Obama Will 'Indoctrinate" your Children!

[Nbadan]

While the GOP-controlled Dept. of Education in Texas pushes bible study and Rush Limbaugh into history books...

Republican Party of Florida says Obama will "indoctrinate" school children with
"socialist ideology"



President Barack Obama plans to speak to the nation's schoolchildren on Sept. 8. According to the U.S. Department of Education, the speech will be about "the importance of persisting and succeeding in school," and the department is offering classroom materials to "engage students and stimulate discussion on the importance of education in their lives."

You might think that would be a harmless topic, and that people across the political spectrum could agree on the importance of education.

Not so for the Republican Party of Florida, though, which released a statement "condemning President Obama's use of taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate America’s children to his socialist agenda."

"As the father of four children, I am absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology," said Jim Greer, party chairman, in a news release.

"The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power," he added.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/02/republican-party-florida/republican-party-florida-says-obama-will-indoctrin/

[doobs]

Apparently the children will be asked to think of ways they can be of service to Obama. That's kind of creepy, don't you think?

[George Gervin's Afro]

the guy in the article is an a$$hole.. or should we call him a republican?

[SpurNation]

I don't know of any time my children were forced to watch any message a president was commuting. It has always been up to a parent to allow/force to watch/hear any political message.

It's time for a revolution. It's time for people to choose sides...fight (physically) for those beliefs.

My child will be absent from school that day.

[angrydude]

If this were a coalition of actual parents I might care.

[clambake]

I don't know of any time my children were forced to watch any message a president was commuting. It has always been up to a parent to allow/force to watch/hear any political message.

It's time for a revolution. It's time for people to choose sides...fight (physically) for those beliefs.

My child will be absent from school that day.

maybe your child can help you with your drama queen dress.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think parents indoctrinating their kids is sooooo much better...

[SpurNation]

maybe your child can help you with your drama queen dress.

:lol Designed by you!

[clambake]

:lol Designed by you!

i did design it.

i know what looks good on you. :lol

[SpurNation]

i did design it.

i know what looks good on you. :lol

Oh clammy...you know you love me for my mind. :lol

[Nbadan]

file this under......"The President is a ni...BONGGGGG"

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5469/gmmbs4.jpg

[rjv]

perhaps someone should indoctrinate the mr.greer on being able to actually recognize what socialism is.

[Nbadan]

oh, no.eesss........


"President George H.W. Bush addressed the nation's students in a televised speech during school hours in 1991. ''I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid,'' Bush said, according to news reports from the time. He told students to ''block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart'' and ''work harder, learn more.''

Politifact (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/02/republican-party-florida/republican-party-florida-says-obama-will-indoctrin/)

[Bartleby]

I don't know of any time my children were forced to watch any message a president was commuting.

Oh, the horror!

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii297/babbalanja/clockwork.jpg

[florige]

Seriously guys, were we this bad when Bush was in office? I mean c'mon, they seem to be getting more asinine each day.

[Jacob1983]

Obama is just enjoying of the perks and advantages that comes with being the president. He gets to go talk to kids and tell them how cool and hip he is. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure if you were president, you would do the same. Obama wants to show his awesomeness and greatness to kids at school. I wonder if Obama will wear his mom jeans and a Jonas Brothers t shirt to the meet and greet?

[SnakeBoy]

oh, no.eesss........



"President George H.W. Bush addressed the nation's students in a televised speech during school hours in 1991. ''I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid,'' Bush said, according to news reports from the time. He told students to ''block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart'' and ''work harder, learn more.''

Politifact (http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/02/republican-party-florida/republican-party-florida-says-obama-will-indoctrin/)

The nerve of President Bush to do that in 1991. I bet slick Willy was pissed.

[SnakeBoy]

Seriously guys, were we this bad when Bush was in office? I mean c'mon, they seem to be getting more asinine each day.

Ummm, yes...Bush WAS Hitler remember. It's pretty amusing to see democrats losing their cool because republicans are using the same tactics they perfected against them. You would think they wouldn't be so unprepared on how to respond.

[Jacob1983]

Bush wasn't Hitler. He was worse than Hitler. Get your facts right. Keeping America safe from terrorist attacks after 9/11 for 7 years is way worse than killing 6 million jews during The Holocaust.:lol

[Mister Sinister]

Bush wasn't Hitler. He was worse than Hitler. Get your facts right. Keeping America safe from terrorist attacks after 9/11 for 7 years is way worse than killing 6 million jews during The Holocaust.:lol
Godwin'ing something doesn't mean you achieve God-level Win.

[antimvp]

I don't know of any time my children were forced to watch any message a president was commuting. It has always been up to a parent to allow/force to watch/hear any political message.

It's time for a revolution. It's time for people to choose sides...fight (physically) for those beliefs.

My child will be absent from school that day.


He is the President of the WHOLE United States of America.....give the guy some credit, and a little fucking respect......damn.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know of any time my children were forced to watch any message a president was commuting. It has always been up to a parent to allow/force to watch/hear any political message.

It's time for a revolution. It's time for people to choose sides...fight (physically) for those beliefs.

My child will be absent from school that day.That is fighting (physically)?


:lmao

[boutons_deux]

"Keeping America safe from terrorist attacks after 9/11..."

typical. Start counting dubya and dickhead's "safe" success AFTER they allowed the worst attack ever on USA soil, (AND blamed it Slick Willie).

[jman3000]

File this one under Obama Derangment Syndrome.

I feel bad for SpurNation's child, considering his/her parent is a complete moron. I've been hearing on the radio that a lot of parents are going to keep their children home that day :lol.

One guy on Prager said something along the lines of "I don't want the government brainwashing my kid. I'm gonna keep him at home that day and let him watch Fox News all day".

I honest to God laughed out loud.

[DarrinS]

Obama beaming his face out to the schools is a little bit "dear leader"-ish, but there are worse things about his presidency that his over-inflated ego.

[jman3000]

Obama beaming his face out to the schools is a little bit "dear leader"-ish, but there are worse things about his presidency that his over-inflated ego.

"dear leader"-ish? It's nothing more than a hyped up PSA and you're saying it's "dear leader"-ish?

Yeah... you haven't drank the anti-Obama kool aid at all.

Is there a single conservative on this board that isn't a damn robot?

[coyotes_geek]

As long as this is just a talk stressing the importance of education then I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like Obama would be the first president to tell kids that school is important.

[hope4dopes]

I think parents indoctrinating their kids is sooooo much better...

Once you reach sexual maturity and are able to procreate we can have this discussion again.

[hope4dopes]

He is the President of the WHOLE United States of America.....give the guy some credit, and a little fucking respect......damn. slave mentality

[hope4dopes]

Obama beaming his face out to the schools is a little bit "dear leader"-ish, but there are worse things about his presidency that his over-inflated ego.

From your mouth to God's ear.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Once you reach sexual maturity and are able to procreate we can have this discussion again.

You're right. I think it's healthy that kids grow up listening to Sean Hannity and Rush Limabugh to get their news. The knowledge that liberals hate america and want to kill old people is a positive message and should allow the kids to grow up and form their own opinion on liberalism and democrats. I think it's smart to stunt your child's growth by telling them how to think. Very, very healthy if you ask me..!

[TeyshaBlue]

This is fucking ridiculous. The sitting President of the United States wants to address the nation's children on the importance of getting a good education and parental-units see this as a threat? The little memo that the DOE prepared are not required activities....simply suggested talking points to help engage the young minds of the intended audience. Keeping your kids out of school so they don't have to be "subjected" to crazy hypno-lord Obama?
How about this. Consider the point that by telling your kids that they can stay home from school is basically telling them, "Hey, if you don't agree with what an authority figure has to say, you don't have to listen."

I'm about as conservative as they come...but this is sheer lunacy....the living embodiment of zero-tolerance...the epitome of the old saw "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Some of these "parents" need some new tools.
My son will be watching the address. He'll think about what is said, and if his teachers are worth 1/3 of the salaries they draw, they'll use what they think is appropriate from the DOE suggestions and shit-can the rest.

[SpurNation]

So... what in Obama's past speaches doesn't lend one to believe he won't address other agendas listed on his plate?

That's what I disapprove of him doing if he does such a thing. I DON'T have a problem if he only discusses "education" and it's importance. But all too often Obama uses a platform in order to "indoctrinate" his views on other issues as well. Knowing full well he'll have the attention of a nationwide public forum.

I only go by his past to question his intentions. If I choose to not trust that his speach will only be about education...then I find it in my right as a parent to not have my child present to being FORCED to here anything different.

In today's media world and technology...if after viewing his speach find it only to be what he claims will be discussed...then my child will be allowed to see the speach.

But if there is one hint of trying to use the platform of that speach to propose "indoctrination" to anything other than the benefits of education...It is MY RIGHT as a parent to allow or not allow my child to subject content.

Argue all you want. Condem all you want. It's still my right. And this isn't a democrat or republican issue...it's my issue as a free American. Something many of you only understand if it falls within the confines of the hypocrosy associated with following your party's agenda with blinders on.

[George Gervin's Afro]

So... what in Obama's past speaches doesn't lend one to believe he won't address other agendas listed on his plate?

That's what I disapprove of him doing if he does such a thing. I DON'T have a problem if he only discusses "education" and it's importance. But all too often Obama uses a platform in order to "indoctrinate" his views on other issues as well. Knowing full well he'll have the attention of a nationwide public forum.

I only go by his past to question his intentions. If I choose to not trust that his speach will only be about education...then I find it in my right as a parent to not have my child present to being FORCED to here anything different.

In today's media world and technology...if after viewing his speach find it only to be what he claims will be discussed...then my child will be allowed to see the speach.

But if there is one hint of trying to use the platform of that speach to propose "indoctrination" to anything other than the benefits of education...It is MY RIGHT as a parent to allow or not allow my child to subject content.

Argue all you want. Condem all you want. It's still my right. And this isn't a democrat or republican issue...it's my issue as a free American. Something many of you only understand if it falls within the confines of the hypocrosy associated with following your party's agenda with blinders on.

Son if you don't agree you should skip school.. great example!

[Bartleby]

So... what in Obama's past speaches doesn't lend one to believe he won't address other agendas listed on his plate?

That's what I disapprove of him doing if he does such a thing. I DON'T have a problem if he only discusses "education" and it's importance. But all too often Obama uses a platform in order to "indoctrinate" his views on other issues as well. Knowing full well he'll have the attention of a nationwide public forum.

I only go by his past to question his intentions. If I choose to not trust that his speach will only be about education...then I find it in my right as a parent to not have my child present to being FORCED to here anything different.

In today's media world and technology...if after viewing his speach find it only to be what he claims will be discussed...then my child will be allowed to see the speach.

But if there is one hint of trying to use the platform of that speach to propose "indoctrination" to anything other than the benefits of education...It is MY RIGHT as a parent to allow or not allow my child to subject content.

Argue all you want. Condem all you want. It's still my right. And this isn't a democrat or republican issue...it's my issue as a free American. Something many of you only understand if it falls within the confines of the hypocrosy associated with following your party's agenda with blinders on.

It appears somebody missed a lot of English classes.

[coyotes_geek]

So... what in Obama's past speaches doesn't lend one to believe he won't address other agendas listed on his plate?

That's what I disapprove of him doing if he does such a thing. I DON'T have a problem if he only discusses "education" and it's importance. But all too often Obama uses a platform in order to "indoctrinate" his views on other issues as well. Knowing full well he'll have the attention of a nationwide public forum.

I only go by his past to question his intentions. If I choose to not trust that his speach will only be about education...then I find it in my right as a parent to not have my child present to being FORCED to here anything different.

In today's media world and technology...if after viewing his speach find it only to be what he claims will be discussed...then my child will be allowed to see the speach.

But if there is one hint of trying to use the platform of that speach to propose "indoctrination" to anything other than the benefits of education...It is MY RIGHT as a parent to allow or not allow my child to subject content.

Argue all you want. Condem all you want. It's still my right. And this isn't a democrat or republican issue...it's my issue as a free American. Something many of you only understand if it falls within the confines of the hypocrosy associated with following your party's agenda with blinders on.

No arguement here about it being your right to decide what's best for your child, but me thinks you're still overreacting here. It's a speech about education. He's not going to tell your kid that he/she needs to go home and tell mommy and daddy that they need to support healthcare reform.

[dickface]

Most kids are gonna be too busy sleeping, passing notes, or skipping class to pay attention to Fuhrer Obama's Final Solution.

Seriously, what kid isn't gonna be bored out of his mind about 3 minutes in?

[DarrinS]

"dear leader"-ish? It's nothing more than a hyped up PSA and you're saying it's "dear leader"-ish?

Yeah... you haven't drank the anti-Obama kool aid at all.

Is there a single conservative on this board that isn't a damn robot?



Drama queen :dramaquee

[TeyshaBlue]

So... what in Obama's past speaches doesn't lend one to believe he won't address other agendas listed on his plate?

That's what I disapprove of him doing if he does such a thing. I DON'T have a problem if he only discusses "education" and it's importance. But all too often Obama uses a platform in order to "indoctrinate" his views on other issues as well. Knowing full well he'll have the attention of a nationwide public forum.

I only go by his past to question his intentions. If I choose to not trust that his speach will only be about education...then I find it in my right as a parent to not have my child present to being FORCED to here anything different.

In today's media world and technology...if after viewing his speach find it only to be what he claims will be discussed...then my child will be allowed to see the speach.

But if there is one hint of trying to use the platform of that speach to propose "indoctrination" to anything other than the benefits of education...It is MY RIGHT as a parent to allow or not allow my child to subject content.

Argue all you want. Condem all you want. It's still my right. And this isn't a democrat or republican issue...it's my issue as a free American. Something many of you only understand if it falls within the confines of the hypocrosy associated with following your party's agenda with blinders on.

Sure, it's your right to carry a hammer. Before you know it, your kid will be FORCED to learn math.:rolleyes
How about this? You let your kid, who apparently is incapable of forming his/her own opinions, watch what the President has to say. Then you spend some time talking to him/her/it about what was said and how you feel about it.
Jesus, you accuse others of following agendas whilst wearing blinders?:lol:lol:lol
.

[SpurNation]

Son if you don't agree you should skip school.. great example!

I've seen parents pull their kids from school FOR ONLY ONE DAY for far less reasons. Trust me...I've been sending children to school for over 24 years and have several more years of doing so left.

And I do allow my children to freely choose their decisions. I'm just not a proponent of having government using a public forum telling my children what they should or should not think. Again...if the speach is only about the importance of education...my child will see that speach at a later time.

Tell you what...let Obama do what he promised to do when running for election...post on the internet any bill or speach he may be proposing or making 24 hours prior to the act so we as Americans can decide for ourselves.

[hater]

:tu

[TeyshaBlue]

No arguement here about it being your right to decide what's best for your child, but me thinks you're still overreacting here. It's a speech about education. He's not going to tell your kid that he/she needs to go home and tell mommy and daddy that they need to support healthcare reform.

Apparently, President Obama has made speeches in the past concerning healthcare! There's no telling what will come out of his mouth!

[TeyshaBlue]

I've seen parents pull their kids from school FOR ONLY ONE DAY for far less reasons.

I've seen parental units do many foolish things....I guess that gives me a pass to do something foolish as well.:rolleyes

[SpurNation]

Sure, it's your right to carry a hammer. Before you know it, your kid will be FORCED to learn math.:rolleyes
How about this? You let your kid, who apparently is incapable of forming his/her own opinions, watch what the President has to say. Then you spend some time talking to him/her/it about what was said and how you feel about it.
Jesus, you accuse others of following agendas whilst wearing blinders?:lol:lol:lol
.


There's a differance in allowing teachers to teach what they are paid to teach and having a government official address our children by means of public education in what they feel is needed according to their own political agenda.

I would be opposed to this if this was a republican or democrat president.

[TeyshaBlue]

There's a differance in allowing teachers to teach what they are paid to teach and having a government official address our children by means of public education in what they feel is needed according to their own political agenda.

I would be opposed to this if this was a republican or democrat president.

As if the curriculum is free from politics.:lol:lol:lol

You are aware that Government officials address our children all the time, right? You'll see PSA's from Governor JFK-Hair, local politicians, and even Congressmen run in our school A/V material as well as excerpts in textbooks.
Mayors and Senators speak at schools, regularly.

I guess only certain government officials should be excluded, right?
Nah...that's not blind party adherence.:downspin:

[hope4dopes]

You're right. I think it's healthy that kids grow up listening to Sean Hannity and Rush Limabugh to get their news. The knowledge that liberals hate america and want to kill old people is a positive message and should allow the kids to grow up and form their own opinion on liberalism and democrats. I think it's smart to stunt your child's growth by telling them how to think. Very, very healthy if you ask me..! So who do you intend to replace the parents with???????????the state?

[TeyshaBlue]

So who do you intend to replace the parents with???????????the state?

I wasn't aware that GGA was advocating replacing parents. Straw-man much?

[clambake]

what is the most important thing we've learned in this thread?

spurnation is afraid of his own manufactured fear.

micca is interested in mr. afro's sexual maturity.

[ploto]

What a great cause!!


Nationally, the tea party group is organizing a nationwide ‘keep your kids home from school day.'

[TeyshaBlue]

what is the most important thing we've learned in this thread?

spurnation is afraid of his own manufactured fear.

micca is interested in mr. afro's sexual maturity.

i'm quite fond of micca.


There, fixed that for you.:lol:lol:lol

[jack sommerset]

My kid won't be going to school that day. After they will have a q and a about how great this liar is.

"How does Obama inspire you" My 6 year old does not need to be asked a question that is intended only to have a good answer for someone who does not need any more ego boosting. He will take those "written" answer on his next campiagn mission. He is dirty.

Leave my kid alone Obama. The country did not ask Obama to spend a hour with our kids and then attempt to talk about what a great guy he is.

[clambake]

There, fixed that for you.:lol:lol:lol

:lol you see right through me.

[hope4dopes]

As if the curriculum is free from politics.:lol:lol:lol

You are aware that Government officials address our children all the time, right? You'll see PSA's from Governor JFK-Hair, local politicians, and even Congressmen run in our school A/V material as well as excerpts in textbooks.
Mayors and Senators speak at schools, regularly.

I guess only certain government officials should be excluded, right?
Nah...that's not blind party adherence.:downspin:

I think people's feelings are, that this regime has acted with unprecedental repressive measures and dishonesty, along with insane attacks on those who dissent. People don't trust them and therefore are weary.
I think it's ridiculous of you to expect a citizenry who've been tarred "swahstika carrying mobs" and "racists" for simply voicing dissent, should trust those who lead this repression to act in good faith.

[coyotes_geek]

There's a differance in allowing teachers to teach what they are paid to teach and having a government official address our children by means of public education in what they feel is needed according to their own political agenda.

I would be opposed to this if this was a republican or democrat president.

Is it any different than government officials telling teachers what they are paid to teach? Evolution for example? Don't get me wrong, I'm with you in the sense that it would be 100% inappropriate for Obama to turn his speech into something encouraging children to follow his political agenda. But let's not lose sight of the fact that politicians are already deeply involved in what goes on in the classroom.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I've seen parents pull their kids from school FOR ONLY ONE DAY for far less reasons. Trust me...I've been sending children to school for over 24 years and have several more years of doing so left.

And I do allow my children to freely choose their decisions. I'm just not a proponent of having government using a public forum telling my children what they should or should not think. Again...if the speach is only about the importance of education...my child will see that speach at a later time.

Tell you what...let Obama do what he promised to do when running for election...post on the internet any bill or speach he may be proposing or making 24 hours prior to the act so we as Americans can decide for ourselves.

Let's agree that all politicians should live up to their promises. If someone you support hasn't lived up to all their campaign promises then you should expect the same from them as you do the president. Fair?

[hope4dopes]

[QUOTE=TeyshaBlue;3667029]I wasn't aware that GGA was advocating replacing parents. Straw-man much?[/QUOTE
I wasn't speaking with you, I was wondering about a statement george made.

[clambake]

My kid won't be going to school that day. After they will have a q and a about how great this liar is.

"How does Obama inspire you" My 6 year old does not need to be asked a question that is intended only to have a good answer for someone who does not need any more ego boosting. He will take those "written" answer on his next campiagn mission. He is dirty.

Leave my kid alone Obama. The country did not ask Obama to spend a hour with our kids and then attempt to talk about what a great guy he is.

why should you worry? if the teachers don't share your opinion about obama....then you should remove them, permenantly, from that school.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think people's feelings are, that this regime has acted with unprecedental repressive measures and dishonesty, along with insane attacks on those who dissent. People don't trust them and therefore are weary.
I think it's ridiculous of you to expect a citizenry who've been tarred "swahstika carrying mobs" and "racists" for simply voicing dissent, should trust those who lead this repression to act in good faith.

:rolleyes

[TeyshaBlue]

I think people's feelings are, that this regime has acted with unprecedental repressive measures and dishonesty, along with insane attacks on those who dissent. People don't trust them and therefore are weary.
I think it's ridiculous of you to expect a citizenry who've been tarred "swahstika carrying mobs" and "racists" for simply voicing dissent, should trust those who lead this repression to act in good faith.

I have even more trust in my kid's ability to detect bullshit and my ability to discuss it with him....it's really not difficult and I'm hardly unique.
I've, apparently without even knowing it, been tarred as a "Swashtika carrying mob" and a "racist". Dude, enough with the herd-think. If you act like a mob, I guess you'll be included with mobs. If you repeat mob bumperstickers, guess what?

[ploto]

I don't know of any time my children were forced to watch any message a president was commuting.

You did not bother to notice because it was your guy Bush making the address, and his opponents were not crazy enough to suggest that school kids should not listen to the president speak specifically to them about the importance of education.

[TeyshaBlue]

[QUOTE=TeyshaBlue;3667029]I wasn't aware that GGA was advocating replacing parents. Straw-man much?[/QUOTE
I wasn't speaking with you, I was wondering about a statement george made.

I'm speaking with you...and anybody else who can read.

[rjv]

schools are just a microcosm of the real world, so as CG pointed out already, might as well have the kids realize politics is everywhere.

[George Gervin's Afro]

So who do you intend to replace the parents with???????????the state?

No I think it's brilliant to expose your children to entertainers to get their news. Never exposing your kids to an opposing opinion should do them well when they happen upon someone they may disagree with (see the attack mobs at the townhall meetings).

[hater]

schools are just a microcosm of the real world,

:lmao say what???

[SpurNation]

As if the curriculum is free from politics.:lol:lol:lol

You are aware that Government officials address our children all the time, right? You'll see PSA's from Governor JFK-Hair, local politicians, and even Congressmen run in our school A/V material as well as excerpts in textbooks.
Mayors and Senators speak at schools, regularly.

I guess only certain government officials should be excluded, right?
Nah...that's not blind party adherence.:downspin:

I'm not a member of any party adherence. Maybe that's what makes me...:downspin:

But to accuse me of being a bad parent by some after seeing my children grow to achieve Master's degrees, become Manager's of business, Teaching Certifications, Scholarships to College, and one currently excelling at their preferred sport is ludicrus.

Oh whoa are my children for having a parent that cares enough about them to allow them to make their own decision after I their parent helps guide them to making conscience decisions.

Yep...that's my kids alright...a detriment to society....:lol

I've got a question...why is it important to take up the time of an entire nation through public education to discuss the importance of education when most of the children there already know the importance of education because they are already being taught this by their parents and teachers?

Shouldn't the one's that are not in school be the one's being addressed?

And shouldn't addressing our economy be top priority of our president at this time?

That's what I taught my children. Address that which needs addressing first.

[jack sommerset]

why should you worry? if the teachers don't share your opinion about obama....then you should remove them, permenantly, from that school.

I'm not worreid. She is not going. This is a public school. I shouldn't have to remove her because some elected officials wants to sell a six year old a bunch of his bullshit. One thing so many americans do agree on is all politicians are corrupt is some way or fashion. You point out what a liar Obama is, someone will point out the samething Bush does. Leave our kids out of it. This guy has zero of my consent to speak to my kid. leave the politics for the adults.

I read these questions on another site. I think D magazine.

"Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?What is the President asking me to do?What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?"

[coyotes_geek]

:lmao say what???

It made sense to me. In the real world we're forced to sort through all the information we receive, knowing full well that all of it contains some level of bias. Same thing at the school level.

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm not a member of any party adherence. Maybe that's what makes me...:downspin:

But to accuse me of being a bad parent by some after seeing my children grow to achieve Master's degrees, become Manager's of business, Teaching Certifications, Scholarships to College, and one currently excelling at their preferred sport is ludicrus.

Oh whoa are my children for having a parent that cares enough about them to allow them to make their own decision after I their parent helps guide them to making conscience decisions.

Yep...that's my kids alright...a detriment to society....:lol

I've got a question...why is it important to take up the time of an entire nation through public education to discuss the importance of education when most of the children there already know the importance of education because they are already being taught this by their parents and teachers?

Shouldn't the one's that are not in school be the one's being addressed?

And shouldn't addressing our economy be top priority of our president at this time?

That's what I taught my children. Address that which needs addressing first.

ROFL...take a moment and re-read my post. I didn't call you a bad parent. I thought what you are doing is stupid, but it takes alot of stupidity to create a bad parent...not just one topic on a discussion board. Put down that fucking hammer already and apply just a tiny amount of critical thought.

We're not taking up the time of an entire nation (WTF!?). If they were convinced of the importance of education, they probably wouldn't drop out later. It's call proactive. You try to get to them before they drop out...not after.:rolleyes

[clambake]

I'm not worreid. She is not going. This is a public school. I shouldn't have to remove her because some elected officials wants to sell a six year old a bunch of his bullshit. One thing so many americans do agree on is all politicians are corrupt is some way or fashion. You point out what a liar Obama is, someone will point out the samething Bush does. Leave our kids out of it. This guy has zero of my consent to speak to my kid. leave the politics for the adults.

I read these questions on another site. I think D magazine.

"Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?What is the President asking me to do?What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?"
you are making a terrible mistake. if these teachers are obama fans, they're gonna really turn the screws on your kid.

i don't think you can afford to take the chance, here.

you should remove her immediately and home school her delicate little ass.

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm not worreid. She is not going. This is a public school. I shouldn't have to remove her because some elected officials wants to sell a six year old a bunch of his bullshit. One thing so many americans do agree on is all politicians are corrupt is some way or fashion. You point out what a liar Obama is, someone will point out the samething Bush does. Leave our kids out of it. This guy has zero of my consent to speak to my kid. leave the politics for the adults.

I read these questions on another site. I think D magazine.

"Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?What is the President asking me to do?What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?"
How do you know what President Obama is going to say is bullshit? Are you just going to make that assumption and run with it?

[hope4dopes]

I have even more trust in my kid's ability to detect bullshit and my ability to discuss it with him....it's really not difficult and I'm hardly unique.
I've, apparently without even knowing it, been tarred as a "Swashticka carrying mob" and a "racist". Dude, enough with the herd-think. If you act like a mob, I guess you'll be included with mobs. If you repeat mob bumperstickers, guess what?

I guess you missed Pelosi,well no matter you've adopted her rhetoric with the herd thing
Let's all lower our voices and put our hands in our laps because,. what you think you see is not really true.....cause your to stupid, and to much of a dumbfuck to decide these things for yourselves.
Now we got us hear is real smart feller whose gonna put all you dumb rednecks on track.You have faith in your kids ability to detect bullshit..huh well why don't you try and wrap your head around the idea that there are lots and lots of people out there that are at least as smart as your kid, and the think they are detecting some bullshit comeing out of Obama
What's so hard for you to grasp people don't trust the jerk,hey it may be just political grandstanding, it may desire to teach the young, whatever but it boils down to people don't trust the guy, and from every thing I've seen they're at least as smart as you.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm not worreid. She is not going. This is a public school. I shouldn't have to remove her because some elected officials wants to sell a six year old a bunch of his bullshit. One thing so many americans do agree on is all politicians are corrupt is some way or fashion. You point out what a liar Obama is, someone will point out the samething Bush does. Leave our kids out of it. This guy has zero of my consent to speak to my kid. leave the politics for the adults.

I read these questions on another site. I think D magazine.

"Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?What is the President asking me to do?What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?"

yes. it's a conspiracy and we are all in on it!

[SpurNation]

Let's agree that all politicians should live up to their promises. If someone you support hasn't lived up to all their campaign promises then you should expect the same from them as you do the president. Fair?

Fair!


Is it any different than government officials telling teachers what they are paid to teach? Evolution for example? Don't get me wrong, I'm with you in the sense that it would be 100% inappropriate for Obama to turn his speech into something encouraging children to follow his political agenda. But let's not lose sight of the fact that politicians are already deeply involved in what goes on in the classroom.

Agreed. But is it wrong for me to want to see his speach first before allowing my child to be subjected to what could turn out to be a political objective?

[jack sommerset]

How do you know what President Obama is going to say is bullshit? Are you just going to make that assumption and run with it?

I am already running with it. Half of what comes out of his mouth is a lie. I don't want him to lecture my kid. LOL What gives him the right? He has none.

[coyotes_geek]

Agreed. But is it wrong for me to want to see his speach first before allowing my child to be subjected to what could turn out to be a political objective?

Wrong? No.

An overreaction on your part? Respectfully, in my humble opinion, yes.

[SpurNation]

Is there an internet site that shows what his speach will say prior to giving the speach?

[clambake]

I am already running with it. Half of what comes out of his mouth is a lie. I don't want him to lecture my kid. LOL What gives him the right? He has none.

seriously jack, get her out of that school. i'm working with acorn and ayers, and they have plans for your little princess.

you should do what ES said..........cover her in bubble wrap.

[SpurNation]

Wrong? No.

An overreaction on your part? Respectfully, in my humble opinion, yes.

I must admit...overreacting...yes. But often we all overreact to what we might foresee as coming based on past experience.

If I could only see what his speach would entail prior to him giving the speach to my child...I would probably not be so alarmed in allowing my child to be subjected to the speach.

[jack sommerset]

you are making a terrible mistake. if these teachers are obama fans, they're gonna really turn the screws on your kid.

i don't think you can afford to take the chance, here.

you should remove her immediately and home school her delicate little ass.

No need. I'll just take her out that day. I guranatee you this will never happen again. They are already changing Obamas lesson for the kids as we speak. They tried to push this through without anyone saying anything. I heard about this from the TV. Not my daughters teachers or school. I bet they didn't even know this was happening until a day or two ago. They certainly didn't know all of it. You just don't get it. We have rights as Americans. This is not to help our kids. This is to help a elective officials. This is not his job.

You shouldn't talk about a 6 year old girls ass. Some may take that the wrong way.

[hope4dopes]

seriously jack, get her out of that school. i'm working with acorn and ayers, and they have plans for your little princess.

you should do what ES said..........cover her in bubble wrap.

Nah... people like you and ayers are like cockroaches they run for cover once the light goes on.

[hope4dopes]

No need. I'll just take her out that day. I guranatee you this will never happen again. They are already changing Obamas lesson for the kids as we speak. They tried to push this through without anyone saying anything. I heard about this from the TV. Not my daughters teachers or school. I bet they didn't even know this was happening until a day or two ago. They certainly didn't know all of it. You just don't get it. We have rights as Americans. This is not to help our kids. This is to help a elective officials. This is not his job.

You shouldn't talk about a 6 year old girls ass. Some may take that the wrong way.

I'm afraid clambake's education in radical politics, and leftest thought boils down to spewing profanities at little old ladies as being an act of adolecent yet revolutionary defiance.Sort of like a children's edition of "Soul on Ice"

[SpurNation]

No need. I'll just take her out that day.
They tried to push this through without anyone saying anything. I heard about this from the TV. Not my daughters teachers or school. I bet they didn't even know this was happening until a day or two ago. They certainly didn't know all of it. You just don't get it. We have rights as Americans.

This is the point I don't get other people not getting. I asked my child if she knew of anything regarding this speach...she said no. And I have yet to receive anything from the school letting me know this is going to happen.

I can go to the school's online site and review all the curiculum my child is participating in. See the grades and progression class by class. See scheduled events other than what is being participating in and... as of yet...nothing being mentioned regarding this planned speach.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm afraid clambake's education in radical politics, and leftest thought boils down to spewing profanities at little old ladies as being an act of adolecent yet revolutionary defiance.Sort of like a children's edition of "Soul on Ice"

You guys have serious issues..:lmao

[hope4dopes]

You guys have serious issues..:lmao

Sort of your catch all phrase huh.

[clambake]

You guys have serious issues..:lmao

leave micca alone. he spent 6 years with a smelly parisian jew.

thats how he knows about the french.

[George Gervin's Afro]

leave micca alone. he spent 6 years with a smelly parisian jew.

thats how he knows about the french.

freedom fries baby!

[TeyshaBlue]

I guess you missed Pelosi,well no matter you've adopted her rhetoric with the herd thing
Let's all lower our voices and put our hands in our laps because,. what you think you see is not really true.....cause your to stupid, and to much of a dumbfuck to decide these things for yourselves.
Now we got us hear is real smart feller whose gonna put all you dumb rednecks on track.You have faith in your kids ability to detect bullshit..huh well why don't you try and wrap your head around the idea that there are lots and lots of people out there that are at least as smart as your kid, and the think they are detecting some bullshit comeing out of Obama
What's so hard for you to grasp people don't trust the jerk,hey it may be just political grandstanding, it may desire to teach the young, whatever but it boils down to people don't trust the guy, and from every thing I've seen they're at least as smart as you.

ROFL @ you putting me and Pelosi in the same sentence. I'm surprised the whole forum didn't explode in a burst of fallacy.:lol:lol

I'm a conservative. Always have been, probably always will be. But that doesn't mean I can't think for myself and apply just a smidge of logic now and again. I may not trust President Obama to make a correct decision in many areas. But it's mindless nonsense to believe it's true as a constant. I can find something worthwhile in many things he says without supporting his conclusions. There's probably some decent points regarding goal setting, responsibility and the value of an education in his upcoming speech. I'm willing to let my son reap the relative rewards of these points knowing full well, I can negate anything President Obama says if I don't agree.
Your asinine redneck jingoism aside, there are lots of people that do detect, somehow, some bullshit coming from Obama. I'm willing to bet that most of them reflect your inability to critically examine anything...just break out the hammer and pound nails.

[TeyshaBlue]

No need. I'll just take her out that day. I guranatee you this will never happen again. They are already changing Obamas lesson for the kids as we speak. They tried to push this through without anyone saying anything. I heard about this from the TV. Not my daughters teachers or school. I bet they didn't even know this was happening until a day or two ago. They certainly didn't know all of it. You just don't get it. We have rights as Americans. This is not to help our kids. This is to help a elective officials. This is not his job.

You shouldn't talk about a 6 year old girls ass. Some may take that the wrong way.

How do you know this is an attempt to help elective officials? Are these gradeschoolers gonna vote in the next election?:lol:lol:lol

Answer: You don't. You simply think it will. You think that way because you are predisposed to do so due to limited scope and lack of critical thinking, in this instance.

[jack sommerset]

This is the point I don't get other people not getting. I asked my child if she knew of anything regarding this speach...she said no. And I have yet to receive anything from the school letting me know this is going to happen.

I can go to the school's online site and review all the curiculum my child is participating in. See the grades and progression class by class. See scheduled events other than what is being participating in and... as of yet...nothing being mentioned regarding this planned speach.

The answer is simple for this forum. You have team Obama. I have yet to see one Obama supporter on this site disagree with anything he has pulled and/or one of his policies. It's happening around America. Look at his approval rating. It is dropping. Under 50 percent. They can spew whatever non-sense that want to in here. It is only helping people relize how bad this current president is.

I hate Obama but I like the clunkers deal. I did not take him up on it but I figure atleast some americans are being helped by this program. Some dealerships got a boost. It sure beats all of those earmarks he put in the stimulus package that only helps Obama's buddies.

This guy is a elective official. He is not suppose to teach our kids in our schools. Come on. Give me a break. "How does Obama inspire you" These are 5-6-7 year old kids. What bullshit. That says right fucking there this is about Obama. Sorry but if you don't get that, you are a fucking idiot. Seriously. leave the kids out of the political game. Leave teaching for the teachers. I don't want my kid learning values from this dirt bag or any other politician. Obama should make a 30 second commericial "Stay in school" I would clap and say good job. That's it. Now concentrate on his job.

[Crookshanks]

I wish Obama would just shut the hell up and stay in the Oval Office and actually do some work. My god, this guy just loves to hear his own voice. He can't go two weeks without being on tv for some reason or other. I mean he's addressing the school children on Tuesday and then addressing Congress on prime time TV the next night.

The only positive thing in all this - every time "The One" goes on tv, the audience gets smaller and his approval ratings drop.

Obama can't get out of campaign mode - it's all he knows how to do. He doesn't know how to actually govern, he just gives great speeches. SHUT UP ALREADY!

[TeyshaBlue]

The answer is simple for this forum. You have team Obama. I have yet to see one Obama supporter on this site disagree with anything he has pulled and/or one of his policies. It's happening around America. Look at his approval rating. It is dropping. Under 50 percent. They can spew whatever non-sense that want to in here. It is only helping people relize how bad this current president is.

I hate Obama but I like the clunkers deal. I did not take him up on it but I figure atleast some americans are being helped by this program. Some dealerships got a boost. It sure beats all of those earmarks he put in the stimulus package that only helps Obama's buddies.

This guy is a elective official. He is not suppose to teach our kids in our schools. Come on. Give me a break. "How does Obama inspire you" These are 5-6-7 year old kids. What bullshit. That says right fucking there this is about Obama. Sorry but if you don't get that, you are a fucking idiot. Seriously. leave the kids out of the political game. Leave teaching for the teachers. I don't want my kid learning values from this dirt bag or any other politician. Obama should make a 30 second commericial "Stay in school" I would clap and say good job. That's it. Now concentrate on his job.

Again, the talking points submitted by the DOE were suggestions. It's not a test. It's just ideas to get some thinking moving in those playstation skulls. The teacher is free to choose any or none of them. It's not a prerequisite for the speech. There is alot of potential for teaching in almost all scenarios of the speech that have been set forth in this thread. Yet, some are too scared to allow their children to examine ideas and discuss them with their teacher and their classmates. If you have at least a room temp. IQ, you should be able to point all fallacies, if any, in Obama's speech. Of course, that would require effort. Much easier to just yank the kid from school.

[TeyshaBlue]

I wish Obama would just shut the hell up and stay in the Oval Office and actually do some work. My god, this guy just loves to hear his own voice. He can't go two weeks without being on tv for some reason or other. I mean he's addressing the school children on Tuesday and then addressing Congress on prime time TV the next night.

The only positive thing in all this - every time "The One" goes on tv, the audience gets smaller and his approval ratings drop.

Obama can't get out of campaign mode - it's all he knows how to do. He doesn't know how to actually govern, he just gives great speeches. SHUT UP ALREADY!

The dude is seriously over-exposed. No arguement here.:toast

[hope4dopes]

Your asinine redneck jingoism aside, there are lots of people that do detect, somehow, some bullshit coming from Obama. I'm willing to bet that most of them reflect your inability to critically examine anything...just break out the hammer and pound nails.



"there are lots of people that do detect' somehow,some bullshit coming from Obama"
"SOMEHOW,SOME BULLSHIT COMING FROM OBAMA" are you fucking serious? I live in one of the most liberal communities in America, and even they'd burst out over that.

I guess you somehow think I'd find redneck an insult, a crushing insult.sorry to dissapoint.My question to you is how do you and all the other"like minded people" intend to rule over the asinine rednecks without their consent, just dazzel them with your amazing intellect.Explain to them there shortcomings and "herd" them in the right direction.

[coyotes_geek]

I wish Obama would just shut the hell up and stay in the Oval Office and actually do some work. My god, this guy just loves to hear his own voice. He can't go two weeks without being on tv for some reason or other. I mean he's addressing the school children on Tuesday and then addressing Congress on prime time TV the next night.

The only positive thing in all this - every time "The One" goes on tv, the audience gets smaller and his approval ratings drop.

Obama can't get out of campaign mode - it's all he knows how to do. He doesn't know how to actually govern, he just gives great speeches. SHUT UP ALREADY!

Gotta agree with you here. Obama definitely enjoys the notoriety and celebrity of the job he has more than he enjoys the actual job itself.

[TeyshaBlue]

Your asinine redneck jingoism aside, there are lots of people that do detect, somehow, some bullshit coming from Obama. I'm willing to bet that most of them reflect your inability to critically examine anything...just break out the hammer and pound nails.



"there are lots of people that do detect' somehow,some bullshit coming from Obama"
"SOMEHOW,SOME BULLSHIT COMING FROM OBAMA" are you fucking serious? I live in one of the most liberal communities in America, and even they'd burst out over that.

I guess you somehow think I'd find redneck an insult, a crushing insult.sorry to dissapoint.My question to you is how do you and all the other"like minded people" intend to rule over the asinine rednecks without their consent, just dazzel them with your amazing intellect.Explain to them there shortcomings and "herd" them in the right direction.

You missed my point, apparently in your haste to construct another strawman. I wasn't calling you a redneck. I was referencing your moronic rant:
Let's all lower our voices and put our hands in our laps because,. what you think you see is not really true.....cause your to stupid, and to much of a dumbfuck to decide these things for yourselves.
Now we got us hear is real smart feller whose gonna put all you dumb rednecks on track.
And using html tags ain't rocket surgery.:lol

[jack sommerset]

How do you know this is an attempt to help elective officials? Are these gradeschoolers gonna vote in the next election?:lol:lol:lol

Answer: You don't. You simply think it will. You think that way because you are predisposed to do so due to limited scope and lack of critical thinking, in this instance.

Are you kidding me? That's my daughter. You want to be smug and think I am worried about who she is going to vote for in 2024. Are you fucking crazy. Why bring that into this. I certainly didn't.

I don't want this guy to teach my kid anything. Also we have not been told what this guy is going to say. We are finding out tiny bits here and there. I have that right to know. Guess what? I don't trust him. I have zero trust of this man. That is my right.

I don't know if he is going to talk about saving the earth, healthcare,soda pop,fighting,etc....I know he has a hour. I know they want the kids to write down what makes Obama inspires them. That is pathetic. I know this is all political. If I thought for one second this was all about the kids I would not take her out. But like everything Obama touches you don't know. He just does what he wants and this time I actually can do something about it. Leave my kid alone Obama.

[TeyshaBlue]

Are you kidding me? That's my daughter. You want to be smug and think I am worried about who she is going to vote for in 2024. Are you fucking crazy. Why bring that into this. I certainly didn't.

I don't want this guy to teach my kid anything. Also we have not been told what this guy is going to say. We are finding out tiny bits here and there. I have that right to know. Guess what? I don't trust him. I have zero trust of this man. That is my right.

I can't disagree with the notion that the contents of the speech should be made available prior to the speech itself. That seems quite reasonable.


I don't know if he is going to talk about saving the earth, healthcare,soda pop,fighting,etc....I know he has a hour. I know they want the kids to write down what makes Obama inspires them. That is pathetic. I know this is all political. If I thought for one second this was all about the kids I would not take her out. But like everything Obama touches you don't know. He just does what he wants and this time I actually can do something about it. Leave my kid alone Obama.

They want the kids to write down what makes Obama inspire them? Have you examined what you just wrote? Who are "they"? Do "they" really want the kids to write this down, or was it just a suggested talking point, one of many in the memo? Must everything be a zero sum game? That's unfortunate if that's your reality.


Leave my kid alone, Obama.

That's signature worthy.:lol

[hope4dopes]

You missed my point, apparently in your haste to construct another strawman. I wasn't calling you a redneck. I was referencing your moronic rant:
And using html tags ain't rocket surgery.:lol

Ah....I see you will sidestep the issue.I think I got your point O.K. Again since I know with your delecate sensiblities you don't mingle with rednecks, they are lots and lots of them as smart as you or your kid,and unfortunatelly they are entitled to self determination.......Bloody peasents!

[TeyshaBlue]

Ah....I see you will sidestep the issue.I think I got your point O.K. Again since I know with your delecate sensiblities you don't mingle with rednecks, they are lots and lots of them as smart as you or your kid,and unfortunatelly they are entitled to self determination.......Bloody peasents!

I grew up on a ranch, dumbass.:lol

You didn't bother to make a point. You did construct an entire platoon of strawmen tho. Congrats.:king

[hope4dopes]

I grew up on a ranch, dumbass.:lol

You didn't bother to make a point. You did construct an entire platoon of strawmen tho. Congrats.:king

You've continued to side step like a fandango pard.

[TeyshaBlue]

You've continued to side step like a fandango pard.

Then make your point. Bonus points if it's lucid.

[Wild Cobra]

It's not free speech when you have an unwilling captive audience. If he says anything partisan, or of an agenda type item, Millions of parents will be outraged.

Schools are a place of learning. Not for political indoctrination. Do you liberals really believe that's not his intent?

[jack sommerset]

I can't disagree with the notion that the contents of the speech should be made available prior to the speech itself. That seems quite reasonable.

I am glad you agree Obama should tell parents what he wants to teach our kids. He has not. That alone should make you understand why some parents are not letting there kids go to school that day. :toast


They want the kids to write down what makes Obama inspire them? Have you examined what you just wrote? Who are "they"? Do "they" really want the kids to write this down, or was it just a suggested talking point, one of many in the memo? Must everything be a zero sum game? That's unfortunate if that's your reality.

Umm I wrote it. They are team Obama. He is always campaigning. Yes they, I mean Obama and his administration do want the kids to write how Obama inspires them. Thus is why they, I mean Obama and his administration ask you to write down the answer to "How does Obama inspire you?" I don't need a memo to tell me how to raise my kid. People can think for themselves. I certainly do. I guess I will say "no" everything has to be a zero sum game. I guess it is fortunate that is not my reality. :lol


That's signature worthy.:lol


Please use it. You have my full endorsement. Good day to you.

[coyotes_geek]

For some reason this thread makes me want to go listen to Pink Floyd's The Wall.

Hey! Obama! Leave those kids alone!
All in all it's just more of Barack in school halls.

[Wild Cobra]

I wonder how many parents will keep their kids home that day?

[jack sommerset]

I wonder how many parents will keep their kids home that day?

I'm checking with my kids school what time are they going to teach Obamas school lesson. I am hoping after 9:00 am. Crazy rule but if she stays in school until 9 she gets credit for the whole day. Regardless my kid will not have to listen to that liar. That's another thing people just don't get. People don't want there kids to get any lessons from a known liar. You may want to pretend the guy does not lie. You would be wrong. You may want to say his lies are campaign promises. You would be wrong. You may want to say it's ok for people to lie. That is your business.

[rjv]

i wish we were all so principled about lies and deceit and the malevolence of the world outside the context of partisan influences.

[LnGrrrR]

Argue all you want. Condem all you want. It's still my right. And this isn't a democrat or republican issue...it's my issue as a free American. Something many of you only understand if it falls within the confines of the hypocrosy associated with following your party's agenda with blinders on.

Calling you dumb is not the same as trying to restrict your right to pull your kid from school.

[LnGrrrR]

The answer is simple for this forum. You have team Obama. I have yet to see one Obama supporter on this site disagree with anything he has pulled and/or one of his policies.

WTF....

Ok, you post later in this thread that you won't follow a liar.

And yet you posted earlier here that you haven't seen ONE Obama supporter disagree with anything. Which is absolute BS. There's been multiple posts, a few from myself against his vote on FISA. You're just being disingenuous.

GTFO, you troll.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm not a member of any party adherence. Maybe that's what makes me...:downspin:



I love all these people who agree with 95% of the Republican platform but insist they're not Republicans.

[jack sommerset]

WTF....

Ok, you post later in this thread that you won't follow a liar.

And yet you posted earlier here that you haven't seen ONE Obama supporter disagree with anything. Which is absolute BS. There's been multiple posts, a few from myself against his vote on FISA. You're just being disingenuous.

GTFO, you troll.

Sorry but I don't see it. Maybe there are some buried among the threads...Fuck you for calling me a troll......And where is the video u promised me

[LnGrrrR]

Sorry but I don't see it. Maybe there are some buried among the threads...Fuck you for calling me a troll......And where is the video u promised me

Sorry, but there's alot of stuff Obama is and isn't doing that is pissing me off. :) Alot of Obama supporters are pissed off about him not producing all the transparency he talked about, as well as being quite lax on civil liberties.

And I just sent the video out. Thanks for the reminder!

[SpurNation]

I love all these people who agree with 95% of the Republican platform but insist they're not Republicans.

Oh...I agree with many Democratic platforms...I just disagree on how they want to achieve most of those goals. Where as I wish Republican's would embrace some of those great ideas of their Democrat counterparts with their inate ability to govern and lead without making it mandated laws further burdening the public.

[LnGrrrR]

For instance:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134082

[DarkReign]

My kid won't be going to school that day. After they will have a q and a about how great this liar is.

"How does Obama inspire you" My 6 year old does not need to be asked a question that is intended only to have a good answer for someone who does not need any more ego boosting. He will take those "written" answer on his next campiagn mission. He is dirty.

Leave my kid alone Obama. The country did not ask Obama to spend a hour with our kids and then attempt to talk about what a great guy he is.

If it was so important to you, if you cared half as much as you pretend to, then your course of action is the weakest cop out a parent could pull.

If you had any real conviction, or true virtue, you'd arm your child with knowledge and perspective and have him/her attend that day.

That way, when the inevitable loaded question rears its head, your child can lend the necessary perspective to all in the room.

But why bother, right? Better to just shut your eyes, close the doors and keep lil' Susie out of school for fear of....whatever the fuck it is you fear from a sitting President addressing students on the importance of an education.

[DarrinS]

I don't really think this is that big of an issue. He's on TV so often that he's lost a lot of his star power.

He's like the ShamWow guy of the political world, only less effective.

[TeyshaBlue]

He's like the ShamWow guy of the political world, only less effective.

ROFLMAO :lol:lol:lol:lol

[rjv]

I don't really think this is that big of an issue. He's on TV so often that he's lost a lot of his star power.

He's like the ShamWow guy of the political world, only less effective.

i hope he's not going to tell us "you're going to love my nuts!"

[da_suns_fan]

While the GOP-controlled Dept. of Education in Texas pushes bible study and Rush Limbaugh into history books...

Republican Party of Florida says Obama will "indoctrinate" school children with
"socialist ideology"








Originally, Obama wanted all children to write about how they coud help the president:


The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president."

White House aides said the language was supposed to be an inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths, but its unintended consequences were evident.

Among the activities initially suggested for pre-K to 6th grade students was to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."

Another assignment for students after hearing the speech was to discuss what "the president wants us to do."

The suggestion about writing letters has since been changed to: "Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."

White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said the changes to the language are intended to make the lesson plans clearer. He added that the speech is not a policy speech, but is intended to encourage kids to work hard and commit to school.

The speech is "about the value of education and the importance of staying in school as part of his effort to dramatically cut the dropout rate," Vietor said.

The Washington Times was first to report Thursday that the plan was being reconsidered. Presidential aides also acknowledged to the newspaper that they helped the U.S. Education Department write the suggested assignments, which stirred criticism by many who say Obama is trying to indoctrinate the education system.

Christina Erland Culver, former deputy assistant secretary for education, said presidents have traditionally addressed classrooms on the first day of school, but the problem with the event was the accompanying materials from the Department of Education.

"That's where they kind of got into a slippery spot. Federal statute denies any authority to the Department of Education to provide any kind of curriculum or anything that can be passed down to the state, and that's part of the statute forming the Department of Education. So they kinda got themselves into this mess because they didn't really understand some of the key legal roles or the dos and don'ts at the federal Department of Ed," she said.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/white-house-withdraws-students-help-obama/ (]http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/02/republican-party-florida/republican-party-florida-says-obama-will-indoctrin/[/url)

SUCK IT, NBADAN.

[SnakeBoy]

It appears somebody missed a lot of English classes.

Ah, the old grammar attack...it's my favorite. Nice Job!

http://marcvz.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/grammar-nazi.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

Parents' outrage preview of Obama TV Sept. 8?
Televised school messages that 'glorify' president called indoctrination

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Posted: September 02, 2009
9:19 pm Eastern


By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Parents are outraged after a Utah elementary school showed a video to schoolchildren about pledging to "to be of service to Barack Obama," "to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again," "to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid" and to advance stem-cell research.

The video, titled "I Pledge" and produced by Demi Moore, features more than 50 Hollywood celebrities who offer their support for President Obama's policies. The film was played for Obama during his inaugural celebration.

But school administrators at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington, Utah, showed the video to young students at an Aug 28 school assembly, sparking outrage from parents and conservative groups who called the film "radical, leftist propaganda," the Salt Lake Tribune reports.

The video can be seen below:

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I Pledge" opens with a popular depiction of Obama. The president states, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other."

The following are some of the more controversial pledges:

I pledge allegiance to the funk of the united funk of funkadelica.
I pledge to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again
I pledge to advance stem-cell research
To reduce my use of plastic … use less bottled water … plant 500 trees this year … to be more green … to no longer use plastic bags at the grocery store
For the environment, I plan to flush only after deuce, never a single
I pledge to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid
I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama
The video asks viewers to visit Serve.gov and sign up for a community service project.

Jennifer Cieslewicz has a daughter who is in first-grade at Eagle Bay Elementary.

"Showing the video in a public school is completely inappropriate," Cieslewicz told the Salt Lake Tribune. "I don't believe a video such as this that promotes certain values should be shown to elementary students, especially without parents being aware. "

Following negative reactions from parents, school principal Ofelia Wade has apologized for showing the video.

Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, told the Tribune that Wade and school PTA leaders chose to play the video during its assembly about the school theme this year – service. He said Wade hadn't viewed the film before it was played for the children.

"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, 'Oops, I wish I would have seen this before. I don't think I would have shown it,' " Williams said. "She acknowledges she was wrong and apologizes for it and says she's sorry."

According to the report, the principal plans to send letters to parents about the film on Wednesday.

Gayle Ruzicka, president of Utah Eagle Forum, told the newspaper the video was blatantly political.

"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."

Ruzicka said she is concerned that the film's pledges may confuse elementary-school children whose parents use plastic bags at grocery stores or who want their children to flush the toilet every time they use the restroom.

She said she also objects to the pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" because he has been elected to serve Americans, not so they will serve him.




News of the public school's decision to show the video comes after WND reported that President Obama plans to give a national address to the nation's school children on Sept. 8. School officials have been asked to take a break from normal educational activities to allow students to view a speech from the president and participate in recommended brainstorming exercises following the broadcast.

According to a letter from U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, "The president will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. …

"He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens."

The speech is scheduled to broadcast live at 12 p.m. EST on C-SPAN and at whitehouse.gov.

Worksheets provided by the U.S. Department of Education encourage teachers to ask pre-K through 6th-grade students the following questions:

What is the president trying to tell me to do?
What is the president asking me to do?
What new ideas and actions is the president challenging me to think about?
Students may be asked to write down "key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful, make posters of their goals, create a "supportive community" by sharing those goals with one another.

Junior-high and high-school students may be asked to brainstorm answers to the following questions before the speech:

Why does President Obama want to speak with us today?
How will he inspire us?
How will he challenge us?
What might he say?
They are encouraged to take notes while President Obama speaks about personal responsibility, goals or persistence. As part of a "guided discussion," they may talk about what President Obama has inspired or challenged them to do.

Neal McCluskey, associate director of the Center for Educational Freedom, objected to the Obama administration message to schoolchildren in a Cato Institute article titled, "Hey Obama, leave those kids alone."

"It's one thing for a president to encourage all kids to work hard and stay in school – that's a reasonable use of the bully pulpit," McCluskey wrote. "It's another thing entirely, however, to have the U.S. Department of Education send detailed instructions to public schools nationwide on how to glorify the president and the presidency, and push them to drive social change. Frighteningly, this is what President Obama has done."

McCluskey objected to Department of Education-suggested classroom activities for pre-K-6 students encouraging children to make posters setting out "community and country" goals.

"Perhaps even more frightening is the lesson schools are pushed to teach that it is important to listen to 'the president and other elected officials,'" he wrote. "Possibly most distressing of all, though, is guidance that appears explicitly designed to glorify both the presidency and President Obama himself …"

He said the White House is trying to use its power over education to "indoctrinate children, something completely antithetical to a free society."

Jim Greer, chairman of the Florida Republican Party, said in a statement that he believes Obama's speech may be a platform "to spread" his "socialist ideology."

"As the father of four children, I am absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology. The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power."

He continued, "While I support educating our children to respect both the office of the American President and the value of community service, I do not support using our children as tools to spread liberal propaganda. The address scheduled for September 8, 2009, does not allow for healthy debate on the President's agenda, but rather obligates the youngest children in our public school system to agree with our President's initiatives or be ostracized by their teachers and classmates."

[Bartleby]

Ah, the old grammar attack...it's my favorite. Nice Job!

http://marcvz.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/grammar-nazi.jpg

I rarely ever pull that card, but in a thread about taking kids out of school it seemed apropos. The irony was simply too rich.

[DarkReign]

^ Especially when what youre seeing is not a typo. Typo suggests your fingers just got fat, or youre missing a single letter or two.

Spelling speech as "speach" is just terrible spelling. Ive been guilty of it...I used to type "alot".

[Spurminator]

I think it's appalling that we have a President lecturing children on the importance of education and encouraging them to get involved in their community. If there's one thing our children don't need right now it's a sense of responsibility.

[Jacob1983]

I bet these kids are really gonna hate having to do all of this extra school work because of Obama. They are probably going to be thinking "when is this guy going to leave our school". Writing letters, reading books, and other assignments about Obama seem like a lot of work for these little kids. Those kids are gonna be pissed unless they believe Obama is awesome and cool. That's too much work for little kids in my opinion. I don't think Bush made kids do this when he was president and he was Hitler remember. And isn't this whole thing just a waste of time? Shouldn't Obama focus on important things like the economy and his great health care plan rather than make kids do meaningless extra school work because of him?

[Bartleby]

How is Obama making kids do school work?

[Spurminator]

I hear if the kids don't do the suggested work Obama will use his fiery laserbeam eyes to tear out their insides in front of their classmates.

[rjv]

and why is a muslim from kenya lecturing american students anyway ?

[ChumpDumper]

The following are some of the more controversial pledges:

I pledge allegiance to the funk of the united funk of funkadelica. :rollin

If you really care about this, go with your child to class that day.

All you are doing is imagining what might happen -- living in some trumped up fear. That seems to be what Republicans who say they aren't Republicans do best these days.

[coyotes_geek]

and why is a muslim from kenya lecturing american students anyway ?

ain't no muzlim socialist gonna inducktrinate my chillen with that book lernin'.

[florige]

I love all these people who agree with 95% of the Republican platform but insist they're not Republicans.



Yeah most of them are independents, or a former Obama supporter. :rolleyes

[jack sommerset]

I went early to get my kid from school today. Elementary school in Plano, Texas. I asked what time would they be showing the Obama learning lesson. The girl went to get the principle. The principle looked stressed out when she came up to me. She said she ask for her school not to show the learning video. BUT she just got a e-mail from the school district wanting the parents to decide what kids should watch the video or not. She said that could change. The teachers would be let known what is going to happen and to keep in contact with them.

[Spurminator]

Hide your children! Hide them now! Before it's too late!

[TeyshaBlue]

I went early to get my kid from school today. Elementary school in Plano, Texas. I asked what time would they be showing the Obama learning lesson. The girl went to get the principle. The principle looked stressed out when she came up to me. She said she ask for her school not to show the learning video. BUT she just got a e-mail from the school district wanting the parents to decide what kids should watch the video or not. She said she that could change. The teachers will be let know what is going to happen and to keep in contact with them.

WFAA is reporting: • PLANO ISD says the presidential address "is not a component of the Plano ISD curriculum and is therefore not a mandatory activity. Viewing the broadcast is not a planned classroom activity for September 8." The district added that the speech will be recorded and available to students and teachers via a video library.

My kids school district is Birdville ISD. They're not showing it either.

[rjv]

ain't no muzlim socialist gonna inducktrinate my chillen with that book lernin'.

:lol

warning to parents: teachers will be teaching kids about evolution this school year. creationists should be prepared to remove their childen from school on these days.

[jack sommerset]

WFAA is reporting: • PLANO ISD says the presidential address "is not a component of the Plano ISD curriculum and is therefore not a mandatory activity. Viewing the broadcast is not a planned classroom activity for September 8." The district added that the speech will be recorded and available to students and teachers via a video library.

My kids school district is Birdville ISD. They're not showing it either.

Good. It's laughable this guy wanted to give a learning lesson to our kids in school and thought noone would care. Serious. When he is done being president then he can become a teacher. Where does it say in this assholes job description he should teach our kids about education. I disagree with Obama on almost every subject. I'm sure education would be no different. He should have given the parents the information first. Now it's yet another political issue. Now the people are saying "you can't do that" Now the schools are having to choose sides. Now Mr I want to bring the country together just pushed us more apart.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll laugh my ass off if all he says is work hard and stay in school.

[jack sommerset]

I'll laugh my ass off if all he says is work hard and stay in school.

So would I because that would have been one boring ass hour.

"How does Obama inspire you?"

"Umm he makes me want to work hard and stay in school"

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

So would I because that would have been one boring ass hour.

"How does Obama inspire you?"

"Umm he makes me want to work hard and stay in school"

:lmaoThat's pretty much what I think it's going to be.

[coyotes_geek]

Just saw a thread over in the club that northside and northeast isd's aren't going to show the speech.

Oh, and apparently Rick Perry is "troubled" by this.

[BacktoBasics]

Such a horrible thing to preach the value of an education. The fucking nerve of that god damn ######. How fucking dare he teach our kids anything. ITS OUR JOB TO TEACH THEM NOTHING NOT HIS. I WON'T HAVE A BLACK MAN STAND UP AND DEMAND A BETTER WORLD FROM OUR YOUTH. NOT IN MY FUCKING TOWN. NOT IN MY FUCKING COUNTRY.

:PITCHFUCKINGFORKANDSTICKFIRE:

[clambake]

I went early to get my kid from school today. Elementary school in Plano, Texas. I asked what time would they be showing the Obama learning lesson. The girl went to get the principle. The principle looked stressed out when she came up to me. She said she ask for her school not to show the learning video. BUT she just got a e-mail from the school district wanting the parents to decide what kids should watch the video or not. She said she that could change. The teachers will be let know what is going to happen and to keep in contact with them.

check out this paragraph.

you should watch the video.

[jack sommerset]

check out this paragraph.

you should watch the video.

What's on the video? Please share.

[coyotes_geek]

One more interesting note on this topic, Bush Sr. gave a speech like this back in 1991. Congressional democrats objected. Considering Clinton won in 92 and 96 I'd think it's safe to assume that the nation's school children did not become indoctrinated republicans as a result of Bush's speech.

******************

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2009/09/03/perry_troubled_by_rollout_of_o.html

One other note: I pointed out in this morning’s First Reading column that in 1991, then-President George Bush gave a similar national address to students as the one that Obama is planning for Tuesday. An astute commenter found a followup story in the Washington Post from the time that showed Democrats were quite critical, just as many conservative commentators have been regarding Obama’s speech.

From the Washington Post on Oct. 3, 1991:

House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school.

The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers.

“The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students,” House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. “And the president should be doing more about education than saying, ‘Lights, camera, action.’ “

Two House committees demanded that the department explain the use of its funds for the speech, an explanation that Deputy Secretary David T. Kearns provided late in the day in a letter to Rep. William D. Ford (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was out of town.

[clambake]

What's on the video?

obama in a black helicopter dropping gummy bears down to your re-education camp children.

[jack sommerset]

obama in a black helicopter dropping gummy bears down to your re-education camp children.

:lol

[BacktoBasics]

The worst part about all of this isn't the message or who delivers it. It's that instead of allowing your kids to view his message then open up some dialogue about his thoughts vs. your own and so on. You simply chose to narrow the view of interpretation by removing a variable you know nothing about. Way to fucking broaden the scope of parenting.

[johnsmith]

I love all these people who agree with 95% of the Republican platform but insist they're not Republicans.

Dude, that shit goes both ways on this board............sort of like boutons and his sexuality.

[SpurNation]

Just saw a thread over in the club that northside and northeast isd's aren't going to show the speech.

Oh, and apparently Rick Perry is "troubled" by this.

Well...good reason why I didn't see anything about it on the portal.

I wonder which local districts will be airing this?

I will have to admit...some children don't have the support of a parent(s) and the only form of civility and learning they do receive is from the public schools they attend.

I have been exercising my opinion regarding this based solely on my involvement with my own children. Selfish indeed on my part. Rethinking... I have come to the conclusion that many children do need the encouragement of a high profile individual (regardless of political affiliation) in order to maybe help them stay in school instead of dropping out. I just hope it doesn't become an agenda based speech as well.

[johnsmith]

This will be a "hey kids, work hard and stay in school.........here's why" type of a thing.

Why the fuck is everyone worried about it? Most of these little bastards will forget about it a good 10 minutes after they turn in the homework associated with the speech.

[BacktoBasics]

Who cares what the speech becomes or what avenue it takes or what special interest it has. Are you people that incapable of having a conversation with your kids about it. Do you people just all sit at home with your fingers jammed in your ears humming away.

[johnsmith]

Do you people just all sit at home with your fingers jammed in your ears humming away.

Are you fucking kidding? Of course they do.

[ChumpDumper]

This will be a "hey kids, work hard and stay in school.........here's why" type of a thing.

Why the fuck is everyone worried about it? Most of these little bastards will forget about it a good 10 minutes after they turn in the homework associated with the speech.I seriously want to hear what the Republicans who say they aren't Republicans really think their children are going to hear.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Who cares what the speech becomes or what avenue it takes or what special interest it has. Are you people that incapable of having a conversation with your kids about it. Do you people just all sit at home with your fingers jammed in your ears humming away.

This is a requirement to be a conservative these days.

[johnsmith]

This is a requirement to be a conservative these days.

Really? Shitty parenting is now exclusive to conservative's according to you? That's just dumb.

I've tried to tell you, leave the 'quips' to Chump and Clambake, they are good at it, you are not.

[johnsmith]

I seriously want to hear what the Republicans who say they aren't Republicans really think their children are going to hear.

Do you really not know what they'll say?

[ChumpDumper]

Do you really not know what they'll say?I have an idea, but they usually exceed my expectations with their paranoia.

[SpurNation]

I seriously want to hear what the Republicans who say they aren't Republicans really think their children are going to hear.

I really do hope it's just about "stay in school". Some of these kids need to hear this message being many parents just don't care if their kids are in school or not.

And I'm glad it is being left up to districts whether to air it or not.

As far as this non-partisan person is concerned...It has never been about what should be said about education as much as Obama's history has shown he doesn't pass up an opportunity to advocate political agenda.

Smart on his part. He's a very intelligent person. These kids that will be viewing this message will be... in the next few years... eligable to vote. Smart indeed.

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't say what you think children are going to hear.

[SpurNation]

You didn't say what you think children are going to hear.

I don't know. I haven't been allowed the luxury of reviewing his planned speech. Though he did make clear in his campaign to make government more transparent. Do you know what he's going to say?

I've already admitted to possibly being over reactive regarding this. But that's just my observance that the man has never past up opportunity to push his own political agenda regardless of what he is planned to speak about. He's a consumate politician. A very good politican indeed.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know. I haven't been allowed the luxury of reviewing his planned speech. Though he did make clear in his campaign to make government more transparent. Do you know what he's going to say?I think he's going to tell kids to work hard, stay in school and have a happy Ramadan.

What do you think he's going to say?

[SpurNation]

What do you think he's going to say?

What part of my previous post did you not understand when I said
"I don't know"? But...in observance of any previous speeches he has made he has not hesitated to exasperate political agenda?

By the way...
Just heard on NBC national news that parents will have the opportunity to review the speech a day prior to the speech being given.

Fair enough....I can accept that.

[ChumpDumper]

You were ready to have your child miss a day of school because of what you thought Obama might say and made a general call to revolution and physical fighting because of it -- and now you claim to not know what you think he might say?

Sounds about right.

[coyotes_geek]

Just send your kids to school and if they come back socialists you can always ground them.

[ploto]

The funniest part is all these people up in arms over Obama giving a speech to encourage students to work hard in school when they have little clue as to what their kids hear in school every single day from those authority figures. If you have a child who tells you everything that happens at school, you would be very surprised. If you really think that every day your kids are not being inundated in one way or another by their teachers, you are hiding your head in the sand. I still remember my World History teacher who was a big Republican preaching to us all the time about conservative views. The fact that I even knew her party affiliation tells you a lot.

[ducks]

obama be like me go in debt 200k for education and hope you get elected so your debt will be wiped out

[Nbadan]

Originally, Obama wanted all children to write about how they coud help the president:



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/white-house-withdraws-students-help-obama/

SUCK IT, NBADAN.

Help the president indoctrinate your children no doubt!

:lmao

[ducks]

Just send your kids to school and if they come back socialists you can always ground them.

no you can not punish children
children have rights !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:downspin::lol

[clambake]

i've been ducked!

[ducks]

You didn't say what you think children are going to hear.

they will hear empty promises then later they will be broken

[SpurNation]

:lol

Holding my child from school was based on thinking it was going to be a forced issue upon my child. If any of you as a parent think that this is OK you are free to handle it any way you deem fit for your own child.

I rethink and agree with the fact that some children don't even have parents that care enough whether their child is in school and hope that this is not a speech that lends itself to personal political agenda and I am now considered as unworthy because of that thought.

It only goes to show that there are those that truly FEAR individual thought.

As far as calling to physical interaction if so needed to defend my rights to free choice...hell yeah...our founding fathers did the same against an oppressive ruling government.

[Wild Cobra]

I love all these people who agree with 95% of the Republican platform but insist they're not Republicans.
Interesting.

If you agree with a groups stated principles, but the members of that group refuse to follow their own stated principles, do you want to be a part of their group?

From GOP dot com (http://www.gop.com/about/imarepublicanbecause.htm):


Republican Principles

I'm a Republican Because...

I BELIEVE the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person’s dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.

I BELIEVE in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability.

I BELIEVE free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity.

I BELIEVE government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn.

I BELIEVE the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations, and that the best government is that which governs least.

I BELIEVE the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people.

I BELIEVE Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times.

I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.

FINALLY, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.

[PM5K]

I think I might just keep my kids home so I can make sure they DO watch his speech.

[SpurNation]

I think I might just keep my kids home so I can make sure they DO watch his speech.

That's your right. It's your kids.

[Nbadan]

Somebody is gonna look mighty stupid when the White House gives a nice speech on hardwork, ethics, honesty and staying away from 'bad influences'...

[LnGrrrR]

Such a horrible thing to preach the value of an education. The fucking nerve of that god damn ######. How fucking dare he teach our kids anything. ITS OUR JOB TO TEACH THEM NOTHING NOT HIS. I WON'T HAVE A BLACK MAN STAND UP AND DEMAND A BETTER WORLD FROM OUR YOUTH. NOT IN MY FUCKING TOWN. NOT IN MY FUCKING COUNTRY.

:PITCHFUCKINGFORKANDSTICKFIRE:

:lmao

[DarkReign]

Republican Principles

I'm a Republican Because...

I BELIEVE the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person’s dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored. sounds good

I BELIEVE in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability. also good, but not very true as it applies to economic station

I BELIEVE free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity. true

I BELIEVE government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn. laughable and wholly untrue

I BELIEVE the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations, and that the best government is that which governs least. true in theory, completely unpracticed

I BELIEVE the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people. bullshit

I BELIEVE Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times. whatever that means

I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world. Republicans using the word "peace" as it pertains to foreign policy is also incredibly laughable

FINALLY, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government. mantra making...the only thing you need is a mirror or a large group and this can be repeated ad nauseam

[LnGrrrR]

Interesting.

If you agree with a groups stated principles, but the members of that group refuse to follow their own stated principles, do you want to be a part of their group?

From GOP dot com (http://www.gop.com/about/imarepublicanbecause.htm):

That "I Believe" is a bunch of crap. Democrats could say the same thing; they just have different policies and ways to achieving their goals. You and I can BOTH believe in keeping our country safe, and have radically different ideas of what it would take to make that happen.

If you agree with 95% of the Republican platform's stated tactics for achieving those goals (no amnesty for illegals, warrantless wiretapping, increased military presence, tax cuts in the majority of cases, torture), then yes, for most intents and purposes, you're a Republican.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, etc etc...

[SpurNation]

Somebody is gonna look mighty stupid when the White House gives a nice speech on hardwork, ethics, honesty and staying away from 'bad influences'...

:lol Yeah...I'm sure some parents are willing to absorb a momentary look of stupidity if it meant that if for some reason in reality it goes the other direction.

What harm is it to want to know what a speech will entail before the speech is made to our children if being made by a politician? Hello...Transparency.

I guess I don't get it. Spending years of my life protecting, providing and being instrumental in my children's lives is all of a sudden a critical component in how they turned out. Which by the way... all have done well for themselves in many different aspects in the "individual" direction which they chose for themselves.

[SnakeBoy]

Somebody is gonna look mighty stupid when the White House gives a nice speech on hardwork, ethics, honesty and staying away from 'bad influences'...

Of course he will give a nice speech, that's not what has stirred up so many parents. I'll post it again since you seem to keep missing it...


Worksheets provided by the U.S. Department of Education encourage teachers to ask pre-K through 6th-grade students the following questions:

What is the president trying to tell me to do?
What is the president asking me to do?
What new ideas and actions is the president challenging me to think about?
Students may be asked to write down "key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful, make posters of their goals, create a "supportive community" by sharing those goals with one another.

Junior-high and high-school students may be asked to brainstorm answers to the following questions before the speech:

Why does President Obama want to speak with us today?
How will he inspire us?
How will he challenge us?
What might he say?
They are encouraged to take notes while President Obama speaks about personal responsibility, goals or persistence. As part of a "guided discussion," they may talk about what President Obama has inspired or challenged them to do.

You know your liberal ass would be freaking out if Bush had kids spending school time writing about why he inspires them.

As for looking stupid, it's Obama that already looks stupid. I was listening to Pags on the way home and he was reading the statements from all the school districts that won't be showing Obama's speech. Hell even Fort Sam Houston school district isn't going to show it. They said their decision was based on his speech interfering with PE classes :lol.


On September 8, 2009, President Barack Obama will deliver a national address to the students of America. During this special address, the president will speak directly to the nation's youth about persisting and succeeding in school. FSHISD respects the office of the President and knows that this is an important message. However, we also wish to avoid a disruption to the school day and the loss of academic time, so no special assemblies will be held for the address. This decision was made for logistical reasons only as many students will be at lunch, P.E. and other activities outside the classroom during the original broadcast. After the speech, a link to a recorded copy will be provided through the district's main webpage.

[clambake]

fear of worksheets....funny

[Nbadan]

You know your liberal ass would be freaking out if Bush had kids spending school time writing about why he inspires them.

First of all, the words Bush and inspiration should never be used in any other context than this...

....second of all, forget that Obama is black and liberal for a second, Bush started a very unpopular war that could wind up costing tax-payers $2 trillion dollars or more in the long-run and will affect the lives of many servicemen for decades, Obama dumped a fraction of that to keep the all-mighty free-market economy from complete and utter collapse...so far, he's made the U.S. $4 billion dollars in interest...

[Nbadan]

...it was a poorly-worded memo...but kids are gonna go watch the video on Youtube anyway, and wonder why Mom and Dad did not want them to watch this inspirational speech....

[clambake]

As for looking stupid, it's Obama that already looks stupid. I was listening to Pags on the way home and he was reading the statements from all the school districts that won't be showing Obama's speech. Hell even Fort Sam Houston school district isn't going to show it. They said their decision was based on his speech interfering with PE classes :lol.

you thinking that this makes obama look stupid is stupid.

[SpurNation]

...it was a poorly-worded memo...but kids are gonna go watch the video on Youtube anyway, and wonder why Mom and Dad did not want them to watch this inspirational speech....

We'll see. I hope that being able to review the speech before it's given many parents take advantage of this and decide accordingly if it will be appropriate for their children to view.

Kudos to Obama for providing that.

We have been so "indoctrinated" ourselves in our adult lives by many politicians that is it any wonder that we don't trust politicians and their motives?

[LnGrrrR]

We'll see. I hope that being able to review the speech before it's given many parents take advantage of this and decide accordingly if it will be appropriate for their children to view.

Kudos to Obama for providing that.

We have been so "indoctrinated" ourselves in our adult lives by many politicians that is it any wonder that we don't trust politicians and their motives?

I know I was certainly appalled when I found out Bush was in a public school reading to children on 9/11. Leave it to obama to outsmart him though... why indoctrinate ONE school when you can indoctrinate them ALL at once? MUAHAHAHAHAH!

[jack sommerset]

Dallas Morning News article

There's no doubt the presidential address directed to the captive audience of the nation's schoolchildren Tuesday will be nonpartisan and positive. Chock full of "study hard and stay in school."

The problem? It's not his place to deliver it.

That's why my first-grader won't have any part in this.

I know some people will say that we live in a democracy, he's the national leader and the people voted for him.

Those people are wrong on all three counts. We're a republic. He's the president of a federation of states. And a majority of the members of the electoral college voted for him.

What could further cement this fundamental, dangerous misperception of the proper, limited role and power of the president's office than to have him beamed into every classroom speaking virtually ex cathedra? I got nothing.

By the way, see how I haven't mentioned the president's name? That's intentional. It wouldn't matter to me who the president is. This could be Bush, Clinton, Reagan or zombie Milton Friedman – it wouldn't matter. I don't want a president of any stripe presenting himself as the All Powerful Oz until my kid has the wherewithal to look behind the curtain.

The study materials dictated by the White House to accompany the address make the hairs on my neck stand up:

Why is it important that we listen to the president and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress and the governor? Why is what they say important?

What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?

They're not even trying to hide it: What elected officials say is important, and they are different – more important – than you. We should do what they ask. It's our role. Listen. Serve. Obey.

This is anathema to everything good in the American spirit. Government is supposed to serve us, not the other way around.

(And why should kids be taught to value the words and wants of officeholders who've tanked the economy and taken out a mortgage on their grandkids' future for nondefensive wars and failed bailouts? But I digress with these criticisms in a way I bet few teachers will.)

Look, watching a president's speech in a middle or high school civics class? No problem. In a few years, I want my kid to be confronted by challenging ideas, informed debate and opposing values. That's how a kid learns, evolves and strengthens her own ideas and beliefs.

That's not what this is.

These are grade school kids. You know, the ones who giggle over the word booger and do their financial planning based on the tooth fairy's visits. Critical thinking and nuance? Not their strong suits yet.

What this is, though, is imprinting on them the idea that one person is their leader.

And if he's the leader, what does that make them?

This didn't start with Obama and – shocker – it's not about him.

In his book The Cult of the Presidency, Gene Healy examines the decades' long drift away from the vision the Founding Fathers had for the limited role of the president, and at the disturbing trend of both liberals and conservatives to think of the office as a limitless "combination of guardian angel, shaman and supreme warlord."

This Tuesday's address will only make it worse.

Execute the federal laws, Mr. President.

You do your job (don't you have a deficit to grow or something?), and we parents and teachers will worry about the kids.

[SnakeBoy]

First of all, the words Bush and inspiration should never be used in any other context than this...

....second of all, forget that Obama is black and liberal for a second, Bush started a very unpopular war that could wind up costing tax-payers $2 trillion dollars or more in the long-run and will affect the lives of many servicemen for decades, Obama dumped a fraction of that to keep the all-mighty free-market economy from complete and utter collapse...so far, he's made the U.S. $4 billion dollars in interest...

TARP is Obama's great accomplishment now? :lol

This must be really hard on you. Obama ran such a perfect campaign but now it's one stupid political move after another. What are you going to do a year from now when you have to defend the mounting US casualties and money spent in a failed effort to democratize Afghanistan.


you thinking that this makes obama look stupid is stupid.

I guess you haven't kept up with Obama's poll numbers. Or maybe you think that when independents are leaving him the best political move to get them back is to start fucking with their kids.

[Nbadan]

TARP is Obama's great accomplishment now?

Did I say that? I said it saved the American economy, in a shaky but steady uptick now, from complete and utter collapse..and saved millions of jobs in the process

[jack sommerset]

I guess you haven't kept up with Obama's poll numbers. Or maybe you think that when independents are leaving him the best political move to get them back is to start fucking with their kids.

No shit. This calling everyone stupid is stupid. Look at the polls. Ask a neighbor what he thinks? Read a paper. Go to these tea partys,town halls, see for yourself if they are mobsters :lol

People are tired of all this shit. This not what Obama promised to the people. It's in your face everyday. Some of you were so gun ho on getting rid of Bush you forgot he wasn't even RUNNING. Now look what you got. People like myself don't even want this terd to speak in front of there kids. :lmao

[SpurNation]

Excellent point Jack regarding Dallas Morning News article.

[Nbadan]

This must be really hard on you. Obama ran such a perfect campaign but now it's one stupid political move after another. What are you going to do a year from now when you have to defend the mounting US casualties and money spent in a failed effort to democratize Afghanistan.

Just to be clear, you are FOR abandoning Afghanistan now right?

[Nbadan]

dupe

[Nbadan]

No shit. This calling everyone stupid is stupid. Look at the polls. Ask a neighbor what he thinks? Read a paper. Go to these tea partys,town halls, see for yourself if they are mobsters :lol

People are tired of all this shit. This not what Obama promised to the people. It's in your face everyday. Some of you were so gun ho on getting rid of Bush you forgot he wasn't even RUNNING. Now look what you got. People like myself don't even want this terd to speak in front of there kids. :lmao

.....apparently, enough people thought Bush was in the Senate and House too!

:lol

[clambake]

I guess you haven't kept up with Obama's poll numbers. Or maybe you think that when independents are leaving him the best political move to get them back is to start fucking with their kids.

hey, albert, go back and read what i quoted from you.

the only sensible thing you wrote in that quote was how schools wouldn't let the kids miss PE. (sensible because pound for pound, you guys are some of the fattest fuckers in the union).

[ploto]

I am just curious as to where all the protests were about interfering with instruction time last week during the elementary school pep rally.

[ploto]

I guess some of you would have had your heads explode in January when my child's school watched the inauguration.

[LnGrrrR]

I know some people will say that we live in a democracy, he's the national leader and the people voted for him.

Those people are wrong on all three counts. We're a republic. He's the president of a federation of states. And a majority of the members of the electoral college voted for him.


I agree with him where he stated the power grab the Presidency has taken since the founding fathers... but the lines above are ridiculous. Yes, we're a democratic republic, but it's pretty obvious what people mean when they say that America is a democracy. He is obviously a national leader... what, the UNITED STATES isn't a nation now, but some ragamuffin clan of fiefdoms? And finally, the majority of people DID vote for him. That's usually what is meant by the term "The people voted for him". That phrase isn't meant to imply that every person in the election voted for him, obviously. It's a strawman attack.

[jack sommerset]

.....apparently, enough people thought Bush was in the Senate and House too!

That is a great point. They hated Bush sooooo much they took away as much power as they could in 2006. Perhaps they were right. Perhaps one man cannot have all that power. Obama is going down this same road. 2010 people will vote republican hoping to take away as much power from Obama as they can.

[Wild Cobra]

I guess some of you would have had your heads explode in January when my child's school watched the inauguration.
No, that's a historical event for social studies. As long as they would have done the same if McCain had won, where's the problem?

[jack sommerset]

I agree with him where he stated the power grab the Presidency has taken since the founding fathers... but the lines above are ridiculous. Yes, we're a democratic republic, but it's pretty obvious what people mean when they say that America is a democracy. He is obviously a national leader... what, the UNITED STATES isn't a nation now, but some ragamuffin clan of fiefdoms? And finally, the majority of people DID vote for him. That's usually what is meant by the term "The people voted for him". That phrase isn't meant to imply that every person in the election voted for him, obviously. It's a strawman attack.

You know this is mostly a protest. Not all but most. Speaking for myself, I am not too concern about what Obama will say. Sure I might have to tell her the earth won't die or anything. I really have no clue what this guy will say in a hour, why he thinks it's ok for him to do this and to ask kids what he does that inspires them. But what I do know he has no right to do this. I have had enough. This is a small way I can say "I have had enough of politics" Leave my kid alone. And I hate the guy. I really think he is bad for our country and he has hurt our country.

[Wild Cobra]

You know this is mostly a protest. Not all but most. Speaking for myself, I am not too concern about what Obama will say. Sure I might have to tell her the earth won't die or anything. I really have no clue what this guy will say in a hour, why he thinks it's ok for him to do this and to ask kids what he does that inspires them. But what I do know he has no right to do this. I have had enough. This is a small way I can say "I have had enough of politics" Leave my kid alone. And I hate the guy. I really think he is bad for our country and he has hurt our country.
What will happen when some kind turn in papers to their teachers that effectively say:

"He does not inspire me."

Will that child fail that assignment?

[jack sommerset]

What will happen when some kind turn in papers to their teachers that effectively say:

"He does not inspire me."

Well that child fail that assignment?

Under the Obama rules that will go under as something fishy and the teachers will be asked to send those papers to the White House.

[boutons_deux]

But TX parents let their kids be indoctrinated that creationist bullshit and Biblical fairy tales are just as scientifically valid and asworthy of consideration as Darwinism.

The fucking USA is the laughing stock of the planet.

[Nbadan]

Indoctrination!

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002099/

[jack sommerset]

The fucking USA is the laughing stock of the planet.

It's hard to argue that.

[SnakeBoy]

Just to be clear, you are FOR abandoning Afghanistan now right?

My position on Afghanistan is the same as it has always been. I support opening up a big can of American whup ass on Afghanistan for awhile then patting ourselves in the back for a job well done and then getting the fuck out while the gettin is good. It's a shithole, always has been always will be.

[SpurNation]

I agree with him where he stated the power grab the Presidency has taken since the founding fathers... but the lines above are ridiculous. Yes, we're a democratic republic, but it's pretty obvious what people mean when they say that America is a democracy. He is obviously a national leader... what, the UNITED STATES isn't a nation now, but some ragamuffin clan of fiefdoms? And finally, the majority of people DID vote for him. That's usually what is meant by the term "The people voted for him". That phrase isn't meant to imply that every person in the election voted for him, obviously. It's a strawman attack.

What is truly taking place now in the people's minds is that we are not a nation of either this or that. We are a nation of multiple beliefs and convections. We are more educated and less temporal to our beliefs.

If any one party or individual comes into power we feel that we are not being represented fairly if we believe different. I don't know...it is complex more so than it was just 30 years ago. We are a nation evolving. Into what I hope will be determined by the inate good that is in all of us and not by political discord.

[Jacob1983]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this but this whole thing could just be one big stunt to draw attention away from Obama sucking ass. Just think about it. A lot of parents are pissing in their pants because Obama is going to talk to kids at school. This is drawing attention away from Obama sucking ass on the real problems i.e. the economy and his health care plan. If Obama is doing this whole thing for that sole reason then he is a genius. I'm still curious to see what would have happened if this had happened under Bush. I don't even think it would have been allowed. I'm 100 percent that there wouldn't have been a video of celebrities pledging their allegiance to Bush.

[clambake]

I'm still curious to see what would have happened if this had happened under Bush. I don't even think it would have been allowed. I'm 100 percent that there wouldn't have been a video of celebrities pledging their allegiance to Bush.

if there were a video, do you think they would sell it at target?

[sabar]

How did this thread even go past one post?

The libtards are retarded for actually condemning anyone pulling their kid out for any reason. You don't actually learn anything at public schools unless you are in honors or AP courses. If you are in those courses you know the material and politics anyways. WGAF if kids miss random days? They are also dumb for thinking that any kid would actually pay attention to any educational message int he video at all. If the parent can't motivate them, no one can.

The neo-cons are retards too. The entire school system already indoctrinates your children in everything from morals, to expected freedoms, to how government is awesome and how STDs will kill you instantly. Maybe you should home school your kid, they don't learn crap anyways. It's also laughable that anyone seriously expects an indoctrination message of any kind. Anyone with a brain cell would know that would be political suicide. Everyone knows its going to be another boring "blah blah stay in school and work hard even though society encourages you to fail and hate school because your parents are failures and let the state raise you". There won't even be subliminal messaging.

The political forum sucks more than the dead Oden thread. The only point is to check in and see how everyone is polarized to one side; based on totally arbitrary "choices" that most likely have no moral significance in the long run. The only things more whacko are the pseduo-independents and false-libertarians that don't want to be generalized with the socialist or authoritarian parties that we vote in.

[Nbadan]

Step outside from Mom's basement every once in a while. The Political Forum is reflection of what is going on everywhere...the Spurs get 3-4 hours of basketball on TV/Radio maybe 3 times a week during the season...politics is 24-7 year round....don't hate the player just cause you don't like the game...player...

[Jacob1983]

Target wouldn't but I'm sure Wal Mart would.

Are news networks going to cover this event all day long or just give a recap of it? It just seems like people are orgasming a little too much about this. They're acting like a president has never visited a school before. Presidents have been doing that for decades. It's tradition.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'd absolutely let my 6 yr old child hear the president of either party speak. He would think that was cool and I would agree with him. Of course my kid is going to be able to think for himself and have the analytical skills to be able to decide what kind of person he wants to become. I respect his intelligence and try to not get in his way when he expresses himslef through an opinion or his actions. Even in the end if he , gasp, becomes a conservative then I will respect him just as much as if he was a liberal. It is not my job to malke him think a certain way...


Now on to you dead ender indoctrinators..I feel sorry for your kids but I'm sure we will eventually see them at townhall meetings yelling at the top of thier voices at whom they diagree with.. calling people names even though they can't define what they are accusing of what other people are..

[to21]

You are naive to believe that between the textbooks and state and US mandated laws in our public school system, that government involvement doesn't already exist. Where was every one's bleeding heart when Bush brought along No Child Left Behind?

[TeyshaBlue]

I'd absolutely let my 6 yr old child hear the president of either party speak. He would think that was cool and I would agree with him. Of course my kid is going to be able to think for himself and have the analytical skills to be able to decide what kind of person he wants to become. I respect his intelligence and try to not get in his way when he expresses himslef through an opinion or his actions. Even in the end if he , gasp, becomes a conservative then I will respect him just as much as if he was a liberal. It is not my job to malke him think a certain way...


Now on to you dead ender indoctrinators..I feel sorry for your kids but I'm sure we will eventually see them at townhall meetings yelling at the top of thier voices at whom they diagree with.. calling people names even though they can't define what they are accusing of what other people are..

ROFL. My oldest son worked Obama's campaign. I kept him in my will anyway.:toast
He's wasn't a bright kid tho.:lol:lol:lmao

[TeyshaBlue]

But TX parents let their kids be indoctrinated that creationist bullshit and Biblical fairy tales are just as scientifically valid and asworthy of consideration as Darwinism.

The fucking USA is the laughing stock of the planet.

Ooooo! boutons found another bumpersticker!

[Soul_Patch]

I have never, in my short 32 years, seen so much fear mongering and paranoia...is this how the conservative party has been all along? It is fuckin scary the level that people are going to about our current politics. Have i just not paid attention, and this is how its always been? It seems like people are taking to DEFCON 5 Dumbassery lately, fuckin bizzare.

What is so bad about the President of the United States talking to school children about the importance of a good education. He is the fucking president, he SHOULD be a role model and someone your kids should look up to.

I didnt read this whole thread, its just too much for me...but jesus H christ people...its scary how far skewed some people are.

[boutons_deux]

http://mediamatters.org/static/images/logo_print.png (http://mediamatters.org/)

Conservative media take note: Reagan preached tax cut gospel to America’s students

September 03, 2009 1:09 pm ET - by Matt Gertz

Putting aside possible ulterior motives, the conservative (http://mediamatters.org/research/200909030013) freak-out (http://mediamatters.org/research/200909020012) over President Obama’s planned speech to students urging them to stay in school and work hard is due to fears that Obama will use his platform as an opportunity to push his agenda on unsuspecting students. Ironically, that’s exactly what President Reagan did two decades ago.

On November 14, 1988, Reagan addressed and took questions from students from four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building. According to press secretary Marlin Fitzwater, the speech was broadcast live and rebroadcast by C-Span, and Instructional Television Network fed the program “t o schools nationwide on three different days.” Much of Reagan’s speech that day covered the American “vision of self-government” and the need “to keep faith with the unfinished vision of the greatness and wonder of America” but in the middle of the speech, the president went off on a tangent about the importance of low taxes:
Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.

I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.
During the question-and-answer portion of the event, Reagan returned to the topic, this time telling the students that lowering taxes increases revenue:
Q My name is Cam Fitzie and I'm from St. Agnes School in Alexandria, Virginia. I was wondering if you think that it is possible to decrease the national debt without raising the taxes of the public?

PRESIDENT REAGAN: I do. That's a big argument that's going on in government and I definitely believe it is because one of the principle reasons that we were able to get the economy back on track and create those new jobs and all was we cut the taxes, we reduced them. Because you see, the taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper and to earn more and so forth because they have to give so much to the government. And what we have found is that at the lower rates the government gets more revenue, there are more people paying taxes because there are more people with jobs and there are more people willing to earn more money because they get to keep a bigger share of it, so today, we're getting more revenue at the lower rates than we were at the higher. And do you know something? I studied economics in college when I was young and I learned there about a man named Ibn Khaldun, who lived 1200 years ago in Egypt. And 1200 years ago he said, in the beginning of the empire, the rates were low, the tax rates were low, but the revenue was great. He said in the end of empire, when the empire was collapsing, the rates were great and the revenue was low.
The students probably didn’t know any better, but this is an idea that has been rejected (http://mediamatters.org/research/200711160007) by virtually every economist not named Larry Kudlow.

Do Sean Hannity (http://mediamatters.org/research/200909030013) and the folks at NewsBusters (http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909020008) think President Reagan was engaging in Maoist indoctrination? Do Glenn Beck (http://mediamatters.org/clips/200909020037) and WorldNetDaily (http://mediamatters.org/research/200909020012) think Reagan was pulling a Mussolini or attempting to assemble his own Hitler Youth? Or is it possible that the conservative media has decided that if Obama is for it – whether “it” means “universal health care” or “stay in school” – they’re against it?

Copyright © 2009 Media Matters for America. All rights reserved.

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The ideological, doctrinaire hate media is totally against indoctrination ... only if the doctrines aren't theirs.

[jack sommerset]

I didnt read this whole thread, its just too much for me...but jesus H christ people...its scary how far skewed some people are.

Perhaps you should have read more. For people that think people are scared what Obama will say are the ones who are out there. Again. The President has zero rights to teach our kids. Conversation should end there. Throw in the fact he wants to do what ever he wants and not tell people is another reason. The fact that people hate this guy is another. People are sick of this guy. He wants kids to make posters for him, tell him what he should do as president (ha, most americans don't want healthcare,cap and tax,actual stimulus money to boost the economy),he wants to know how he inspires 5 year olds. Kids should not be subjects to politics in school. Leave that for the adults.

He is going to far. He is a elective official. Not a teacher. He also shouldn't give teachers talking points before and after his hour long school lesson. This whole thing stinks of mindless self indulgence and and dirty politics. He is not listening.

Some folks say you don't want him to speak because he is black. Give me a fucking break, some say you don't want your 5 year olds to think for themselves. That speaks for itself. Some say you are scared. All stupid. Some schools don't want to do the right thing, the parents have a chance to.

[Spurminator]

You're right, your kids are much better off being subjected to cheerleader partisan politics and fear mongering than a pro-education and pro-community-service message from the President of the United States.

You are insane and I pity your children.

[clambake]

Perhaps you should have read more. For people that think people are scared what Obama will say are the ones who are out there. Again. The President has zero rights to teach our kids. Conversation should end there. Throw in the fact he wants to do what ever he wants and not tell people is another reason. The fact that people hate this guy is another. People are sick of this guy. He wants kids to make posters for him, tell him what he should do as president (ha, most americans don't want healthcare,cap and tax,actual stimulus money to boost the economy),he wants to know how he inspires 5 year olds. Kids should not be subjects to politics in school. Leave that for the adults.

He is going to far. He is a elective official. Not a teacher. He also shouldn't give teachers talking points before and after his hour long school lesson. This whole thing stinks of mindless self indulgence and and dirty politics. He is not listening.


Some folks say you don't want him to speak because he is black. Give me a fucking break, some say you don't want your 5 year olds to think for themselves. That speaks for itself. Some say you are scared. All stupid. Some schools don't want to do the right thing, the parents have a chance to.

i've seen your playbook. why don't you call in a bomb threat? or have your kids class create a grade-school quality animation about mobile library labs? or hold up a vile of white obama dust for everyone to gaze?

[jack sommerset]

You're right, your kids are much better off being subjected to cheerleader partisan politics and fear mongering than a pro-education and pro-community-service message from the President of the United States.

You are insane and I pity your children.

:lol Nice level headed thinking.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Perhaps you should have read more. For people that think people are scared what Obama will say are the ones who are out there. Again. The President has zero rights to teach our kids. Conversation should end there. Throw in the fact he wants to do what ever he wants and not tell people is another reason. The fact that people hate this guy is another. People are sick of this guy. He wants kids to make posters for him, tell him what he should do as president (ha, most americans don't want healthcare,cap and tax,actual stimulus money to boost the economy),he wants to know how he inspires 5 year olds. Kids should not be subjects to politics in school. Leave that for the adults.

He is going to far. He is a elective official. Not a teacher. He also shouldn't give teachers talking points before and after his hour long school lesson. This whole thing stinks of mindless self indulgence and and dirty politics. He is not listening.

Some folks say you don't want him to speak because he is black. Give me a fucking break, some say you don't want your 5 year olds to think for themselves. That speaks for itself. Some say you are scared. All stupid. Some schools don't want to do the right thing, the parents have a chance to.

For clarification purposes the people you refer to as hating him didn't vote for nor will they ever support him. So since our country is roughly 50/50 politics wise , are you saying that the president (whomever it is) will never be able to talk to children because half the country hates him? So in your world the President should never talk to a child..:lmao

[Soul_Patch]

Perhaps you should have read more. For people that think people are scared what Obama will say are the ones who are out there. Again. The President has zero rights to teach our kids. Conversation should end there. Throw in the fact he wants to do what ever he wants and not tell people is another reason. The fact that people hate this guy is another. People are sick of this guy. He wants kids to make posters for him, tell him what he should do as president (ha, most americans don't want healthcare,cap and tax,actual stimulus money to boost the economy),he wants to know how he inspires 5 year olds. Kids should not be subjects to politics in school. Leave that for the adults.

He is going to far. He is a elective official. Not a teacher. He also shouldn't give teachers talking points before and after his hour long school lesson. This whole thing stinks of mindless self indulgence and and dirty politics. He is not listening.

Some folks say you don't want him to speak because he is black. Give me a fucking break, some say you don't want your 5 year olds to think for themselves. That speaks for itself. Some say you are scared. All stupid. Some schools don't want to do the right thing, the parents have a chance to.

So instead of having your kids get a pro education message from a figure head, you would rather what? They do the same thing they always do in public school? Just enough to get by, and then drop out and suck up tax dollars with welfare? Some kids (alot of kids) could use a positive role model in their lives...not every kid on earth has the perfect white picket fence life that you may have had. If this speech helps even one kid get motivated to succeed in school, then damn, i think its worth it...what are you so affraid of? Are you or your kids so incapable of thinking for themselves that if you hear anything dissenting you may not be able to control yourself? I dont get it. Would you rather your kids be allowed to go sit out in the lunch room and peddle Mom's hydrocodone (http://www.dare.com/home/prescriptionsharing.asp)to each other for spending money?

what the fuck is the big idea...are you opposed to bookit (http://www.bookitprogram.com/), or D.A.R.E (http://www.dare.com/home/default.asp) too?

I seriously just dont get the fear here...do you dislike McGruff the crime dog, or Ronald McDonald...Point being, these are all things used to get your kids to pay attn and make good choices in their lives...

Sorry not picking on you specifically...you were the only one replying so i used it as an example.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Are you or your kids so incapable of thinking for themselves that if you hear anything dissenting you may not be able to control yourself? I dont get it. Would you rather your kids be allowed to go sit out in the lunch room and peddle Mom's hydrocodone to each other for spending money?

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jack's kids can't think for themselves so they will a mindless drone like jack is. And a scared one at that..

[Soul_Patch]

OMG I just read Bookit gives teachers hand outs and informational lessons on ways to get gets to read....they are BRAINWASHING our kids to READ!!!! R E A D...im loading my rifles and baracading the doors now.

[jack sommerset]

For clarification purposes the people you refer to as hating him didn't vote for nor will they ever support him. So since our country is roughly 50/50 politics wise , are you saying that the president (whomever it is) will never be able to talk to children because half the country hates him? So in your world the President should never talk to a child..:lmao

Dumbass. How in the fuck do you know for clarification purposes people who voted for him don't hate him now? Give us a break. What gives him the right to have a 1 hour prepare education lesson for our kids with all the little shit has has planned before and after? Is it because Reagan took questions in 1988 from kids?

[Spurminator]

:lol Nice level headed thinking.


My judgement of your sanity is based on emperical evidence and does not rely on the bias of my emotions. I have no anger or hate at play in my analysis, only what I have gathered from the mountain of nutty nonsense you've dumped on this forum.

[jack sommerset]

jack's kids can't think for themselves so they will a mindless drone like jack is. And a scared one at that..

Nice. You are the drone. You think Obama can do whatever he wants. You are the types of people I am talking about that is on team Obama. You never ever disagree with anything he does. That is a drone you dumbass. No doubt in my mind if Obama wanted your kid for his own you would have his bags packed before he finished fucking your girl.

[clambake]

Nice. You are the drone. You think Obama can do whatever he wants. You are the types of people I am talking about that is on team Obama. You never ever disagree with anything he does. That is a drone you dumbass. No doubt in my mind if Obama wanted your kid for his own you would have his bags packed before he finished fucking your girl.

you should kill your kids to protect them.

[jack sommerset]

My judgement of your sanity is based on emperical evidence and does not rely on the bias of my emotions. I have no anger or hate at play in my analysis, only what I have gathered from the mountain of nutty nonsense you've dumped on this forum.

You brought up cheerleading you nut job. It's not emotions, it is common sense. Obama has no rights to teach our kids.

[coyotes_geek]

Dumbass. How in the fuck do you know for clarification purposes people who voted for him don't hate him now? Give us a break. What gives him the right to have a 1 hour prepare education lesson for our kids with all the little shit has has planned before and after? Is it because Reagan took questions in 1988 from kids?

I hope for your kids' sake you keep them locked up in the basement. Heaven forbid you risk exposing them to someone who doesn't have the right to teach them something.

[jack sommerset]

you should kill your kids to protect them.

You need help.

[Spursfan092120]

Northside ISD and NEISD in San Antonio are not showing the video. They will post it online and allow the children to watch it with their parents at home. Makes sense. Everyone should do that.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Nice. You are the drone. You think Obama can do whatever he wants. You are the types of people I am talking about that is on team Obama. You never ever disagree with anything he does. That is a drone you dumbass. No doubt in my mind if Obama wanted your kid for his own you would have his bags packed before he finished fucking your girl.

believe it or not jack I am not happy with everything he's done. and as I have mentioned on this board many times I was prepared to vote for Mccain until he picked the quitter from alaska so your stupid for making the claim that I agree with everything he does. I simply like to clarify your baseless accusations that come along every hour or so. So go back into your make believe world that everyone hates obama and your way of thinking is in the majority... that's fine..go back to making stuff up to hate him for..

[jack sommerset]

I hope for your kids' sake you keep them locked up in the basement. Heaven forbid you risk exposing them to someone who doesn't have the right to teach them something.

Unreal. Look at you freaks. All because I don't want my 6 year old to be included in some ploitical game. Honestly get a fucking life.

[Soul_Patch]

Nice. You are the drone. You think Obama can do whatever he wants. You are the types of people I am talking about that is on team Obama. You never ever disagree with anything he does. That is a drone you dumbass. No doubt in my mind if Obama wanted your kid for his own you would have his bags packed before he finished fucking your girl.

Wow...ok i thought you were just a dissenting opinion but you obviously have some wierd issues.

Because we agree that it is OK to have a figure head tell our kids school is good, and get motivated about educating themselves...that equates, in your eyes, to we would give our kids to Obama because we are drones...

Are you fucking kidding me dude? You are whats wrong with society. You you got your head so far up you ass you cant see anything else than the myopic BS that you hear from conservative talking heads...fire up the H1 and load the M16s martha...Obama is trying to edjukate r kids...

Call a spade a spade bro...stop reading the neocon emails and basing all of your viewpoints from them...try thinking for yourself and using some critical thinking...this after all, is what makes us human...right?

[jack sommerset]

believe it or not jack I am not happy with everything he's done. and as I have mentioned on this board many times I was prepared to vote for Mccain until he picked the quitter from alaska so your stupid for making the claim that I agree with everything he does. I simply like to clarify your baseless accusations that come along every hour or so. So go back into your make believe world that everyone hates obama and your way of thinking is in the majority... that's fine..go back to making stuff up to hate him for..

Sorry..... I don't believe it.

[Soul_Patch]

Northside ISD and NEISD in San Antonio are not showing the video. They will post it online and allow the children to watch it with their parents at home. Makes sense. Everyone should do that.

I am perfectly ok with that, as im sure everyone is...

[clambake]

Unreal. Look at you freaks. All because I don't want my 6 year old to be included in some ploitical game. Honestly get a fucking life.

this is exactly what you're doing to your kid.

[coyotes_geek]

Unreal. Look at you freaks. All because I don't want my 6 year old to be included in some ploitical game. Honestly get a fucking life.

The political game is everywhere. It's not confined to just one television address by the president. It's on TV. It's in adults who pass it on to children who pass it on to their friends. If you really want to protect your children from exposure to ideas you don't approve of, you have to isolate them. That's the only way that you can insure that your child will only learn what you deem appropriate.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Unreal. Look at you freaks. All because I don't want my 6 year old to be included in some ploitical game. Honestly get a fucking life.

keep him home and teach him how liberals and democrats hate their country and that oabam is a liar. great word to teach your kid. now he can go around and call everyone a liar that he doesn't agree with. your doing a great job as a parent.:td

[jack sommerset]

Wow...ok i thought you were just a dissenting opinion but you obviously have some wierd issues.

Because we agree that it is OK to have a figure head tell our kids school is good, and get motivated about educating themselves...that equates, in your eyes, to we would give our kids to Obama because we are drones...

Are you fucking kidding me dude? You are whats wrong with society. You you got your head so far up you ass you cant see anything else than the myopic BS that you hear from conservative talking heads...fire up the H1 and load the M16s martha...Obama is trying to edjukate r kids...

Call a spade a spade bro...stop reading the neocon emails and basing all of your viewpoints from them...try thinking for yourself and using some critical thinking...this after all, is what makes us human...right?

Some of you can't think for themselves. Nothing weird about not wanting a 6 year old subject to politics especially from a socialist and a liar. Nothing weird about asking your president to do his job. I think for myself dumbass. Get over it. When you find out what Obama is teaching our kids let me know. By the way. It is not his job.

[jack sommerset]

this is exactly what you're doing to your kid.

:lol I have to work. Good day gentlemen!!!!!!!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Some of you can't think for themselves. Nothing weird about not wanting a 6 year old subject to politics especially from a socialist and a liar. Nothing weird about asking your president to do his job. I think for myself dumbass. Get over it. When you find out what Obama is teaching our kids let me know. By the way. It is not his job.

Is your argument basically:

People hate him so he shouldn't speak to children in schools?

According to your weak logic there will always be people who hate a stting president so therefore does that mean every president going forward should not be allowed to talk to kids in their classrooms?

[Soul_Patch]

Some of you can't think for themselves. Nothing weird about not wanting a 6 year old subject to politics especially from a socialist and a liar. Nothing weird about asking your president to do his job. I think for myself dumbass. Get over it. When you find out what Obama is teaching our kids let me know. By the way. It is not his job.

Maybe you guys could start your own "ruby ridge" and not have to worry about the outside world tainting your just and perfect society.

From what i hear, you are not far from it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The only thing political about this talk to kids are the people protesting it. You honestly believe your kid would be politically indoctrinated when it has been clearly outlined that it will be about the importance of education? Your argument holds zero weight.

The funny thing is that stormfront.org and other white nationalists actually have a coherent argument. It goes a long the lines that kids seeing a black person in charge would eventually get used to it and limit their abilities to become true white nationalists.

Do you want to try that argument instead? Because honestly, it would be at least coherent and somewhat logic based.

jack's arguments don't have any type of logical coherence..

[jack sommerset]

Is your argument basically:

People hate him so he shouldn't speak to children in schools?

Are you really that stupid and/or that far left that you not only discount whatever else I wrote but completly ignore it. Let me copy and paste the other reasons for you that I have said several times.

I'll put a number next to the other reasons so hopefully even you can figure out this is not about hate. Perhaps that is a word that I should not use to describe how I feel about him. But I do know he is a liar and very very bad for our country. Then I will sit back and wait for more dumbass remarks from you.

1)The President has zero rights to teach our kids. Conversation should end there.

2)Throw in the fact he wants to do what ever he wants and not tell people is another reason.

3)The fact that people hate this guy is another. People are sick of this guy.

4) He wants kids to make posters for him, tell him what he should do as president (ha, most americans don't want healthcare,cap and tax,actual stimulus money to boost the economy),he wants to know how he inspires 5 year olds.

5) Kids should not be subjects to politics in school. Leave that for the adults.

6) He is a elective official. Not a teacher.

7)He also shouldn't give teachers talking points before and after his hour long school lesson.

8)This whole thing stinks of mindless self indulgence and and dirty politics.

I am moving on. If you don't agree that is fine with me.

[nkdlunch]

you should kill your kids to protect them.

very interesting post. because it is possible for someone to beleive this.

watch the film La Dolce Vita

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053779/