NISD/NEISD Parents: Keep your kids home on Tuesday!

[Nbadan]

It's a abomination that a vocal minority that isn't even a majority within the city limits of San Antonio can dictate what kids can and can't watch at school based entirely on fear and paranoia. I propose that parents who really care about free speech and aren't being brain-washed by hours of wing-nut radio keep their kids home on Tuesday from any Texas district that has made the choice to 'play it safe' instead of doing the right thing and airing the President's speech.

Hit em in the pocketbook and write your local school board president and let him know that you are extremely disappointed with their decision to play along with race and ideological based fear that can not be defended with any sense of logic.

[clambake]

you're kidding right? this is the heart of ni#@er hate country.

[Nbadan]

Maybe TX, but San Antonio City Limits is as blue as Austin

[clambake]

not so blue when they're being screamed at threatened by people with four teeth.

[Nbadan]

Now, I'm not proposing parents at other districts do the same, especially poor districts...but we can't let these fanatics dictate school policy just because they have the wing-nut TV/radio echo-chamber on their side...

[clambake]

you're talking about the people who have been programmed to hate intelligence.

good luck.

[Nbadan]

Nah, This'll be great...you know, most people are just too busy chasing a buck to follow politics....so they listen to news on the way home from what were once pretty impartial news radio sources....what do we have now? OAI.....TSA.....Faux News..... there isn't a liberal or even moderate radio news station in San Antonio....in a town that is largely liberal..

[clambake]

Nah, This'll be great...you know, most people are just too busy chasing a buck to follow politics....so they listen to news on the way home from what were once pretty impartial news radio sources....what do we have now? OAI.....TSA.....Faux News..... there isn't a liberal or even moderate radio news station in San Antonio....in a town that is largely liberal..

hmmm, i didn't know that. i don't know how you guys can stand it there.

[Nbadan]

..at the very least there should be viewing rooms....I mean, what about the kids that want to be indoctrinated?

[clambake]

exactly.

[Nbadan]

hmmm, i didn't know that. i don't know how you guys can stand it there.

It's not easy.....you could slap the label 'Conservative' on a pig and get him elected to State office...

[SnakeBoy]

The only response I can give to your OP is

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[hope4dopes]

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. You two are having a major meltdown.Chillax

[Nbadan]

Why do you hate free speech?

[DarrinS]

:whine

[hope4dopes]

Why do you hate free speech?

No, no please continue, I just thought you might want to get a glass of ice water or maybe some antidepressants.

[SpurNation]

It's all fine and good until somebody gets hurt.

[spursncowboys]

:toast
BHO originally wanted the kids to write a letter to themselves about how they can help obama. Wassupwitat. Just because we do not agree with him indoctrinating children doesn't make us racist. Now if we tell our children to vote for someone, who has no credentials and never held a real job, because of their skin color then we would be racist.

[ChumpDumper]

Dear myself,

I can help Obama attain his goal of keeping me in school by staying in school.

Sincerely,

Myself

PS -- I'm now a socialist!

[nuclearfm]

NISD/NEISD are generally bad school districts that involve way too much politics in their administration rather than furthering the success of their students. People want to believe they are some elite authority on child education in San Antonio. It's simply low expectations. They're curriculum is nothing special, you're more likely to see better students produced from SAISD on the high end because their students actually have to work hard due to not being hand fed everything. If you want to see how a decent school district operates with a higher than average tax base, look no further than Cy-Fair in the Houston suburbs. They have exemplary schools left and right and they don't brag about it in board meetings. It's the standard and the minimum we should all expect.

[spursncowboys]

NISD/NEISD are generally bad school districts that involve way too much politics in their administration rather than furthering the success of their students. People want to believe they are some elite authority on child education in San Antonio. It's simply low expectations. They're curriculum is nothing special, you're more likely to see better students produced from SAISD on the high end because their students actually have to work hard due to not being hand fed everything. If you want to see how a decent school district operates with a higher than average tax base, look no further than Cy-Fair in the Houston suburbs. They have exemplary schools left and right and they don't brag about it in board meetings. It's the standard and the minimum we should all expect.
NEISD is one of the best in the nation, definitely Tejas. :wow:rolleyes Typical southside hating going on. NEISD have some of the best regular schools. they had the most productive magnet schools. Also their zero tolerance in the 90's kept the schools very safe.

[nuclearfm]

NEISD is one of the best in the nation, definitely Tejas. :wow:rolleyes Typical southside hating going on. NEISD have some of the best regular schools. they had the most productive magnet schools. Also their zero tolerance in the 90's kept the schools very safe.

I'm not from the Southside and not talking about safety nor churning out decent graduates. NEISD does that just fine. I'm talking about churning out the thinkers and entrepreneurs in this country. I've taught many graduates from NEISD and have never been impressed by their creativity, for 99% it's always been about the $$ and just getting above average life. I did my graduate school with Churchill and Madison graduates, both of them failed their PhD qualifiers while those from all over the country generally outperformed them. I've also met graduates from the SAISD that graduated from IVY league schools that already developed several patents. One of them even worked on the spaceship one project. Maybe they're out there, but I see more from the Austin Westlake and Houston area making names for themselves than NEISD grads and I'm teaching at a Texas university.

[spursncowboys]

I'm not from the Southside and not talking about safety nor churning out decent graduates. NEISD does that just fine. I'm talking about churning out the thinkers and entrepreneurs in this country. I've taught many graduates from NEISD and have never been impressed by their creativity, for 99% it's always been about the $$ and just getting above average life. I did my graduate school with Churchill and Madison graduates, both of them failed their PhD qualifiers while those from all over the country generally outperformed them. I've also met graduates from the SAISD that graduated from IVY league schools that already developed several patents. One of them even worked on the spaceship one project. Maybe they're out there, but I see more from the Austin Westlake and Houston area making names for themselves than NEISD grads and I'm teaching at a Texas university.
I am from Madison and sadly I kind of agree. Some one once characterized SA as "comunity college elitist". Maybe just in that field you are in they underperform. Business and Engineering they might be doing better. Madison is kind of a small town out there, but Churchill is supposed to be SA's poster child. I blame the liberals!!

[Spurminator]

I propose that parents quit letting their overzealous partisan allegiances get in the way of their children's education.

[nuclearfm]

I am from Madison and sadly I kind of agree. Some one once characterized SA as "comunity college elitist". Maybe just in that field you are in they underperform. Business and Engineering they might be doing better. Madison is kind of a small town out there, but Churchill is supposed to be SA's poster child. I blame the liberals!!

My field is engineering. How can you blame the "liberals" after what the district just did. There are hardly any "liberals" in TX with influential positions. The ones that seemingly are just end up being blue dog variety democrats.

[BadMoodBob]

NISD/NEISD are generally bad school districts that involve way too much politics in their administration rather than furthering the success of their students. People want to believe they are some elite authority on child education in San Antonio. It's simply low expectations. They're curriculum is nothing special, you're more likely to see better students produced from SAISD on the high end because their students actually have to work hard due to not being hand fed everything. If you want to see how a decent school district operates with a higher than average tax base, look no further than Cy-Fair in the Houston suburbs. They have exemplary schools left and right and they don't brag about it in board meetings. It's the standard and the minimum we should all expect.

I feel very grateful to have gone through NISD. I had great teachers in a great atmosphere. Once I hit high school, I did not even have to think about teachers having to dick around with piece of shit gangbangers instead of actually teaching.

My mother taught in other San Antonio Districts for the last 30 years.

NISD/NEISD > _______


On second thought, it would have been nice going to a shittier school where 80 gpa gets you top 10% :lmao
95 gpa didn't even crack top 10% at my high school.

[jack sommerset]

They are doing this learning lesson on Thursday now at my kids school.

[SpurNation]

I don't get it. Being a responsible parent has no value to some if it means that you don't buy in to a political message.

I get it's the president giving the message. I get if it's in the context of his prelisted speech to be made it's a good thing.

But to expect my child to blindly follow goes against anything I am trying to teach. I teach being open. I teach being resourceful and having a mind of your own. I teach to evaluate and make your own decisions based on those evaluations.

It sems that other would have it that we as parents don't be cautious. Not paranoid...But cautious.

After the last presidencies...Nixon through Bush...I teach my children to discern/evaluate/decide based on what is important to them...not to an ordaned party. And definately not to trust any politician.

If this is wrong...then this isn't the America we have been raised to believe should exist. If it's nothing but about what political affiliation one should adhere...then it's not what I want my children to be privy to.

I still believe America is about ALL thoughts...ALL walks of life...ALL beliefs that hold true to that allows us the pursuit of happiness and freedom.

Again...if it means conformation to any political power or federal litigation...then we have lost the principles this country was founded on in the beginning.

Again...the president's upcoming speech is a good speech and I'm happy being privy to it before it is given.

[txallstar]

OMG, how dare he? how dare the president tell us to stay in school, oh the horror!!!!! my kid might watch the president and form is own opinion about politics omg, the world is ending....

[Cry Havoc]

I don't get it. Being a responsible parent has no value to some if it means that you don't buy in to a political message.

I get it's the president giving the message. I get if it's in the context of his prelisted speech to be made it's a good thing.

But to expect my child to blindly follow goes against anything I am trying to teach. I teach being open. I teach being resourceful and having a mind of your own. I teach to evaluate and make your own decisions based on those evaluations.

It sems that other would have it that we as parents don't be cautious. Not paranoid...But cautious.

After the last presidencies...Nixon through Bush...I teach my children to discern/evaluate/decide based on what is important to them...not to an ordaned party. And definately not to trust any politician.

If this is wrong...then this isn't the America we have been raised to believe should exist. If it's nothing but about what political affiliation one should adhere...then it's not what I want my children to be privy to.

I still believe America is about ALL thoughts...ALL walks of life...ALL beliefs that hold true to that allows us the pursuit of happiness and freedom.

Again...if it means conformation to any political power or federal litigation...then we have lost the principles this country was founded on in the beginning.

Again...the president's upcoming speech is a good speech and I'm happy being privy to it before it is given.

You SHOULD teach your children to be cautious.

You should also let them hear and decide for themselves, don't you think? Parents who disallow their children to hear Obama are much more guilty of indoctrinating the youth with a biased view than a presidential address could ever hope to be.

[Capt Bringdown]

When I was a kid we watched the moon landings.
Now, an address delivered by our first African-American President to our schoolchildren is equally if not more so historical and important.

School districts, parents, & teachers should collectively tell the right wing to fuck off on this issue.

[nuclearfm]

I feel very grateful to have gone through NISD. I had great teachers in a great atmosphere. Once I hit high school, I did not even have to think about teachers having to dick around with piece of shit gangbangers instead of actually teaching.

My mother taught in other San Antonio Districts for the last 30 years.

NISD/NEISD > _______


On second thought, it would have been nice going to a shittier school where 80 gpa gets you top 10% :lmao
95 gpa didn't even crack top 10% at my high school.

NISD/NEISD > Schools for the challenged. :lol

You honestly believe NISD/NEISD schools are that good? It's like bragging about winning the special Olympics. You don't have gangbangers largely, but you have a lot of students who pretend to be. Not to mention you have an administration that tends to limit the input of their students, this is a prime example.

It's really no different than the situation at Sam Houston, people proud of their low standards. As long as they think their better than something, they'll rally behind it.

Once you get beyond the gangbangers and other passionate underachievers you have some serious competition at other schools in the city. Many sources recognize this

Edison was one of four Bexar county high school rated Best in America by USNews in 2008

Brackenridge was “…in top 4% of America ’s high schools…” (Newsweek, June 2, 2003 and Named TOP 500 HIGH SCHOOLS in the NATION by NEWSWEEK 2005-2006.

It's pretty significant that a small groups of graduates can make these largely "gangbanger" schools get such high rankings. I'd take these graduates over any NEISD/NISD spoon fed brat.

I would like to see what an 80 GPA gets you there.

[elbamba]

Now, an address delivered by our first African-American President to our schoolchildren is equally if not more so historical and important.


Why raise race as an issue? Should it not be just as important that he is the president of the U.S.A

[Shastafarian]

Why raise race as an issue?

Because it's significant.

[nuclearfm]

Why raise race as an issue? Should it not be just as important that he is the president of the U.S.A

It should be ideally. Most people know better though, especially after getting out of San Antonio and into the deep south.

[elbamba]

You SHOULD teach your children to be cautious.

You should also let them hear and decide for themselves, don't you think? Parents who disallow their children to hear Obama are much more guilty of indoctrinating the youth with a biased view than a presidential address could ever hope to be.

I think the difference is that parents have the responsibility to teach their children. President Obama has two children that go to school. I am sure that he and his wife take an interest in what the schools teach them. I was always very active in my kids education from grade school to college.

I agree that parents need to be cautious when sheltering their children in cases like this. But I think you would see a similar cry if this were Bush asking kids to stay in school and then asking what they can do to support the president and his war in Iraq.

I will also say that the presure that parents put on this administration caused the president to issue his statement prior to making it so that parents could see what their kids are going to hear. I am not so sure those remarks would be the same if it wasn't met with the same hostility.

I always think it is better for our elected officials to be worried about we the people. It helps to keep them in check. And lets face it, our politicians have not been in check for about 50 years.

[elbamba]

Because it's significant.

Its really only significant if you make it so. I am a minority, but I prefer to be thought of as an American not an Hispanic-American. I am not so naive as to doubt that racism is not present in our society today. But a black president was elected to be president of the USA. Perhaps race doesn't matter as much to most people as it seems to matter to you.

[elbamba]

It should be ideally. Most people know better though, especially after getting out of San Antonio and into the deep south.

You will find racism in New York, California and Washington. You will find reverse-racism throughout the USA as well. I was called "boy" about a year ago playing basketball at the gym by a black man. It was used in a derogative manner. But I would not say that it is race that is causing the outrage. Race is just an easy answer for a more complicated problem.

[Shastafarian]

I agree that parents need to be cautious when sheltering their children in cases like this. But I think you would see a similar cry if this were Bush asking kids to stay in school and then asking what they can do to support the president and his war in Iraq. Yeah because that's POLICY. Did Obama say anything like this in his indoctrination speech?


I will also say that the presure that parents put on this administration caused the president to issue his statement prior to making it so that parents could see what their kids are going to hear. I am not so sure those remarks would be the same if it wasn't met with the same hostility. You're speculating. You really think he was gonna talk about healthcare and being a big ole socialist?




Its really only significant if you make it so.False. It is significant.

I am a minority, but I prefer to be thought of as an American not an Hispanic-American. I am not so naive as to doubt that racism is not present in our society today. But a black president was elected to be president of the USA. Perhaps race doesn't matter as much to most people as it seems to matter to you.You think there wouldn't be a similar uproar if Hillary Clinton were giving the address? Why? Oh because she's a woman.

[nuclearfm]

You will find racism in New York, California and Washington. You will find reverse-racism throughout the USA as well. I was called "boy" about a year ago playing basketball at the gym by a black man. It was used in a derogative manner. But I would not say that it is race that is causing the outrage. Race is just an easy answer for a more complicated problem.

I agree, but most people you find there like that won't be in a position of power. Most of the racists I've experienced up north have been total failures at life, so they end up blaming others. In the south, that same person owns a tractor dealership and employs 20 people.

[elbamba]

Yeah because that's POLICY. Did Obama say anything like this in his indoctrination speech?

You're speculating. You really think he was gonna talk about healthcare and being a big ole socialist?



False. It is significant.
You think there wouldn't be a similar uproar if Hillary Clinton were giving the address? Why? Oh because she's a woman.

It is purely speculation. Which is what we have to do with our politicians because they hide behind closed doors and administrative privilege. Clinton did it, Bush 1 and 2 did it and Obama is not doing it. We have no choice but to speculate.

I think that but for the uproar the message would have been different. We already know that there was material that has been withdrawn that was originally going to go out, it makes sense to me that the speech was changed and released for all to see to cover their butts. Not to uncommon.

Again, race can be important to you if you want to make it an issue, but it isn't going to work anymore. The fact that a black man can get elected president shows that enough white people were willing to support a black man. Unless of course all of his votes came from the 13% black population that makes up our country.

[elbamba]

I agree, but most people you find there like that won't be in a position of power. Most of the racists I've experienced up north have been total failures at life, so they end up blaming others. In the south, that same person owns a tractor dealership and employs 20 people.

fair point. I do not live in the deep south so I cannot speak from experience. I do run a business in Kansas and we do not take race into consideration when we hire.

[Shastafarian]

I think that but for the uproar the message would have been different. We already know that there was material that has been withdrawn that was originally going to go out, it makes sense to me that the speech was changed and released for all to see to cover their butts. Not to uncommon.I could be wrong but the material that wasn't put out was asking kids what they thought they could do to help the president. I don't see how that = THEY CHANGED THE TEXT!!! Burn them witches! It's quite a leap in logic.


Again, race can be important to you if you want to make it an issue, but it isn't going to work anymore. You're not understanding. It isn't important to "me". It is historically significant.

[hater]

so how many kids have sold their soul to Lord Obama so far?

[rjv]

It is purely speculation. Which is what we have to do with our politicians because they hide behind closed doors and administrative privilege. Clinton did it, Bush 1 and 2 did it and Obama is not doing it. We have no choice but to speculate.

I think that but for the uproar the message would have been different. We already know that there was material that has been withdrawn that was originally going to go out, it makes sense to me that the speech was changed and released for all to see to cover their butts. Not to uncommon.

Again, race can be important to you if you want to make it an issue, but it isn't going to work anymore. The fact that a black man can get elected president shows that enough white people were willing to support a black man. Unless of course all of his votes came from the 13% black population that makes up our country.

obama got 43% of the white vote, 66 % of the hispanic vote, 63% of the asian vote, 78% of the jewish vote and 95% of the black vote and 56% of females for obama as well.

41 % of white males voted for obama (i would love to see this broken down in age and region as well)

[to21]

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[elbamba]

obama got 43% of the white vote, 66 % of the hispanic vote, 63% of the asian vote, 78% of the jewish vote and 95% of the black vote and 56% of females for obama as well.

41 % of white males voted for obama (i would love to see this broken down in age and region as well)

To me 43% is a lot of the vote. Certainly you would not argue that 57% of the white vote that did not vote for Obama failed to vote for him simply because of his race?

[rjv]

NISD/NEISD > Schools for the challenged. :lol

You honestly believe NISD/NEISD schools are that good? It's like bragging about winning the special Olympics. You don't have gangbangers largely, but you have a lot of students who pretend to be. Not to mention you have an administration that tends to limit the input of their students, this is a prime example.

It's really no different than the situation at Sam Houston, people proud of their low standards. As long as they think their better than something, they'll rally behind it.

Once you get beyond the gangbangers and other passionate underachievers you have some serious competition at other schools in the city. Many sources recognize this

Edison was one of four Bexar county high school rated Best in America by USNews in 2008

Brackenridge was “…in top 4% of America ’s high schools…” (Newsweek, June 2, 2003 and Named TOP 500 HIGH SCHOOLS in the NATION by NEWSWEEK 2005-2006.

It's pretty significant that a small groups of graduates can make these largely "gangbanger" schools get such high rankings. I'd take these graduates over any NEISD/NISD spoon fed brat.

I would like to see what an 80 GPA gets you there.


somewhere in the attempt to defend the inner city you became guilty of the hubris so often associated with the suburban mentality.

[nuclearfm]

somewhere in the attempt to defend the inner city you became guilty of the hubris so often associated with the suburban mentality.

I'm not defending the inner city. I'm saying how the comparisons are moot and that overall education is sub-par in the area.

[Nbadan]

somewhere in the attempt to defend the inner city you became guilty of the hubris so often associated with the suburban mentality.

Both districts do a tremendous job despite continued growth...heck, a lot of people pull their kids from private schools to put them into some NEISD schools and people moving from other states shop around for homes in certain schools within both districts..

[Shastafarian]

To me 43% is a lot of the vote. Certainly you would not argue that 57% of the white vote that did not vote for Obama failed to vote for him simply because of his race?

No one is arguing that.

[fyatuk]

I feel very grateful to have gone through NISD. I had great teachers in a great atmosphere. Once I hit high school, I did not even have to think about teachers having to dick around with piece of shit gangbangers instead of actually teaching.

Don't know about NISD, but I went through NEISD and I have to say I've been SORELY disappointed. The teachers were mostly lackluster, and I almost always knew more about the curriculum than they did. I slept through classes and still got mostly A's. I always felt my official education to be rather pathetic.

My self-studies far outpaced and outclassed the structured, rudimentary busy work passed off as education at my middle and high schools, and they were often considered good schools during the years I was there. Absolutely pathetic, if you ask me.

That's not to say what I received wasn't one of the best educations available in SA at the time, but that I feel US/Texas/San Antonio/NEISD standards of the time were truly horrendous. The poor education made me want to be a teacher so that I could make sure the half-assed education didn't continue (until I ran out of money for college).

[fyatuk]

obama got 43% of the white vote, 66 % of the hispanic vote, 63% of the asian vote, 78% of the jewish vote and 95% of the black vote and 56% of females for obama as well.

41 % of white males voted for obama (i would love to see this broken down in age and region as well)

The bolded part is the real racism in the last election. There's no way that vote wasn't race motivated and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

[ChumpDumper]

Blacks are racists!

They're oppressing me!

[nuclearfm]

The bolded part is the real racism in the last election. There's no way that vote wasn't race motivated and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.


Good point, you self centered piece of shit. Of ALL THINGS, your pointing out the black vote demographic? despite the fact that they vote 90% Democrat anyway?

Go ahead, play the victim card. Complain about a demographic that barely got full voting rights a generation ago and it's first presidential candidate.

[Nbadan]

..so that I could make sure the half-assed education didn't continue (until I ran out of money for college)....

:lol