Dime: Who’s Better: Chris Paul Or Tony Parker?

[duncan228]

Who’s Better: Chris Paul or Tony Parker? (http://dimemag.com/2009/09/whos-better-chris-paul-or-tony-parker/)
By Dime Magazine

We argue. You decide…

CHRIS PAUL (by Ben York)

On both sides, the argument for who is better cannot be made by simply comparing stats. On the contrary, it goes much deeper than that.

Let me start by saying that you really couldn’t go wrong with either of these players on your team. Even though I’m arguing for Chris Paul, if I had to pick which player I’d rather have in the playoffs, I would have absolutely zero hesitation in picking Tony Parker. He’s proven to be so damn good, and clutch, for the Spurs in the post-season it’s hard to make a fair comparison to Paul who has only been in the playoffs twice.

However, we’re not judging these players based on their play in the post-season, we’re analyzing who is better now.

I could sit here and rattle off some of Paul’s phenomenal stat lines that he consistently puts up, but Austin could do the same thing with Tony Parker. Thus, the real disparity between these two players is that Chris Paul is the Hornets while Tony Parker enhances the Spurs (http://dimemag.com/2009/07/chris-paul-thinks-he-could-be-traded-hornets-say-no-chance/) — and there is a big difference between being a team and enhancing a team.

I typically hate this analogy, but I feel it’s pertinent in this comparison: Imagine if you took both Parker and Paul away from the Spurs and Hornets, how much worse would each team be? While the Spurs success doesn’t solely rely on Tony Parker, the success of the Hornets undeniably rests with Chris Paul. If Paul doesn’t get his teammates involved, score 25 a night, or literally will the team to victory, then New Orleans doesn’t have a prayer in the world to win (http://dimemag.com/2009/05/david-west-we-need-to-get-help-for-cp3/). Paul is quite simply the glue that holds the Hornets together, and if he isn’t on the court, the Hornets are (at best) a mediocre team.

For example, last season Chris Paul averaged about 23 ppg and 11 assists per game. The Hornets, as a team, score about 95 points per game. Consequently, Paul’s 23 points and 11 assists (which lead to between 20-30 points) legitimately account for half of the Hornets production as a team in virtually every game they play. How ridiculous/amazing is that? In addition, the Hornets were without Tyson Chandler, Peja Stojakovic, and David West for a good portion of last season, which only makes Paul’s stat line that much more remarkable.

Tony Parker, on the other hand, adds to the already great Spurs team. Rather, to put it another way, he’s not looked at like Chris Paul is to account for half of the Spurs points on a nightly basis. Parker is a fantastic player, there isn’t any doubt about that, but his role is to facilitate Gregg Popovich’s system — not be the system.

Parker is a fantastic point guard. However, he doesn’t consistently make the players around him better regardless of the situation or who is on the court with him. Chris Paul does, and that’s why he is the better player.


TONY PARKER (by Austin Burton)

As much as I’ve been a blaring advocate for Tony Parker in recent years, I’d always ranked him behind Chris Paul in the “Best Point Guard on the Planet” race. That changed during this year’s playoffs.

On the surface, there wasn’t much difference in CP and TP’s brief postseasons. Both of their teams got knocked out in the first round in series that weren’t really that close. But while Paul was below-average (16.6 ppg, 10.4 apg, 1.6 spg, 41% FG) against Chauncey and the Nuggets, Parker was as dominant as a player could be in a losing effort, dropping 28.6 points, 6.8 assists and 1.2 steals (http://dimemag.com/2009/07/top-10-point-guards-of-the-08-09-season/)against J-Kidd and the Mavs. And TP wasn’t gunning; he shot 54 percent from the field and matched his regular-season assist numbers despite San Antonio having exactly zero credible scoring threats after Tim Duncan.

When his back was against the wall, Paul sank into a corner. When the Hornets gave up early in the infamous Kobayashi Game (http://dimemag.com/2009/04/dime-smack-nba-playoffs-2009-nuggets-hornets-blowout-carmelo-anthony-joe-johnson-dwyane-wade-kobe-bryant/), CP gave up with them. On the other hand, Parker responded to bleak circumstances like a predator. Going into the postseason without Manu Ginobili, the Spurs got nothing from Roger Mason, Mike Finley and their other role players. They were literally a two-man team, and yet Parker by himself put a fright into Dallas. He owned a must-win Game Two, scoring 27 of his 38 points in the first half of a Spurs blowout. Then in a Game Four loss, Parker posted 43 points and four steals. Reminiscent of the ’07 Finals, he was San Antonio’s postseason MVP, even ahead of Duncan (http://dimemag.com/2009/03/tim-duncan-tony-parker-is-an-mvp-candidate/). Is CP capable of carrying his team like that against adversity when it matters most? Probably. But until he actually does it, “probably” is all he’s got.

Am I overrating what may simply have been a bad stretch for Paul, and a mere hot streak for Parker? Possibly. Or you could say that in those contrasting playoff performances, we got the short-film version of why TP had three championships and a Finals MVP to his name, while CP is still a conference-finals virgin.

Paul gets the nod over Parker defensively, and while TP’s passing is underrated, he is still a notch below CP in that aspect of the game. Their handle is about equal — Paul’s is just more flashy. But Parker is a much better scorer and shooter; his mid-range J is a vital part of the Spurs’ pick-and-roll, and he’s consistently among the League leaders in field-goal percentage despite being a small guard with seemingly no muscle on him.

I’ve covered this before: Parker has simply beaten everyone lined up across from him (including CP3 in their only playoff matchup (http://dimemag.com/2009/01/what-can-you-say-now/)), and no point guard over the last two decades has matched TP’s combined level of team and individual success. For me, that alone used to be enough to put Parker ahead of almost every PG in the world. After the ’09 playoffs, he’s advanced to the top of the class, vaulting past the NBA’s teacher’s pet in the process.

[Culburn369]

Parker.

Paul did not adjust to the adjustments made on him this past season. He's going to have to do that, expand his game & ratchet his talent, or, he'll continue to be flustered & taken advantage of.

[23LeBronJames23]

Right now i would take CP over TP without doubt.

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Parker.

Paul did not adjust to the adjustments made on him this past season. He's going to have to do that, expand his game & ratchet his talent, or, he'll continue to be flustered & taken advantage of.


Are you kidding?

Parker has one element to his game... penetration scoring (although he is damn good at that). He still is a very average passer, and can only hit the jumper when no one is within 10 feet of him, and still doesn't play defense. Not to mention he has a great coach and Timmy, while CP3 has a bunch of shitbags surrounding him that he somehow has actually been able to make look halfway decent.

[sonic21]

parker wouldn't have defered to janero pargo in the 4th quarter of a game 7.

[BUMP]

Parker.

Paul did not adjust to the adjustments made on him this past season. He's going to have to do that, expand his game & ratchet his talent, or, he'll continue to be flustered & taken advantage of.

Its easier when you have the greatest PF of all time on your team.

Both got ousted in 5 games anyway.

If you put Chris Paul on any decent team and they turn elite. CP3 is just nasty

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

parker wouldn't defer to janero pargo in the 4th quarter of a game 7.



I'm sure if Paul had a 20 point scorer at SG who was notorious for being a 4th quarter stud, he would have deferred to him instead of Pargo.

Likewise, I'm sure if Parker was playing with a bunch of scrubs and against a defense he was torching the entire series that decided to start forcing the ball out of his hands, he would have done what every PG is supposed to do and "taken what the defense was giving him", which on this occasion was an open player who was ice cold, but the entire season had been a reliable shooter.

[Spursfan092120]

can only hit the jumper when no one is within 10 feet of him
kT1t9BlU150

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If Tony Parker is on the Hornets instead of CP3, they not only don't sniff 50 wins, they'd be dreaming if they expected 40 wins.

[sonic21]

I'm sure if Paul had a 20 point scorer at SG who was notorious for being a 4th quarter stud, he would have deferred to him instead of Pargo.

Likewise, I'm sure if Parker was playing with a bunch of scrubs and against a defense he was torching the entire series that decided to start forcing the ball out of his hands, he would have done what every PG is supposed to do and "taken what the defense was giving him", which on this occasion was an open player who was ice cold, but the entire season had been a reliable shooter.

well yeah sure. but why did you think i was being serious?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

well yeah sure. but why did you think i was being serious?


Great question. I just realized the Ghazi connection.

[TDMVPDPOY]

both are different players....

one has all round game setting up players first b4 his offense...

while parker is a scoring PG....

either one is fine on the spurs....

cp3 better stop with the flopping....

[Culburn369]

I just think Parker has a bigger game. Parker at one time was where Paul is at now (struck a pose), Parker moved though, expanded his game, polished his talent, took people with him. Paul hasn't done that. Is he afraid to move, or, incapable of expansion?

[it's me]

sorry but...... CP3 and it's not even close..... put the flopper in the spurs with Tim and Manu ....and he will finally be a winner.

[hater]

It all depends what kinda team you have.

If you have a team full of garbage like the Hornets, Paul is the choice.

If you have a decent team, but need some more offensive punch and speed, Parker is the choice.

[anakha]

Eh, I have no problems with Paul being considered better.

*puts on Spurfan glasses*

Hell, just having Parker worthy of even being in the discussion is already a huge boon to the Spurs.

[Hornets1]

It all depends what kinda team you have.

If you have a team full of garbage like the Hornets, Paul is the choice.

If you have a decent team, but need some more offensive punch and speed, Parker is the choice.

That makes no fucking sense at all! You just said Paul is the choice if you have a crappy team. Paul is the choice either way. How can he be the choice only on a crappy team? Parker does fit the spurs style of play, but put Paul on the Spurs and they become a better team. Parker is a complete badass!He is faster and better at scoring, but is miles behid Paul in terms of being a PG. If Paul was on the spurs, he would average 15 assists a game, and the Spurs would be the team to beat.

The comparison of the playoffs is a fucking joke! If Paul played against Kidd in the playoffs, he would have fuckin owned that piece of shit all series long, just like he always has. Chauncy did outplay paul in the playoffs, easily, but chauncy is a beast, esp in the playoffs.

[hater]

That makes no fucking sense at all! You just said Paul is the choice if you have a crappy team. Paul is the choice either way. How can he be the choice only on a crappy team? Parker does fit the spurs style of play, but put Paul on the Spurs and they become a better team. Parker is a complete badass!He is faster and better at scoring, but is miles behid Paul in terms of being a PG. If Paul was on the spurs, he would average 15 assists a game, and the Spurs would be the team to beat.

The comparison of the playoffs is a fucking joke! If Paul played against Kidd in the playoffs, he would have fuckin owned that piece of shit all series long, just like he always has. Chauncy did outplay paul in the playoffs, easily, but chauncy is a beast, esp in the playoffs.

Paul is a better "PG" than Parker but he is also a ballhog and a flopper and when he's out of his game(which is often enought), he takes his whole team with him. Parker doesn't do any of that.

[baseline bum]

Chris Paul easily. TP is a year-in year-out all-star, but CP3 is a legit MVP candidate every year. Paul's the best PG I've seen since Isiah or Stockton.

[23LeBronJames23]

Put Parker on New Orleans and they wont make the playoffs in the West

[Hornets1]

I just think Parker has a bigger game. Parker at one time was where Paul is at now (struck a pose), Parker moved though, expanded his game, polished his talent, took people with him. Paul hasn't done that. Is he afraid to move, or, incapable of expansion?

Parker is faster and a better scorer, thats it. Paul is better an EVERYTHING ELSE! Shooting, passing, running the pick and roll, court vision, drawing and splitting double teams, drawing fouls, dribbling, controlling and running an offense, playing off the ball, taking over games, steals...............

When was Parker where Paul is now? Not even during his finals MVP campaign did he have production as good as Paul. Paul could/should have been league MVP in 07-08. His game has expanded more than anyone else in the last 4 years.

Chris Paul hasn't expanded his game?? This post is FULL OF SHIT!!!! Paul could/should have been league MVP in 07-08. His game has expanded more than anyone else in the last 4 years.


If someone says Parker is better, I can go with that b/c Parker is a Beast. But your reasoning is retarded.

[23LeBronJames23]

^ lol ^

[Hornets1]

we got your point hornet1

Sorry bout that. I edited that post 3 times, and it kept reposting it, but I deleted the mistake

[Hornets1]

Paul is a better "PG" than Parker but he is also a ballhog and a flopper and when he's out of his game(which is often enought), he takes his whole team with him. Parker doesn't do any of that.

Running an offense is a ballhog?

I still laugh everytime a spurs fan whines about flopping.........


He's rarely off his game, and the whole team falls with him b/c they don't know how to play well w/out paul running the team. Blame the "unsupporting" cast he works with, not Paul.

And please, please, please give a valid knock on Paul and not the ignorant ballhog/flopper/takes his team down bullshit. Give educated, not arrogant responses.

[Muser]

Paul

[noob cake]

CP3 and King Crab are really the only two players who could take a team of trash like the Hornets to the playoffs. (Seriously who the fuck on the Hornets actually has value?, CP3 and DWest?)

[La Peace]

Chris Paul is a better player than Tony Parker

[Hornets1]

CP3 and King Crab are really the only two players who could take a team of trash like the Hornets to the playoffs. (Seriously who the fuck on the Hornets actually has value?, CP3 and DWest?)

And OOKKKAAAFFFOOORRRR:lol!!!

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kT1t9BlU150

Sun shines on a dog's ass every once in a while.

[dirk4mvp]

How can Parker be better than Paul when he can't even beat JJ Barea?

[manufan10]

I would say it depends on the team and what you're looking for from your PG. If you're looking for a guy that creates shots for others, is a good defender, is a great passer and to "manage" (not in a bad way) your offense, then you go with Chris Paul. If you're looking for a guy who can penetrate, get into the paint, finish, or score, then you would go with TP. It all depends on the team.

[Hornets1]

Sun shines on a dog's ass every once in a while.

:lolWhy don't we just call Tim Duncan a 3-pt specialist while were at it:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCjH7tAAOo

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:lolWhy don't we just call Tim Duncan a 3-pt specialist while were at it:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCjH7tAAOo

I wouldn't put it past these spurfans to think that.

[Hornets1]

I would say it depends on the team and what you're looking for from your PG. If you're looking for a guy that creates shots for others, is a good defender, is a great passer and to "manage" (not in a bad way) your offense, then you go with Chris Paul. If you're looking for a guy who can penetrate, get into the paint, finish, or score, then you would go with TP. It all depends on the team.


Good Point. Good Post.:toast

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I think people are sleeping on CP3's scoring ability. He is as good, if not a better scorer than TP.

[Spursfan092120]

Sun shines on a dog's ass every once in a while.
So an AllStar is a dog's ass? What does that make most of the Mavericks, Phillip?

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So an AllStar is a dog's ass? What does that make most of the Mavericks, Phillip?

fail

[Spursfan092120]

fail
?? explain?

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?? explain?

I shouldn't have to. You missed the joke within, moron.

[Stringer_Bell]

Paul is a street ballin' hood rat. Parker is an NBA player.
Paul has better style. Parker has better substance.
Paul is surrounded by kids (and Peja). Parker is surrounded by professional athletes.

Who puts butts in the stadium seats? Paul.
Who would I trust to win me a championship? Parker.

Could go either way, for realz.

[Hornets1]

I think people are sleeping on CP3's scoring ability. He is as good, if not a better scorer than TP.

His average doesn't do his scoring ability justice. He usually doesn't even shoot in the 1st quarter. He tries to get everyone else going 1st. Parker is sick and 2nd to none at penetrating and getting to the rim. They are both great scorers, TP's style just gives him more attempts and he makes good of those attempts.

[Hornets1]

Paul is a street ballin' hood rat. Parker is an NBA player.
Paul has better style. Parker has better substance.
Paul is surrounded by kids (and Peja). Parker is surrounded by professional athletes.

Who puts butts in the stadium seats? Paul.
Who would I trust to win me a championship? Parker.

Could go either way, for realz.


I'm happy your backing Parker! I wouldn't want a dumbass w/ absolutely retarded reasons backing Paul, just makes that player look worse.:toast

[IronMexican]

Cp3

[coyotes_geek]

Paul is better than Parker. Not by some huge landside, but by enough to where arguements to the contrary are homer-esque.

[coyotes_geek]

I think people are sleeping on CP3's scoring ability. He is as good, if not a better scorer than TP.

I'd go for "as good".

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I'd go for "as good".

I'd go for better, because he can score by penetration very effectively himself, but is a much better jumpshooter, gets to the line more, and is a better FT shooter.

Plus its a lot easier to gameplan for CP3 than it is for TP because TP actually has a very good team around him, while you can just double and triple CP3 while daring his shitty teammates to beat you.

[DPG21920]

Why are people acting like having a 7 foot athletic big man in Chandler that can run the floor, a PF in West who has great range, one of the best 3 point shooters to play in Peja are nothing?

[Trainwreck2100]

Paul is a better pg by light years, better player is debatable

[IronMexican]

Why are people acting like having a 7 foot athletic big man in Chandler that can run the floor, a PF in West who has great range, one of the best 3 point shooters to play in Peja are nothing?

Chandler was hurt almost all of last season and Peja was building brick house for the Katrina victims all last season. When he has a good team around him, he showed us what he could do.

[coyotes_geek]

I'd go for better, because he can score by penetration very effectively himself, but is a much better jumpshooter, gets to the line more, and is a better FT shooter.

Plus its a lot easier to gameplan for CP3 than it is for TP because TP actually has a very good team around him, while you can just double and triple CP3 while daring his shitty teammates to beat you.

It's splitting hairs, both are very gifted scorers. I'd say Tony's a better penetrator and a more creative scorer around the paint, and I'd agree with you that Paul's better at getting to the line and better once he gets there. As far as shooters, Paul's better at 3's, but I think they're about equal shooting midrange behind screens.

[DPG21920]

Chandler was hurt almost all of last season and Peja was building brick house for the Katrina victims all last season. When he has a good team around him, he showed us what he could do.

Parker had Bonner starting, no Ginobili, with Finley and Mason. He only had Duncan.

I am talking about when they were healthy. When healthy he has plenty of talent around him. What could he do with a good team? Lose to Parker in the playoffs after having one of the top records in the west?

[23LeBronJames23]

Chandler was hurt almost all of last season and Peja was building brick house for the Katrina victims all last season. When he has a good team around him, he showed us what he could do.

lol but tru

[IronMexican]

Parker had Bonner starting, no Ginobili, with Finley and Mason. He only had Duncan.

I am talking about when they were healthy. What could he do with a good team? Lose to Parker in the playoffs after having one of the top records in the west?

When they were healthy and his team was clicking, CP3 showed what he could do in 2008.

And don't call Peja a 3 point shooter who could spread the floor.

[Trainwreck2100]

When they were healthy and his team was clicking, CP3 showed what he could do in 2008.

And don't call Peja a 3 point shooter who could spread the floor.

he does spread the floor, when he misses, the ball karams really far

[DPG21920]

I mean last year, the last time the Spurs and Hornets played,

TP had: Duncan, Bonner, Mason and Finley starting. With Kurt Thomas, Udoka, Bowen and Gooden on the bench.

CP3 had: Peja, West, Chandler and Butler starting. With Posey, Marks, Devin Brown and Antonio Daniels on the bench.

[DPG21920]

When they were healthy and his team was clicking, CP3 showed what he could do in 2008.

And don't call Peja a 3 point shooter who could spread the floor.

Just because you hate on Peja, does not make him a bad shooter. What did he do in 2008? Lost to Parker.

[Hornets1]

Why are people acting like having a 7 foot athletic big man in Chandler that can run the floor, a PF in West who has great range, one of the best 3 point shooters to play in Peja are nothing?

Chandler and Peja are always hurt.
It's funny how Paul's supporting casts either gets praised or dumped on, depending on the thread. If it's a thread bashing Paul and calling him overrated, his cast is praised and called underrated( which is the norm, seeing as it takes away from Paul and makes him seem less important and less-talented)

Some people need to make up their mind and stop flip-flopping like a politician.

[DPG21920]

Well, TP's supporting cast last year was not all-stars. Tim started out great, and still played well with managed minutes.

But Bonner, Finley and Mason as starter? That is not a strong line up and comparable with CP3's Hornets.

West gave the Hornets 21 PPG and 8.5 REB in 76 games.

Duncan gave the Spurs 19 PPG and 10.7 REB in 75 games.

[IronMexican]

Peja was good in 20088 but was horrawful last season.


And West is good, but I do think CP3 makes him look a bit better than he actually is.

[IronMexican]

And why would you think I hate Peja? I really don't hate anyone on the Hornets.

[DPG21920]

Peja was good in 20088 but was horrawful last season.


And West is good, but I do think CP3 makes him look a bit better than he actually is.

Ok, but your claim to CP3 is look what he can do in 2008 with a healthy team full of talented players. He lost to Parker in the playoffs. So what did he prove?

[in2deep]

Well, TP's supporting cast last year was not all-stars. Tim started out great, and still played well with managed minutes.

But Bonner, Finley and Mason as starter? That is not a strong line up and comparable with CP3's Hornets.

West gave the Hornets 21 PPG and 8.5 REB in 76 games.

Duncan gave the Spurs 19 PPG and 10.7 REB in 75 games.

this ^

Tony carried the Spurs for at least 1/2 the season and we ended up in 3rd place. we had Bonner, an old Bowen and an even older Finley playing major minutes. Not to mention Oberto an ancient Kurt Thomas, a rookie George Hill and injured Manu and Duncan.

lot of ppl underestimating Parker's value to the Spurs last season.

still CP3 is more valuable to Hornets, but what position did his team end up in?

[DPG21920]

I meant you were hating on him bc of a bad season. Not that you generally hate him.

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Why are people acting like having a 7 foot athletic big man in Chandler that can run the floor, a PF in West who has great range, one of the best 3 point shooters to play in Peja are nothing?


Parker had Bonner starting, no Ginobili, with Finley and Mason. He only had Duncan.

I am talking about when they were healthy. When healthy he has plenty of talent around him. What could he do with a good team? Lose to Parker in the playoffs after having one of the top records in the west?


I mean last year, the last time the Spurs and Hornets played,

TP had: Duncan, Bonner, Mason and Finley starting. With Kurt Thomas, Udoka, Bowen and Gooden on the bench.

CP3 had: Peja, West, Chandler and Butler starting. With Posey, Marks, Devin Brown and Antonio Daniels on the bench.


I love how spurfans underrate all spur players, and overrate all non-spur players in some discussions, then do vice versa in different discussions when its convenient.

[IronMexican]

Ok, but your claim to CP3 is look what he can do in 2008 with a healthy team full of talented players. He lost to Parker in the playoffs. So what did he prove?

He didn't lose to Parker in 2008. The Spurs beat the Hornets. Do you think the 2008 Hornets were as good as the 2008 Spurs? CP3 was making Chandler look great, and West was a meast. Peja still folded when it mattered, though. Who was the starting SG? Mo Pete, I think. Plus, that team had next to no bench.

[Hornets1]

Well, TP's supporting cast last year was not all-stars. Tim started out great, and still played well with managed minutes.

But Bonner, Finley and Mason as starter? That is not a strong line up and comparable with CP3's Hornets.

West gave the Hornets 21 PPG and 8.5 REB in 76 games.

Duncan gave the Spurs 19 PPG and 10.7 REB in 75 games.


Neither was Paul''s. Sure DWest made the all-star team, and I DO THINK he is an all-star, but no one else does, until a thread like this comes along..................

For a large part of the year, we were starting Paul, Butler, Wright, West, and Armstrong BC Peja and Chandler were out. Even when they were in the game, they were never 100%. Chandler had/has degenerative toe/foot issues and Peja's back will never be the same(PEJA NEEDS TO STOP HIS CHARITY BOWLING EVENT). Yea, its for charity, but ppl w/ bad backs who get paid $15 mill/year to shoot 3's SHOULDN'T BE BOWLING!

[DPG21920]

Is it not the truth?

Duncan is clearly better than West, but a hobbled Duncan comes back down to earth, even with good numbers as evidenced in the Mavs series.

LMFAO you trying to overrate Bonner/Mason/Finley. Keep in mind that I am the one who said the Spurs would lose in the playoffs to the Mavs bc I knew the talent disparity.

[DPG21920]

Neither was Paul''s. Sure DWest made the all-star team, and I DO THINK he is an all-star, but no one else does, until a thread like this comes along..................

For a large part of the year, we were starting Paul, Butler, Wright, West, and Armstrong BC Peja and Chandler were out. Even when they were in the game, they were never 100%. Chandler had/has degenerative toe/foot issues and Peja's back will never be the same(PEJA NEEDS TO STOP HIS CHARITY BOWLING EVENT). Yea, its for charity, but ppl w/ bad backs who get paid $15 mill/year to shoot 3's SHOULDN'T BE BOWLING!

I never said they were. I am saying everytime the Spurs and Hornets have comparable talent, TP does better.

[Hornets1]

this ^

Tony carried the Spurs for at least 1/2 the season and we ended up in 3rd place. we had Bonner, an old Bowen and an even older Finley playing major minutes. Not to mention Oberto an ancient Kurt Thomas, a rookie George Hill and injured Manu and Duncan.

lot of ppl underestimating Parker's value to the Spurs last season.

still CP3 is more valuable to Hornets, but what position did his team end up in?
We were the #7 seed, and you guys were #3 right. We would have been #5 or 6 and you guys would have been #3 or #4 if Finley doesn't send that game into overtime. Talk about splitting hairs.....(Great shot by Finley by the way, I got sick to my stomach the second he put that shot up...... I knew it would find the net).

There was what? 3-4 games seperating #3 seed from the #8 seed? That's nothing in an 82 game season.

It's really comical how some people's perspective changes 180 degrees from thread to thread.

[23LeBronJames23]

Name PPG APG RPG SPG BPG FT 3% FG%
CP 22.8 11 5.5 2.8 0.1 .868 .364 .503
TP 22.0 6.9 3.1 .9 0.1 .782 .292 .506

CP3>>>TP9

[in2deep]

We were the #7 seed, and you guys were #3 right. We would have been #5 or 6 and you guys would have been #3 or #4 if Finley doesn't send that game into overtime. Talk about splitting hairs.....(Great shot by Finley by the way, I got sick to my stomach the second he put that shot up...... I knew it would find the net).

There was what? 3-4 games seperating #3 seed from the #8 seed? That's nothing in an 82 game season.

It's really comical how some people's perspective changes 180 degrees from thread to thread.

so you do agree Parker is almost as valuable as CP3 las season correct?

[DPG21920]

He didn't lose to Parker in 2008. The Spurs beat the Hornets. Do you think the 2008 Hornets were as good as the 2008 Spurs? CP3 was making Chandler look great, and West was a meast. Peja still folded when it mattered, though. Who was the starting SG? Mo Pete, I think. Plus, that team had next to no bench.

So, now Paul didn't have the talent in 2008 like you claimed? So why make the argument "look at what he did in 2008 when he has talent"?

Chandler also helped bail CP3 out on defense and helped guard Duncan pretty damn efficiently.

I think the Spurs won because overall the Spurs had a better team, but if CP3 was so much better than TP, he had the talent to overcome. It did go to game 7, in New Orleans.

[Hornets1]

Is it not the truth?

Duncan is clearly better than West, but a hobbled Duncan comes back down to earth, even with good numbers as evidenced in the Mavs series.

LMFAO you trying to overrate Bonner/Mason/Finley. Keep in mind that I am the one who said the Spurs would lose in the playoffs to the Mavs bc I knew the talent disparity.


Who is overrating them? Where?

[DPG21920]

Point is, that the argument, "look at the talent" or "what CP3 does with less talent" is not really truthful.

I think CP3 is better, but it that does not mean you have to undervalue TP at the same time.

[DPG21920]

Who is overrating them? Where?

When people are saying "look at how you overrate the Hornets when it suits you, but underrate them later...."

They are doing the same thing when they say Parker had more to work with last year.

Having Mason/Bonner/Finley starting is just as bad as the starter for the Hornets.

Given, Duncan was still able to beast for the first half of the season, and still be effective into the playoffs.

[23LeBronJames23]

there is no fuckin way that parker is better than paul.

CP3 owns TP9 in every possible catogorie

[lefty]

Tony Parker.







Because I'm a homer.

[Hornets1]

So, now Paul didn't have the talent in 2008 like you claimed? So why make the argument "look at what he did in 2008 when he has talent"?

Chandler also helped bail CP3 out on defense and helped guard Duncan pretty damn efficiently.

I think the Spurs won because overall the Spurs had a better team, but if CP3 was so much better than TP, he had the talent to overcome. It did go to game 7, in New Orleans.

TP didn't win the series, the Spurs did. Paul and Parker both played great. Maybe the funnest PG vs. PG series I have ever seen. I was at game 7 and didn't think we were going to win b/c of the Spurs postseason experience, and we almost won at the end, but it just wasn't meant to be. 10 players play at a time, not 2. Paul did AMAZING for his 1st playoff run, better than Parker.


Paul can't beat the Spurs by himself(That's not a knock, that would just be super-human). Yeah, Paul is the better player and PG, but I'm not trying to take away from Parker, who is an Amazing player, top 3 PG and top 10 player IMO.

[nkdlunch]

Before last season I would have picked Paul 10 times out of 10.

But now, the difference is very small. Parker has proven he can carry a team, in a different way, but still carry a team. I still pick paul, but I am not liking his flopping whining ways. I would not be mad if I ended up with Parker instead of Paul at this point.

[IronMexican]

So, now Paul didn't have the talent in 2008 like you claimed? So why make the argument "look at what he did in 2008 when he has talent"?

Chandler also helped bail CP3 out on defense and helped guard Duncan pretty damn efficiently.

I think the Spurs won because overall the Spurs had a better team, but if CP3 was so much better than TP, he had the talent to overcome. It did go to game 7, in New Orleans.

That was CP3's best team and it really wasn't as good as one of the worst Spur teams this decade(The 99-00 team and 08-09 teams were probably worse)

I think CP3 is the better player, PG, any other way you wanna put it. I think they are on par as far as scoring, but once you get to CP3's passing ability, it puts him on another level. It's really no knock on Parker. I think he or D-Will is the second best PG.

Can you tell me why you think Parker is the better player?


Edit: and I only said the 99-00 team cause TD got hurt.

[DPG21920]

^ Exactly.

Looking at what TP did this year with a team that really over achieved, the gap has closed in my mind. It is still CP3, but it is closer than I once believed.

[sonic21]

West is two time allstar
Peja is a perenial allstar
Pargo is an allstar in Russia
Chandler is DPOY material.
Mo williams is freaking underrated.

In 2008 he had the best supporting cast in the league and still manage to lose to the spurs.

Hope you're convinced.

:hat

[stretch]

Before last season I would have picked Paul 10 times out of 10.

But now, the difference is very small. Parker has proven he can carry a team, in a different way, but still carry a team. I still pick paul, but I am not liking his flopping whining ways. I would not be mad if I ended up with Parker instead of Paul at this point.

One of the few posts of yours that actualy makes sense. Keep it up, fagboy. :toast

[IronMexican]

And also, that kinda proves another point that big man > PG. I remember you said you'd take a great PG over a great big. When the 3 best PG's can't get out of the first round, it shows you something.

[DPG21920]

That was CP3's best team and it really wasn't as good as one of the worst Spur teams this decade(The 99-00 team and 08-09 teams were probably worse)

I think CP3 is the better player, PG, any other way you wanna put it. I think they are on par as far as scoring, but once you get to CP3's passing ability, it puts him on another level. It's really no knock on Parker. I think he or D-Will is the second best PG.

Can you tell me why you think Parker is the better player?


Edit: and I only said the 99-00 team cause TD got hurt.


Point is, that the argument, "look at the talent" or "what CP3 does with less talent" is not really truthful.

I think CP3 is better, but it that does not mean you have to undervalue TP at the same time.


^ Exactly.

Looking at what TP did this year with a team that really over achieved, the gap has closed in my mind. It is still CP3, but it is closer than I once believed.

[stretch]

West is two time allstar
Peja is a perenial allstar
Pargo is an allstar in Russia
Chandler is DPOY material.
Mo williams is freaking underrated.

In 2008 he had the best supporting cast in the league and still manage to lose to the spurs.

Hope you're convinced.

:hat

Mo Williams? I thought he was a Buck before going to Cleveland?

[IronMexican]

Before last season I would have picked Paul 10 times out of 10.

But now, the difference is very small. Parker has proven he can carry a team, in a different way, but still carry a team. I still pick paul, but I am not liking his flopping whining ways. I would not be mad if I ended up with Parker instead of Paul at this point.

This, I agree with. In 2008, I would undoubtebly say CP3. I think the gap has closed as TP got much better in 2009.

[sonic21]

Mo Williams? I thought he was a Buck before going to Cleveland?

i don't remember the name of their SG

[IronMexican]

I didn't read the post about you saying CP3 was better till after I posted that. Sounds like we agree.

[DPG21920]

That was CP3's best team and it really wasn't as good as one of the worst Spur teams this decade(The 99-00 team and 08-09 teams were probably worse)

I think CP3 is the better player, PG, any other way you wanna put it. I think they are on par as far as scoring, but once you get to CP3's passing ability, it puts him on another level. It's really no knock on Parker. I think he or D-Will is the second best PG.

Can you tell me why you think Parker is the better player?


Edit: and I only said the 99-00 team cause TD got hurt.

Dude, Manu had his best year in 2008. They were a very good team. I said the Spurs had a better team, but Paul had a healthy and talented team himself. It was not a wide gap imo in talent between the two team in 2008.

[picc84]

It's splitting hairs, both are very gifted scorers. I'd say Tony's a better penetrator and a more creative scorer around the paint, and I'd agree with you that Paul's better at getting to the line and better once he gets there. As far as shooters, Paul's better at 3's, but I think they're about equal shooting midrange behind screens.

I'd agree with all this except the midrange. They are about equal on set shots from there, but Parker is much better at shooting off the dribble from midrange. Paul is better at 3's but the margin is wider in their midrange shots.

About equal on the teardrops too.

Of course, CP is clearly the better player, however they differ on scoring and shooting.

[Hornets1]

Before last season I would have picked Paul 10 times out of 10.

But now, the difference is very small. Parker has proven he can carry a team, in a different way, but still carry a team. I still pick paul, but I am not liking his flopping whining ways. I would not be mad if I ended up with Parker instead of Paul at this point.

Ok, thats just confusing

I truly think the Spurs became Parker's team last year, not duncans. I really like watching TP and was one of the few who voted for him over duncan in the DAF polls.

Again, Thank you for the laugh.(I laugh each and everytime a spurs' fan bitches about flopping).

[Muser]

If the Spurs could trade Parker for Paul straight up then they would be fools to turn it down.

[j-money24]

Give me Deron Williams over those 2.

[Hornets1]

West is two time allstar I AGREE WITH THAT
Peja is a perenial allstar WAS, NOW WAY PAST HIS PRIME WITH BACK ISSUES
Pargo is an allstar in Russia NO HE ISN'T. KBP said he is a scrub in russia
Chandler is DPOY material. GOTTA BE HEALTHY FOR ANOTHER WHOLE SEASON FOR THAT TO HAPPEN
Mo williams is freaking underrated. You mean mo-pete? no he's not underrated. He's rated just fine. A decent SG.

In 2008 he had the best supporting cast in the league and still manage to lose to the spurs.

Hope you're convinced.

:hat

:rollin:rollin:rollinTypical Spurs fans' finally praising Paul's supporting cast just so you can take away from Paul and give to Parker.

Well done and thank you for proving Stretch and I's point.

My real question is: Do you actually believe the bias, flip-flopping bullshit you post, or does it take some self-convincing?

[23LeBronJames23]

Give me Deron Williams over those 2.

Deron and TP is a closer match

Chris Paul is on a higher lvl than those two

[My Fault]

CP3 is the better player. Parker in the playoffs is better but Parker has mature and been there done that. In time I'm sure Paul will step it up in the playoffs and show he is truly the better of the two. Right now Parker is a great scorer and the type of PG that fits the Spurs. Paul is the type of PG NO needs. However I wouldn't say Parker is to far behind Paul. Just two different type of PGs. Pass first vs score first

[sonic21]

:rollin:rollin:rollinTypical Spurs fans' finally praising Paul's supporting cast just so you can take away from Paul and give to Parker.

Well done and thank you for proving Stretch and I's point.

My real question is: Do you actually believe the bias, flip-flopping bullshit you post, or does it take some self-convincing?

well i wasn't being serious, i thought it was obvious.

[xtremesteven33]

1. CP3
2. Parker
3. Williams
4. Rondo
5. Nash

[BUMP]

:lol

If the Spurs traded TP for Paul straight up, these same Spurfans that are defending Parker, would remind us nonstop how much of an upgrade they got. (And all of a sudden how their mediocre bench, is all of a sudden great)

[Ghazi]

CP3 and King Crab are really the only two players who could take a team of trash like the Hornets to the playoffs. (Seriously who the fuck on the Hornets actually has value?, CP3 and DWest?)

I don't get it. Are you implying Cp3 is a top 2 player in the league?

They make the playoffs w/ Wade/Bryant as well.

[Hornets1]

well i wasn't being serious, i thought it was obvious.

I can usually tell when you're not being serious; This wasn't one of those times:toast

[Hornets1]

I don't get it. Are you implying Cp3 is a top 2 player in the league?

They make the playoffs w/ Wade/Bryant as well.

I agree w/ Wade and Bryant, but thats it. Yea, Paul is one of the top 4 in the league(putting Howard over him is a joke).

Paul/Wade/Bron/Kobe = In a League of their own

[sonic21]

I agree w/ Wade and Bryant, but thats it. Yea, Paul is one of the top 4 in the league(putting Howard over him is a joke).

Paul/Wade/Bron/Kobe = In a League of their own

durant will soon be on that list

[Hornets1]

durant will soon be on that list

I agree with that 100%. Durant is an absolute monster!

[JamStone]

Agree with many who think if Chris Paul replaced Tony, he and the Spurs would be even better while replacing CP3 with Tony would probably not make the Hornets a better team.

Although both are tremendously talented and just really great players and yeah Chris Paul is a drama queen, but he's better than Tony.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

For those who say Parker is a better scorer than Paul....explain please....last year Paul averaged more PPG while attempting less shots.

[xtremesteven33]

Chris Paul is a douchebag but damnit hes the best PG since Magic IMO....

[sonic21]

i don't know about better scorer, but parker is the better finisher.

[23LeBronJames23]

durant will soon be on that list

ill bet to anybody 100 bucks that durant gon be on the All Star team this season.

unless durant brakes his hand by getting blocked by lebron.amnd will sit out whole season

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Chris Paul over Tony in an absolute heartbeat.

[DJB]

I think the article actually sums it up pretty well, I don't know why you idiots are even trying to argue your lame analysis of the two. Everything in the article is loud and clear and makes perfect sense.

[BRHornet45]

For those who say Parker is a better scorer than Paul....explain please....last year Paul averaged more PPG while attempting less shots.

LOL son don't bother bringing FACTS into this ... you should know by now that the facts means NOTHING to the CP3 haters here!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

LOL son don't bother bringing FACTS into this ... you should know by now that the facts means NOTHING to the CP3 haters here!!!


But Parker's international career is so impressive

:cheer:cheer:cheer:cheer:cheer

[Brazil]

I would say it depends on the team and what you're looking for from your PG. If you're looking for a guy that creates shots for others, is a good defender, is a great passer and to "manage" (not in a bad way) your offense, then you go with Chris Paul. If you're looking for a guy who can penetrate, get into the paint, finish, or score, then you would go with TP. It all depends on the team.

^this

Overall CP3 is a better player than TP even for an homer like me but IMO in 2009 the gap has decreased a lot especially for one serie in PO. I know one serie isn't representative but TP has demonstrated that he is a winner, he did his best and put impressive numbers untill the last game, on the contrary it seems CP3 gave up a litle. The other interesting thing about TP is that he is progressing every year step by step, he works a lot to improve his game in the objective to improve his team not his personnal stat, he will never average 11 assists per game but he is reaching working hard all of his skills can give. Still CP3 > TP / DW.

oh and :lol at everybody calling spurs fans homers when everybody in this thread is saying cp3>tp, I think the only one with a different opinion is a laker fan.

[z0sa]

TP is the disputed #2 best PG. CP3 is undisputed #1.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I know one serie isn't representative but TP has demonstrated that he is a winner, he did his best and put impressive numbers untill the last game, on the contrary it seems CP3 gave up a litle.


Both teams lost in 5 games. Parker was no more of a "winner" last season than Paul was.

[Brazil]

Both teams lost in 5 games. Parker was no more of a "winner" last season than Paul was.

I mean he demonstrated a winning spirit even if the team lost, he fought during the whole serie. In 5 games he averaged 29 / 4 / 7 while shooting 55% ! during the RS he was at 22 / 3 / 7 at 51% when Paul in 5 games gave a 17 / 4 / 10 at 41% vs. a RS at 23 / 5 / 11 at 50%. In my mind when you are a winner in your head you don't give up even if you only have 0,1% chance to succeed especially in PO.

Oh and talking about supporting cast, in the Dallas serie Parker was close to be the second best rebounder of the team. In 5 games TD 8 RPG, Udoka and Thomas at 4,6 and TP at 4,2 RPG, how pathetic is that ?

[Goran Dragic]

I mean he demonstrated a winning spirit even if the team lost, he fought during the whole serie. In 5 games he averaged 29 / 4 / 7 while shooting 55% ! during the RS he was at 22 / 3 / 7 at 51% when Paul in 5 games gave a 17 / 4 / 10 at 41% vs. a RS at 23 / 5 / 11 at 50%. In my mind when you are a winner in your head you don't give up even if you only have 0,1% chance to succeed especially in PO.

Oh and talking about supporting cast, in the Dallas serie Parker was close to be the second best rebounder of the team. In 5 games TD 8 RPG, Udoka and Thomas at 4,6 and TP at 4,2 RPG, how pathetic is that ?


One was being guarded by Chauncey Billups, the other by JJ Barea. The last time Billups guarded Parker in a playoff series, he scored 12 points or less in 4 of the 7 games, and only had one 20+ point game.

[DPG21920]

Was Kidd hurt?

[Brazil]

One was being guarded by Chauncey Billups, the other by JJ Barea. The last time Billups guarded Parker in a playoff series, he scored 12 points or less in 4 of the 7 games, and only had one 20+ point game.

so you are saying CB>CP3 ? maybe you're right at least in this serie.

oh and Parker has not being guarded by Barea. When was the last time Billups guarded Parker in a PO serie?

[Goran Dragic]

Was Kidd hurt?


JJ Barea was guarding Parker, that's why he started in the back court with Kidd.

[Hornets1]

so you are saying CB>CP3 ? maybe you're right at least in this serie.

oh and Parker has not being guarded by Barea. When was the last time Billups guarded Parker in a PO serie?

Billups was the best PG in the playoffs this year IMO.

[Goran Dragic]

oh and Parker has not being guarded by Barea. When was the last time Billups guarded Parker in a PO serie?

2005 finals brah.

And I guess I could be wrong, but I specifically remember reading Dallas was inserting JJ Barea into the starting lineup to guard Parker and matchup better. Either way, Billups >>>>>>> Kidd defensively.

[Goran Dragic]

so you are saying CB>CP3 ? maybe you're right at least in this serie.

No, I'm saying it's a lot easier to put up numbers on Dallas' perimeter defense than it is on Denver's.

[Brazil]

Billups was the best PG in the playoffs this year IMO.

I agree with that, still it was an upset for Paul and the hornets to see Billups dominating this serie.

[Brazil]

No, I'm saying it's a lot easier to put up numbers on Dallas' perimeter defense than it is on Denver's.

I agree with that but this is one thing to put up huge numbers on Dallas' perimeter defense (TP added 7 points at his RS number while shooting 55% ! difficult to ask for more) and another thing to see the best PG in the league (top 5 overall) being highly dominated by Billups ! Denver is a good team but we are not talking about the 2008 Celtics.

[Hornets1]

I agree with that, still it was an upset for Paul and the hornets to see Billups dominating this serie.

It was very, very upsetting.........

We were limping going into that series, so the series was never bound to be pretty from a hornets' perspective, and it wasn't pretty at all.....

[Goran Dragic]

I agree with that but this is one thing to put up huge numbers on Dallas' perimeter defense (TP added 7 points at his RS number while shooting 55% ! difficult to ask for more) and another thing to see the best PG in the league (top 5 overall) being highly dominated by Billups ! Denver is a good team but we are not talking about the 2008 Celtics.


I'm not a big fan of either CP3 or Parker, and yes I do agree his numbers in the Dallas series were good, but they weren't any better than the monster series CP3 had against Dallas a year prior.

And yeah, no one expected him to get dominated by Billups like that, but Billups is arguably the most established, proven stud PG in the playoffs. It wasn't a huge surprise or anything.

[DPG21920]

Well that is not a fair comparison.

In 2008, the Hornets had a team that was healthy and talented. This year, besides Duncan, TP had to do it himself. The Mavs only had to worry about stopping TP and they could not.

[Hornets1]

I'm not a big fan of either CP3 or Parker, and yes I do agree his numbers in the Dallas series were good, but they weren't any better than the monster series CP3 had against Dallas a year prior.

And yeah, no one expected him to get dominated by Billups like that, but Billups is arguably the most established, proven stud PG in the playoffs. It wasn't a huge surprise or anything.

Not a big fan of the competition, eh?:lol

[Goran Dragic]

Not a big fan of the competition, eh?:lol


I don't have any competition. I'm on my own level.

[IronMexican]

Billups was the best PG in the playoffs this year IMO.

Till the WCF started. Apart from 2004, he's shriveled up the moment he hits the CF.

He was something else in 2004 though.

[Brazil]

2005 finals brah.

And I guess I could be wrong, but I specifically remember reading Dallas was inserting JJ Barea into the starting lineup to guard Parker and matchup better. Either way, Billups >>>>>>> Kidd defensively.

Exactly my point, the last CB / TP in PO was 4 years ago, CB was still in his prime and among the best NBA players, TP was a young gifted PG. In 2005 CB was > TP, not a surprise to see Billups dominating this serie and 05 Pistons D >>> 09 Denver.

[Goran Dragic]

Till the WCF started. Apart from 2004, he's shriveled up the moment he hits the CF.

He was something else in 2004 though.

2005 he played great in the ECF and the finals.

[Goran Dragic]

Exactly my point, the last CB / TP in PO was 4 years ago, CB was still in his prime and among the best NBA players, TP was a young gifted PG. In 2005 CB was > TP, not a surprise to see Billups dominating this serie and 05 Pistons D >>> 09 Denver.


2005 was TP's 4th season
2009 was CP3's 4th season

[sonic21]

Paul is better but i do believe parker is underrated here.

[Brazil]

2005 was TP's 4th season
2009 was CP3's 4th season

Absolutely but
1. as I already said CP3>TP
2. CB was 4 years younger 2005 CB >>>> 2009 CB

To sum up seeing Billups dominate the serie is a significant upset in 2009 and normal in 2005 (and I actually think that considering the context: Billups in his prime and Detroit being an impressive defensive team, Parker did reasonably well)

[Goran Dragic]

I'd love to see the stats Parker would put up with David West and what CP3 would put up with Tim Duncan.

[Goran Dragic]

1. as I already said CP3>TP


Then I apologize for arguing.

[Hornets1]

I don't have any competition. I'm on my own level.

:rollin:rollinNice!:toast

[sonic21]

I'd love to see the stats Parker would put up with David West and what CP3 would put up with Tim Duncan.

less assists?

[Goran Dragic]

less assists?


He might have a few less assists, but he'd shoot a noticeably higher % than he does and he'd score more point.

[Brazil]

Then I apologize for arguing.

:rollin this is the whole point. There is no doubt in my mind CP3 is a better player but I like a lot TP for maximizing all his potential year after year working hard for the good of the team and for the fact he has always delivered when it matters meaning I never was disappointed by TP on a PO serie.

[Goran Dragic]

I wouldn't say TP has "maximized his potential. For a 6'1" PG who seems to have normal sized hands, his jumper could be a lot better.

[Goran Dragic]

Other than that though yeah he has progressed a ton since entering the NBA.

[Hornets1]

:rollin this is the whole point. There is no doubt in my mind CP3 is a better player but I like a lot TP for maximizing all his potential year after year working hard for the good of the team and for the fact he has always delivered when it matters meaning I never was disappointed by TP on a PO serie.

If TP, not CP, was the Hornet's PG last year in the Nuggets series, you would have been disappointed in TP's play IMO(w/ billups and dantay locking him down)

Could be wrong. It is ,obviously, just an educated guess.

[sonic21]

I wouldn't say TP has "maximized his potential. For a 6'1" PG who seems to have normal sized hands, his jumper could be a lot better.

guys like nash and billups improved their jumper when they were near 30. I think there's still hope for him to be better.

[Brazil]

If TP, not CP, was the Hornet's PG last year in the Nuggets series, you would have been disappointed in TP's play IMO(w/ billups and dantay locking him down)

Could be wrong. It is ,obviously, just an educated guess.

I see your point but we are laughing at barrea guarding TP (which is not true btw) and we forget that the whole Dallas team on D had one main point of attention and it was Parker and he did well.

Nevertheless I do agree Billups is a serious client and this Denver team is a good team maybe TP would have struggled also but don't you think that part of the problem was the fact that CP3 gave up a litle in this serie ?

[mardigan]

For those who say Parker is a better scorer than Paul....explain please....last year Paul averaged more PPG while attempting less shots.

:lol
Might have something to do with the fact that Paul took 111 more 3's than Parker did, and still averaged only .8 more points. And Parker only took 8 more shots during the season, not a big difference. Parker also had a higher fg%, 54 to 50, and averaged less turnovers. For me, that argument doesn't hold any weight.

All that said though, you would have to take CP3 over Tony as he is the better all around player. And that pains me to say as I fucking hate Chris Paul.

[Hornets1]

I see your point but we are laughing at barrea guarding TP (which is not true btw) and we forget that the whole Dallas team on D had one main point of attention and it was Parker and he did well.

Nevertheless I do agree Billups is a serious client and this Denver team is a good team maybe TP would have struggled also but don't you think that part of the problem was the fact that CP3 gave up a litle in this serie ?

It very well could be. Paul seemed to get too frustrated in the series, b/c of how well they defended him. He prolly had all of these ways to beat the Denver D, but they countered each and every time. They guarded him better than the Jazz do, which is saying a lot.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lol
Might have something to do with the fact that Paul took 111 more 3's than Parker did, and still averaged only .8 more points. And Parker only took 8 more shots during the season, not a big difference. Parker also had a higher fg%, 54 to 50, and averaged less turnovers. For me, that argument doesn't hold any weight.

All that said though, you would have to take CP3 over Tony as he is the better all around player. And that pains me to say as I fucking hate Chris Paul.

1) Parker shot 50.6% from the field last year, not 54%. Paul shot 50.3% from the field. Not really that big a difference.

2) Yes, Paul took more threes. What's your point? Do threes not count? The fact one is a better 3 point shooter than the other plays a role in determining who the better scorer is. Attempting 10 threes and making 4 is no worse than attempting 10 layups and making 6.

3) Paul averaged 3.0 turnovers, Parker averaged 2.6. If you're allowed to ignore the .8 point differential, then I get to ignore the .4 turnover differential.

I never said Paul is a better scorer than Parker, I simply said it's dumb that some people in this thread compare the two as if it's a widely accepted opinion Parker is a much better scorer than Paul.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

guys like nash and billups improved their jumper when they were near 30. I think there's still hope for him to be better.


I agree, my only point was he hasn't "maximized" his potential when his jumper is in the shape it's in.

[mardigan]

1)
I never said Paul is a better scorer than Parker, I simply said it's dumb that some people in this thread compare the two as if it's a widely accepted opinion Parker is a much better scorer than Paul.

That's how Spurstalk rolls. I'm actually surprised so many Spur fans have actually said CP3 was better.

[Brazil]

:lol


All that said though, you would have to take CP3 over Tony as he is the better all around player. And that pains me to say as I fucking hate Chris Paul.

exactly my thought.

Well I'm not going to say I hate him but I don't like him but who cares he is a great great player and I respect that.

[Hornets1]

:lol
Might have something to do with the fact that Paul took 111 more 3's than Parker did, and still averaged only .8 more points. And Parker only took 8 more shots during the season, not a big difference. Parker also had a higher fg%, 54 to 50, and averaged less turnovers. For me, that argument doesn't hold any weight.

All that said though, you would have to take CP3 over Tony as he is the better all around player. And that pains me to say as I fucking hate Chris Paul.

Wrong!
Real Stats from last year

Parker:
50.6% FG/ 27.8% 3pt/ 77.7% FT/ 20.9 eff/ .93 SPG/ 2.58 TO

Paul:
50.3% FG/ 36.4% 3pt/ 86.8% FT/ 29.2 eff/ 2.77SPG/ 2.96 TO

Paul averages almost a half a turnover more per game(.48), but more thatn makes up for it with his advantage of 1.84 more SPG.

The proof is in the pudding.

[baseline bum]

Till the WCF started. Apart from 2004, he's shriveled up the moment he hits the CF.

He was something else in 2004 though.

I don't know about that. Billups was a monster against the Spurs in game 5 of the 05 Finals. It was like Billups and Horry were just trading shots late in that game.

[Brazil]

#3) Tony Parker (has no D whatsoever)

:rolleyes yeah right Nash D >>>>> TP D

[mardigan]

Wrong!
Real Stats from last year

Parker:
50.6% FG/ 27.8% 3pt/ 77.7% FT/ 20.9 eff/ .93 SPG/ 2.58 TO

Paul:
50.3% FG/ 36.4% 3pt/ 86.8% FT/ 29.2 eff/ 2.77SPG/ 2.96 TO

Paul averages almost a half a turnover more per game(.48), but more thatn makes up for it with his advantage of 1.84 more SPG.

The proof is in the pudding.

Yea dude, DoK already showed me whats up. My fault.

[23LeBronJames23]

Wrong!
Real Stats from last year

Parker:
50.6% FG/ 27.8% 3pt/ 77.7% FT/ 20.9 eff/ .93 SPG/ 2.58 TO

Paul:
50.3% FG/ 36.4% 3pt/ 86.8% FT/ 29.2 eff/ 2.77SPG/ 2.96 TO

Paul averages almost a half a turnover more per game(.48), but more thatn makes up for it with his advantage of 1.84 more SPG.

The proof is in the pudding.

how about PPG APG and RPG cp3 owns parker in all those catagories

[whottt]

Chris Paul's stats wouldn't be as eyepopping if he played for the Spurs I do know that. What some of you guys are doing is saying neither of their stats would change if their teams changed and that's not true. Tony Parker's assist total would go up if he played on most other teams. And Paul's numbers would go down if he played with other guys capable of running an offense(like Duncan or Manu) unless he just hooged the ball, which would be a liability, not a plus.


That said, there's no doubt Chris Paul can carry a team to a playoff birth pretty much by himself and Parker hasn't proven that yet(and hopefully will never have to because the Spurs won't be winning a title if he has to do so).

I've got no problems saying Paul is better...as baseline bum said, it's a case of a perennial All Star Vs a perennial MVP. I don't think anyone can say conclusively Tony Parker could not carry a team to the playoffs(or win 50 games) though. While at one time I might have agreed with that when he was younger, I don't really agree with it anymore, Parker routinely carries the Spurs to wins now...and he was arguably the best player on the Spurs last year...and when you can say that about a player who played on the same team with Tim Duncan, he's pretty damn good.


Parker's assist totals are just as much a product of the Spurs system as they are any perceived inability to pass...it's more a case of Tony doesn't make more passes than it is a case that he can't.

A. His coach wants him to have a score first mentality.
B. He plays with Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili.
C. Poppovich is his coach, and if you don't play the way Pop likes, you don't play, if he can help it.

[mogrovejo]

Paul. Williams is better than both though. Paul dominates the ball way too much for my liking.

Parker is #3, but I agree his floor-general skills are very underrated. The Spurs offense runs like a Swizz clock and he's a very big reason why.

Williams
Paul
.
Parker
.
.
Billups, Nash, Rondo

[23LeBronJames23]

Paul. Williams is better than both though. Paul dominates the ball way too much for my liking.

Parker is #3, but I agree his floor-general skills are very underrated. The Spurs offense runs like a Swizz clock and he's a very big reason why.

Williams
Paul
.
Parker
.
.
Billups, Nash, Rondo

how is williams better than Paul

[sonic21]

:rolleyes yeah right Nash D >>>>> TP D

don't worry, Spurstrodamus is retarded, nobody is taking him seriously.

[BRHornet45]

sons there are so many choking vagina's in this thread that I am lost for words

[Chieflion]

I am looking for Ghazi to say something stupid first.

[TJastal]

I'd love to see the stats Parker would put up with David West and what CP3 would put up with Tim Duncan.

So would I. And I would wager the stats would be about the same for Parker but worse for Paul.

Why?

A healthy chunk of Paul's game is the P&R lob pass & dunk. Paul is going to miss having Chandler there to get those 3-4 easy gimme dunks every game. Those 6-10 surefire points every game really made those two players special together and made them appear better than they really are. It will become evident more than ever this upcoming season. Without Chandler to make Paul look great, he is going to take a step back. And without Paul to spot him many easy dunks every game, Chandler's days as a starting quality center are as good as done.

Okafor I think will be lucky to get 1 lob pass per game. Duncan would probably be lucky to even see a handful of those patented Paul lobs in a whole season.

Paul's game was perfectly matched with Chandler's, and I mean absolutely perfect. One could argue that Paul helped Chandler statistically. But on the other side of the coin, it was also Chandler that helped Paul. Now that the duo is broken up, both individuals will be < the sum of the two.

On the other side of the coin, you have Parker and Duncan, both of whom are very well suited to each other (each knows the other so well and play off of each other brilliantly), and will still be playing together unlike Paul / Chandler. In this light, I don't think Chris Paul would be better than Tony Parker in the spurs system... his style doesn't compliment Duncan at all.

So, in closing.. you are just... wrong.

[anakha]

I don't believe I've EVER seen Tony Parker take or even attempt to take a charge. Nash repeatedly takes charges.

So in your logic, no charges = no defense?

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Sotongball21]

You can't really compare the two players. It's really unfair.
One has a system based on him, Paul. And the other has a system he has to follow.
Paul's team is built around him. Paul passes to them and they just shoot.
The Spurs is not built around Parker, he wouldn't have a huge assist number.

AND

Paul cannot score a lot because the opponent's defense is to stop him first. In the Spurs, they need to double team duncan, opening parker up.

They are really different players, One is a borderline Franchise player and the other a dam good All-Star.

Its really a difficult comparison and people are going to compare them for years to come. But, i wouldn't be an idiot and do that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I don't believe I've EVER seen Tony Parker take or even attempt to take a charge. Nash repeatedly takes charges.


What drugs was your mom doing when she was pregnant?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

2) You are from like... France. Stick to the Euro League.

And you stick to the special olympics league.

[stretch]

So would I. And I would wager the stats would be about the same for Parker but worse for Paul.

Why?

A healthy chunk of Paul's game is the P&R lob pass & dunk. Paul is going to miss having Chandler there to get those 3-4 easy gimme dunks every game. Those 6-10 surefire points every game really made those two players special together and made them appear better than they really are. It will become evident more than ever this upcoming season. Without Chandler to make Paul look great, he is going to take a step back. And without Paul to spot him many easy dunks every game, Chandler's days as a starting quality center are as good as done.

Okafor I think will be lucky to get 1 lob pass per game. Duncan would probably be lucky to even see a handful of those patented Paul lobs in a whole season.

Paul's game was perfectly matched with Chandler's, and I mean absolutely perfect. One could argue that Paul helped Chandler statistically. But on the other side of the coin, it was also Chandler that helped Paul. Now that the duo is broken up, both individuals will be < the sum of the two.

On the other side of the coin, you have Parker and Duncan, both of whom are very well suited to each other (each knows the other so well and play off of each other brilliantly), and will still be playing together unlike Paul / Chandler. In this light, I don't think Chris Paul would be better than Tony Parker in the spurs system... his style doesn't compliment Duncan at all.

So, in closing.. you are just... wrong.

Typical spurfan response. Homerish as ever.

[manufan10]

don't worry, Spurstrodamus is retarded, nobody is taking him seriously.

Exactly.


What drugs was your mom doing when she was pregnant?

:lmao


And you stick to the special olympics league.

:lol

[stretch]

:rolleyes yeah right Nash D >>>>> TP D

How did Nash enter the discussion? He wasn't even listed in the post you responded to, moron.


Paul. Williams is better than both though. Paul dominates the ball way too much for my liking.

Parker is #3, but I agree his floor-general skills are very underrated. The Spurs offense runs like a Swizz clock and he's a very big reason why.

Williams
Paul
.
Parker
.
.
Billups, Nash, Rondo

I personally think CP3 is a better player, but I can understand why someone would want Williams more. Williams seems more like a traditional PG, while CP3 seems more like a Kobe, Wade, Lebron type talent, in a PG's body. Talentwise, CP3 is absolutely amazing, but his small size doesn't allow him to take full advantage of his scoring skillset, thus he is better suited as a guy to run an offense and set others up. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of Allen Iverson (being an undersized scoring machine), only CP3 is the willing passer that Iverson never was. I think if Iverson was more willing to play like a PG through his career, he could have put up numbers much like CP3 is putting up.

Either way, I think they are hands down the two best PGs in the league, then the next tier has guys like Parker, Billups, and Nash.

[Bukefal]

parker of coursee

[hater]

Williams better than Parker??? :lol

maybe 2 years ago they were dead even. Now, parker left him in the dust

[jacobdrj]

To be honest, I am not too keen on either one, for building or as a piece. Neither one of their defenses are particularly good. However TP has proven he can play second fiddle and not dominate an offense... dominating an offense is bad when you are a PG...

[Unforgivable]

Williams better than Parker??? :lol

maybe 2 years ago they were dead even. Now, parker left him in the dust

Do you make an intentional effort to say the dumbest shit possible? How do you go from saying Parker is the 3rd best player on the Spurs to saying he's the 2nd best PG in the NBA?

[da_suns_fan]

Im embarrased for anyone who said Parker.

[Brazil]

How did Nash enter the discussion? He wasn't even listed in the post you responded to, moron.



Are you obliged to call me moron ?

Nostradamus who seems to be retarded stated that Parker had 0 Defense whatsoever. For me the lowest level of D in the league for a PG is Nash so by this logic something even the lowest is still > 0.

BTW I was not so wrong because Nostradamus who seems to be retarded consider that taking charges is a demonstration of Nash>TP on D.

Oh and Parker is decent on D when he is focus, most of the time in PO.

[Brazil]

Im embarrased for anyone who said Parker.

So it's ok because 99% of the posters are saying that Paul is the better player.

[Culburn369]

Im embarrased for anyone who said Parker.

Don't start, da. I have those pics somewhere on this hard drive and I afraid to lodge 'em.

tee, hee.

[IronMexican]

I agree with everything Spurstrodamus said.

[stretch]

Are you obliged to call me moron ?

Nostradamus who seems to be retarded stated that Parker had 0 Defense whatsoever. For me the lowest level of D in the league for a PG is Nash so by this logic something even the lowest is still > 0.


BTW I was not so wrong because Nostradamus who seems to be retarded consider that taking charges is a demonstration of Nash>TP on D.

Oh and Parker is decent on D when he is focus, most of the time in PO.

Yes, because you are a moron.

Nash wasn't a part of the discussion until you brought him up, due to your unexplainable insecurity about Tony Parker, which caused you to bring up a player that wasn't even part of the discussion, for the sole purpose of trashing him to exalt Parker.

Lame :td

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yes, because you are a moron.

Nash wasn't a part of the discussion until you brought him up, due to your unexplainable insecurity about Tony Parker, which caused you to bring up a player that wasn't even part of the discussion, for the sole purpose of trashing him to exalt Parker.

Lame :td


I'm ok with it because it led to someone posting one of the dumbest comments in ST history.

[Brazil]

Yes, because you are a moron.

Nash wasn't a part of the discussion until you brought him up, due to your unexplainable insecurity about Tony Parker, which caused you to bring up a player that wasn't even part of the discussion, for the sole purpose of trashing him to exalt Parker.

Lame :td

and you are an ass.

What unexplainable insecurity about Tony Parker ? read the posts you will see that I stated 10000 times that CP3 is the better player and I also think that DW is slightly better than him. I'm not trashing Nash, I'm a big fan of Nash it was just to illustrate a stupid Nostradamus statement. Saying that, if you have to pick the weakest on D among PGs don't tell me Nash won't come into your mind and don't tell me either that you think like Nostradamus that TP has no D at all whatsoever.

[Brazil]

Don't get me wrong I do not think TP is good at D, I just think he is decent when he is focus mainly during PO.

[stretch]

and you are an ass.

What unexplainable insecurity about Tony Parker ? read the posts you will see that I stated 10000 times that CP3 is the better player and I also think that DW is slightly better than him. I'm not trashing Nash, I'm a big fan of Nash it was just to illustrate a stupid Nostradamus statement. Saying that, if you have to pick the weakest on D among PGs don't tell me Nash won't come into your mind and don't tell me either that you think like Nostradamus that TP has no D at all whatsoever.

Great. It still has nothing to do with the fact that Nash wasn't a part of the discussion until you brought him in, to focus on his inability to play defense in order to make Parker look like a less shitty defender.

And yes, Tony Parker is a poor defender.

[Morg1411]

CP3 is a badass player. He's also a bitch.

TP is a badass player. He's not a bitch.

Based solely on talent, I'd have to go with the flopper. In spite of that, TP is my all-around favorite player. Not being a bitch has something to do with that.

[da_suns_fan]

Don't start, da. I have those pics somewhere on this hard drive and I afraid to lodge 'em.

tee, hee.

What pics?

[Brazil]

Great. It still has nothing to do with the fact that Nash wasn't a part of the discussion until you brought him in, to focus on his inability to play defense in order to make Parker look like a less shitty defender.

And yes, Tony Parker is a poor defender.

I get your point stretch. You are not going to sue me for bringing Nash into this discussion, right ?
I didn't bring Nash to make parker look like a less shitty defender but just to highlight it is stupid to write parker has no D whatsoever.

Now I wouldn't say he is a poor defender, when he wants and when it matters he can be decent.

[lefty]

Damn.


I thought it was one of those retarded threads from DAF86

[kamikazi_player]

lol wow, i'm sorry but CP3 is much better than TP as of right now. There's not much to argue about right now. I think TP is 3rd behind DW.

[Red Hawk #21]

Tony Parker all day, every day.

[spursfan09]

I think on any given night they are both capable of putting up big games. Chris Paul I think is a better passer. CP flops way too much whenever he's bumped. Unlike TP, who mans it up and takes it to hole and gets knocked down but hops back up. That says alot about thier characters. Also if you think about it, Parker's already done so much. Overall I think TP would rather have his career moreso than CP's -who's excelled individually, but not with his team. And TP takes alot of crap because he plays with TD, and thats why he's won on the big stage. So I guess with that mentality, CP needs someone like a TD because he sure as hell hasn't won a championship last time I checked.

[BRHornet45]

I think on any given night they are both capable of putting up big games. Chris Paul I think is a better passer. CP flops way too much whenever he's bumped. Unlike TP, who mans it up and takes it to hole and gets knocked down but hops back up. That says alot about thier characters. Also if you think about it, Parker's already done so much. Overall I think TP would rather have his career moreso than CP's -who's excelled individually, but not with his team. And TP takes alot of crap because he plays with TD, and thats why he's won on the big stage. So I guess with that mentality, CP needs someone like a TD because he sure as hell hasn't won a championship last time I checked.

son that is the worst homer post I have seen yet ... do you seriously believe that nonsense? lol ... I mean, REALLY?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Wow, unfuckingbelievable, Spurs fans criticizing a player for flopping. What's even funnier is someone saying Parker never flops. I remember Eva actually saying something along the lines of, "I'm tired of him falling down every time someone touches him. I can never tell if he's trying to get a call, or if he's actually hurt."

[Culburn369]

Wow, unfuckingbelievable, Spurs fans criticizing a player for flopping. What's even funnier is someone saying Parker never flops. I remember Eva actually saying something along the lines of, "I'm tired of him falling down every time someone touches him. I can never tell if he's trying to get a call, or if he's actually hurt."

She deserved an OTK spanking for that.

I'll do the administering of course.

[Cry Havoc]

don't worry, Spurstrodamus is retarded, nobody is taking him seriously.

:lol :toast

Paul.

He's the best PG in the league and is the best the league has seen for many many years, probably since J-Kidd was in his prime.

[manufan10]

I hate how posters on here refer to a select few as Spursfans. It's not all of us that say stupid things, and I hate getting lumped into that. Funny how Spursfans criticize for flopping. Spursfans are all picking TP. It's not all of us.

/rant

[JamStone]

I hate how Spursfan rant about being lumped in with other Spurs fans.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I hate how Spursfan rant about being lumped in with other Spurs fans.

:lmao

[manufan10]

I hate how Spursfan rant about being lumped in with other Spurs fans.

:lol

[Culburn369]

I hate how posters on here refer to a select few as Spursfans. It's not all of us that say stupid things, and I hate getting lumped into that. Funny how Spursfans criticize for flopping. Spursfans are all picking TP. It's not all of us.

/rant

You're known by the company you keep.

[spursfan09]

son that is the worst homer post I have seen yet ... do you seriously believe that nonsense? lol ... I mean, REALLY?

How am I being a homer? :lol

What did I say that isn't true?

CP hasn't excelled with his team? Well my bad you know what I think he has. Going to WCS in 08 was a big deal for them. I get it. Revitalizing NO was a big deal to.

[BRHornet45]

How am I being a homer? :lol

What did I say that isn't true?

CP hasn't excelled with his team? Well my bad you know what I think he has. Going to WCS in 08 was a big deal for them. I get it. Revitalizing NO was a big deal to.

LMAO son you are hilarious.

[spursfan09]

Oh was it the comment where I said I think TP would take his career over CP? Ok my bad. Scratch that. :rolleyes

Better career doesn't mean better player. ( See Robert Horry )

[BRHornet45]

sons since everyone loves to post that classic gif of Paul spinning around .... lets not forget about Parker's failed attempt at flopping in that same game as well.

PIAyX8Z03Cg

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

How am I being a homer? :lol


By saying Tony Parker never flops.

[BRHornet45]

but sons they are also BFF's too

J0Kf66sY0Dc

[spursfan09]

sons since everyone loves to post that classic gif of Paul spinning around .... lets not forget about Parker's failed attempt at flopping in that same game as well.

PIAyX8Z03Cg

Great play by CP! Very nice!

But what does this say other than, TP actually made an attempt on CP on defense, and Parker just got around a player for an easy lay up.

[BUMP]

Do you make an intentional effort to say the dumbest shit possible? How do you go from saying Parker is the 3rd best player on the Spurs to saying he's the 2nd best PG in the NBA?

+1

This same guy the other day was saying how TP was the 4th best player on the team now, because he wanted to act like they improved with Ginobli coming back and RJ entering the picture.

SpurFan's opinion of a player changes based on the thread and how it will help his case

[BRHornet45]

Great play by CP! Very nice!

But what does this say other than, TP actually made an attempt on CP on defense, and Parker just got around CP for an easy lay up.


son Parker clearly fell down trying to draw the charge. FLOP FLOP FLOP!!!

[BRHornet45]

+1

This same guy the other day was saying how TP was the 4th best player on the team now, because he wanted to act like they improved with Ginobli coming back and RJ entering the picture.

SpurFan's opinion of a player changes based on the thread and how it will help his case

son I mothafuckin CO-SIGN that!

[spursfan09]

By saying Tony Parker never flops.

Um did I say he never flops? Nope. I've seen him try to take charges that were embarrasing flops. I was thinking offensively when he takes to the basket and he is alwasy getting shoved down by bigger guys, but he just gets back up. CP just takes flopping to another level. Anways sorry to those who I offend when I say CP is a flopper. To say TP is a flopper doesn't bother me.

[James David Manning]

son I mothafuckin CO-SIGN that!


Son so does the GREAT James David Manning. God bless.

[James David Manning]

Um did I say he never flops? Nope. I've seen him try to take charges that were embarrasing flops. I was thinking offensively when he takes to the basket and he is alwasy getting shoved down by bigger guys, but he just gets back up. CP just takes flopping to another level. Anways sorry to those who I offend when I say CP is a flopper. To say TP is a flopper doesn't bother me.


I feel bad for you.....there's no way to go to confession and get forgiveness for being retarded.

[z0sa]

the amount of butthurt cp3 fans in this thread is ridiculous

[spursfan09]

son Parker clearly fell down trying to draw the charge. FLOP FLOP FLOP!!!

Yeah he did, I agree with that

Like I said him being called a flopper doesn't bother me, just not a flopper to the extreme of CP.

[spursfan09]

I feel bad for you.....there's no way to go to confession and get forgiveness for being retarded.

:rollin

Maybe you shouldn't take it so personal when people say CP is a flopper. It's not the end of the world people!

[sonic21]

Parker doesn't know how to flop. CP3 is more artistic when he flops, i give him that.

[Leetonidas]

I love TP as much as the next Spurs fan. Hell, he's probably my favorite player behind Timmy, but there is no doubt that Paul is a better PG. Parker may be faster, quicker, and better at scoring/getting to the paint, but Paul has godly court vision, he's the league leader in steals and assists, and that's with a shitty team.

Number one for sure is Paul and then it's a toss up between Parker and Williams for #2.

[BRHornet45]

Um did I say he never flops? Nope. I've seen him try to take charges that were embarrasing flops. I was thinking offensively when he takes to the basket and he is alwasy getting shoved down by bigger guys, but he just gets back up. CP just takes flopping to another level. Anways sorry to those who I offend when I say CP is a flopper. To say TP is a flopper doesn't bother me.

son CP3 flops just as much as Parker, Manu, Dirk, or any other player with that "flopper" reputation. The difference is that on this message board CP3's flopping is terribly exaggerated by his haters.

[Leetonidas]

I don't remember Parker ever having a reputation as a flopper. Manu yes, but TP? I don't think so.

[hater]

son CP3 flops just as much as Parker, Manu, Dirk, or any other player with that "flopper" reputation. The difference is that on this message board CP3's flopping is terribly exaggerated by his haters.

1. Parker doesn't flop
2. CP3 flops about 10x more than any other current NBA player
3. CP3 is currently 2nd in NBA history behind Vlade Divac in flopping category

[BRHornet45]

1. Parker doesn't flop
2. CP3 flops about 10x more than any other current NBA player
3. CP3 is currently 2nd in NBA history behind Vlade Divac in flopping category

LMAO .... I knew that within less than 60 seconds of posting that I would get a perfect example of the kind of shameless/homerish stupidity that I was talking about.

[hater]

LMAO .... I knew that within less than 60 seconds of posting that I would get a perfect example of the kind of shameless/homerish stupidity that I was talking about.

truth hurts

[Morg1411]

LMAO .... I knew that within less than 60 seconds of posting that I would get a perfect example of the kind of shameless/homerish stupidity that I was talking about.

And how is all of your CP3 dicksucking NOT homerish?

[James David Manning]

And how is all of your CP3 dicksucking NOT homerish?


Saying CP3 is better than Parker isn't being homerish, it's stating fact.

[Hornets1]

1. Parker doesn't flop
2. CP3 flops about 10x more than any other current NBA player
3. CP3 is currently 2nd in NBA history behind Vlade Divac in flopping category

Dude, people need to get off your case.

Seeing as you are obviously mentally retarded.

[cheguevara]

:lol at the butthurt hornet fans. defending CP3's flopping ways

even Spur fans didnt get this pathetic defending Manu's flopping.

[BRHornet45]

And how is all of your CP3 dicksucking NOT homerish?


son I am not a homer. I speak the truth. I have not bashed Parker in anyway other than saying he flops too which is the truth. Hell, Parker is one of my top 5 favorite players in the NBA ... but it would be stupid to argue that he is better than Paul. anyone who understands the game of basketball can see that.

for me to be a "homer" I would have to be saying stupid shit like a lot of people on here do. a good example would be if I tried convincing people that David West is a better PF than Tim Duncan and twisting Duncan's stats around like they look better than he truly is ..... now obviously that would be pure stupidity, but shit like that is VERY similar to how some people act on here about Paul. THAT is how a homer acts.

[Hornets1]

:lol at the butthurt hornet fans. defending CP3's flopping ways

even Spur fans didnt get this pathetic defending Manu's flopping.

Wow, pot calling the kettle black?

The fact that you call us butthurt fans, but at the same time have try to defend you own asses is just....Wow. How do you sleep at night?

Yea, like every other fan, Hornet's fans defend their team. The difference is thats all we do. People like you defend your team and bash the other. Take a look into this thread and try to count up which player is bashed more. It's gunna be Paul in a landslide. The fact that fans of a Franchise w/ 4 rings in the last decade have fans that are this insecure is downright pathetic.

[BRHornet45]

Wow, pot calling the kettle black?

The fact that you call us butthurt fans, but at the same time have try to defend you own asses is just....Wow. How do you sleep at night?

son he sleeps very well at night ... with Ghazi right next to him.

[manufan10]

:lol

[cheguevara]

Wow, pot calling the kettle black?

The fact that you call us butthurt fans, but at the same time have try to defend you own asses is just....Wow. How do you sleep at night?

Yea, like every other fan, Hornet's fans defend their team. The difference is thats all we do. People like you defend your team and bash the other. Take a look into this thread and try to count up which player is bashed more. It's gunna be Paul in a landslide. The fact that fans of a Franchise w/ 4 rings in the last decade have fans that are this insecure is downright pathetic.

I don't defend Manu. never had. he is a flopper. he was the biggest flopper in the league a few years ago, now he is not that bad. you Hornet fans need to accept it sooner or later.

accept CP3 is one of the biggest floppers currently. get over it and move on. :toast

[cheguevara]

son he sleeps very well at night ... with Ghazi right next to him.

please, save you homoerotic fantasies for your nsync forum

[BRHornet45]

please, save you homoerotic fantasies for your nsync forum

son I apologize. I had no idea that you and Ghazi broke up recently. Don't worry though because you seem like a cool cat and you will eventually find the right guy. keep ya head up playa!

[cheguevara]

son I apologize. I had no idea that you and Ghazi broke up recently. Don't worry though because you seem like a cool cat and you will eventually find the right guy. keep ya head up playa!

no hard feelings.

I give you the green light to date him as you seem desperate to do so. :tu

[Morg1411]

son I am not a homer. I speak the truth. I have not bashed Parker in anyway other than saying he flops too which is the truth. Hell, Parker is one of my top 5 favorite players in the NBA ... but it would be stupid to argue that he is better than Paul. anyone who understands the game of basketball can see that.

for me to be a "homer" I would have to be saying stupid shit like a lot of people on here do. a good example would be if I tried convincing people that David West is a better PF than Tim Duncan and twisting Duncan's stats around like they look better than he truly is ..... now obviously that would be pure stupidity, but shit like that is VERY similar to how some people act on here about Paul. THAT is how a homer acts.

Fair enough. I don't agree that Parker flops (at least not well), but I agree with what you're saying on your definition of a homer. Accept my apologies in that regards.





But CP3 is still a bitch. ;)

[spursfan09]

son CP3 flops just as much as Parker, Manu, Dirk, or any other player with that "flopper" reputation. The difference is that on this message board CP3's flopping is terribly exaggerated by his haters.

Why would I hate CP3? Nothing against him. He's cool, he's just a big time flopper.

[nkdlunch]

why would i hate cp3? Nothing against him. He's cool, he's just a big time flopper.

+1

[BRHornet45]

no hard feelings.

I give you the green light to date him as you seem desperate to do so. :tu

son no thanks ... its Ghazi for Christ sakes! he has pleased more men than Cinemax!

[spursfan09]

Oh and I do think Manu's a flopper, and I never thought of Dirk as a flopper. Does this make me a homer to?

[JamStone]

Parker may flop on occasion, but he's not a known frequent flopper or egregious flopper. And, Dirk is among players that flop the least. In fact, Dirk needs to flop more because he doesn't get a lot of calls with those fade-away shots when he gets hit because he rarely shows any reaction.

[BRHornet45]

And, Dirk is among players that flop the least. In fact, Dirk needs to flop more because he doesn't get a lot of calls with those fade-away shots when he gets hit because he rarely shows any reaction.

wow

[Muser]

10 threads of people arguing over Parker/Paul :lmao

[JamStone]

Since when has Dirk been considered a flopper?

Honestly.

[sonic21]

parker is not considered a flopper too. I don't get why some poster compare him with paul for his flopping.

[Dex]

Parker doesn't flop. If anything, he doesn't get enough calls for the amount of abuse he consistently takes driving in the paint.

He does try to classic arm flail whenever he loses his dribble in the post, but that never draws the call anyways.