Obama Will 'Indoctrinate" your Children!

[Spurminator]

You brought up cheerleading you nut job. It's not emotions, it is common sense. Obama has no rights to teach our kids.

:lol Yeah it's not about emotions with you.

And I was calling you a cheerleader.

[Shastafarian]

1)The President has zero rights to teach our kids. Conversation should end there. I'm pretty sure he's got a better ability to teach than your local kindergarten teacher.


2)Throw in the fact he wants to do what ever he wants and not tell people is another reason. Uh...that's not a reason for him to be barred from "teaching" our kids


3)The fact that people hate this guy is another. People are sick of this guy.Again, not a valid reason


4) He wants kids to make posters for him, tell him what he should do as president (ha, most americans don't want healthcare,cap and tax,actual stimulus money to boost the economy),he wants to know how he inspires 5 year olds.He wants to stoke the fire of thought. BAD BAD BAD. They be witches!


5) Kids should not be subjects to politics in school. Leave that for the adults.Where does it say anything about being political? Please find something in the press release where it says anything political will be taught


6) He is a elective official. Not a teacher. Same as reason 1 I guess. Now you're just padding your stats


7)He also shouldn't give teachers talking points before and after his hour long school lesson. What?


8)This whole thing stinks of mindless self indulgence and and dirty politics.How dare he discuss the value of education! BURN HIM!!!!


I am moving on. If you don't agree that is fine with me.
I'm glad because I'm fairly sure normal, non-nutjobs don't agree with you.

[George Gervin's Afro]

[QUOTE=jack sommerset;3669445]Are you really that stupid and/or that far left that you not only discount whatever else I wrote but completly ignore it. Let me copy and paste the other reasons for you that I have said several times.

I'll put a number next to the other reasons so hopefully even you can figure out this is not about hate. Perhaps that is a word that I should not use to describe how I feel about him. But I do know he is a liar and very very bad for our country. Then I will sit back and wait for more dumbass remarks from you.


1)The President has zero rights to teach our kids. Conversation should end there.

He's not teaching them anything. I went to my kids career day and spoke to his class. Should career days be banned now?


2)Throw in the fact he wants to do what ever he wants and not tell people is another reason.

He's the president. I am not sure every past president has kept us in the know 24/7 365. You make up whatever reason you want and then run with it


3)The fact that people hate this guy is another. People are sick of this guy.

I am going to assume there are about 53% of the public who dont hate him.


4) He wants kids to make posters for him, tell him what he should do as president (ha, most americans don't want healthcare,cap and tax,actual stimulus money to boost the economy),he wants to know how he inspires 5 year olds.

Should we inspire our children? Is asking kids what they want the President to do a reasonable question?


5) Kids should not be subjects to politics in school. Leave that for the adults.

Is he doing a stump speach? What politics is he going to talk about? Are you stating that NO POLITICIAN should ever speak to children in school?


6) He is a elective official. Not a teacher.

No one claims he's trying to be a teacher however you do.

7
)He also shouldn't give teachers talking points before and after his hour long school lesson.

I ask my 6 yr old everyday what he did during the day. Guess what he says? Nothing. If a sitting president were to talk to his class and he comes and tells me that he wants to be president I think that's a good thing. If he comes home to tell me that he wants to be a responsible citizien that's a good thing... right?


8)This whole thing stinks of mindless self indulgence and and dirty politics.

This is just you.


I am moving on. If you don't agree that is fine with me.

It's fine if your an ignorant idiot as well.

[Yonivore]

I'm pretty sure he's got a better ability to teach than your local kindergarten teacher.
Really? He destroyed Chicago's school system.

[ChumpDumper]

He taught in Chicago's school system?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Really? He destroyed Chicago's school system.

Oh this should be good. Show us the right wing blog that proves this.

[Shastafarian]

He taught in Chicago's school system?

beat me to it

[Yonivore]

Oh this should be good. Show us the right wing blog that proves this.
Wow! You guys really don't pay attention. I know, it was nicely suppressed during the election campaign but, I know we posted information on it here.

From 1995 to 2001, Barack Obama was the Executive Director of the Chicago Annenburg Challenge. An organization whose stated objective was to improve the Chicago School System. By their own account, they failed miserably.

It was like pulling teeth to get the records released because, well, among other things, it established Obama had a closer working relationship to Bill Ayers than he had wanted to admit but -- nonetheless -- the CAC records were released and according to their own records, Obama was a failure at the only executive position he ever held.

Well, until the current one, that is.

And, you're right, most of the information can be found on "right-wing" blogs but, they all refer to the CAC's own documents -- the release of which was fought over tooth and nail -- to support the claim.

For six years, Obama ran an organization dedicated to improving schools. Spent millions upon millions of dollars; and? Nothing, nada, zilch.

According to CAC’s own report: “There were no statistically significant differences in student achievement between Annenberg schools and demographically similar non-Annenberg schools. This indicates that there was no Annenberg effect on achievement.” It also indicates that Annenberg failed, not because it’s altogether impossible to improve urban schools, but because CAC’s heavily politicized community-organizer partners weren’t any good at doing so.

Nevermind it tied Obama more closely to Ayers. Nevermind that much of the $100 million dollars dedicated to the CAC went toward radical socialist programs having little to do with education. The fact remains, Obama headed an organization formed to improve Chicago schools, it spent millions of dollars, and it failed miserably. After 6 years, schools were worse.

Don't argue with me or the blogs. Argue with the CAC.

[TFloss32]

The most entertaining part of this thread is George Gervin's Afro, the person with the walking/smiling marijuana leaf in his avatar, being the most vocal one in this thread about our country's priorities when it comes to kids and what they should be exposed to. How many times have your kids seen that when you post on SpursTalk? Still smoke a J every now and then when the wifey's not around? Think about that before you talk out of your ass and make fun of people about the way they decide to parent their kids (Democrat or Republican).

Anyway, both sides have very valid arguments but this debate is senseless. Obama will speak and everyone will forget it ever happened. Does anyone think that kids are actually going to pay attention long enough to recall any information from this speech? Plus, Obama is under so much scrutiny at this point in time I highly doubt he'll use this opportunity as a political platform to further advance his agenda.

[ChumpDumper]

“There were no statistically significant differences in student achievement between Annenberg schools and demographically similar non-Annenberg schools. This indicates that there was no Annenberg effect on achievement.”

So they weren't destroyed.

[clambake]

yoni, your info is not even close to accurate. and its so easy to verify.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wow! You guys really don't pay attention. I know, it was nicely suppressed during the election campaign but, I know we posted information on it here.

From 1995 to 2001, Barack Obama was the Executive Director of the Chicago Annenburg Challenge. An organization whose stated objective was to improve the Chicago School System. By their own account, they failed miserably.

It was like pulling teeth to get the records released because, well, among other things, it established Obama had a closer working relationship to Bill Ayers than he had wanted to admit but -- nonetheless -- the CAC records were released and according to their own records, Obama was a failure at the only executive position he ever held.

Well, until the current one, that is.

And, you're right, most of the information can be found on "right-wing" blogs but, they all refer to the CAC's own documents -- the release of which was fought over tooth and nail -- to support the claim.

For six years, Obama ran an organization dedicated to improving schools. Spent millions upon millions of dollars; and? Nothing, nada, zilch.

According to CAC’s own report: “There were no statistically significant differences in student achievement between Annenberg schools and demographically similar non-Annenberg schools. This indicates that there was no Annenberg effect on achievement.” It also indicates that Annenberg failed, not because it’s altogether impossible to improve urban schools, but because CAC’s heavily politicized community-organizer partners weren’t any good at doing so.

Nevermind it tied Obama more closely to Ayers. Nevermind that much of the $100 million dollars dedicated to the CAC went toward radical socialist programs having little to do with education. The fact remains, Obama headed an organization formed to improve Chicago schools, it spent millions of dollars, and it failed miserably. After 6 years, schools were worse.

Don't argue with me or the blogs. Argue with the CAC.

so where does it say he detroyed the education system? What empirical data says they were worse 6 yrs later? You do have that proof right? Or are we supposed to take the word of a right wing fanatic?

[TeyshaBlue]

So they weren't destroyed.

Kinda what I was thinking.

[SpurNation]

LMAO! Why do people who've never experienced a war and death always spout this bullshit? I doubt you've ever fired to kill before Mr. internet revolutionary. Let me ask something, have you ever been shot at with intent to kill? Have you ever seen a pool of blood from a wound? Are you willing to risk your kids lives? You honestly think non right wing people don't have weapons or have technical savey enough to create and operate nuclear weapons?

Don't answer that, I'm pretty sure nobody cares.

Yes

[Yonivore]

Of course, you're all right. Obama was executive director of the Chicago Annenburg Challenge when it spent $100 million dollars to improve Chicago schools and did not accomplish that.

Did it destroy Chicago's schools? I don't know...but, it certainly didn't help. And, one could argue that possibly whatever they were doing for those six years stood in the way of others trying to make improvements.

But, you're right. Nothing shows he destroyed Chicago's schools. Just that he spent $100 million doing nothing to help.

No different than today...only on a much larger scale.

You all must be very proud of our president.

[Yonivore]

yoni, your info is not even close to accurate. and its so easy to verify.
What's not accurate?

[ChumpDumper]

He destroyed Chicago's school system.
Nothing shows he destroyed Chicago's schools.

[DarkReign]

Yes

Well then, youre clueless. Incurably.

[jack sommerset]

Also a liar. You see these same type of lying assholes at townhall, shout that they don't want government health care and then end up in the hospital the next day using their medicare for a heart attack.

The answer is not to give everyone free healthcare. We can't afford it.

[clambake]

The answer is not to give everyone free healthcare. We can't afford it.

you're not very bright.

[boutons_deux]

"give everyone free healthcare"

parroting Repug lies makes you stupid(er)

[SnakeBoy]

You honestly think non right wing people don't have weapons or have technical savey enough to create and operate nuclear weapons?


Ruh Roh, we're all gonna get blowed up by the resident spurstalk genious.

[jack sommerset]

The answer is not free healthcare for everyone. You really need to get that out of your head. Most people want healthcare reform. Start with that. Don't give up and take away jobs from people,competition among businesses,making every tax payer pay for this. Government take over it not the answer.

[jack sommerset]

Oh I forgot. You are fucking stupid.

[Man Sauce]

I think what it boils down to is people still can't get over the fact that Obama won the election. All the people that you hear crying at the town hall meetings and the ones being offended by his speech to school children on tuesday is just another example on how misinformed people are. I think if people were to stop listening to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and think for themsleves they could act in a mature manner. The man is just going to address the importance of education I doubt if he would turn this into some kind of political opportunity for his own agenda. I mean president Obama and his wife are pretty well educated I think kids hearing from a well educated president will stress the importance of staying in school. I mean look at our former president what a joke.

[Nbadan]

Seriously, it's the black man is gonna come and take your white women played out on a national scale by the right...they aren't for any reform on health-care, never were, that's why they have no alternative plan....they are about stalling, misinformation, disinformation and the hope that they can manipulate (indoctrinate) enough voters in 2010 all the while the country bleeds to death from their doing...

[ChumpDumper]

He's just recruiting your children to be on his death panels. One would think parents would want their kids to decide who lives and who dies.

[SpurNation]

Well then, youre clueless. Incurably.

No. You are. If you would have read my entire posts regarding this you would see I re-thought my initial passioned response regarding why I thought this to begin with. I had since found out it was not a nationwide mandated rule that all districts were forced to have the children watch this and that is what I was concerned about to begin with. Obviously many school districts still have the ability to choose what they deem as necessary...That's a good thing.


Also a liar. You see these same type of lying assholes at townhall, shout that they don't want government health care and then end up in the hospital the next day using their medicare for a heart attack.

What did I lie about? You are a joke. At least most other people that disagree in this political forum repreave thoughtful insight and useful information. I debate my opinions. You condem anything that doesn't agree with your narrow thoughts.

You asked me this...

LMAO! Why do people who've never experienced a war and death always spout this bullshit? I doubt you've ever fired to kill before Mr. internet revolutionary. Let me ask something, have you ever been shot at with intent to kill? Have you ever seen a pool of blood from a wound? Are you willing to risk your kids lives? You honestly think non right wing people don't have weapons or have technical savey enough to create and operate nuclear weapons?


What do you know about me personally that makes you think I never had?

And other than risking my own kids lives...YES.

You sit behind a computer and spout personal theories about a person posting instead of civilly debating. I try not to attack anyone individually but do defend my position until unless proven otherwise. I don't think you will find in any of my posts a personal attack towards a person differing with me unless they attack me first.

Let me ask you this...
Have you EVER had a member of your family killed in the line of duty? Has anyone in your family EVER received the Congressional Medal of Honor? Has anyone in your family EVER had a US Navy ship named after them?

I don't ever bring those things up in my debates...but since you seem it is so important to ask and then cowar away at the end from the answer...SCREW YOU PUSSY.

[Nbadan]

Spurstalk owns this topic!

http://www.google.com/search?q=+Obama+Will+%27Indoctrinate%22+your+Child ren%21&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

[George Gervin's Afro]

While the GOP-controlled Dept. of Education in Texas pushes bible study and Rush Limbaugh into history books...

Republican Party of Florida says Obama will "indoctrinate" school children with
"socialist ideology"




http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/02/republican-party-florida/republican-party-florida-says-obama-will-indoctrin/

:lmao

I still can't believe you dead enders were gullible enough to believe talk radio and fox news..:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

Well, if president Obama sticks to the teleprompter, and if they don't change the speech, I see no problem with it:


Prepared Remarks of President Barack Obama
Back to School Event

Arlington, Virginia
September 8, 2009 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/)

[ChumpDumper]

You mean if he doesn't go off script and tries to indoctrinate the kids like Reagan did?

[Wild Cobra]

You mean if he doesn't go off script and tries to indoctrinate the kids like Reagan did?
Have the Reagan speech handy, or are you talking out your ass again?

[ChumpDumper]

Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.


I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.

Ronald Reagan to middle school students
November 14, 1988

[George Gervin's Afro]

Have the Reagan speech handy, or are you talking out your ass again?


Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.


I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.

Ronald Reagan to middle school students
November 14, 1988

:(

[Yonivore]

I'm with the Powerline guys on this one...


The White House has released the prepared text of President Obama's "back to school" speech. The speech exhorts students to study hard and aim to achieve big things. It is devoid of any controversial content. As such, it is unobjectionable.

One might have hoped for less discussion of Obama himself, particularly the things he's tried to accomplish in the area of education. But that hope would have been unrealistic with this president.

The speech does, of course, offer a potential springboard for teachers or administrators who wish to promote Obama and/or his agenda. This concern became particularly acute after the Department of Education produced its infamous "how can you help Obama" package. But with that particular package now inoperative, there is no good reason for Obama not to give his speech. Perhaps it will inspire a few students to perform better or accomplish more than they otherwise would have.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm with the Powerline guys on this one...

Finally a blog that you agree with. that was a CLOSE one.

[Yonivore]

Finally a blog that you agree with. that was a CLOSE one.
:lmao

[spursncowboys]

I hope he doesn't go into the part of his education where he sought out to surround himself with marxist professors, feminists, and extremist blacks, so not to be a sell-out. Or how he "did blow"

[Shastafarian]

You don't know what Marxism is do you?

[spursncowboys]

You don't know what Marxism is do you?
The great and mighty elitist looking down on the commoners admiring them. How naive and sad we are. Good thing he is here to think for us. We just don't get it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The great and mighty elitist looking down on the commoners admiring them. How naive and sad we are. Good thing he is here to think for us. We just don't get it.

Seriously, do you know waht the difference is between socialism and marxism? I will give the benefit of the doubt but shouldn't we all agree if we are going to label people then we should be able to define the labels?

[spursncowboys]

Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange. Instead of people being rich, middle class and poor, under marxism everyone is poor.
All the worst dictators in the past hundred years have used a form of Marxism. Most liberals secretly like Marxism. Normally all religious leaders and land owners are the first to go. Marxism is more deadly than all the world's 20th century wars combined.

marxism is Friedrich Engals and Karl Marx's brand of socialism. I did not call anyone a marxist. THat is a quote from BHO's book. He said it.

[Shastafarian]

Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange. Instead of people being rich, middle class and poor, under marxism everyone is poor.
All the worst dictators in the past hundred years have used a form of Marxism. Most liberals secretly like Marxism. Normally all religious leaders and land owners are the first to go. Marxism is more deadly than all the world's 20th century wars combined.


Next time you copy and paste, you might wanna change the font size and color to the forum norms.

[Mr. Peabody]

I'm with the Powerline guys on this one...

Ha. Did you read Reagan's speech?


I think we have restored the belief in America's freedom and the obligation that we have to our country. I think there's more patriotism today. We've been in a time when people have gotten rather cynical about those things.

What do the Powerline guys think of his speech?

[spursncowboys]

For the sake of time I am not citing anything, but I am not hiding the fact that I use factual data. I know that sounds weird to libs but it works out better.

[Shastafarian]

For the sake of time I am not citing anything, but I am not hiding the fact that I use factual data. I know that sounds weird to libs but it works out better.

It's ok. We figured you would need to copy and paste.

[Mr. Peabody]

Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange. Instead of people being rich, middle class and poor, under marxism everyone is poor.
All the worst dictators in the past hundred years have used a form of Marxism. Most liberals secretly like Marxism. Normally all religious leaders and land owners are the first to go. Marxism is more deadly than all the world's 20th century wars combined.

marxism is Friedrich Engals and Karl Marx's brand of socialism. I did not call anyone a marxist. THat is a quote from BHO's book. He said it.


I don't think that's entirely accurate. In true Marxism, the people are part of the government and they all own everything collectively. That would seem to be inconsistent with a dictatorship.

[spursncowboys]

I don't think that's entirely accurate. In true Marxism, the people are part of the government and they all own everything collectively. That would seem to be inconsistent with a dictatorship.
It is always the inner party who "dictates" what is best for the people. Look at Saddam, Mao, Lenin and Stalin.

[Shastafarian]

Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange. Instead of people being rich, middle class and poor, under marxism everyone is poor.
All the worst dictators in the past hundred years have used a form of Marxism. Most liberals secretly like Marxism. Normally all religious leaders and land owners are the first to go. Marxism is more deadly than all the world's 20th century wars combined.

marxism is Friedrich Engals and Karl Marx's brand of socialism. I did not call anyone a marxist. THat is a quote from BHO's book. He said it.


lol I didn't even read this until Mr. Peabody quoted it. That's some funny shit right there.

[spursncowboys]

It's ok. We figured you would need to copy and paste.
Yeah I like stating facts. Not like your ridiculous nonsense that even Jon Stewart would call as bullshit.

[Mr. Peabody]

It is always the inner party who "dictates" what is best for the people. Look at Saddam, Mao, Lenin and Stalin.

I don't think Saddam, Mao, Lenin, or Stalin are representative of true Marxism. Ultimately, the "inner party" becomes just another higher class oppressing a lower class, right? That would seem to conflict with the Marxist view of a classless society.

[Shastafarian]

Yeah I like stating facts. Not like your ridiculous nonsense that even Jon Stewart would call as bullshit.

Because when you don't know something, might as well copy and paste so it looks like you do.

[SpurNation]

I don't think Saddam, Mao, Lenin, or Stalin are representative of true Marxism. Ultimately, the "inner party" becomes just another higher class oppressing a lower class, right? That would seem to conflict with the Marxist view of a classless society.

The view portrayed by all these people were of the views of a "classless" society. But reality dictates that somebody has to be in charge to delegate. That is the rise and fall of Marxism in a nut shell. Somebody has to lead. And in such a self depriving gorvernment as Marxism and it's offshutes in Communism and Socialism...more suffer than benefit from it's "Utopian" philosophy.

[Banzai]

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/worship2_dees.jpg
http://rense.com/1.imagesH/wash3_dees.jpg

[Mr. Peabody]

The view portrayed by all these people were of the views of a "classless" society. But reality dictates that somebody has to be in charge to delegate. That is the rise and fall of Marxism in a nut shell. Somebody has to lead. And in such a self depriving gorvernment as Marxism and it's offshutes in Communism and Socialism...more suffer than benefit from it's "Utopian" philosophy.

But the "reality" is not true Marxism. Whether or not true Marxism can be put into practice is a separate issue. Lenin and Mao, believed, like you alluded to, that there needed to be a party to put the "Marxist" practices into place. Once that happens, we get naturally self-interested men assuming responsibility for their society's resources. Then, what we are left with is a perverted form of a theory; hence, Leninism, Stalinism, and Maoism.

[Wild Cobra]

Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.


I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.

Ronald Reagan to middle school students
November 14, 1988
Wow. What is that? A two minute speech rather than 18 minutes?

It is an honest appraisal of the world in the 80's. I don't see it as indoctrination, plus, it was to middle school students. Not all.

You get pussy points for not supplying a link.

It was also at a point he had little more tome in office. In his last year rather than his first year.l

Very little to compare if you ask me.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow. What is that? A two minute speech rather than 18 minutes?It was part of a speech, you dumbass.


It is an honest appraisal of the world in the 80's. I don't see it as indoctrination, plus, it was to middle school students. Not all.It was an honest attempt at indoctrination of middle school students that was broadcast widely to students..


You get pussy points for not supplying a link.Any idiot could find it. You're an idiot.


It was also at a point he had little more tome in office. In his last year rather than his first year.So attempts at indoctrination schoolchildren are all about timing.


Very little to compare if you ask me.It's worse than anything you thought Obama would do. You're a fucking fraud, flaglot.

[Wild Cobra]

It was part of a speech, you dumbass.

Fuck you for being too lazy to link or say it was an except. You are worthless, and now on ignore.

[ChumpDumper]

Fuck you for being too lazy to link or say it was an except. You are worthless, and now on ignore.I said earlier that he went off script, flaglot. That's where he went off script.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, this thread pretty much proves this country loves to be moronic and will find any fucking way possible to justify their stupidity.

[Mr. Peabody]

On the local news just now, the scroll read "Obama prepares speech exhorting students to remain in school; Local parents object"

Ha. You gotta love this state.

[MannyIsGod]

It really is amazing the depth of stupidity this sinks to. Its one thing to subscribe to different political ideologies but this is fucking retarded.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm a fan of everyone who flamed Obama, immediately thinking he'd be telling children to support his plans for world domination, er, I mean, universal health care. Their main reason was because it was not the President's place to indoctrinate children.

Then when it's discovered Reagan did the same, the script flips to "Well, he said everything an American loving American SHOULD say!" Hehe. Awesome, if predictable.

[rjv]

I'm a fan of everyone who flamed Obama, immediately thinking he'd be telling children to support his plans for world domination, er, I mean, universal health care. Their main reason was because it was not the President's place to indoctrinate children.

Then when it's discovered Reagan did the same, the script flips to "Well, he said everything an American loving American SHOULD say!" Hehe. Awesome, if predictable.

if people really knew how similar obama and reagan's economic policies are when compared they would have to change their "socialist" script as well.

[boutons_deux]

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/103104/original.jpg

[jman3000]

I liked the one in the EN with Obama sitting in a car next to a group of children with Pravda in one hand and candy in the other.

[jman3000]

Seeing the wording on that memo it was easy to see how a lot of these anti obama zombies would get their panties in a wad over this. When taken out of context the wording would scare me a bit too. "What did the president ask of me?" is a pretty creepy statement out of context. Does he want you to be a fascist, liberal, communist, nazi, socialist, kenyan? Or when taken in the context of the speech does he want you to take responsibility for your education, strive to be productive, and ask of yourself more than what others will?

[Nbadan]

Seeing the wording on that memo it was easy to see how a lot of these anti obama zombies would get their panties in a wad over this. When taken out of context the wording would scare me a bit too. "What did the president ask of me?" is a pretty creepy statement out of context. Does he want you to be a fascist, liberal, communist, nazi, socialist, kenyan? Or when taken in the context of the speech does he want you to take responsibility for your education, strive to be productive, and ask of yourself more than what others will?

...yep, these guys are thinking like wing-nut idiots when they should be thinking like for whom the study material/read along was geared toward - kids....kids are watching the video, the President is addressing them, so why not ask them what they can do to help the President? its all about context but when has that ever mattered to wing-nuts?

[Banzai]

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/deesbrain.jpg

[PixelPusher]

Clearly, she's been zombiefied.

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[jack sommerset]

Clearly, she's been zombiefied.

jTBnApR7gI0

Exploiting children. Nice. That is exactly why people don't want their kids to see this man speak. This parent just used their lil girl for politics. "My friend says he is a republican and can't see Obama" Classless!

[ChumpDumper]

Exploiting children. Nice. That is exactly why people don't want their kids to see this man speak. This parent just used their lil girl for politics. "My friend says he is a republican and can't see Obama" Classless!How do you know she was made to say that?

[PixelPusher]

"My friend says he is a republican and can't see Obama" Classless!

Yeah, I'm sure she made that up.

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[jack sommerset]

Yeah, I'm sure she made that up.

iDqtqP4C7oM

Why is a child on youtube talking about politics, republicans, the speech. Like I said leave my kid out of it. You disagree that is your business.

[ChumpDumper]

Why is a child on youtube talking about politics, republicans, the speech. Like I said leave my kid out of it. You disagree that is your business.
Was that your kid?

[nuclearfm]

It really is amazing the depth of stupidity this sinks to. Its one thing to subscribe to different political ideologies but this is fucking retarded.

That's the only thing keeping the parties separate, their superficial differences. They are essentially the same assholes controlled by the wealthy trying to come up new ways to argue.

[nuclearfm]

I liked the one in the EN with Obama sitting in a car next to a group of children with Pravda in one hand and candy in the other.

Please find if you can.

[PixelPusher]

Why is a child on youtube talking about politics, republicans, the speech.

QTs_JMCGiIU


Classless!

[jack sommerset]

QTs_JMCGiIU

Do you really think I am would defend a conservative for doing the samething if that is what you are trying to tell me....I wouldn't.

[Cry Havoc]

Why is a child on youtube talking about politics, republicans, the speech. Like I said leave my kid out of it. You disagree that is your business.

Uh... here's a thought....

Because she wants to?

I know that's staggering to you that a child would take such initiative as to actually use a computer of her own accord, and based on your post, you seem to think it's pointless of her to do so.

That says a lot more about you than it does about her, however.

[Ignignokt]

Cry havoc is appalled!!

[Cry Havoc]

well, this thread pretty much proves this country loves to be moronic and will find any fucking way possible to justify their stupidity.

+1


Cry havoc is appalled!!

There are lots of intelligent people on Spurstalk (in this forum) that are appalled by this thread.

[SnakeBoy]

When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
By: Byron York

The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.
Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.
With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."
Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."
That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."
Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams

Wonder how much Obama's speech cost.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, it was stupid then and it's stupid now if all the message is to stay in school and work hard.

[jack sommerset]

Yeah, it was stupid then and it's stupid now if all the message is to stay in school and work hard.

President Narcissus' speech: 56 “I”; 19 “school”; 10 “education”; 8 “responsibility”; 5 “parents”, 5 “teachers.”

[clambake]

President Narcissus' speech: 56 “I”; 19 “school”; 10 “education”; 8 “responsibility”; 5 “parents”, 5 “teachers.”

was she impressed with the speech?

[George Gervin's Afro]

President Narcissus' speech: 56 “I”; 19 “school”; 10 “education”; 8 “responsibility”; 5 “parents”, 5 “teachers.”

so what?

[ChumpDumper]

President Narcissus' speech: 56 “I”; 19 “school”; 10 “education”; 8 “responsibility”; 5 “parents”, 5 “teachers.”:lmao

Did you count them yourself, or did you have a blog tell you how to think?

[LnGrrrR]

President Narcissus' speech: 56 “I”; 19 “school”; 10 “education”; 8 “responsibility”; 5 “parents”, 5 “teachers.”

It's very hard to write a persuasive speech without alot of "I"s in them.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

President Narcissus' speech: 56 “I”; 19 “school”; 10 “education”; 8 “responsibility”; 5 “parents”, 5 “teachers.”

Tally the "I"s in any speech. You might surprise yourself.

[Nbadan]

hmmm