No more Chavez!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

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http://www.nomaschavez.org/
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10157467493&ref=search&sid=512435038.1253626051..1

For those still unaware, there's a world wide anti-chavez march organized for today Friday, September 4. The places and times are shown in the list in the first website I posted. Hopefully, we can make this memorable and meaningful. Enough of scum like Chavez!

[Nbadan]

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[DarrinS]

Is anyone PRO Chavez?


Well, besides Obama.

[clambake]

Is anyone PRO Chavez?


Well, besides Obama.

you are one dumbass birther.

[DarrinS]

you are one dumbass birther.

You could really use some new material.

[Yonivore]

Is anyone PRO Chavez?


Well, besides Obama.
Harry Belafonte and Sean Penn.

And, good luck with that "worldwide" Chavez protest. He eats that shit up.

Finally a question for clambake; why is President Obama one of a handful of world leaders, joining Chavez, (and all of the others being dictators, communists, or both) in pressuring Honduras to ignore their own constitution and put their former president back in power?

What's up with that?

[DarrinS]

If you in fact doubted that Obama was born on US soil, it sticks pretty good.



I have no doubt that he was born in Hawaii. That's why clamtwat's calling me a birther is irritating.

[clambake]

Harry Belafonte and Sean Penn.

And, good luck with that "worldwide" Chavez protest. He eats that shit up.

Finally a question for clambake; why is President Obama one of a handful of world leaders, joining Chavez, (and all of the others being dictators, communists, or both) in pressuring Honduras to ignore their own constitution and put their former president back in power?

What's up with that?

go ahead, you're dying to answer your own question.

pretty cheap setup....even for you.

[clambake]

I have no doubt that he was born in Hawaii. That's why clamtwat's calling me a birther is irritating.

so, you finally went back on it. :toast

[Yonivore]

go ahead, you're dying to answer your own question.

pretty cheap setup....even for you.
It was a simple question.

I'd really like to know why Obama is opposing a constitutional solution, in favor of a despotic one, in Honduras.

[doobs]

I'd really like to know why President bush pushed a corporate de-facto monopoly solutions, in favor of one that eliminated the middle man and increased competition.

XM-Sirius, CIngular-Alltell-Att, WellsFargo-WAMU mergers. NO Sherman antitrust act applied, approved straight through the Dept of Justice.

Extremism brings extremism. That's why.

How many abodiginals do you see modeling?

[Yonivore]

I'd really like to know why President bush pushed a corporate de-facto monopoly solutions, in favor of one that eliminated the middle man and increased competition.

XM-Sirius, CIngular-Alltell-Att, WellsFargo-WAMU mergers. NO Sherman antitrust act applied, approved straight through the Dept of Justice.

Extremism brings extremism. That's why.
The further away from January 21, 2009 we get the less sense these kind of complaints make. Either from you or the current President.

So, you defend the President's support of the former Honduran president's attempt at an extra-constitutional power grab by pointing to some perceived wrong by a previous administration?

I'm sure President Obama would hope for more than deflection.

[Yonivore]

Eh Screw it.

Obama is a Socialist! He's going to indoctrinate our children and make them think about ways to help him! Next thing you know, he's sleeping with our white women! Save yourselves!

Don't worry about me. I'll probably be thrown in jail for making such a comment, since his rule is on par with Hugo Chavez
Nice hyperbole.

[hope4dopes]

Is anyone PRO Chavez?


Well, besides Obama.

My,My Darrin it seems you've struck a chord,and to answer your questions ...yes there does seem to be some folks here who do support Chavez. Also Mark Lloyd Obama's diversity czar or whatever he is, the guy trying to grab control over the FCC under the guise of "diversity" is a great admirer of Chavez, and Chavez's closing down of the free press in Venezuela.

[clambake]

My,My Darrin it seems you've struck a chord,and to answer your questions ...yes there does seem to be some folks here who do support Chavez. Also Mark Lloyd Obama's diversity czar or whatever he is, the guy trying to grab control over the FCC under the guise of "diversity" is a great admirer of Chavez, and Chavez's closing down of the free press in Venezuela.

let me guess.....you lived with someone from there, too?

[Nbadan]

.....same ole shit....Hugo took their shit and gave it to the people...he even let them go after they attempted to over-throw him.....you would be shot here for less here... unless your the Texas governor...

[hope4dopes]

let me guess.....you lived with someone from there, too? Just for about 4 months.

[hope4dopes]

.....same ole shit....Hugo took their shit and gave it to the people...he even let them go after they attempted to over-throw him.....you would be shot here for less here... unless your the Texas governor...

Yeah sorta like what Che and Fidel did huh.

[hope4dopes]

let me guess.....you lived with someone from there, too?

OOPS.. sorry I lived in Venezuela for a little over 4 months.

[Nbadan]

...Yeah, kinda like when the people stood up and fought for WHO during the Bay of Pigs?

[hope4dopes]

...Yeah, kinda like when the people stood up and fought for WHO during the Bay of Pigs?

Yeah and kinnda like when Che was butchering anybody that questioned what the fuck he was doing, or why he always got an erection when he pulled a fucking trigger.
You know I can kindda understand you not knowing shit about a bunch of dead old white men, cause that's a waste of time, but I thought you might know a little about the heros of the revolution.

[Nbadan]

Pfff.....Sherman did worse in the south, but history is always written by the winners

[hope4dopes]

Man I thought this burgeoious revoluntary chic went out with patachouli, and black light posters...I guess it's kinda like the gratefull dead, it stays alive with the help of the unwashed and the burnt out.

[hope4dopes]

Pfff.....Sherman did worse in the south, but history is always written by the winners

Go to Mami and tell them that. The result of shermans war was emancipation the result of che's war was .......OKAY EVERYBODY QUIET DOWN NOW.....GET IN LINE AND CHECK YOU BALLOT....AS YOU SEE THIS YEAR YOUR CHOICE IN THE PRESIDENTAL ELECTION WILL BE FIDEL CASTRO AND ......FIDEL CASTRO...OR.....WELL I'LL BE DAMNED...FIDEL CASTRO .....VIVA LA REVOLUCION.

[Nbadan]

Wow, yeah, the people of Cuba should know better than to go against global business interest, especially when it wants to swallow you alive, set up a Banana Republic and spit out your wasted natural resources like they did in South and Central America...

[hope4dopes]

Wow, yeah, the people of Cuba should know better than to go against global business interest, especially when it wants to swallow you alive, set up a Banana Republic and spit out your wasted natural resources like they did in South and Central America...

OH YEAAAAH.cuba's awash with natural resources.
And you offer up what..........The people having their revolution co-opted,and stolen by a bunch of nenderthal thugs whose only qualification or mandate was a willingness to murder anyone who stood in their way of filling the power vaccum. To terrorize and cower anyone who wanted a different vision of cuba other than that of a totoletarian state.

What a vision.Maybe when you try and defend this crime as liberation,you can begin to understand why nobody trusts your vision of 'hope and change".

[Nbadan]

Yeah, bloody revolution and political assasinations weren't happening anywhere else near the region at the time....only in Cuba.... and the nicaraguan CIA-trained 'nationalist' group came carrying rum and flowers for the Cuban people and to safely escort Fidel and his family away to JiMMorrisland...

[Yonivore]

Why do people assume Americans aren't responsible for massive persecutions of people? It's almost laughable. They killed people! From Native Americans...
Native Americans?

Name another country -- besides Israel (because they're the only other one) to set aside lands for a conquered people. Normally, in the annals of history, a conquered people were subjugated, killed, or exiled.

Oh yeah, the Aborigines.

And, the only thing that compassion has earned is terrorism, scorn, and petty nonsense. I'm telling you, if you're going to conquer a land. Kill 'em or send 'em away, never to return.


...to Saddam Hussein, everything is their own doing.

The ironic thing is that doesn't work anymore
Saddam Hussein is still dead, isn't he?

[Yonivore]

Just off the top of my head. Spain (Moores), Mongolia (Budhists, Russians (shame)). You really don't know history don't you?

Saddam Hussein was put into power by us, then killed by us. He was a waste. You saying he's dead doesn't change the fact that power and large amount of defense spending was through our authorized by our govt.
Iran was a bigger enemy at the time...

They still were in 2001 but, Saddam Hussein became a dangerous liability and Iraq is a nicely situated piece of property from which to launch operations in the region.

[ChumpDumper]

Native Americans?

Name another country -- besides Israel (because they're the only other one) to set aside lands for a conquered people.Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Taiwan, Costa Rica, Argentina, the Philippines -- to name a few.

[hope4dopes]

Why do people assume Americans aren't responsible for massive persecutions of people? It's almost laughable. They killed people! From Native Americans to Saddam Hussein, everything is their own doing.

The ironic thing is that doesn't work anymore
Ironic, yes ironic...and yet the really irony of the whole situation is despite America's bloodthirsty record, there isn't hardly an African alive who wouldn't trade places with Van Jones, Cubans were braving near sucide in order to flee Cuba and come to the U.S. That Latin Americans flood our country illegally.That so many dream of living here.
Ironic that it's capitalist republics that have given the most wealth, the most freedom, the most oppurtunity to the largest number of it's citizens to actualize themselves on all levels, and not communisim, not socialists.
It is so ironic that a bankrupt political theroy that not even the most backward of third world nations would embrace, is being forced down our throats as a panacea for our problems. it is ironic, that we give so much of our energy listening to and placacating the most twisted and stunted souls of our nation, instead of ignoring their idiocy and using that energy to honor and build our own vision.

[Yonivore]

:lol

Yeah, we were under threat of being invaded. I especially like how Saddam despised Al-qaeda, that makes him a terrorsit.
Hated 'em so much his sons lauded their terrorist attacks in the family newspaper. Hated 'em so much he allowed al Zarqawi to flee Afghanistan into Iraq.

You're a simple-minded useful idiot of the left. You're lucky there are adults keeping your ass alive.

[Yonivore]

Go fuck yourself. I've been on 2 Iraq tours (that's missions, not a vacation) you dipshit. And have voted for many people from different parties. I've Protected your ass from those imaginary nuclear weapons that you still believe exist.

Keeping my ass alive? LMAO.
Bill Clinton saw the connection in the 90's

The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp)

[ChumpDumper]

Bill Clinton saw the connection in the 90's

The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp)So he was wrong too. Only he didn't start an unnecessary war over a false connection.

[Yonivore]

For a second there, I thought you had some concrete evidence. Then I read it was the CIA. It doesn't matter who thought it was. Both administrations where wrong. Guilt by association for the loss, again.

:sleep
So, where did all the chemical weapons, known to exist and inventoried by UNSCOM before being kicked out in 1998, go?

[ChumpDumper]

So, where did all the chemical weapons, known to exist and inventoried by UNSCOM before being kicked out in 1998, go?Isn't that what the war was about?

Oh no, you said it was about getting military base in the area.

[hope4dopes]

I really don't know why this discussion went thisway. When the USSR existed, africans where very much wanted in their population. They were portraid as socialist comrades. Since they have accepted capitalism, many non-russian has a chance of being beaten/murdered on the streets and be victimized due to soley race. You could say the same about this country not to long ago.

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Only a fool refuses to see the evils of all political systems


When the USSR existed, africans where very much wanted in their population. They were portraid as socialist comrades


Christ not even the Soviets believe their own propaganda, and you try and peddle it here. the entire post is idiotic.......A la Van Jones.

[Yonivore]

I believe the true story of Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction will eventually be told...despite the left's herculean efforts to deny it. There is already plenty of circumstantial evidence they existed and, I believe history will eventually tell the tale.

A few of the tale-tell signs:

U.S. transferred uranium from Iraq without U.N. authorization (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-07-07-iraq-uranium_x.htm)

Iraqi uranium transferred to Canada (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jddnLQlKUe7nPOQGa5EXiXgoPE4g)

What the fuck was Iraq doing with all that yellowcake uranium?

I know, you took the "no stockpiles" statement from the Kay Report and the "no evidence" statement from the Duelfer Report and ran with it. No one bothered to really read and analyze either report.

Found: Saddam's WMDs (http://frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=13228)

But, these arguments have been had and rehad over the years. I am confident that history will finally reveal the truth.

There's a lot of smoke in that regard:


Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says (http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/)


And, what do you make of this allegation?

Russia "Cleaned Up" Saddam's WMD (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Russia_%22Cleaned_Up%22_Saddam%27s _WMD)

Do you remember hearing any mainstream media outlet discuss these tapes or their contents?

INTERVIEW: Iraqi WMD Mystery Solved (http://www.globalpolitician.com/21644-iraq-wmd)


Glazov: The recent Intelligence Summit released 12 hours of audiotapes of Saddam Hussein and his key officials discussing their WMD programs from the mid-1990s onwards. What do you make of the significance of these tapes? How do they square with your claim in your book that Russia helped move Iraqi WMD into Syria?

Mauro: The tapes are extremely significant in that they prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that as of the year 2000, Saddam Hussein had a secret plasma program to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons, or "special bombs" as he calls them. The Duelfer Report previously concluded that this type of enrichment program ended in the 1980s, but here we have Saddam and his top advisors discussing using a power plant in the area of Basra for the program. The scientists involved in the program are not known to the UN, leaving Western intelligence clueless.

On the tapes, you hear Saddam discussing the assistance of Russia and Brazil in dealing with the United Nations. He laughs off inspections, as his son-in-law who later defects, Hussein Kamil, reports how as late as 1995 their chemical and biological programs were being hidden from the world. They also discuss keeping the ingredients for these weapons separate, so that should they be found, they will be looked at as innocent dual-use items. They were not destroyed in 1991 as the Duelfer Report concludes. There are even indications on the tapes that Iraq may have had a role in the 2001 anthrax attacks.

[ChumpDumper]

They're still translating the documents!Seriously Yoni -- Saddam was in our sole custody for six months and our physical custody for years afterward. Nothing about WMD or Al Qaeda came out of his interrogation in that time.

Nothing.

[hope4dopes]

Maybe Yoni, but if it does it will be in a very long time. there is still so much from the 20th century we never got the straight skinny on.I don't know when or if we will see the whole story about iraq.

[Yonivore]

Maybe Yoni, but if it does it will be in a very long time. there is still so much from the 20th century we never got the straight skinny on.I don't know when or if we will see the whole story about iraq.
Well, everyone but the left has moved on so, it's probably best left to history anyway.

[ChumpDumper]

I believe the true story of Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction will eventually be told...despite the left's herculean efforts to deny it. There is already plenty of circumstantial evidence they existed and, I believe history will eventually tell the tale.

A few of the tale-tell signs:

U.S. transferred uranium from Iraq without U.N. authorization (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-07-07-iraq-uranium_x.htm)

Iraqi uranium transferred to Canada (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jddnLQlKUe7nPOQGa5EXiXgoPE4g)

What the fuck was Iraq doing with all that yellowcake uranium?

I know, you took the "no stockpiles" statement from the Kay Report and the "no evidence" statement from the Duelfer Report and ran with it. No one bothered to really read and analyze either report.

Found: Saddam's WMDs (http://frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=13228)

But, these arguments have been had and rehad over the years. I am confident that history will finally reveal the truth.

There's a lot of smoke in that regard:


Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says (http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/)


And, what do you make of this allegation?

Russia "Cleaned Up" Saddam's WMD (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Russia_%22Cleaned_Up%22_Saddam%27s _WMD)

Do you remember hearing any mainstream media outlet discuss these tapes or their contents?

INTERVIEW: Iraqi WMD Mystery Solved (http://www.globalpolitician.com/21644-iraq-wmd)Yeah Yoni, you sure moved on....

[hope4dopes]

Well, everyone but the left has moved on so, it's probably best left to history anyway.

Well I think the only people who believe Saddam didn't have MWDs in storage or on planning tables is either an ideolouge trying to fabricate myths to discredit Bush, or not quite bright, however We got Bush(and the many many democrats who voted to go to,and fund the war including Obama) here pressing butons everyday red, yellow, amber, telling us to be constantly weary of terrorists, and yet he leaves the entire southeren border of the U.S. open to any drunk mexican who can stumble across much less an Al Queda hit squad...all kinds of things didn't add up.

[Yonivore]

Well I think the only people who believe Saddam didn't have MWDs in storage or on planning tables is either an ideolouge trying to fabricate myths to discredit Bush, or not quite bright, however We got Bush(and the many many democrats who voted to go to,and fund the war including Obama) here pressing butons everyday red, yellow, amber, telling us to be constantly weary of terrorists, and yet he leaves the entire southeren border of the U.S. open to any drunk mexican who can stumble across much less an Al Queda hit squad...all kinds of things didn't add up.
That the border appears so vulnerable yet, no attack since 9/11, just makes me think there were NSA programs the New York Times wasn't able to compromise.

For all the bluster over the past 8 years, the Democrats have never gone on the official record -- voting record -- as having opposed any significant Bush administration policy related to the War on Terror. In fact, one of the greatest critics, Barack Obama, has taken the reigns of the Executive and continued the vast majority of President Bush's policies.

[Yonivore]

Yeah Yoni, you sure moved on....
Only gets a mention from me when some idiot on the left starts frothing at the mouth about WMD's.


This is why I no longer refer to the "right-wingers" on this board as conservatives. Some people call it neo-conservatism. They're just plain batshit crazy. Next thing we're hear is how Saddam's death was faked.
No, I think Saddam is quite dead.

[Yonivore]

If you knew ANYTHING, which you clearly don't. You'd know that Iraq once had a nuclear reactor. Did you think they'd ship the rest of the uranium off into space or what?
Another dual use wmd component, eh?

[Yonivore]

Like I said, you don't know ANYTHING. Yellowcake isn't exactly dual use, it depends on what you do with it. You either enrich the hell out of it, or you don't. They didn't.

Yeah, Iraq had 550 tone of high grade weapons uranium that everyone kept a secret. It's a conspiracy! Good one, you're definitely not an idiot.
Makes a nice dirty bomb.

[angrydude]

I thought it already came out that Hussein said he was pretending to have them to scare Iran.

[hope4dopes]

That the border appears so vulnerable yet, no attack since 9/11, just makes me think there were NSA programs the New York Times wasn't able to compromise.

For all the bluster over the past 8 years, the Democrats have never gone on the official record -- voting record -- as having opposed any significant Bush administration policy related to the War on Terror. In fact, one of the greatest critics, Barack Obama, has taken the reigns of the Executive and continued the vast majority of President Bush's policies.

I don't trust any politician including Bush he was a little too chummy with international interests not american. There were too many things his regime betrayed the people about too make me totally trust their judgment about Iraq.