrs anyway..why not stack the deck now? Those expiring contracts become assets later on. We can reload just as easily

Because cap space >>>>> expiring contracts.

Even Jax's biggest supporters understand that he'll justify his contract for a season or two, but what happens after that? 20M+ on the books and possibly little value. I'd be surprised if the Spurs take on that contract, because it's too expensive for what he offers.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Versus 14 million a year for a fourth option on the team?
:lol

Nice logic there.

So you're trading RJ for Jax+ fillers?

[SonOfAGun]

Spurs would have a crazy full PASSION BUCKET with contributions from Blair & Jackson off the bench.

I'll never forget the Mavs-Warriors series.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I would rather not and I doubt GS wants RJ (2yrs left..they want expiring contracts). But If I had to make a trade I'd take Jax and..."insert Maggette" any day over RJ.

OK, makes a bit more sense this time. So, 14 mil over 2 years is too much for a 4th option, but 10 mil over 4 years is not too much for a 4th option?

[Spur|n|Austin]

I posted this as a real possibility so many times these past months....

bandwagoners....

Yeah we've heard you the last couple times. And it's not happening anyways, so doesn't that make you wrong?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Depends on how you look at it. I look at SJax as a trade asset later on. We can ship him off to Cuban or Kerr at PHX for some nice kicbacks later. There is always a idiotic GM somewhere to be taken advantaged of

Because taking on long term bad contracts is the way forward, as proven by the Knicks and their recent success.

[Agloco]

Four years ago this is a no brainer. Today? Well........

[Blackjack]

Should the Spurs Buy a Ticket to the Stephen Jackson Sweepstakes?
by Graydon Gordian

As many of you may already know, Stephen Jackson has stated publicly (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4430906) that he would like to be traded by the Golden State Warriors. He mentioned the Texas Three-Step, Cleveland, and New York as potential landing spots. This all begs the question: should the Spurs attempt to trade for Stephen Jackson?

Keep reading → (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/08/30/should-the-spurs-buy-a-ticke-to-the-s-jax-sweepstakes/)

[Sisk]

could have sworn he was Argentinian

what's an argentinian?

Argentine

and, Argentina is over 90% white.. mostly italian/spanish
:bang

[Sisk]

Argentinian is technically "white" ( an all around made up term), that country had a "whites only" policy instituted during the 16-1800's. This is the same time the term "white" was beginning to be used to racialize the slave trade.

Your getting mixed with white=Aryan. Hitler (and Mussolini) thought less of Darker Italians (mostly Sicilians)and Spanish (mostly Moores) and didn't consider them Aryan (equally, just as made up).

so i guess black is an "all around made up term" too.. which by your logic, everything is "made up" at one point or another..

anyways

let's get jax

[Parker2112]

Argentinian = Nationality.
White = Ethnicity.

Apples and oranges.

[mookie2001]

dude white is not an ethnicity

[mookie2001]

Argentina is over 90% white.. mostly italian/spanish

thats what all those chodes would want you to think

since theyre european and on a different level than other spanish speaking countries

dont forget GERMAN too

theres a fucking shitload of germanic peoples over there, they love germans in argentina

[mookie2001]

historically

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Trade manu for Sjax, straight up

[Chieflion]

Trade manu for Sjax, straight up
Warriors would have to throw in Brendan Wright, Anthony Randolph or Stephen Curry.

[Kori Ellis]

what's an argentinian?

Argentine


Just so you know, it's the same thing to say Argentine, Argentinian, or Argentinean.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/spanish/Argentine

[mookie2001]

Just so you know, it's the same thing to say Argentine, Argentinian, Argentinean or Chodes



RUINED UGLY STYLE

F you argentineians

[Sisk]

Argentinian = Nationality.
White = Ethnicity.

Apples and oranges.

........Argentine

[gospursgojas]

I think I finally understand the whole manu argentine white thing.

Now jax....black right?

[Parker2112]

dude white is not an ethnicity

white=caucasian=ethnicity. no one ever came from the white republic, the white emirates or the united states of white.

[UnWantedTheory]

white=caucasian=ethnicity. no one ever came from the white republic, the white emirates or the united states of white.

Lol...Yes. Tis' true. But why are we caring about this? :sleep

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