Former 1st round draft pick stationed in IRAQ [Archive]

spursfan1000

08-30-2009, 06:59 PM

Tim James, a first-round draft pick of the Heat in 1999, is now stationed in Iraq.
"I got my degree, lived the life I was able, have my freedom and became a professional athlete," James told the Associated Press last week. "I'm the example of the American dream."
James is stationed 85 miles north of Baghdad.
"In life, we all have different desires and needs," said Leonard Hamilton, James' college coach. "With the passion he has, he had to go fulfill this. I'm in total support of Tim and what he's doing. He's at peace. All we can do is hope he comes back safely."
James played in just 43 NBA games for the Heat, Hornets and 76ers before a short stint in Europe.
"I think of myself as a patriot," James said. "I wanted to give back to a country that gave so much to me."

This donsen't happen too often so I thought I should post it.

bringbackmario

08-30-2009, 09:59 PM

sounds like a good guy, hope he comes back safely.

samikeyp

08-30-2009, 09:59 PM

sounds like a good guy, hope he comes back safely.

:toast

NRHector

08-30-2009, 11:03 PM

What a dumbass.
why?

N4th4n

08-31-2009, 03:00 AM

What a dumbass.

Someone needs to shoot you in the fucking face.

boutons_deux

08-31-2009, 05:16 AM

manufan10

08-31-2009, 08:54 AM

:rolleyes

Some of you guys are pathetic.

Hope he's safe and returns safely. God bless him for being brave enough to sign up for the military.

spursncowboys

08-31-2009, 10:01 AM

"I wanted to give back to a country that gave so much to me."

Lots of ways to do that without risking your life in dubya's bullshit bogus war-for-oil that's unwinnable in an manner other than DoD spin-job "win".

He seems like a decent guy, just stupid and uncreative as a brick.
I was going to start to decipher your non factual statements but this is sports so I won't. But I am a veteran and don't know very many of guys I was with in Iraq who ok'd any war. They just went. The politicians can decide when, where and why as long as at the end of the day my family is safe with the constitution to protect them. Pussy!

stretch

08-31-2009, 10:06 AM

This donsen't happen too often so I thought I should post it.

nice one, chode.

you should have thought to let someone else post this.

What a dumbass.

:lmao

boutons_deux

08-31-2009, 10:12 AM

"at the end of the day my family is safe with the constitution to protect them"

so tell how dubya's bogus war-for-oil made your family safe.

SonOfAGun

08-31-2009, 10:40 AM

If he survives, he will one day hit that death bed and be able to think back and be proud of himself for risking his life to grow stronger as an individual.

Who would want that, amirightboutons?

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 12:13 PM

Just like the murdering US soldiers are doing right now to innocent Iraqis right now? Yeah, that was real smart of that clown to support his country in Bush and Cheyney's illegal war for profit. You do have the choice to make sensible decisions in life, but you sheep can always be counted on.

my man. youre entitled to your opinion but stfu with stuff u dont know anything about. regardless of what decisions our leaders make, you are a citizen of the nation and if he felt obligated or the willingness to make a difference, he should be applauded. i joined the marine corps after hs and did 2 tours in iraq not because i felt i needed to support the beliefs or ideas of bush, but to make a difference and stand up for our country. i was still able to go to college and now grad school after my 4 years of service.

so as i have said you are entitled to your opinions, i am entitled to mine and you are a fucken moron. thank you

N4th4n

08-31-2009, 12:18 PM

N4th4n

08-31-2009, 12:48 PM

:lol

Even after the criminals that started this so-called war have admitted they lied, you can still count on Americans for support. Good ol dumb American.

Did I say I supported the war? All I said was you are a sheep and the world would be better off without you. Impressive extrapolation.

I. Hustle

08-31-2009, 12:59 PM

Lakaluva are you one of those that believes we shouldn't have a military? Just asking.

lil_penny

08-31-2009, 01:06 PM

I'm not going to go off with my opinions on the war.... I've got alot of love for the troops past and present.

I. Hustle

08-31-2009, 01:26 PM

Of course we should, why?

Just asking. I know some people that are completely against having a military.

Mel_13

08-31-2009, 01:27 PM

Of course we should, why?

How do you propose that we maintain an adequate military when you describe enlisting in the military as the act of a "dumbass"?

I. Hustle

08-31-2009, 01:46 PM

How do you propose that we maintain an adequate military when you describe enlisting in the military as the act of a "dumbass"?

Kind of where I was going with it. That's what prompted the question.

Mel_13

08-31-2009, 02:03 PM

Don't worry friend, we will never have a problem maintaining an adequate military with the patriotic people we have this country. All you have to do is say Muslim, or Communist, or Socialism, and dumb rednecks and negroes from all over the country rush to their local recruiters office.

Question: If I told you your neighbor slept with your wife, and claimed I had proof of this, then later told you I was lying, would you still go question and accuse your neighbor for sleeping with your wife? This is just all hypothetical, so don't take it personal.

So you continue to maintain a military filled with dumb, yet patriotic, citizens is adequate to meet the legitimate needs of the nation?

Mel_13

08-31-2009, 02:18 PM

Answer the question.

The question was confusing and irrelevant. If you wish to pose a question using the actual scenario being discussed rather than poorly worded hypothetical analogies, I will.

Will you answer my question based on the actual scenario and your prior posts?

Do you believe that a military sufficient to meet the needs of the nation can be maintained from the ranks of patriotic citizens "dumb" enough to be duped into military service?

Mel_13

08-31-2009, 02:34 PM

You should start over. Go back to the beginning, and you'll see that your very first question was an assumption.

So you didn't call the soldier that is the subject of this thread a "dumbass".

And these are not your words?

Yeah, that was real smart of that clown to support his country in Bush and Cheyney's illegal war for profit. You do have the choice to make sensible decisions in life, but you sheep can always be counted on.

And later:

Don't worry friend, we will never have a problem maintaining an adequate military with the patriotic people we have this country. All you have to do is say Muslim, or Communist, or Socialism, and dumb rednecks and negroes from all over the country rush to their local recruiters office.

What, pray tell, have I assumed that is not based on the words you posted?

Mel_13

08-31-2009, 02:45 PM

Obviously. Now move on.

Now that you have acknowledged your ignorance of what the nation requires in the composition of the military forces, I will.

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 02:46 PM

You mean to tell me you went to the Marines, and you're heading into to grad school, and you still turned out this fucking stupid. No idiot, you did two tours in Iraq because you only had one other choice, prison. Knowing that, you put your head down like a good little brainwashed American soldier, followed the orders of your commander in chief, and willingly chose to go murder people who had not even made a threat to our country.:toast
ok fucken moron. i joined in 2002 after 9.11. dont think i knew there was a strong chance i would go to war??? dont tell me what choice i had or did not have, you dont know shit.

your the kind of muther fucker that pisses off the servicemen because all u do is sit on your ass and make assumptions about shit you have never experienced and never will.

its one thing to disagree with the war, i know plenty of military and civilians who share the same sentiments but to call someone who sacrificed his life of freedom here in the states stupid or retarded is fucken ignorant

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 02:50 PM

Why do you guys let LL bother you? It is what he does. For God's sake, the man needed a tutor for Calculus!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mel_13

08-31-2009, 03:01 PM

Which still doesn't take away from the fact that he is dumb for joining a military that is without a shadow of a doubt fighting two unjustified wars. I wouldn't even call them wars at this point, its pretty much just pillaging.

And you continue to chase your tail.

After your initial statements in this thread, if you would have said that you did not believe the nation should have a military, that would have been consistent. It also would have been your opinion and I never try to change someone's opinion on issues such as these.

You, however, said the nation needed a military. I will assume that you would agree that the nation's military should be of the highest possible quality.

Well the nation's military can not be properly maintained if the ranks are only filled with those "dumb" enough to join in the current conditions. If only "dumb" citizens join during the current conflicts, what will the military look like when the nation is presented with a "justified" war?

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 03:03 PM

If you want to shut LL up, just post this:

http://www.equationsheet.com/png/0293.png

manufan10

08-31-2009, 03:10 PM

If you want to shut LL up, just post this:

http://www.equationsheet.com/png/0293.png

:lol

Mel_13

08-31-2009, 03:15 PM

Stop it, you're reaching here. My claim of the US military being filled with a bunch of dummies is not an opinion at all. I've worked with them... Army, Navy, and Marines.

So now you are saying that the American military is populated with "dummies" and these same "dummies" are adequate to protect the nation?:lol

You were right, time to move on.

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 03:22 PM

Stop it, you're reaching here. My claim of the US military being filled with a bunch of dummies is not an opinion at all. I've worked with them... Army, Navy, and Marines.

i would love to see you in public but we all know you wouldnt make those comments when ure confronted with a marine.

bringbackmario

08-31-2009, 03:23 PM

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 03:28 PM

:lol

You clown. You sound just like dumb Marine. I would punish you.

sitting behind the screen......

BUMP

08-31-2009, 03:40 PM

I've been around here awhile and this is some of the best trolling i've ever seen.

If only he was as good in school, as he was in trolling :lol

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 03:40 PM

i would love to see you in public but we all know you wouldnt make those comments when ure confronted with a marine.

If you bring this as your weapon, you will murder Lakaluva:

http://bbruner.org/scicalc/fig/ti83.jpg

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 03:53 PM

:lol

Look at my fan. You go, son.

You cannot troll me girl. If you are like Dracula then this is my cross:

http://www.qcalculus.com/images/xy-axis-derivative.gif

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 03:58 PM

You need a tutor to get a "C" :lmao

So by your definition, you are the leader of the military?

BadOdor

08-31-2009, 04:04 PM

You need a tutor to get a "C" :lmao

So by your definition, you are the leader of the military?

lol ginobili insulted people because he's an atheist:lol:lol:lol

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:05 PM

u in socal? wanna meet up and have a chat? shoot me a pm bro. we'll keep it civil i promise

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:06 PM

lol I am a pink douche. I wish I could start threads:lol:lol:lol

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:07 PM

If you bring this as your weapon, you will murder Lakaluva:

http://bbruner.org/scicalc/fig/ti83.jpg

naw man. dont even need the graphing calculator. a casio calculator watch will do

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:07 PM

BadOdor, start your own thread, get out of mine.

BadOdor

08-31-2009, 04:08 PM

Get the fuck out here bashing Manu. You know all his cock sucking fans will come in here and pollute my thread.

Son, who'se bashing manu? This dumfuck DPG got owned in this thread where he cried that manu was insulting christians because he said in a private interview in his website that he didn't believe in god:lol

BadOdor

08-31-2009, 04:09 PM

u in socal? wanna meet up and have a chat? shoot me a pm bro. we'll keep it civil i promise

lol luva apparantly was right about how dumb you marines are:lol:lol:lol

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:11 PM

Son, who'se bashing manu? This dumfuck DPG got owned in this thread where he cried that manu was insulting christians because he said in a private interview in his website that he didn't believe in god:lol

lol pink
lol 187 posts
lol dumb fu*k pinked in record time

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:12 PM

Oh, I could go on for eternity. You see, they'll argue with me, but they cant argue with raw footage of how dumb and droned they are.

Did they all need tutors to make C's in Calculus? Or is that only for the smart branches of government?

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:13 PM

You little bitch. You would waste my time.

thats exactly wut i thought. keep talking kid.

BUMP

08-31-2009, 04:13 PM

Jeez, if lakaluva put the same amount of effort as he did in trolling, to the classroom or something, he wouldn't be such a dumbfuck.

Kinda like how PacMan Jones didn't give a fuck about playing in the NFL, but was a "warrior" who layed it on the line on Pros vs Joes

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:14 PM

Son, who'se bashing manu? This dumfuck DPG got owned in this thread where he cried that manu was insulting christians because he said in a private interview in his website that he didn't believe in god:lol

lol private interview on the WWW :lol

lol facts are wrong

lol
RLRLhV9U0kQ

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:16 PM

LL is obsessed with me. Then he tries to do some Jedi mind trick by calling me his fan :lol

He is one cool cunny.

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:17 PM

lol http://www.tutorsonnet.com/calculus.jpg

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:19 PM

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turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:19 PM

LL is obsessed with me. Then he tries to do some Jedi mind trick by calling me his fan :lol

He is one cool cunny.

werd. he calls me a bitch i respond to his name calling by calling him out and he bitches out. talk about irony

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:21 PM

Ok, Bump, you take over. Show this troll how to troll. Your still my boy LL. Here is some math you can understand:

LL + Personality + Charm - tutors = DPG

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:23 PM

You not on my level turiaf. The same way I'm owning you in this thread, would be the same way I would own you if we knuckled up. Don't worry, when you wake up, none of this will matter.

so meet up with me bro. ure all talk........ ure owning me in this thread? if by owning u mean looking like a dumbass prick, yes i agree.

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:24 PM

You not on my level turiaf. The same way I'm owning you in this thread, would be the same way I would own you if we knuckled up. Don't worry, when you wake up, none of this will matter.

u in socal? wanna meet up and have a chat? shoot me a pm bro. we'll keep it civil i promise

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:25 PM

:lol

You going to ask to borrow his Spur jersey now. What a little bitch. And dumb too.

u really are retarded if ure trying to make this into a spurs v lakers fan thread.

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:30 PM

:cry:cryYou are an amazing little cunt. I like the part about you :crypatting yourself on the back without contributing not one post relevant to the thread/while I am just trolling myself:cry:cry:cry topic, and then pass it off to bump once you've run out of material. DPG you gave me too much credit, I don't even understand the pictures of the equations you posted:cry:cry.

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 04:31 PM

He is one cool cunny.

You are an amazing little cunt. .

Don't use my words.

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:34 PM

^haha wut a fucken bitch. seriously stfu u pussy. u would punish me? please, you're not even man enough to confront me.

the choice to fight was made when i sore to defend this country that YOU are shitting on. just keep saying ignorant things from the basement of your moms house bro. im done with you. when u want to finally put your money where ure mouth is, let me know. i will gladly take time out of my schedule to spend some quality time with you

stretch

08-31-2009, 04:42 PM

my man. youre entitled to your opinion but stfu with stuff u dont know anything about. regardless of what decisions our leaders make, you are a citizen of the nation and if he felt obligated or the willingness to make a difference, he should be applauded. i joined the marine corps after hs and did 2 tours in iraq not because i felt i needed to support the beliefs or ideas of bush, but to make a difference and stand up for our country. i was still able to go to college and now grad school after my 4 years of service.

so as i have said you are entitled to your opinions, i am entitled to mine and you are a fucken moron. thank you

ok fucken moron. i joined in 2002 after 9.11. dont think i knew there was a strong chance i would go to war??? dont tell me what choice i had or did not have, you dont know shit.

your the kind of muther fucker that pisses off the servicemen because all u do is sit on your ass and make assumptions about shit you have never experienced and never will.

its one thing to disagree with the war, i know plenty of military and civilians who share the same sentiments but to call someone who sacrificed his life of freedom here in the states stupid or retarded is fucken ignorant

i would love to see you in public but we all know you wouldnt make those comments when ure confronted with a marine.

u in socal? wanna meet up and have a chat? shoot me a pm bro. we'll keep it civil i promise

thats exactly wut i thought. keep talking kid.

so meet up with me bro. ure all talk........ ure owning me in this thread? if by owning u mean looking like a dumbass prick, yes i agree.

u really are retarded if ure trying to make this into a spurs v lakers fan thread.

^haha wut a fucken bitch. seriously stfu u pussy. u would punish me? please, you're not even man enough to confront me.

the choice to fight was made when i sore to defend this country that YOU are shitting on. just keep saying ignorant things from the basement of your moms house bro. im done with you. when u want to finally put your money where ure mouth is, let me know. i will gladly take time out of my schedule to spend some quality time with you

The fact that a dumbass like yourself was chosen to operate heavy artillery and serve as a "protector" should make us all feel very uneasy about the direction and headship of the U.S. military. Not only that, but you claim you somehow graduated through 4 years of college. What kind of school did you attend?

Ghazi

08-31-2009, 04:52 PM

If there's one thing I've learned in my interactions with people, whether its on this message board, in a class, at a party, anywhere... it's that 95% of people are either ignorant, stupid, untrustworthy, deceitful, uninteresting, and overall just not very good persons. So I wonder why someone would join the military to "serve" and "defend" millions of these said dumb asses.

Always "serve" and "defend" yourself and yourself only (and your family of course!) :). There's nothing pious about military service, it just confirms that you're either poor or easily indoctrinated or just flat out stupid.

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:53 PM

The fact that a dumbass like yourself was chosen to operate heavy artillery and serve as a "protector" should make us all feel very uneasy about the direction and headship of the U.S. military. Not only that, but you claim you somehow graduated through 4 years of college. What kind of school did you attend?

seriously?? ure going to say someones retarded for typing like they text on msg boards?? and ure going to quote every post from this thread? really??? ......get a life bro.

and if you really want to hear my educational background, i spend 4 years in the marines during which i took most of my GE's online and at a cc. then upon my discharge in 06 i transferred to UCI where i graduated with a BA in criminology in 08. anything else?

BadOdor

08-31-2009, 04:54 PM

seriously?? ure going to say someones retarded for typing like they text on msg boards?? and ure going to quote every post from this thread? really??? ......get a life bro.

and if you really want to hear my educational background, i spend 4 years in the marines during which i too most of my GE's online and at a cc. then upon my discharge in 06 i transferred to UCI where i graduated with a BA in criminology in 08. anything else?

lol, that explains it.

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 04:56 PM

lol, that explains it.

explains how i took classes while serving in the marines all over the world and ended up with a degree from the Univeristy of California at Irvine? yea thanks cuz im damn proud of my accomplishments. what have you done with you're life?

turiaf for president

08-31-2009, 05:01 PM

pussy

Muser

08-31-2009, 05:01 PM

Damn this thread is funny.

DPG21920

08-31-2009, 05:56 PM

:crywhile DPG is scratching my ass about getting a tutor in a Calculus course that I had no interest in:cry:cry

Calling for backup I see. So he is kind of like your tutor?

spursfan1000

08-31-2009, 06:54 PM

nice one, chode.

you should have thought to let someone else post this.

:lmao

If you so fucking stupid to not know I meant to type Dosen't then you are retarded.

IronMexican

08-31-2009, 07:33 PM

Stop the Laker fan on Laker fan violence!

Phillip

08-31-2009, 09:50 PM

seriously?? ure going to say someones retarded for typing like they text on msg boards?? and ure going to quote every post from this thread? really??? ......get a life bro.

and if you really want to hear my educational background, i spend 4 years in the marines during which i took most of my GE's online and at a cc. then upon my discharge in 06 i transferred to UCI where i graduated with a BA in criminology in 08. anything else?

I call bullshit.

Go fuck yourself, dumbass.

stretch

08-31-2009, 09:53 PM

seriously?? ure going to say someones retarded for typing like they text on msg boards?? and ure going to quote every post from this thread? really??? ......get a life bro.

and if you really want to hear my educational background, i spend 4 years in the marines during which i took most of my GE's online and at a cc. then upon my discharge in 06 i transferred to UCI where i graduated with a BA in criminology in 08. anything else?

I didn't have to read any of your posts in this thread to think you are retarded. I already thought that after your previous 1700 posts. This thread just solidified my beliefs.

Kori Ellis

08-31-2009, 10:13 PM

Do you guys ever get tired of acting like you are in junior high?

turiaf for president

09-01-2009, 12:05 AM

I call bullshit.

Go fuck yourself, dumbass.

?? wtf. and why would i bs about all that stuff?

this forum has got to have the most retarded unpatriotic bastards who just waste the air we breath in this country. cant believe y'all can call yourselves americans with the lack or respect to the men and women in uniform who sacrifice their lives for you ungrateful fucks.

a big "fuck you" to all of you assholes.

Phillip

09-01-2009, 06:45 AM

Do you guys ever get tired of acting like you are in junior high?

Do you ever get tired of acting like a pompous bloody tampon that takes things way too seriously?

TDMVPDPOY

09-01-2009, 07:02 AM

you know how every failed cunt at life always blames the country and shit...

well it all comes down to instead of blaming the country, "what can the country do for you. what can you do for the country?"

patriotism is the highest lvl you can do in return for your country given that you have already achieve ur dreams and shit.....

good luck to him anyway....

ambchang

09-01-2009, 08:30 AM

The world was, is, and will always be black and white.

BUMP

09-01-2009, 09:15 AM

Do you ever get tired of acting like a pompous bloody tampon that takes things way too seriously?

:rollin

manufan10

09-01-2009, 09:44 AM

Do you ever get tired of acting like a pompous bloody tampon that takes things way too seriously?

:wow

Damn stretch, what's up with that?

:ban:

jacobdrj

09-01-2009, 09:46 AM

The world was, is, and will always be black and white.

Yeah. Like that episode of Star Trek:
http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/bele_and_lokai_star_trek.jpg

koriwhat

09-01-2009, 10:32 AM

turiaf there's a bunch of middle-aged men on this forum who love to relive their middle-school days. that's all you really need to know about what's going on in this thread... a bunch of cock sucking middle-aged fags who think they're dane cook funny when in reality dane cook fuckin' sucks!

i salute you turiaf even though i don't support the war. i can understand your stance though as some of my family are veterans and respect should be given regardless!

fuck the cock suckers in this thread like LL.

-------

btw, hope that ex-nba player comes back safe.

LnGrrrR

09-01-2009, 11:30 AM

There are obviously some stupid people in the military, and obviously some intelligent people. Signing up for the military does not mean you want "kill Muslims". You may have any other number of goals in mind, of course, just like signing up to work on McDonalds does not mean you love to slaughter animals or signing up to work at Target means you love exploiting children in sweatshops.

LnGrrrR

09-01-2009, 11:34 AM

Always "serve" and "defend" yourself and yourself only (and your family of course!) :). There's nothing pious about military service, it just confirms that you're either poor or easily indoctrinated or just flat out stupid.

I enjoy serving due to being a patriot yes, but I'm not an idiot. We also get relatively good pay, job security, a chance to travel, training opportunities, education, free health care, and 30 days of paid vacation per year. Nothing stupid about that.

The military allows those who DO come from a poor/middle class background a chance at bettering themselves socially, economically, physically and mentally.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-01-2009, 11:52 AM

Do you ever get tired of acting like a pompous bloody tampon that takes things way too seriously?

:wow

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-01-2009, 11:57 AM

Findog

09-01-2009, 12:18 PM

My view on this:

I agree with Lakaluva 100% that this war is bogus horseshit that should have never been started.

At the same time, you cannot criticize someone for going to serve his country. It's distasteful, and you're playing right into Bush's game. Being against a war doesn't mean you're against the troops, George Bush has said countless times anyone who opposes the war is dishonoring the troops, and he did that to scare people into thinking that opposing a war makes you unpatriotic.

+1. I'll also add that I can respect a pro-war person that puts their money where their mouth is and goes and fights. What I can't stand is chickenhawk cowards, the able-bodied that are eligible to serve and voice support for the war, yet can't find their way to a recruiting office.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-01-2009, 12:29 PM

What I can't stand is chickenhawk cowards, the able-bodied that are eligible to serve and voice support for the war, yet can't find their way to a recruiting office.

Truth, people my age who support the war need to put up or shut up.

There's a huge difference between supporting a war, and supporting a war as long as they're sending poor, inner city 18 year olds to go fight to do shit you're too chicken shit to do.

Halberto

09-01-2009, 12:39 PM

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-01-2009, 12:41 PM

Bush don't give a fuck about the American troops

I never said otherwise. Just to re-clarify, my only disagreement with your views on Iraq is that you're calling someone a "dumbass" for fighting in a war for his country. Everything else, politics wise, I agree on.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-01-2009, 12:54 PM

I know, I just took that quote and spoke on it.

I see.

mingus

09-01-2009, 01:08 PM

Lakaluva, once again, showing he's a fool in this thread.

mavs>spurs2

09-01-2009, 01:18 PM

Turiaf just showing that he's a typical military douche, trying to meet up and fight just because someone says something you don't agree with on a messageboard. You remind me of the recruiters that wouldn't leave me the fuck alone for 2 years after i was already enrolled in a university and said a thousand times to fuck off. One of them even got all pissy and wanted to meet up, just like you. I'm sorry to say, although a little extreme, Lakaluva is right on a lot of points. It IS a bogus, unwinnable war, and our troops are just mindless brainwashed pawns that the government doesn't give a fuck about. I'm all for America but we currently have a bunch of idiots running the country from the inside out.

What are we even fighting for? Democracy in a country who's citizens don't want democracy and even more-so than that hate Americans and don't want us there? Is that the bullshit they're feeding these days? *Cough oil reserves cough* I wouldn't even consider supporting any of this blasphemy and brutality. The day Russia, North Korea, or some other country declares war against us in a LEGIT war is the day I'll join up and be more than willing to risk my life and fight.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-01-2009, 01:24 PM

Turiaf just showing that he's a typical military douche, trying to meet up and fight just because someone says something you don't agree with on a messageboard. You remind me of the recruiters that wouldn't leave me the fuck alone for 2 years after i was already enrolled in a university and said a thousand times to fuck off. One of them even got all pissy and wanted to meet up, just like you. I'm sorry to say, although a little extreme, Lakaluva is right on a lot of points. It IS a bogus, unwinnable war, and our troops are just mindless brainwashed pawns that the government doesn't give a fuck about. I'm all for America but we currently have a bunch of idiots running the country from the inside out.

What are we even fighting for? Democracy in a country who's citizens don't want democracy and even more-so than that hate Americans and don't want us there? I wouldn't even consider supporting any of this blasphemy and brutality. The day Russia, North Korea, or some other country declares war against us in a LEGIT war is the day I'll join up and be more than willing to risk my life and fight.

Agreed on all except the needless comment they're "mindless pawns". They are humans, just like you and I, the only difference between most of them and me is that I was dealt a better hand when I was born......which is why I want us out of that country ASAP so they don't have to risk their lives when all they're trying to do is get into college.

mavs>spurs2

09-01-2009, 01:30 PM

Agreed on all except the needless comment they're "mindless pawns". They are humans, just like you and I, the only difference between most of them and me is that I was dealt a better hand when I was born......which is why I want us out of that country ASAP so they don't have to risk their lives when all they're trying to do is get into college.

I have friends in the military..I've seen the personality changes over the course of their time in the service..they all have that same pompous, arrogant, douchebaggedness to them. In the military they brainwash people. My friend who just got back from Iraq told me straight up that they're feeding us bullshit and WMD's are NOT the reason we're in Iraq. These guys really become brainwashed until they truly believe that the war is justifiable and what they're doing is really right. But you're right they're human, and I feel bad that they have to be in the situation they're in, risking their lives for 30k a year and a pat on the back from Uncle Sam without making a real difference in the world. If I'm going to take another person's life, it better be for a damn good reason.

mingus

09-01-2009, 01:39 PM

ultimately, if he didn't choose to join, he may be somewhere in his life, financially, and/or educationally, that he wouldn't want to be in. and guess what? the U.S. would still be in Iraq.

but he joined and he's bettered his situation - and we're still in Iraq.

whether he fights or he doesn't, we're still in Iraq. however, his decision obviously affects, or has affected, his fincancial and educational situation in a positive way.

he made a practical deicison, yet the idiots in here are calling him an idiot?

the idiot role needs to be reversed.

mingus

09-01-2009, 01:54 PM

after reading further into this thread, just have to comment on how f'ing retarded it is for someone with the level of intelligence of Lakaluva to be calling people retarded/dumb/stupid, etc., esp. when he's perfectly demonstrating his idiocy in his own argument.

mingus

09-01-2009, 02:10 PM

You think I'm hard on you dummies. You should see what the military teaches/brainwashes you about civilians. Ate-up, soup-sandwich, no common sense having idiots is what you are. You're ignorance is at an all-time high to defend people that think you are lower than a slug. Carry on soldier.

you're the one who couldn't even understand a simple implication i was making a week ago or so in a thread, which everyone else seemed to get, and now you're not even answering my response to why i think it's stupid to call Turiaf stupid, and you're calling ME a dummy? :wow

mingus

09-01-2009, 02:12 PM

you also couldn't find out the answer to a simple mathemtical question that my sister, who's fifteen, could answer easily. you're the moron. quit kidding yourself.

LnGrrrR

09-01-2009, 02:14 PM

I'm sorry to say, although a little extreme, Lakaluva is right on a lot of points. It IS a bogus, unwinnable war, and our troops are just mindless brainwashed pawns that the government doesn't give a fuck about.

:rolleyes

Riiiight.

manufan10

09-01-2009, 02:18 PM

:rolleyes

Riiiight.

They're all brainwashed, except his one friend that told him what he wanted to hear. :lol

LnGrrrR

09-01-2009, 02:19 PM

I have friends in the military..I've seen the personality changes over the course of their time in the service..they all have that same pompous, arrogant, douchebaggedness to them. In the military they brainwash people. My friend who just got back from Iraq told me straight up that they're feeding us bullshit and WMD's are NOT the reason we're in Iraq. These guys really become brainwashed until they truly believe that the war is justifiable and what they're doing is really right. But you're right they're human, and I feel bad that they have to be in the situation they're in, risking their lives for 30k a year and a pat on the back from Uncle Sam without making a real difference in the world. If I'm going to take another person's life, it better be for a damn good reason.

Military or army infantry? There's a slight difference...

Also, you have to think of it this way. Commanders are, of course, going to highlight the positives of their mission, in order to better increase morale. It makes sense that many troops will take the positives from their time there, and eventually begin to believe that they are able to win the war. Really, a platoon/squadron/etc would be MUCH less effective if A) they weren't convinced they were 'fighting the good fight' and B) they could positively affect change.

Now, if you want to call that brainwashing, feel free. That's what good leaders tend to do though. They share a vision, and get people to 'buy in' to it. They get people motivated to accomplish the goal laid out for them.

NBAfan83

09-01-2009, 03:20 PM

Of course its brainwashing. You pretty much laid it out perfectly. Bush led an entire nation to fear Arabs. Was he a good leader?

He is right though, the soldiers are already there and are just making the best of the situation.

Placed in the same situation i'm sure even you would "buy" into those laid out principles because out there in the war zone, all you have is your platoon and squadron, nothing else matters. In the war zone either your with us or against us, and if your against us, then gtfo out.

BUMP

09-01-2009, 03:52 PM

werewolf

09-01-2009, 03:56 PM

mingus

09-01-2009, 05:11 PM

:lol

You sure did back off your stance quick. You should change your name to DPG's minion. Pussy.

lol. i didn't back off of shit. it just further solidifies that you're one dumb fuck.

don't want me to bring up evidence that you're a dumb fuck? don't type.

mavs>spurs2

09-01-2009, 06:01 PM

Military or army infantry? There's a slight difference...

Also, you have to think of it this way. Commanders are, of course, going to highlight the positives of their mission, in order to better increase morale. It makes sense that many troops will take the positives from their time there, and eventually begin to believe that they are able to win the war. Really, a platoon/squadron/etc would be MUCH less effective if A) they weren't convinced they were 'fighting the good fight' and B) they could positively affect change.

Now, if you want to call that brainwashing, feel free. That's what good leaders tend to do though. They share a vision, and get people to 'buy in' to it. They get people motivated to accomplish the goal laid out for them.

This is essentially brainwashing because when they tell these soldiers that they're fighting the good fight and really doing something positive, they're feeding them bullshit just to get them through the mission just like the American public was fed bullshit throughout the entire Bush administration. These soldiers, who with their lives on the line and looking for somewhere to draw their mental strength, readily buy into this bullshit and believe in it. In reality this war isn't even winnable because Muslims have been at war with Christians for thousands of years and are very set in their ways, they don't want us or our democracy in their land. The day we leave is the day they go back to doing it their way. Not to mention the little part where we aren't even there to set up a democracy anyway, we're there for oil. So in short yes, I'll take your advice and feel free to call it brainwashing.

LnGrrrR

09-02-2009, 08:54 AM

Of course its brainwashing. You pretty much laid it out perfectly. Bush led an entire nation to fear Arabs. Was he a good leader?

When I think of "brainwashing", I usually think of blatant lying and false representation of facts. I wouldn't say that military leaders are doing either. I'd just say they're accentuating the positive.

Bush with his "mission accomplished" banner though... I think that they engaged much more in misrepresentation of facts. Which is why so many people thought that Iraq had something to do with 9/11, even years after the fact.

LnGrrrR

09-02-2009, 08:56 AM

Speaking of the war, has it ended? I don't hear to much about it any more. Where did all the protesters go? It seems as soon as we elected a new president, all the "War" protesters pulled up their stakes and left.

Well, alot of them pulled up stakes when the agreement was signed under Bush to get us out of there by 2011. If we're not out by then though, or the timeline lags, then people will be up in arms anew.

As well, we haven't heard alot about Afghanistan yet...

stretch

09-02-2009, 08:58 AM

this thread = :td

I know it's especially bad when lakaluva actually is making some sort of sense.

LnGrrrR

09-02-2009, 08:58 AM

This is essentially brainwashing because when they tell these soldiers that they're fighting the good fight and really doing something positive, they're feeding them bullshit just to get them through the mission just like the American public was fed bullshit throughout the entire Bush administration. These soldiers, who with their lives on the line and looking for somewhere to draw their mental strength, readily buy into this bullshit and believe in it. In reality this war isn't even winnable because Muslims have been at war with Christians for thousands of years and are very set in their ways, they don't want us or our democracy in their land. The day we leave is the day they go back to doing it their way. Not to mention the little part where we aren't even there to set up a democracy anyway, we're there for oil. So in short yes, I'll take your advice and feel free to call it brainwashing.

Really? You don't think ANY soldiers are doign ANYTHING positive? What about the troops that go outside the wire to feed and vaccinate children? What about the troops that disarm roadside bombs? Many others join because they feel that they can make a difference, in some small way.

Your idea of brainwashing is very loose, it seems. It would be like you being 'brainwashed' into getting an IRA because a banker explained the positives of it.

Military leaders don't HAVE to explain the negatives... they're all pretty clear.

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 12:51 AM

What a retard. What oil have we got? Do you mean by creating a capitalist society where the oil is traded in the free market there by adding to the supply of oil not control by a cartel like OPEC? Is that your idea of Bush's war for oil. Besides our country being able to buy oil not controlled by murderous socialist dictators, what oil have we gotten for freeing Iraqi's from someone who gassed his own people? I support the war. I was apart of history helping the Iraqis have a better life. America has helped more people than any other Country, except maybe England. More people live a better, healthier life without persecution of religious beliefs because of America and our military. It is a shame that capitalism creates coward like yourself. You get to denounce your government officials because of our military. Because we fought in Korea, Russia did not attack us. Because we fought in Vietnam, China could not make all of Asia communists. Because we went into Iraq, Muslim extremists will not be able to create an alliance from Turkey to Chechnya. lakaluva, you are the one who sounds like a little sheep. The oil thing has been proven wrong, and yet there you are to keep bringing it up. Is it because that is all your professor told you. Do you need to go back to Huffingtonpost to get new marching orders? You don't even have an original thought in your head. THere may be dumb rednecks and negroes in the army but they aren't cowards. To join at a time of war is alot harder than sitting in your comfortable house trashing the people who keep you safe. Do you really think that without the military, we would have any of our rights. How is my family safe because of Iraq? Iraq is a democratic country, and is better off than if Saddam was in control. We showed the world that America will fight. That keeps us very safe. In the cold war, it wasn't until Reagan started spending a higher percent of our GDP that USSR fell. Actually in every aspect, politically and militarily, we are safer and stronger because of the Iraq war. Are we any more safe because your side with the enemy and want to hurt the effort? Have you made our country better or safer being a coward? Vietnamese Communists knew they could hold out until cowards like you took over in America. How many millions were killed by the Communists Vietnamese because America did not help. Do coward like yourself take credit for that? How do you know who is being killed in IRaq? Have you been there? Did you see an innocent IRaqi killed? Did the person who did that be brought up on charges? Did your newsreporter Jon Stewart or Rosie tell you we were killing innocent IRaqis. Maybe you should do some fact checking. YOu are a complete waste of life. Saddam violated 12 UN Resolutions, He killed over a million of his own people with his military. He tortured and killed hundreds of thousands of his own people with his secret police. His people starved to death while he lived lavishly and built up more of his Army (which was the fourth biggest in the world). He invaded and declared war on four of his neighbors. He tried to kill a US president. He shot and killed Americans. He allowed terrorists to train and live in Iraq, as long as they were targeting either Israel or America. He had ties to OBL and Al Qeda.

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 01:09 AM

This is essentially brainwashing because when they tell these soldiers that they're fighting the good fight and really doing something positive, they're feeding them bullshit just to get them through the mission just like the American public was fed bullshit throughout the entire Bush administration. These soldiers, who with their lives on the line and looking for somewhere to draw their mental strength, readily buy into this bullshit and believe in it. In reality this war isn't even winnable because Muslims have been at war with Christians for thousands of years and are very set in their ways, they don't want us or our democracy in their land. The day we leave is the day they go back to doing it their way. Not to mention the little part where we aren't even there to set up a democracy anyway, we're there for oil. So in short yes, I'll take your advice and feel free to call it brainwashing.

Do you have any case studies to prove this? I hate when people say bullshit like it is actual facts. Muslims have been at war with Christians? In Iraq, there is a big christian community. The SHias and SUnnis both love the Christians. The muslim extremists have a problem with everyone. The wahabi's will kill you for growing your hair out. Majority of the 9-11 terrorists were wahabis. You do not know what you are talking about. About believeing in the war, there were alot of people who didn't believe saddam had anything to do with 9-11 and still realized, with everyone coming up thanking us, that iraq is better off without saddam. Do not paint some kind of picture of the soldiers as these naive kids. I would tell my soldiers that we are fighting the good fight. Just because you bought into someones bullshit about the war not being a "just war" do not act like it is finite measurement of fact. It is your Daily Kos liberal "imma bitch" speech.

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 01:16 AM

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Can you assemble, perform a systems check and calibrate 50 cal? Even though they are National Guard, these still have more balls than u.

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 01:31 AM

My view on this:

I agree with Lakaluva 100% that this war is bogus horseshit that should have never been started.

At the same time, you cannot criticize someone for going to serve his country. It's distasteful, and you're playing right into Bush's game. Being against a war doesn't mean you're against the troops, George Bush has said countless times anyone who opposes the war is dishonoring the troops, and he did that to scare people into thinking that opposing a war makes you unpatriotic.

Name one time Bush said anyone who opposes the war is dishonoring the troops. I don't think he said it once. I have heard this before, it has become a truth because everyone talks about it like he did it. The fact is he never said that or hinted at that.

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 07:56 AM

1. The Iraqis and Iranians are not brothers. The Iranians are Persian whereas the Iraqis are Arabs. The Iranians are all SHia. The Iraqis are Shia, Sunni and Kurdish. 2. The enemy of our enemy is our allie. Less Americans had to die because America perscribes to that (i.e. Iraq/Iran, USSR/Afghanistan). It doesn't mean either way because you wouldn't fight for your country anyway...coward. 3. You refuse to live in fear of Communists and muslim extremists. YOu have that luxury because of your countries military. 4. This countries military has fought against Imperialism, slavery, facism, communism, genocide, extremism. What has pussy liberal elitism ever fought for and had the courage to stick with? poverty...How is that working out for you? What facts are basing your idea that muslims hate christians. What a retard naive notion that an entire group of people can be grouped into one generalization. Let me guess do jews have money and are French people rude too? pussy

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 08:17 AM

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 08:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEixq4LUfsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcDn2Ip8rw&NR=1

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 12:57 PM

poverty...How is that working out for you?

You're right about one thing, a lot of Americans are living in poverty courtesy of your very own savior George W. Bush

j-money24

09-06-2009, 01:15 PM

u in socal? wanna meet up and have a chat? shoot me a pm bro. we'll keep it civil i promise

Impressive, You're a tough internet guy buddy.

Wow scary ...

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 04:45 PM

You're right about one thing, a lot of Americans are living in poverty courtesy of your very own savior George W. Bush Once again where are your facts. You haven't said one truthful fact based comment.
Bush was given a recession, and he kept unemployment under 5%. Obama has it over 9%. If you didn't like Bush fine, but use things that actually happened. The tax cuts brought in more revenue than all the companies BHO has bought. Bush created more jobs in his first nine months in office than BHO has. The thing about war on poverty was me being facetious. Since the Liberals declared war on Poverty, there have been more poor people created. It should be a crime what these politicians are doing to people. Giving them free money if they promise not to achieve a better living. So what do they do-stay on it. Then there kids do it and so on. THe people liberals were supposed to help are hindered the most. In every city that has been ran for the past fifty to sixty years by bed-wetting liberals are the ones with the most welfare, and the highest crime, and coincidentally highest taxes. Take from those who earn and give to those who want right.

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 04:55 PM

Given the babbling, and incoherency of his posts, I'd take a wild guess and say he's lowly ranked, and we all know the US pays their soldiers peanuts. So, "the living in poverty" quote could be something he's dealing with right now.
You went to college where you became "open-minded". Then you and all your "open-minded" friends who are all saying, doing and wearing the same exact thing, start belittling and denouncing anything that you dont agree with. Very open minded.:lmao
You probably got a degree in something you cannot actually use like philosphy or political science. Maybe you just stayed in college and kept getting degrees because your mommy would always get you new cars, and clothes so you look good when you go protest against materialism.(no offense to anyone who earned these degrees and actually got a job with it)
You are probably a forty year old man living in your mothers basement blogging with your cheetos stained fingers.

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 05:05 PM

Once again where are your facts. You haven't said one truthful fact based comment.
Bush was given a recession, and he kept unemployment under 5%. Obama has it over 9%. If you didn't like Bush fine, but use things that actually happened. The tax cuts brought in more revenue than all the companies BHO has bought. Bush created more jobs in his first nine months in office than BHO has. The thing about war on poverty was me being facetious. Since the Liberals declared war on Poverty, there have been more poor people created. It should be a crime what these politicians are doing to people. Giving them free money if they promise not to achieve a better living. So what do they do-stay on it. Then there kids do it and so on. THe people liberals were supposed to help are hindered the most. In every city that has been ran for the past fifty to sixty years by bed-wetting liberals are the ones with the most welfare, and the highest crime, and coincidentally highest taxes. Take from those who earn and give to those who want right.

Bush wasn't given a recession, he created one. The economy was great when Clinton was in office. You sir are a moron

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 05:22 PM

Bush wasn't given a recession, he created one. The economy was great when Clinton was in office. You sir are a moron
You sir are impervious to actuality or real events. The Dot-com bubble bursted in Mar 2000. Then on Sept 12, 2001 we started the depression. It was because of Bush's free-market solutions that kept our country growing and creating jobs.
It makes sense you are a Mavs fan. You are stupid, you want things but aren't willing to work for them, and you 'shout-over' or mock instead of debating. It will never change that you and lakaluva are pussies.
:flag:

Ghazi

09-06-2009, 05:22 PM

Iran Iran Iran!

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 05:50 PM

:wow:wow:wow:wow

Fact:

"Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) -- President Bill Clinton left office in 2001 with a federal budget surplus of $127 billion. President George Bush ran a deficit of $319 billion in 2005. So who deserves more credit for fighting red ink?"

Keep talking, kid, this is funny.:lmao

Thanks for that. It's Sunday and I'm too lazy to research the facts to shove down this idiots throat.

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 05:52 PM

It makes sense you are a Mavs fan. You are stupid, you want things but aren't willing to work for them, and you 'shout-over' or mock instead of debating. It will never change that you and lakaluva are pussies.
:flag:

I'm stupid because of a differing opinion than yours? What do I want that I'm not willing to work for? You know me well enough to call me a pussy? Sounds like you're the one name calling without knowing the facts rather than debating, hypocrite.

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 07:05 PM

Thanks for that. It's Sunday and I'm too lazy to research the facts to shove down this idiots throat.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obamas-09-deficit-exceeds-all-eight-years-of-Bush-red-ink-54801777.html
Obama has surpassed all of Bushes 8 years of red ink. Also it was the Republican House and Congress that created the surplus, not Clinton and definitely not the Democrats. True Clinton signed the bill but it was the COnservatives that created it and left out most of the pork. The deficit had alot more to do with the stock market losing over 20 % of it's worth.
Even you communists should realize that if you buy 100 shares of gay-lube for $10/share and the price shoots down to $5/share that money is now gone. That is how Clinton had a surplus and Bush (300 days in office dealt with 9-11) had a deficit. However I will say that Bush increased Federal spending way too much, but that is an opinion and I have no facts just imo.
stockmarket charts from Clintons and Bush's presidency -
http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/02/11/looking-at-the-clinton-and-bush-presidencies-and-the-stock-market/

Bush inherited Clinton's recession - http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-80312

Economist say Recession started in 2000 (Wash Post) - http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A38826-2004Jan22?language=printer

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 07:11 PM

I'm stupid because of a differing opinion than yours? What do I want that I'm not willing to work for? You know me well enough to call me a pussy? Sounds like you're the one name calling without knowing the facts rather than debating, hypocrite.
I was creating a metaphor with you and the Mavs. :rollin
I think you are stupid because of the gossip you try to pawn off as your own thought. You rarely state truth and do not know what you are talking about. I think that is stupid. Plus you gang up on someone who served his country. SO you are stupid and have low morals.

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 09:08 PM

I was creating a metaphor with you and the Mavs. :rollin
I think you are stupid because of the gossip you try to pawn off as your own thought. You rarely state truth and do not know what you are talking about. I think that is stupid. Plus you gang up on someone who served his country. SO you are stupid and have low morals.

Good to know you found out all of these things about me during our time together on the internets. Go back to your fairytale land where America is the righteous leader of the free world and the neocons would never bully another country to set up an American presence in the region for profit.

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 09:09 PM

Oh and LOL at you thinking being a fan of a certain team reflects upon that person's intelligence :lol

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 09:16 PM

Also it was the Republican House and Congress that created the surplus, not Clinton and definitely not the Democrats. True Clinton signed the bill but it was the COnservatives that created it and left out most of the pork.

:lmao The Repug's had a very very thin margin in the House during that time, but the president set the agenda. Don't try to claim someone else's work for the party you're loyal to. Ever since Reagan's administration, the Repug's have done nothing but send this country down hill. "Trickle down economics" and restructuring the tax code and stripping the treasury of revenue was the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention his immigration reform which allowed business owners to hire cheap labor which in turn drove down wages thus destroying the middle class. The Repug's are traditionally for the wealthy, but what are the wealthy going to do when there's no middle class to afford the products and services they market? Thing's are about to get a hell of a lot worse and we have shortsighted stupid people like yourself to blame. That's why the wealthy are starting to stash their money away in foreign currency because they realize that when the middle class, the backbone of america, all but disappears then it's going to come crashing down on everyone

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 09:46 PM

Good to know you found out all of these things about me during our time together on the internets. Go back to your fairytale land where America is the righteous leader of the free world and the neocons would never bully another country to set up an American presence in the region for profit.
If we aren't the leader of the free world, who is?
What profit have the neocons gotten? The fact is the "neocons" have a better grasp of foreign policy. How many times did we get attacked by terrorists before we attacked back with a Dem in the White House? What is wrong with opening up markets for America. A French philosopher said "Countries that do not trade goods will trade Armies". Since "bullying" countries like Japan, Germany, Iraq, they seem to enjoy a better lifestyle. What did we get for bullying them? a free-market trading partner. Land to bury our dead.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-06-2009, 10:02 PM

Also it was the Republican House and Congress that created the surplus, not Clinton and definitely not the Democrats. True Clinton signed the bill but it was the COnservatives that created it and left out most of the pork.

Were your parents siblings?

If the Republican House and Congress was so amazing and great at creating surpluses, why is it that when Bush took over, that same "Republican House and Congress" started creating deficits?

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 10:02 PM

:lmao The Repug's had a very very thin margin in the House during that time, but the president set the agenda. Don't try to claim someone else's work for the party you're loyal to. Ever since Reagan's administration, the Repug's have done nothing but send this country down hill. "Trickle down economics" and restructuring the tax code and stripping the treasury of revenue was the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention his immigration reform which allowed business owners to hire cheap labor which in turn drove down wages thus destroying the middle class. The Repug's are traditionally for the wealthy, but what are the wealthy going to do when there's no middle class to afford the products and services they market? Thing's are about to get a hell of a lot worse and we have shortsighted stupid people like yourself to blame. That's why the wealthy are starting to stash their money away in foreign currency because they realize that when the middle class, the backbone of america, all but disappears then it's going to come crashing down on everyone
Nothing you said makes sense.
When did trickle-up economics work?
Milton Friedman's Trickle-down theory is a good working economic plan. IMO.
It was the Republican Revolution with their Contract with America that balanced the budget.
Leave it to a commie to bring in class war fare. The Republicans are for the rich. wah wah wah. I am no where near rich but feel that they are over taxed. I do not think that our founding fathers would have wanted the top 25% income earners to pay 86% of all federal income taxes. "b and c deciding that a should pay for d" -m. bradley. I believe that the people who earn their money should be able to keep as much as possible. If you wanted to help the middle class, have your commie brothers stop taxing. The taxes are passed on to the consumer. You want more middle class jobs get rid of the minimum wage. Let each company compete for their workforce. The better incentives the better choice out of the workforce. Also get rid of cartels (owner working together) and unions(workers working together).

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 10:13 PM

Were your parents siblings?

If the Republican House and Congress was so amazing and great at creating surpluses, why is it that when Bush took over, that same "Republican House and Congress" started creating deficits?
Its like explaining to the Lakers that raping is bad...they just don't get it.

Dot-com bubble pop. We start our recession. Bush is inaugurated. Stocks lose value. NASDAQ stocks plummet. When stocks lose value that money disappears...gone...no more. If you read some of my links you would have seen this and not wasting my time you michael moore twin. "were your parents siblings" Seriously? That's what you came in with? Did I dumb it down to your level? Actually the Senate's 50th Republican changed to Democrat to give the Dems the majority in the Senate. So when Bush came in, with no w keys on any keyboard, or furniture, or transition teams thanx to the Clintons, the house was run by the republicans but not the senate. YOu got it? Retard

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 10:14 PM

Nothing you said makes sense.
When did trickle-up economics work?
Milton Friedman's Trickle-down theory is a good working economic plan. IMO.
It was the Republican Revolution with their Contract with America that balanced the budget.
Leave it to a commie to bring in class war fare. The Republicans are for the rich. wah wah wah. I am no where near rich but feel that they are over taxed. I do not think that our founding fathers would have wanted the top 25% income earners to pay 86% of all federal income taxes. "b and c deciding that a should pay for d" -m. bradley. I believe that the people who earn their money should be able to keep as much as possible. If you wanted to help the middle class, have your commie brothers stop taxing. The taxes are passed on to the consumer. You want more middle class jobs get rid of the minimum wage. Let each company compete for their workforce. The better incentives the better choice out of the workforce. Also get rid of cartels (owner working together) and unions(workers working together).

Trickle down economics DIDN'T work dumbass, that was my point. It's a terrible plan because greedy people at the top hold on to too much of the money and it never makes it all the way down to the bottom.

And the rich pay too much taxes? :lmao This is astounding. Of course the wealthy account for the majority of the taxes. There are too many people barely able to make a living at all that their taxes don't account for much. For example, If me, you, and Bill Gates sat down at the table, the average income would be in the hundreds of millions. But this only counts for the people receiving a paycheck with witholdings because the tax situation is tricky. Yes, there's a progressive tax system, but if you're a rich business owner there's too many legal loopholes that you don't have to pay hardly ANY tax. Some of the wealthiest people in America don't have to pay jack shit.

spursncowboys

09-06-2009, 10:17 PM

Didn't I tell you the military were full of these clowns. You're giving him way too much credit though, because inbred people are much more intelligent
Just like cowardly liberals. Cannot debate logic. Have to discredit and name call. cannot forget shouting over too. While you bitches read my posts in your mother's basement, your are probably shouting "yes we can".
Socialist Party in germany is Nazi

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 10:21 PM

Just like cowardly liberals. Cannot debate logic. Have to discredit and name call. cannot forget shouting over too. While you bitches read my posts in your mother's basement, your are probably shouting "yes we can".
Socialist Party in germany is Nazi

You called me a pussy, said that I'm not willing to work for what I want, stupid, and made all kinds of other false allegations. Pot, meet kettle. You're the one discrediting and name calling.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-06-2009, 10:26 PM

I do not think that our founding fathers would have wanted the top 25% income earners to pay 86% of all federal income taxes.

So when the top 25% is what gets 90+% of the income, they shouldn't be responsible for 90+% of the income taxes? The tax responsibility should be distributed in such a way that it further damages the middle class and widens the gap between rich and poor?

mavs>spurs2

09-06-2009, 10:27 PM

So when the top 25% is what gets 90+% of the income, they shouldn't be responsible for 90+% of the income taxes? The tax responsibility should be distributed in such a way that it further damages the middle class and widens the gap between rich and poor?

:tu Exactly. Don't let him muddy the water and confuse you with bullshit. You're exactly right on this

mogrovejo

09-06-2009, 11:40 PM

So when the top 25% is what gets 90+% of the income, they shouldn't be responsible for 90+% of the income taxes? The tax responsibility should be distributed in such a way that it further damages the middle class and widens the gap between rich and poor?

Do you understand the economic consequences of that reasoning? You can have those who get 90% of the income paying 99% of the income taxes. But what will happen is that 90% of the income will very quickly decrease. You're just making people equally poor. If you tax those of higher income, they'll just move to other countries, or invest less, therefore creating less jobs and wealth, or just work less, because you're giving them a disincentive to wealth creation.

mavs>spurs2

09-07-2009, 12:00 AM

Do you understand the economic consequences of that reasoning? You can have those who get 90% of the income paying 99% of the income taxes. But what will happen is that 90% of the income will very quickly decrease. You're just making people equally poor. If you tax those of higher income, they'll just move to other countries, or invest less, therefore creating less jobs and wealth, or just work less, because you're giving them a disincentive to wealth creation.

Yeah those business owners and CEO's are working sooooo hard chillin out on their yaht's and playing golf. Get a grip. It's the upper upper working class like doctors, people who are well to do but work hard for their money and receive a paycheck like you and I who deserve a break. Not the business owners making millions a year. Yes rich people should have to pay taxes like everyone else. If a guy making 250,000 a year has to pay his fair share of taxes he's still not "equally poor" as the janitor making 20k a year.

mogrovejo

09-07-2009, 12:21 AM

Yeah those business owners and CEO's are working sooooo hard chillin out on their yaht's and playing golf. Get a grip. It's the upper upper working class like doctors, people who are well to do but work hard for their money and receive a paycheck like you and I who deserve a break. Not the business owners making millions a year. Yes rich people should have to pay taxes like everyone else. If a guy making 250,000 a year has to pay his fair share of taxes he's still not "equally poor" as the janitor making 20k a year.

The problem is that consumers are the ones paying those taxes. Do you think that in a globalized world you can decrease the net salary of high-end executives? They'll either look for jobs elsewhere or they'll just increase their gross-salary. Taxing companies or their workers doesn't work, because they just trade those costs to the consumer. The only consequence of that is to make the products manufacture and the services provided by companies in America to be more expensive, leading to jobs cuts, eventual bankrupts, more jobs lost, etc.

Brazil

09-07-2009, 12:29 AM

This thread belongs to the political forum. BB fan discussions can be biaised or funny or stupid, political discussions in nba forum have always 0 interest.

mogrovejo

09-07-2009, 12:36 AM

I'll give you an example. Imagine one says "heck, Steve Jobs and his associates are making an obscene amount of money with their gadgets, let's get 90% of that, they'll still have enough money to have a better life than 99% of us."

What would happen? Steve Jobs would probably delocalize Apple to outside the US and you'd lose the jobs they provide and all the taxes. Or he'd increase the price of his products to keep his return on investment stable. So Apple buyers would be paying that (more probably they'd stop buying Apple products, leading to the company dissapearing, the loss of jobs, the loss of taxes, etc.).

In an open economy, you can't have very high marginal tax rates at the higher end. You have to be fiscally competitive or you just won't have the companies and the riches to tax.

polysylab1k

09-07-2009, 01:31 AM

You sir are impervious to actuality or real events. The Dot-com bubble bursted in Mar 2000. Then on Sept 12, 2001 we started the depression. It was because of Bush's free-market solutions that kept our country growing and creating jobs.
It makes sense you are a Mavs fan. You are stupid, you want things but aren't willing to work for them, and you 'shout-over' or mock instead of debating. It will never change that you and lakaluva are pussies.
:flag:
Fuck no, oppositely it was the so-retarded fucking free-market that pushed the auto makers into bankruptcy, and the same fate also kissed some banks. Bush was the stupid ass that overlooked the signs insinuated by the blooming inflation and increasing unemployment. Instead of doing something to flourish the broken economy, I mean the fucking economy has been broken since before that muthafucker took office, that simpleton sent troops after troops and burnt tons of dollars on wars. Practically it shouldn't have cost so much to mollify Taliban and Sadam's empire. Those idiots were just earnest to give some works to land-troops, though those works coulda been done pretty well by airforce as in Kosovo.

Under the foolish policy of "freemarket", millions of foreign auto makers invaded inboard to sell their cars at dirty cheap prizes, which eventually led to the collapses of GM. GM cars shoulda sold cheaper but for the heavy taxes, which shoulda been set on the heads of foreign makers like toyota, honda, etc... Like lethal virus, those foreign auto makers were injected into American market and eventually, the branded big 2 got drowned. Reasonably the auto makers weren't killed by the virus but the government, for metaphor, the gunner is who should be charged of murder but not the gun.

spursncowboys

09-07-2009, 08:38 AM

Movgrovjo has great points. Through out history, when a country lowers their taxes, they get more incoming taxes. Also CEOs, work alot. The average CEO never gets a day off and works 12 hours shifts.
The top 25% earned their monies. I don't think that 75 % of the population should be thinking of ideas of how to make their life better by taking the money from the other 25%. In a capitalist society why would you want to penalize the earner?
I agree that it was free markets that bankrupted GM and Chrysler. They didn't make a product that was good enough for the price they wanted. Actually, going by JD Power reviews they didn't make a good product. The banks had nothing to do with free market. Every single problem with the banks can be traced back to government intervention.

Bukefal

09-07-2009, 08:58 AM

spursncowboys

09-07-2009, 09:31 AM

Exactly, this guy is good, but too good, he is stupid. Why give your life for something that isnt your place? Why give your life in a useless war, why give your life for economical reasons so some big shots can put money in their pockets and buy new bentleys? Is that worth dying for? Is that protectin your country? No, that's naive and stupidity, thats protecting the pockets and wallets of some rich people who cant stop thinking about money, aaah but well, thats what its all about in this world, money...
You are a free lunch! Atleast in a free society, you don't have to fight. You can stay at home and be a coward. while others are fighting for your freedom you sit and enjoy the freedom to assemble. where you can sit and bad mouth the military. pussy. freedom of religion, speech, arms, assembly, are worth fighting for. Not one of those freedoms were gotten or kept by pussy sitting back not doing anything. It was awarded by men of action. The Washingtons, Churchills and Reagans of history. it is a shame you turn it into some class warfare. if you want that stuff so bad, go work for it and stop trying to take it from people who earned it. You are the posterchild for naive. I love your characterture of rich ppl. It is straight out of a communist poster. Why is it that every country we fight in war, kill their own people for speaking out and having a religion?
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27169.html) http://www.quotationspage.com/icon_info.gif (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27169.html)http://www.quotationspage.com/icon_plus.gif (http://www.quotationspage.com/myquotations.php?add=27169)http://www.quotationspage.com/icon_email.gif (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27169.html#email)http://www.quotationspage.com/icon_blank.gif
John Stuart Mill

Bukefal

09-07-2009, 12:47 PM

You are a free lunch! Atleast in a free society, you don't have to fight. You can stay at home and be a coward. while others are fighting for your freedom you sit and enjoy the freedom to assemble. where you can sit and bad mouth the military. pussy. freedom of religion, speech, arms, assembly, are worth fighting for. Not one of those freedoms were gotten or kept by pussy sitting back not doing anything. It was awarded by men of action. The Washingtons, Churchills and Reagans of history. it is a shame you turn it into some class warfare. if you want that stuff so bad, go work for it and stop trying to take it from people who earned it. You are the posterchild for naive. I love your characterture of rich ppl. It is straight out of a communist poster. Why is it that every country we fight in war, kill their own people for speaking out and having a religion?
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27169.html) http://www.quotationspage.com/icon_info.gif (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27169.html)http://www.quotationspage.com/icon_plus.gif (http://www.quotationspage.com/myquotations.php?add=27169)http://www.quotationspage.com/icon_email.gif (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27169.html#email)http://www.quotationspage.com/icon_blank.gif
John Stuart Mill

Others fighting for your freedom?? Those others are fighting for economical reasons, for oil and gas, for money and power, so some big shots can fill their pockets and take more power, more and more and more, thats what they are dying for. And the soldiers are being used, they are dying for those big shots, mostly poor young guys without education, are being used to die for money and power - for nothing.

Of course those countries are not free, of course their people cannot speak out, thats true. But America did not start the war to end that, they say they did, but thats not the reason. dont cover your economic war up with saying that they are a treat to your freedom and safety, because we all know bush went in that war for economical reasons. stop being so naive.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-07-2009, 12:57 PM

spursncowboys

09-07-2009, 01:43 PM

Others fighting for your freedom?? Those others are fighting for economical reasons, for oil and gas, for money and power, so some big shots can fill their pockets and take more power, more and more and more, thats what they are dying for. And the soldiers are being used, they are dying for those big shots, mostly poor young guys without education, are being used to die for money and power - for nothing.

Of course those countries are not free, of course their people cannot speak out, thats true. But America did not start the war to end that, they say they did, but thats not the reason. dont cover your economic war up with saying that they are a treat to your freedom and safety, because we all know bush went in that war for economical reasons. stop being so naive.

If you say that freedom is not the reason but is it the outcome? Is the world better off without Saddam running a country? The people I served with over in Iraq were a complete american culture. Most of them are not poor and dumb. I have a college degree. In fact a higher majority of military have college degrees than America. You just think this because it helps you sleep better.
All of our enemies did not attack us because of our military presence and our history of fighting. Look at post WW1. No one was willing to stand up to the Socialists. Germ and Italy and Japan and Russia all took advantage of this. Because no one was willing to fight. They were cowards like you who thought it would always be there. Seriously what oil have we gotten. Do you realize that OPEC is a cartel (think union) that makes up random prices. For instance in a free market if demand stays and supply goes up then prices goes down. But the Cartel says that if demand goes down, they will jack the price up. Now if more oil countries buck the oil price that OPEC sets, then OPEC loses their power. Then all these crazies like Saudi princes, and terrorist controlled countries lose power and money. To me that is a good thing if Americas enemies lose power and money. But not to people like you. Why is that?

What is wrong to be fighting for economical reasons? If you give people a form of capitalism, then both countries population will be better off -economically. The soldiers are dieing for their commanders. Their commanders take orders from the President who has been voted in by the majority of our electoral college, who's points are created by elected officials.
You liberal loon are unrealistic and conspiracy theorists. Where is your facts for these blackhawk moments? What big shots are making these decisions to go to war? Who exactly has gotten money for our country going to war besides Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton?