:lol @ Glenn Beck Going Alex Jones

[Nbadan]

Glenn Beck Mainstreams Fringe Conspiracy Theories
August 28, 2009 12:00 am ET by Oliver Willis


We're used to Glenn Beck being "out there", but today's show was special. Beck's hour (the second day in a row in which he didn't say a thing about the passing of Sen. Kennedy) was all about the supposed secret army being built by President Obama. This secret army idea, not supported by any facts, though possibly written in invisible ink that Beck can interpret, is a pet cause of fringe radio host Alex Jones.

Jones is something of a leader in the underground 9/11 "truth" movement. They believe that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that all the governments of the world are controlled by a cabal of the uber-rich who want to kill 2/3 of the world's population. Really.

Jones has repeatedly alluded to the existence of a secret army being built by Obama, a similar charge to the one leveled by Beck on today's show. The difference of course is that Jones mostly transmits over the internet and shortwave radio. Beck has a show on a cable "news" network. Beck's previous flirtation with the idea that FEMA was building detention camps is also an article of faith with Jones and his followers.

The focus of the Jones/Beck secret army conspiracy theory is the AmeriCorps program, which was created during President Clinton's presidency. AmeriCorps describes itself like this:

Each year, AmeriCorps offers 75,000 opportunities for adults of all ages and backgrounds to serve through a network of partnerships with local and national nonprofit groups. Whether your service makes a community safer, gives a child a second chance, or helps protect the environment, you'll be getting things done through AmeriCorps!

In 2004, President George W. Bush met with AmeriCorps volunteers for Earth Day. The AmeriCorps pledge is as follows:


I will get things done for America -
to make our people safer,
smarter, and healthier.

I will bring Americans together
to strengthen our communities.

Faced with apathy,
I will take action.

Faced with conflict,
I will seek common ground.

Faced with adversity,
I will persevere.

I will carry this commitment
with me this year and beyond.

I am an AmeriCorps member,
and I will get things done.

Well, that should convince everyone. Those are clearly the words of a secret army being run by the President.

Recently Alex Jones has taken to posting bizarre YouTube videos where he attacks President Obama's policies while dressed up as the Joker. Considering the regular antics on Beck, it's probably only a matter of time before cable news imitates the lunatic fringe. Again.


Media Matters (http://mediamatters.org/blog/200908280001)

[Winehole23]

Old news.

[Nbadan]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2009/08/beck_01.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

Man, you really are butthurt about the Van Jones thing.

[Winehole23]

There is obvious irony in Glenn Beck calling someone else a crackpot, and I carry no brief for Van Jones or Obama.

Pots jeering at kettles.

[Nbadan]

:lol AT Glenn Beck bringing down Van Jones.....


...it was big oil.

[Winehole23]

Oh? Do tell. How did they do it?

[Nbadan]

Phil Kerpen from "Americans for Prosperity" started it all. He's boasting about it on Faux's website right now...


How Van Jones Happened and What We Need to Do Next

Now that Jones has resigned, we need to follow through with two critical policy victories. First, stop cap-and-trade, which could send these groups trillions, and second repeal the unspent portion of the stimulus bill, which stands to give them billions.

The Van Jones affair could be an important turning point in the Obama administration if we use it as a window to understand the structure of the left and to stop the huge power-grab now taking place in the name of green jobs. It's also one of the most significant things I've ever had the honor of being involved in. Here's how, from my perspective, it happened and what it means.

I was an unlikely Van Jones expert. It started July 9, when "FOX & Friends" asked me if I'd come on the show the morning of July 10 to explain what "green jobs" are. It meant an early morning the next day, but I was glad to do it, because exposing the green jobs scam is critical to fight cap-and-trade, my top legislative priority for the year. The producer asked me if I knew anything about green jobs "czar" Van Jones. I didn't but said I would find out.

I e-mailed a friend who follows the green groups and he said he thought Jones was socialist. -- I doubt he had any idea how deep it went. A couple Web searches later, I couldn't believe what I found in an article from the alternative San Francisco newspaper the East Bay Express. The man was a self-professed communist, with ties to ACORN and a radical Maoist group called STORM. His real name was Anthony, with "Van" made up in college because he thought everyone cool has a one-syllable name.

There was so much material there, but what really stood out is what I used the next day on F&F: the "green jobs" concept was merely a new face on the old ideology of central economic planning and control, an alternative and a threat to free market capitalism.

As soon as I got back to the office, I e-mailed the East Bay Express article to one of Glenn Beck's producer, saying: "Please share with Glenn this article about green jobs czar Van Jones, a self-described communist who was radicalized in jail. Confirms "watermelon" hypothesis."

FAUX News (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/06/phil-kerpen-van-jones-resign)

So, then go find out where the money comes from for "Americans for Progress"...


The Big Money behind Americans for Prosperity
Kevin Grandia
26 February 09

An organization called "Americans for Prosperity" has been working overtime to fight government action on climate change and greenhouse gas reduction strategies. You might remember their State-by-State grassroots "Hot Air Tour".

The Hot Air tour's tagline was "Exposing the Ballooning Costs of Global Warming Hysteria." More recently the AFP ran a $140,000 TV ad campaign in Viriginia promising to "expose the hypocrisy and outrageous economic costs of so-called global warming regulations, taxes, and green energy plans."

So who's behind the AFP? And why are they so bent on seeing further delay in government action on an issue that the top scientists at the nation's best institutes are saying needs to be dealt with now?

Our research team at DeSmog has put together a briefing note on the AFP, their history and most importantly who funds them

AFP, and its former incarnation the Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation, are the third largest recipient of funding from the Koch Family of Foundations, which is run by the ultra-conservative oil baron Charles G. Koch. The Koch Family of Foundations has been a major funding source for many of the think tanks that are in the business of delaying action on climate change issues.

Link (http://www.desmogblog.com/big-money-behind-americans-prosperity)

[Winehole23]

Private money can promote whatever it wants. What's the big deal here?

[SnakeBoy]

Dan has lost it. He's sounds just like Glen Beck now. Conspiracies everywhere!

[Nbadan]

Private money can promote whatever it wants. What's the big deal here?

It's an unfortunate circumstance until we figure out how to reduce the influence peddling by lobbyist in Washington, besides, Van Jones left himself open for criticism.....make of it what you will, I'm just tying everything together for our readers..

[George Gervin's Afro]

Glen Beck has found a home. Fox News owns the right wing crackpot base so he has the kool aid drinkers at his disposal.

[Yonivore]

Were the allegations about Van Jones true?

[Yonivore]

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Leaves himself open to misunderstanding, if you ask me.

[BadMoodBob]

He also mixes in a little Michael Savage.


Beck just put a pelt on his wall and liberal is scared. Who's next. These dumb rednecks you all despise may just be that. However, they serve a purpose. Chess boards need pawns.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Glen Beck has found a home. Fox News owns the right wing crackpot base so he has the kool aid drinkers at his disposal.

He's also crushing CNN and MSNBC in the ratings. I'm sure he, and Fox News, are greatly hurt that you are not a fan.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

BTW, lol at Dan going wingnut over this. This guy had no business being anywhere near the WH, it just goes to show you the types of folks the Messiah and his wife run with (as if there was ever a doubt).

[George Gervin's Afro]

He's also crushing CNN and MSNBC in the ratings. I'm sure he, and Fox News, are greatly hurt that you are not a fan.

Fox News has a market correct? The right wing of this country has it's own news station. So there is one right wing news station and 20 + others..not hard to figure out but I think you'll play stupid and deny there's a market for right wing news..

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2009/08/beck_01.jpg
.............................all the way to the bank.

[George Gervin's Afro]

.............................all the way to the bank.

easy money.

[Yonivore]

easy money.
Olbermann is having trouble making it.

[Spurminator]

You never go broke catering to the lowest common denominator.

[ChumpDumper]

Olbermann is having trouble making it.Making money?

No, He's having quite an easy time making money.

[BadMoodBob]

That's why he is so generous in donating air time to his Fox News opponents...every show...every night...regardless of more pressing current events...

[Cleveland Steamer]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2009/08/beck_01.jpg

for the love of Pete!

[ChumpDumper]

That's why he is so generous in donating air time to his Fox News opponents...every show...every night...regardless of more pressing current events...:lol You are conveniently forgetting Billo's tirades against GE and Beck's "investigative reporting" on the secret communist propaganda hidden in the murals at Rockefeller Center.

If MSNBC doesn't matter at all, the hell are they and you whining about it all the time?

[rjv]

easy money.

unfortunately, there are always people who need others to think for them. and off of these simpletons, the likes of beck cash in.

[TeyshaBlue]

It's an unfortunate circumstance until we figure out how to reduce the influence peddling by lobbyist in Washington, besides, Van Jones left himself open for criticism.....make of it what you will, I'm just tying everything together for our readers..

Glenn Beck is a self-limiting problem. He'll eventually vanish in a puff of logic.

The day you actually tie something together correctly, will be the day Glenn Beck rules as the Supreme Overlord.:lol

[DarrinS]

Glenn Beck Mainstreams Fringe Conspiracy Theories





Does anyone in this thread realize that it was started by a 911 twoofer?

[Winehole23]

It doesn't matter. The comparison to Alex Jones is apt regardless of who poses it. You think all arguments are answered by impugning the speaker, but in a bare logical sense, this is false 100% of the time.

[DarrinS]

It doesn't matter. The comparison to Alex Jones is apt regardless of who poses it. You think all arguments are answered by impugning the speaker, but in a bare logical sense, this is false 100% of the time.


Just thought it was ironic that a twoofer is talking negatively about a conspiracy.


That said, doesn't anyone realize why Beck went after Van Jones?

[Winehole23]

The narcissism of small differences?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Making money?

No, He's having quite an easy time making money.

Thanks to the government, yes

[DarrinS]

The narcissism of small differences?

Wrong answer. Van Jones' group, Color of Change (nice), was calling for an advertising boycott against Beck because of Beck's calling "the one" a racist. I think this was all about revenge. But, all the dirt on Jones is true.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Olbermann is having trouble making it.

Yeah. He's busy calling people the worst people in the world(on every freakin show) instead of actually investigating topics the mainstream media simply does not cover. If he were to do that and it's genuine than maybe I'd take him serious. A wee bit. Has anyone in the media during the last 10 years been able to cause someone to step down that's so close to the president? Without a fight, no less…

[Winehole23]

Wrong answer. Matter of opinion, I'd say. There are more similarities b/w Glenn Beck and Alex Jones than there are differences. FEMA camps, the persecution of Christians, continual, paranoid allegations of fascism and the incipience of a police state. Irrational passion, monomaniacal self-promotion. Birds of a feather IMO.


Van Jones' group, Color of Change (nice), was calling for an advertising boycott against Beck because of Beck's calling "the one" a racist. I think this was all about revenge. But, all the dirt on Jones is true.Glenn Beck has lost a number of advertisers over it, so there's something to it. Van Jones hurt Glenn Beck where he lives, or at least may have fostered that impression.

[SnakeBoy]

That said, doesn't anyone realize why Beck went after Van Jones?

The left went after Beck's sponsors. Rupert felt the need to send the message "Don't fuck with my wallet".

[boutons_deux]

BigOil, BigCoal hates green anything. They paid their astroturf mobs (aka losers) and fabricated a mob lynching to intimidate anybody else who might try to push a green agenda for Magik Negro.

And the petition demanding transparency of the Repug Exec from 1/20 to 9/11 was hitting awfully close the truth-y tender spot of why the Repugs DID NOTHING about terrorism, hoping for an attack as a pretext to invade Iraq for oil, as they promised to do (but during the 2000 campaign) in the 1990s.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Matter of opinion, I'd say. There are more similarities b/w Glenn Beck and Alex Jones than there are differences. FEMA camps, the persecution of Christians, continual, paranoid allegations of fascism and the incipience of a police state. Irrational passion, monomaniacal self-promotion. Birds of a feather IMO.

Glenn Beck has lost a number of advertisers over it, so there's something to it. Van Jones hurt Glenn Beck where he lives, or at least may have fostered that impression.


beck has repeatedly said that he never stated there were ever any FEMA concentration camps. in fact he proved that the video of the supposed FEMA claim was a fake and was stupid. twice. jones is a little more militant than beck in my opinion.

[Winehole23]

A little bit, yes.

[Winehole23]

But he reported the FEMA camp thing as a plausibilty backing up his police state assumptions before he walked it back.

[Winehole23]

His subsequent denials are not persuasive to me. His job is to stoke fear. That's what he was doing, even if he didn't explicitly lend his own credibility to the reports. At first, he wasn't giving the issue oxygen in order to debunk it. He was letting it breathe.

[DarrinS]

BigOil, BigCoal hates green anything. They paid their astroturf mobs (aka losers) and fabricated a mob lynching to intimidate anybody else who might try to push a green agenda for Magik Negro.

And the petition demanding transparency of the Repug Exec from 1/20 to 9/11 was hitting awfully close the truth-y tender spot of why the Repugs DID NOTHING about terrorism, hoping for an attack as a pretext to invade Iraq for oil, as they promised to do (but during the 2000 campaign) in the 1990s.

BigNose hates BigBoogers

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Glenn Beck has lost a number of advertisers over it, so there's something to it. Van Jones hurt Glenn Beck where he lives, or at least may have fostered that impression.

An advertising boycott against Fox News host Glenn Beck has succeeded in keeping most major sponsors from running commercials on his show even as the controversial commentator's viewership has grown.
Beck attracted 2.81 million viewers Monday, his third-largest audience since his show launched on Fox News in January, according to Nielsen Media Research data provided by the network. On Tuesday, nearly 2.7 million viewers tuned in, his fifth-largest viewership to date. And the conservative host got a plug from former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who urged people to watch his program in a post on her Facebook page.
“FOX News' Glenn Beck is doing an extraordinary job this week walking America behind the scenes of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and outlining who is actually running the White House,” she wrote Wednesday to her 800,000-plus supporters (http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?v=app_2347471856&viewas=623153292&ref=search).
Color of Change (http://colorofchange.org/), an African American political advocacy group, organized the boycott last month to protest Beck’s comment that he believes President Obama is a racist (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/fnc_responds_to_glenn_beck_calling_pres_obama_a_ra cist_122881.asp). The group succeeded in securing commitments from at least 36 companies that have pledged not to advertise on his show, including Wal-Mart and Sprint. Some, such as AT&T and Procter & Gamble, were not Beck advertisers to begin with, but their ads had mistakenly appeared on the program. Representatives from those companies reiterated their request not to have spots during his show. Later today, Color of Change plans to announce six more companies that also are declining to be Beck advertisers.
As a result, few major businesses remain as sponsors of Beck’s eponymous 2 p.m. PDT program. On Wednesday, the only big companies with a presence during his show were Bank of America and the Wall Street Journal, whose parent company News Corp. also owns Fox News. The rest of the commercials included spots for gold seller Rosland Capital; Ashley Furniture Home Store; Empire Carpet; Liberty Medical, a diabetes medical supplier; Johnson Law Group, an asbestos litigation firm; “Shadow Government,” a new book critical of Obama published by the National Republican Trust; and the anti-tax group TeaPartyExpress.org.
Fox News insists that the boycott has not affected its revenue, because advertisers have just moved their commercials to different time periods. And for his part, Beck appears invigorated by the challenge. “Even if the powers to be right now succeed in making me poor, drum me out … I will only be stronger for it,” he said on the air Wednesday. “And I will use American ingenuity and my ingenuity to pull myself up, and I will find another way to get this message out, on a platform that will be a thousand times more powerful. Because of my faith, I know how this story ends. The truth will set you free.”

[Winehole23]

The in-house analysis says Fox hasn't been hurt by it. What a surprise.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

beck has repeatedly said that he never stated there were ever any FEMA concentration camps.



But he reported the FEMA camp thing as a plausibilty backing up his police state assumptions before he walked it back.

you obviously can't read, but to each their own.

[Winehole23]

I saw the initial broadcast. It doesn't comport with the subsequent denials.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The in-house analysis says Fox hasn't been hurt by it. What a surprise.


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=3102&dateline=1240337729

[Winehole23]

I hope you'll forgive me for not accepting your version of the aftermath as authoritative. It's only part of the story.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I saw the initial broadcast. It doesn't comport with the subsequent denials.
so if someone accuses you of being a child molester are you just going to go along with it? just take it?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

geez. nevermind, chump jr.

[Winehole23]

so if someone accuses you of being a child molester are you just going to go along with it? just take it?You think Beck was maligned, I think he was playing cynically on his viewers fears of a tyrannical government.

That we differ doesn't make you right or me wrong.

[Winehole23]

It's a matter of interpretation, no more.

Do you think you can stop belittling people who hold different views, VLE?

My guess is that you can. You just don't want to.

C'est la guerre.

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks to the government, yesNo, thanks to himself -- unless you are thanking the Bush and Republican government for being so inept and boorish that it gave Olbermann an opportunity to grow his show's audience during the Bush years.

Why are you guys so envious of him?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

No, thanks to himself -- unless you are thanking the Bush and Republican government for being so inept and boorish that it gave Olbermann an opportunity to grow his show's audience during the Bush years.

Why are you guys so envious of him?


get a clue

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/06/29/GE-is-quiet-bailout-recipient/UPI-11291246282301/

[ChumpDumper]

get a clue

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/06/29/GE-is-quiet-bailout-recipient/UPI-11291246282301/So they haven't actually given any money to GE.

OK.

[mouse]

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[Yonivore]

Nevermind (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/08/olbermann-flip-flops-asks-kossacks-not-dig-dirt-beck)

I wonder if it has anything to do with...


Glenn Beck Plugs This Week's Show: "You Will See Something Exposed & People Will Go To Jail" (Video) (http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/glenn-beck-talks-about-this-weeks-show.html)

It appears to be put up or shut up time for Glenn Beck.

:corn:

[ChumpDumper]

I doubt one has anything to do with the other.

Why speculate?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

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Glenn Beck Plugs This Week's Show: "You Will See Something Exposed & People Will Go To Jail" (Video) (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/08/olbermann-flip-flops-asks-kossacks-not-dig-dirt-beck)

It appears to be put up or shut up time for Glenn Beck.

:corn:

i'm intrigued.

:corn:indeed

[Viva Las Espuelas]

well he had a good first at bat.

more :corn: please