Dime: Who’s Better: Chris Paul Or Tony Parker? [Archive] - Page 2

BUMP

09-04-2009, 07:52 PM

Since when has Dirk been considered a flopper?

Honestly.

flop=exagerrating contact in my book. Dirk could be a borderline flopper (see Kenyon Martin's flagrant foul) but if u call Dirk a flopper, than TP definitely belongs in that category as well

PGDynasty24

09-04-2009, 08:00 PM

spurs fans honestly diss cp3 for flopping when they won their titles off flopping and had one of the biggest flopping teams in history. I mean ginobli the king of flopping,parker who is bad,oberto who is a crazy flopper,bowen the flopper. they make a living off flopping,and have made it what it is today

redzero

09-04-2009, 08:02 PM

PGDynasty24

09-04-2009, 08:08 PM

cp3 is a really bad flopper no question. but he is far better than parker. no question about it. he right now at 23 is playing at a higher level than parker ever did

Brazil

09-04-2009, 08:22 PM

flop=exagerrating contact in my book. Dirk could be a borderline flopper (see Kenyon Martin's flagrant foul) but if u call Dirk a flopper, than TP definitely belongs in that category as well

I don't consider dirk and tp as floppers !

and :lol at all the guys posting: anybody who thinks TP is better is a moron!!!!!!! when 99,5% of people stated in this thread that cp3 is the better player

PGDynasty24

09-04-2009, 08:24 PM

I don't consider dirk and tp as floppers !

and :lol at all the guys posting: anybody who thinks TP is better is a moron!!!!!!! when 99,5% of people stated in this thread that cp3 is the better player

thank you. I respect the hell out of TP. but cmon cp3 is better

Brazil

09-04-2009, 08:37 PM

^we are all in line ! cp3 is the better player AND flopper ! :)

spursfan09

09-04-2009, 09:35 PM

So its not enough to say cp is a better pg than parker, we have to be homerific hornet fans and say that cp is not a flippity flopper.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-04-2009, 10:31 PM

So its not enough to say cp is a better pg than parker, we have to be homerific hornet fans and say that cp is not a flippity flopper.

When your team is notorious for flopping, then don't criticize Paul for flopping.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-04-2009, 10:32 PM

Why is it that when Manu flops, Spurfan says it's because of his, "unrelenting desire to win," but when CP3 flops, it's because he's a pussy ass bitch?

redzero

09-04-2009, 10:40 PM

Why is it that when Manu flops, Spurfan says it's because of his, "unrelenting desire to win," but when CP3 flops, it's because he's a pussy ass bitch?

It's because Manu flopping for the Spurs not against them.

Culburn369

09-04-2009, 10:44 PM

Why is it that when Manu flops, Spurfan says it's because of his, "unrelenting desire to win," but when CP3 flops, it's because he's a pussy ass bitch?

Yet another example of a Suns Fandom lodging a quality post. They're simply the best Fandom on like earth. They're a wondermentPERIOD

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-04-2009, 10:49 PM

It's because Manu flopping for the Spurs not against them.

And I've got nothing them not criticizing Manu for it. The truth is, they both flop for the same reason: to win. It's just hypocritical to criticize CP3 for it when Manu's got just as much of a reputation as a flopper.

Culburn369

09-04-2009, 10:53 PM

School's in session: Mr. DUNCAN is educatin'.

Biggems

09-04-2009, 11:44 PM

spursfan09

09-04-2009, 11:50 PM

Why is it that when Manu flops, Spurfan says it's because of his, "unrelenting desire to win," but when CP3 flops, it's because he's a pussy ass bitch?

Most Spurfans know Manu flops. Just because he does it doesn't not mean we can not criticize another player for doing it despite what you may think. You are not the maker of nba fan rules.

redzero

09-05-2009, 12:00 AM

Paul is the better true PG, but Parker is the better scoring PG.

Paul gets more love from the media and the refs, Parker gets more love from Eva.

Paul is a floppin, cheat shot artist, Parker is the best PG in the NBA at attacking and scoring in the paint.

Parker is 1-0 vs Paul in the postseason.

Parker has 3 rings and a Finals MVP, Paul's fingers are naked, as is his trophy case.

Both are great players. I am happy with Parker. NO is happy with Paul.

Yet, Paul averages more points, almost twice as many assists, more rebounds, more steals, is a better free throw shooter, a better 3-point shooter, and has a slightly worse field goal percentage.

What does Parker do better? Lay-ups. Hmm... Let me think on this one.

Culburn369

09-05-2009, 12:12 AM

You are not the maker of nba fan rules.

True, but, DUNCAN puts your Spurs Fandom to absolute shame. You all look like horse's asses in the shadow of The DUNCAN.

And he's only like seventeen. And he schooled you screwballs.

Manoshevitz!

xellos88330

09-05-2009, 12:40 AM

What could Tony Parker do with the extra 4.4 mpg that Chris Paul gets with the Hornets.

CP3 Averaged 38.5 MPG last season.
TP Averaged 34.1 MPG last season.

MPG is a huge difference maker as far as the numbers go. Anyone able to do the math? I am lazy.

When Tony in the playoffs played just 36.2 MPG he averaged 28.6 ppg and 6.8 APG. If that is any indication to Parkers abilities when given just 2 minutes more to work with, I wonder what he could do at 38 MPG like Paul.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-05-2009, 03:48 AM

Most Spurfans know Manu flops. Just because he does it doesn't not mean we can not criticize another player for doing it despite what you may think. You are not the maker of nba fan rules.

Yes it does, unless you criticize Manu for doing it. If it's not OK for CP3 to do it, then it's not OK for Manu to do it.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-05-2009, 04:31 AM

And he's only like seventeen. And he schooled you screwballs.

Manoshevitz!

1) I'm 19
2) Are you Jewish:lol?

Chieflion

09-05-2009, 04:35 AM

This is Chris Paul easily.

Muser

09-05-2009, 07:28 AM

Manu is a much better flopper than Paul IMO, he disguises it much better whereas Paul tries too hard.

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These came to mind, i've never seen Manu attempt a flop that bad.

I'd like to stress that i'm not saying Manu doesn't flop, just that Paul tries way too hard.

sabar

09-05-2009, 07:43 AM

Um, no. Stop putting words in my mouth. The idea is that Nash actually attempts to play defense. Which is way better than what Parker does, which is absolutely nothing.

:lmao

This thread has to have the most retarded posts I've seen all summer. Only culburn regularly running all his posts through a 1400's era thesaurus is more retarded. Do any of the retards in here even watch professional basketball?

1. CP3 > Parker
2. Parker plays defense
3. Nash sucks
4. Duncan is a 3-point specialist

You crappy trolls don't even have to reply as these are irrefutable facts. Go take some lessons from mouse for $2. The whole mavs fanbase could use some trolling lessons.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-05-2009, 01:39 PM

Um, no. Stop putting words in my mouth. The idea is that Nash actually attempts to play defense. Which is way better than what Parker does, which is absolutely nothing.

Parker is a way better defender than Nash. If what you were saying is true, Parker would have been traded a long time ago. Granted Parker isn't a stud defender, he plays defense.....like every single player who earned Popovich's trust.

Brazil

09-05-2009, 01:51 PM

Parker is a way better defender than Nash. If what you were saying is true, Parker would have been traded a long time ago. Granted Parker isn't a stud defender, he plays defense.....like every single player who earned Popovich's trust.

Exactly. Thank you.

No way in hell Pop would have trusted a 20 years PG without him playing minimum defense.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-05-2009, 02:13 PM

Exactly. Thank you.

No way in hell Pop would have trusted a 20 years PG without him playing minimum defense.

Also, this "taking charges" argument is huge bullshit. First off, the Spurs defense is built on forcing low percentage shots while rarely (if ever) gambling by going for a turnover, since going for a turnover results in an easy shot more often than not.

But second, Nash takes a little under 1 charge a game. That's 1 charge in a 100 possession basketball game. Don't try to say that during the 47 point scoring bonanza Devin Harris was dropping on Nash, the 1-2 charges he successfully drew on Devin Harris made it a good defensive night.

spursfan09

09-05-2009, 02:26 PM

Yes it does, unless you criticize Manu for doing it. If it's not OK for CP3 to do it, then it's not OK for Manu to do it.

Again you are not the authority on how fans should act or be. I can not criticize who I want and criticize who I want. and you can not do anything about it. But anywas I personally don't like it when Manu flops because usually it does not get called and the other player has a straight pathway to the basket. And believe me the refs have caught on adn don't call it, but for CP3 since he's an nba golden boy still gets to get a way with it.

spursfan09

09-05-2009, 02:29 PM

I'm not even sure what I'm arguing about anymore lol.

Truth is

CP> TP

CP is a flippity flopper.

Manu is a flopper to, but not to the extreme of CP.

Truth be told

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-05-2009, 02:37 PM

But anywas I personally don't like it when Manu flops because usually it does not get called and the other player has a straight pathway to the basket. And believe me the refs have caught on adn don't call it, but for CP3 since he's an nba golden boy still gets to get a way with it.

Yup, the refs hate the Spurs and want to screw them over every which way.......but love the rest of the NBA. My most humble apologies for forgetting that.

Culburn369

09-05-2009, 07:34 PM

This thread has to have the most retarded posts I've seen all summer. Only culburn regularly running all his posts through a 1400's era thesaurus is more retarded. Do any of the retards in here even watch professional basketball?

That's just leftover bitterness in ya from when the Mavs pounded your ass a few months back. You'll get over it,,,provided the Lakers don't go back-to-back on ya.

tee, hee.

spursfan09

09-05-2009, 09:11 PM

Yup, the refs hate the Spurs and want to screw them over every which way.......but love the rest of the NBA. My most humble apologies for forgetting that.

:lol drama queen thats not what I mean.

Anyway its hard to argue with someone like a phoenix sun fan who has nothing but biased hatred for the spurs.

spursfan1000

09-05-2009, 09:15 PM

I would said Chris Paul and Tony Parker are about the same, but at leading a team Paul without a doubt, they are pretty average on defense (except Paul can better)

anakha

09-05-2009, 11:13 PM

Um, no. Stop putting words in my mouth. The idea is that Nash actually attempts to play defense. Which is way better than what Parker does, which is absolutely nothing.

So you attempt to sidestep your insane argument by digging yourself deeper? Way to go.

redzero

09-06-2009, 02:51 PM

I would said Chris Paul and Tony Parker are about the same, but at leading a team Paul without a doubt, they are pretty average on defense (except Paul can better)

How are they the same? Parker is a score first guard, while Paul is a pass first guard who manages to score more points on top getting 5 more assists per game. There isn't a legitimate reason to pick Parker over Paul in any circumstance.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-06-2009, 03:03 PM

:lol drama queen thats not what I mean.

Anyway its hard to argue with someone like a phoenix sun fan who has nothing but biased hatred for the spurs.

It's even harder to argue with a Spurs homer who thinks that whenever the Spurs lose, the refs have something to do with it.

dirk4mvp

09-06-2009, 03:04 PM

spur fans are lame.

Spursfan092120

09-06-2009, 03:07 PM

spur fans are lame.
:soapbox:

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-06-2009, 03:40 PM

Anyway its hard to argue with someone like a phoenix sun fan who has nothing but biased hatred for the spurs.

You're right, someone with the SN DUNCANownsKOBE must have nothing but biased hate for the Spurs.

dirk4mvp

09-06-2009, 03:41 PM

:lol

redzero

09-06-2009, 03:52 PM

You're right, someone with the SN DUNCANownsKOBE must have nothing but biased hate for the Spurs.

I find it funny that he would claim that, even though you haven't actually bashed the Spurs at all in this topic.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-06-2009, 04:06 PM

I find it funny that he would claim that, even though you haven't actually bashed the Spurs at all in this topic.

Furthermore, I actually had 2-3 posts a page back about how much better of a defender Parker is than Nash.

spursfan1000

09-06-2009, 04:09 PM

How are they the same? Parker is a score first guard, while Paul is a pass first guard who manages to score more points on top getting 5 more assists per game. There isn't a legitimate reason to pick Parker over Paul in any circumstance.

True, Chris Paul does get more points for the simple fact that he is the team #1 option on offense. Parker has to share shots with Manu and Duncan last year ( half the season with Manu)

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-06-2009, 04:13 PM

True, Chris Paul does get more points for the simple fact that he is the team #1 option on offense. Parker has to share shots with Manu and Duncan last year ( half the season with Manu)

Parker attempted more shots per game than CP3 last year.

redzero

09-06-2009, 04:15 PM

True, Chris Paul does get more points for the simple fact that he is the team #1 option on offense. Parker has to share shots with Manu and Duncan last year ( half the season with Manu)

And? Paul still manages to get shots for his teammates and himself at the same time. If Paul wanted to, I'm sure he can score even more points if he didn't make the effort to get his teammates involved.

Culburn369

09-06-2009, 04:55 PM

It's even harder to argue with a Spurs homer who thinks that whenever the Spurs lose, the refs have something to do with it.

Precision post.

sonic21

09-06-2009, 07:37 PM

DoK = God

spursfan09

09-06-2009, 09:31 PM

It's even harder to argue with a Spurs homer who thinks that whenever the Spurs lose, the refs have something to do with it.

:rolleyes

Yeah thats what i always think.

I'm done with you, I'm not even sure what you're point is anymore.

spursfan09

09-06-2009, 09:35 PM

Again sorry to those who I offended when I said CP3 is a flippity flopper. Some of you take things too seriously.

spursfan09

09-06-2009, 09:37 PM

You're right, someone with the SN DUNCANownsKOBE must have nothing but biased hate for the Spurs.

Fine bias hatred for Manu I guess narrows it down, or maybe thier fans? You are taking out all your anger on me, just cause I said CP3 is a flippity flopper.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-06-2009, 09:54 PM

Fine bias hatred for Manu I guess narrows it down, or maybe thier fans? You are taking out all your anger on me, just cause I said CP3 is a flippity flopper.

I'm not angry at all, all I said was that Spurs fans who think it's perfectly fine when Manu flops but criticize Paul for flopping are hypocrites. I never said I personally had a problem with Manu flopping.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

09-06-2009, 09:58 PM

I'm done with you, I'm not even sure what you're point is anymore.

My point is that if Chris Paul is an unclassy pussy for flopping, then so is Manu Ginobili. I never personally called Manu Ginobili anything, I said that if Spurfan is gonna label CP3 in certain ways because he flops, by their logic, those same labels apply to Ginobili.

z0sa

09-06-2009, 10:38 PM

there are degrees of severity in any issue. While Manu does flop, it tends to be straight out hitting the floor and always during play. Just as a Spursfan I've seen CP3 flop numerous times after the whistle, which means it happens with everyone else too. And its plain that CP3's flopping is much more accented. He doesn't just go down, he stumbles around and flails about like he's been shot.

HORNSWOGGLE

09-07-2009, 07:58 AM

My point is that if Chris Paul is an unclassy pussy for flopping, then so is Manu Ginobili. I never personally called Manu Ginobili anything, I said that if Spurfan is gonna label CP3 in certain ways because he flops, by their logic, those same labels apply to Ginobili.
you dont like it then gtfo :lol

Muser

09-07-2009, 08:12 AM

[quote=Spurstrodamus;3672578]

I'm not a Nash fan by any means, but Nash has 2 MVP awards. That trumps anything Parker has done in his career, including winning rings riding Duncan's coattails.

[quote]

:lmao

Culburn369

09-07-2009, 08:59 AM

spursfan09

09-07-2009, 11:06 AM

I'm not angry at all, all I said was that Spurs fans who think it's perfectly fine when Manu flops but criticize Paul for flopping are hypocrites. I never said I personally had a problem with Manu flopping.

Were we talking about CP vs Manu? No. I was comparing TP and CP. CP is the better player, but CP in my eyes would be an even greater player if he quit the whining and flopping he does. I don't know why that is so hard to comprehend? Are we talking about CP vs Manu? Then yeah they are both flippity floppers. Look at what Manu's flopping has done to other fan's perception of him.

spursfan09

09-07-2009, 11:08 AM

[[[Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/Style_Templates/nba/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3672246#post3672246)

My point is that if Chris Paul is an unclassy pussy for flopping, then so is Manu Ginobili.]]]

Simple logic.

When did I call CP an unclassy pussy? Seriously? You guys come up with different scenarios in your head and play out what you want to see.

Culburn369

09-07-2009, 11:09 AM

You guys come up with different scenarios in your head and play out what you want to see.

That's SOP on this Forum.

wanggi

09-29-2009, 06:24 AM

Cubby, remember me? I'm Wang on Suns board.

hahahahaha..........

Allanon

09-29-2009, 08:00 PM

You tell CP3: "Go win us some games"
You tell TP: "Go score us some points"

Tony Parker is the superior scorer, CP3 is the superior floor and team leader.

As bad-ass of a scorer as Tony Parker is, I'm not convinced he can be the franchise player for a team. He may or may not have the ability but he plays with the undisputed leader Duncan so it's hard to say.

It's alot like Kobe, in his mid 20's you knew he could score but everybody questioned his ability to lead. But nowadays, nobody questions his leadership ability anymore.

Xylus

09-29-2009, 08:05 PM

CP3 and Duncan together would be the most frightening PG-PF duo in the league, possibly ever.

As good as Tony Parker is, he's not exactly multi-dimensional.

ginobilized

09-29-2009, 08:53 PM

I'd pick the only one to ever (and will ever) get 3 rings and be named Finals MVP.

Xylus

09-29-2009, 08:55 PM

I'd pick the only one to ever (and will ever) get 3 rings and be named Finals MVP.

Wouldn't happen without Tim Duncan.

If Chris Paul gets the right teammates around him, he could win a number of championships. It's hard to go anywhere when David West is your #2 guy.

BRHornet45

09-29-2009, 09:08 PM

You tell CP3: "Go win us some games"
You tell TP: "Go score us some points"

Tony Parker is the superior scorer

yet Paul still finds a way to score more points than Parker

Allanon

09-29-2009, 09:10 PM

yet Paul still finds a way to score more points than Parker

CP3 gets alot more FT's and makes alot more of them.

BRHornet45

09-29-2009, 09:44 PM

CP3 gets alot more FT's and makes alot more of them.

again ... yet Paul still finds a way to score more points than Parker-Longoria

redzero

09-29-2009, 10:39 PM

I still don't know why people think Parker is a better score. Paul gets more points per game on top of his four extra assists per game.

gambit1990

12-01-2020, 04:32 AM

CP3 and Duncan together would be the most frightening PG-PF duo in the league, possibly ever.

As good as Tony Parker is, he's not exactly multi-dimensional.
:wow

i've never thought about it that way but you're 100% right.

cp3 & duncan would've been murderous.

gambit1990

04-29-2021, 02:43 AM

old ass cp3 putting in work.

FrostKing

04-29-2021, 05:08 AM

Dirks_Finale

04-29-2021, 06:57 AM

Great comparison. Tony great running that baseline. Chris breaking down the defender slowly

I think Tony never improved himself physically. Chris wasn't athletic enough to run Spurs offense

Even. But I think I could build a team with Chris. I give last edge to Mr.Paul

Paul is clearly the better floor general and defender. Would take him all day over Porker. Would love to see Tony's accolades if he played in Charlotte his whole career.

FrostKing

04-29-2021, 07:04 AM

Paul is clearly the better floor general and defender. Would take him all day over Porker. Would love to see Tony's accolades if he played in Charlotte his whole career.
I remember Paul on the Hornets taking Manu to 7 games

lefty

04-29-2021, 07:08 AM

CP instead of Porker and Duncan retires with more than 5 rings

FrostKing

04-29-2021, 07:15 AM

CP instead of Porker and Duncan retires with more than 5 rings
Love them goggles. Which size.

lefty

04-29-2021, 07:25 AM

Love them goggles. Which size.

I don’t wear goggles
Why, you’re selling your nostalgic pair?

baseline bum

04-29-2021, 09:14 AM

Paul is clearly the better floor general and defender. Would take him all day over Porker. Would love to see Tony's accolades if he played in Charlotte his whole career.

No one plays in Charlotte his whole career.

Dirks_Finale

04-29-2021, 10:30 AM

CP instead of Porker and Duncan retires with more than 5 rings

Yup.

Just think - no Speedy Claxton to bailout Porker and he likely has one less ring :lol