Promises the President cannot realistically keep

[spursncowboys]

I read somewhere that running for president, BHO made something like 200 promises. I wonder how many of them are unattainable to reach already, in his first year. Like
1. Obama's stimulus bill will create or save 3.5 million jobs by 2011. Including 600000 jobs by the end of this summer.

[Shastafarian]

BqiBwsjAa2s

Politicians make promises. Most of those promises are unrealistic. The public is stupid enough to believe them. Breaking promises isn't something unique to Obama.

[Winehole23]

Jobs *created or saved* probably can't be measured with reasonable accuracy anyway.

[Winehole23]

BqiBwsjAa2s

Politicians make promises. Most of those promises are unrealistic. The public is stupid enough to believe them. Breaking promises isn't something unique to Obama.You say all sorts of things to get elected. And if you win, you find yourself not infrequently pissing backwards on your own supporters.

[Winehole23]

That is part of the low ebb of 43's popularity. He pissed backward on the people who thought he was Moses. To say nothing of the people who for some reason assumed George W. Bush was actually conservative.

[jack sommerset]

BqiBwsjAa2s

Politicians make promises. Most of those promises are unrealistic. The public is stupid enough to believe them. Breaking promises isn't something unique to Obama.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Bush response to an Obama question. Never gets old.

[spursncowboys]

Can we focus on BHO. I realize he is a politician and they all do that. I just think Obama is the president now. He made promises. Alot of them were to buy votes. Bush had 9-11. Obama hasn't had that type of thing.
Why does every time someone brings up Obama, Bush has to be brought up? Why do people have to talk like there are teams.

[Shastafarian]

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Bush response to an Obama question. Never gets old.

If you had more than one brain cell you'd realize the video is just an example of what ALL presidents have done to get elected. But you were probably held out of school by a paranoid parent who was afraid the sitting president was gonna indoctrinate you.

[Shastafarian]

Can we focus on BHO. I realize he is a politician and they all do that. I just think Obama is the president now. He made promises. Alot of them were to buy votes. Bush had 9-11. Obama hasn't had that type of thing.
Why does every time someone brings up Obama, Bush has to be brought up? Why do people have to talk like there are teams.

Read the rest of my post instead of being fixated on the video I posted. Oh and Iraq had no role in 9/11.

[Winehole23]

Can we focus on BHO. I realize he is a politician and they all do that. I just think Obama is the president now. He made promises. Alot of them were to buy votes. Bush had 9-11. Obama hasn't had that type of thing.

Why does every time someone brings up Obama, Bush has to be brought up? Why do people have to talk like there are teams.Go ahead. Focus on him. Your count of promises he won't keep stands at one so far.

[spursncowboys]

I did read it and I was refering to you saying promise breaking was not unique of Obama. What is unique of BHO is he is the president now. Don't be so sensitive. It wasn't just aimed at you. I've noticed a few commies on spurstalk and jsut incase they were to join in.
Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9-11 technically. But the idea that he was a security threat to america ( he said in 1979 , and reaffirmed it in the 90's that any terrorist could train in iraq as long as they targeted israelis and americans. He also gave huge amounts of money to suicide bombers) I agreed in not nation building pre 9-11. Now I don't know. Kind of like all the isolationists in pre ww2. I believe there is some middle that keeps us safe.

[ChumpDumper]

What's unique is that people care about shit like this now that Obama is in office.

[Shastafarian]

I did read it and I was refering to you saying promise breaking was not unique of Obama. What is unique of BHO is he is the president now. Don't be so sensitive. It wasn't just aimed at you. I've noticed a few commies on spurstalk and jsut incase they were to join in.calling people commies will stoke the fires of discussion

Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9-11 technically.Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9-11 literally.

But the idea that he was a security threat to america ( he said in 1979 , and reaffirmed it in the 90's that any terrorist could train in iraq as long as they targeted israelis and americans. He also gave huge amounts of money to suicide bombers)Were there terrorists training in Iraq?

I agreed in not nation building pre 9-11. Now I don't know. Kind of like all the isolationists in pre ww2. I believe there is some middle that keeps us safe.So because of an attack that stemmed from people not approving of us being in foreign nations, let's solve that problem by invading foreign nations. Makes sense.

[jack sommerset]

calling people commies will stoke the fires of discussion
Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9-11 literally.
Were there terrorists training in Iraq?
So because of an attack that stemmed from people not approving of us being in foreign nations, let's solve that problem by invading foreign nations. Makes sense.

:lol Here we go. More Bush,9/11 and Iraq....No you did not bring Bush up by coincidence.

[Shastafarian]

:lol Here we go. More Bush,9/11 and Iraq....No you did not bring Bush up by coincidence.

You're right. It wasn't coincidence. See if you can figure out why on earth I would've chosen a video of Bush. Work your brain muscle.

[spursncowboys]

No they are self-proclaimed commies.
Mogadishu did not have anything to do with 9-11 technically, but really when clinton move the troops out because they got hit, it motivated OBL. OBL said he knew Al Qeda would prevail because US had not heart. That is what I mean by Iraq didn't technically, that we know of.
Do you think there were not terrorists training from 1979 to 2001 who helped, trained, or financed any of the terrorist groups at war with us b4 9-11? USS Cole? Embassy bombings? WTC ?
Don't belittle my opinion because you don't understand it. That is rule #1 in Liberal talk but we do not need it here. I did not completely explain my stand on nation building. I don't need to. I vote for the people I believe have the best grasp of the problem facing america. they come up with the ideas. I think it makes less sense that because people attack us and we d o nothing that the answer is to do more of nothing.

[Shastafarian]

Do you think there were not terrorists training from 1979 to 2001 who helped, trained, or financed any of the terrorist groups at war with us b4 9-11? USS Cole? Embassy bombings? WTC ? I dunno. do you have proof there were?

Don't belittle my opinion because you don't understand it.I understand it. I just think it's a little naive.

What was the purpose of this thread exactly? To try and come up with every single promise Obama has broken? Talk about being butthurt.

[TDMVPDPOY]

dunno why you bring up bush

but the time when he was president, there was no other better suiters during his stint as president to be replace, thats how lame it was and shitty candidates from all parties....

its like you goto vote on party policies, but that party has a shit fkn leader so you dont vote for him, but look at the next hot person and vote for them....

[spursncowboys]

I dunno. do you have proof there were?
I understand it. I just think it's a little naive.

What was the purpose of this thread exactly? To try and come up with every single promise Obama has broken? Talk about being butthurt.
Yes. That is exactly what this thread was. Nothing so terrible as a list of promises that bho made but after 10 months, if it took him the rest of his presidency, would not be able to make. What is my view that you believe is naive?
Proof terrorists were training in Saddam's Iraq
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp?pg=1
Read about what the press was saying in the 90's about the links between Iraq and AQ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1

Growing evidence of AQ/Iraq link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts

Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the World: http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam link to bin Laded: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

The Al Qaeda connections: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

NYT - 1998 - OBL and Iraq agree to cooperate:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts

Document links AQ and Iraq: http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

Iraq and terrorism: http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

WSJ - Iraq and AQ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987129/posts

Iraq and Iran contact AQ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981055/posts

Proof Saddam worked with AQ: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.x ml

Saddam's AQ Connection:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

Terrorist killed in Iraq after refusing to train Al Qaeda terrorists:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/08/25/wnidal25.xml

Osama's Best Friend: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

Case Closed - OBL and Iraq agree to work together:http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp

Terrorist behind 9/11 trained in Iraq:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1039898/posts?page=154

The Clinton view of Iraq/AQ ties: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp

Saddam's ties to terror: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts

NYT - tape shows Wesley Clark tying AQ and Iraq: Linkhttp://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297

[Winehole23]

Why are you putting so much emphasis on Bush, spursncowboys?

I thought that was what you wanted to get away from.

[Shastafarian]

This really does take being butthurt to a new level.

[spursncowboys]

Why are you putting so much emphasis on Bush, spursncowboys?

I thought that was what you wanted to get away from.
Your right winehole.

[spursncowboys]

Go ahead. Focus on him. Your count of promises he won't keep stands at one so far.
There are way more than that.

I will not hire lobbyists, hires lobbyist Daschle (he's out but here are the others)....Broken
* Melody Barnes, lobbyist for American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
* William Corr, lobbyist for Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids,
* Patrick Gaspard, lobbyist for Service Employees International Union.
* David Hayes, lobby San Diego Gas & Electric.
* Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, lobbyist for bankrupt Global Crossing telecommications.
* Ron Klain, lobbyist for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.
* William Lynn, lobbyist for Raytheon.
* Cecilia Munoz, lobbyist for National Council of La Raza
* Mark Patterson, lobbyist for Goldman Sachs.
* Mona Sutphen, lobbyist for Angliss International.
* Michael Strautmanis, lobbied for the American Association of Justice.
* Tom Vilsack, lobbyist for NEA.

[Shastafarian]

There are way more than that.

I will not hire lobbyists, hires lobbyist Daschle (he's out but here are the others)....Broken
* Melody Barnes, lobbyist for American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
* William Corr, lobbyist for Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids,
* Patrick Gaspard, lobbyist for Service Employees International Union.
* David Hayes, lobby San Diego Gas & Electric.
* Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, lobbyist for bankrupt Global Crossing telecommications.
* Ron Klain, lobbyist for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.
* William Lynn, lobbyist for Raytheon.
* Cecilia Munoz, lobbyist for National Council of La Raza
* Mark Patterson, lobbyist for Goldman Sachs.
* Mona Sutphen, lobbyist for Angliss International.
* Michael Strautmanis, lobbied for the American Association of Justice.
* Tom Vilsack, lobbyist for NEA.
Do you have the text of that promise?

[spursncowboys]

I quite smoking (admits to bumming cigarettes)...........................Broken

[spursncowboys]

shasta: why do i have to do all the work?

[Shastafarian]

shasta: why do i have to do all the work?

Because you're the one who's trying to prove he breaks his promises.

[jack sommerset]

You're right. It wasn't coincidence. See if you can figure out why on earth I would've chosen a video of Bush. Work your brain muscle.


Really? Someone ask promises the President cannot keep and you throw a video of Bush up when he is clearly talking about Obama. Shut the fuck up with "use your brain muscle and one brain cell bullshit" You know what you did. Man up about it instead of act like a fucking lil cunt in denial.

A Obama lie he obviously cannot realistically keep.

Closing Gitmo within the first 100 days of presidency.

[spursncowboys]

I will put legislation on Internet for all to read before votes....Broken

[SpurNation]

What's sad is that those promises have to be made in order to secure a vote. Typical politician tactic. Go to the masses and promise things that cannot be achieved in order to secure a vote.

And it's not the politician's fault. People want to hear what they want to hear. Getting voted is all dependant on the majority believing what you have to say.

[Shastafarian]

Really? Someone ask promises the President cannot keep and you throw a video of Bush up when he is clearly talking about Obama. Shut the fuck up with "use your brain muscle and one brain cell bullshit" You know what you did. Man up about it instead of act like a fucking lil cunt in denial.

.

:lol You still don't get it.

[Winehole23]

Three broken promises so far. Any others?

[jack sommerset]

Three broken promises so far. Any others?

Open debate on CSPAN about the Healthcare bill.

[spursncowboys]

Really? Someone ask promises the President cannot keep and you throw a video of Bush up when he is clearly talking about Obama. Shut the fuck up with "use your brain muscle and one brain cell bullshit" You know what you did. Man up about it instead of act like a fucking lil cunt in denial.

A Obama lie he obviously cannot realistically keep.

Closing Gitmo within the first 100 days of presidency.

shasta is so far above our intelligence grasp.

[jack sommerset]

Three broken promises so far. Any others?

No Earmarks.

[Shastafarian]

I will put legislation on Internet for all to read before votes....Broken

You know something, you're right. He didn't put legislation online. Someone did though.

http://thomas.loc.gov/

Have fun.

[Shastafarian]

shasta is so far above our intelligence grasp.

You're not making yourself look good by making sentences like this. I'm above your intelligence grasp? What does that even mean?

[Shastafarian]

No Earmarks.

Where did he say no earmarks? Grandpa McCain said it, but I don't recall Obama saying it.

[jack sommerset]

Where did he say no earmarks? Grandpa McCain said it, but I don't recall Obama saying it.

kV0Grra3QHs

[Yonivore]

Fuck, do you not have Google.com?


" The truth is, our earmark system in Washington is fraught with abuse. It badly needs reform — which is why I didn't request a single earmark last year, why I've released all my previous requests for the public to see, and why I've pledged to slash earmarks by more than half when I
am president of the United States of America." Barack Obama, September 22, 2008

"Absolutely, we need earmark reform. And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely." Barack Obama, September 26, 2008

"But when they start characterizing this as pork, without acknowledging that there are no earmarks in this package — something, again, that was pretty rare over the last eight years — then you get a feeling that maybe we're playing politics instead of actually trying to solve problems for the American people." Barack Obama, February 9, 2009

"I'm proud that we passed the recovery plan free of earmarks." Barack Obama, February 24, 2009
Just for the record, there were over 9,000 earmarks in the Stimulus bill.

[Shastafarian]

So he never promised, "no earmarks". Thanks for clarifying.

[Yonivore]

And, this is the same president that says Obamacare will cost less and cover more; there will be no rationing; no single-payer system; and, no federally funded abortions.

Obama is a fucking liar.

[Yonivore]

So he never promised, "no earmarks". Thanks for clarifying.


"I'm proud that we passed the recovery plan free of earmarks." Barack Obama, February 24, 2009

There were over 9,000. The man does not have a relationship with the truth.

[Shastafarian]

There were over 9,000. The man does not have a relationship with the truth.

You're not too familiar with the word "promise" are you? And why weren't you this butthurt when any other President was lying? you think Obama is the first President to lie to the American people?

[jack sommerset]

so he never promised, "no earmarks". Thanks for clarifying.

wtf?

[Shastafarian]

wtf?

Did I stutter?

[jack sommerset]

You're not too familiar with the word "promise" are you? And why weren't you this butthurt when any other President was lying? you think Obama is the first President to lie to the American people?


WTF? What are you 6. " I neveeevvvvvvvvver said promise"

"My fingers were crossed"

You are either real fucking stupid or a troll. Which one?

[Yonivore]

You're not too familiar with the word "promise" are you? And why weren't you this butthurt when any other President was lying? you think Obama is the first President to lie to the American people?
Hell, I'm not even talking about promises...I'm saying the man flat out lied.

Being proud of passing a bill without earmarks, when it has 9,000 of them, is bizarre. It's worse than not keeping a political promise. It demonstrates a willingness to ignore the facts to advance an agenda.

[Yonivore]

You think Obama is the first President to lie to the American people?
With such impunity and disregard for known facts? Yeah.

It's like saying he sat in a church for 20 years and never knew his pastor was a racist and a bigot.

It's like having a neighbor who gives you your first gig as a community organizer, throws your political coming out party, and (allegedly) writes one of your two autobiographies -- and he's just a guy from the neighborhood.

It's like having a crook give you a sweetheart deal on your house and, when he's arrested, you've never had any dealings with him.

Obama is a world-class fucking liar. Bill Clinton can't hold a candle to him.

[Shastafarian]

WTF? What are you 6. " I neveeevvvvvvvvver said promise"

"My fingers were crossed"

You are either real fucking stupid or a troll. Which one?

Let me familiarize you with the word promise:

prom⋅ise
  /ˈprɒmɪs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [prom-is] Show IPA noun, verb, -ised, -is⋅ing.
Use promise in a Sentence
See web results for promise
See images of promise
–noun
1. a declaration that something will or will not be done, given, etc., by one: unkept political promises.
2. an express assurance on which expectation is to be based: promises that an enemy will not win.
3. something that has the effect of an express assurance; indication of what may be expected.
4. indication of future excellence or achievement: a writer who shows promise.

get the hint? Now go back and tell where Obama gave an indication he was going to do away with earmarks. I'll wait here.

[Shastafarian]

With such impunity and disregard for known facts? Yeah.

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/06/16/image558769x.jpg

[Winehole23]

The man does not have a relationship with the truth.You'd be pretty good judge of that, Yoni. You know exactly what that's like.

[jack sommerset]

:lmao
Let me familiarize you with the word promise:

prom⋅ise
  /ˈprɒmɪs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [prom-is] Show IPA noun, verb, -ised, -is⋅ing.
Use promise in a Sentence
See web results for promise
See images of promise
–noun
1. a declaration that something will or will not be done, given, etc., by one: unkept political promises.
2. an express assurance on which expectation is to be based: promises that an enemy will not win.
3. something that has the effect of an express assurance; indication of what may be expected.
4. indication of future excellence or achievement: a writer who shows promise.

get the hint? Now go back and tell where Obama gave an indication he was going to do away with earmarks. I'll wait here.


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

God love you man.....Good day!

[Shastafarian]

:lmao


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

God love you man.....Good day!

:lol You still don't get it.

[spursncowboys]

Shasta sounds like BHO can do no wrong.

I will demand human rights for China and Tibet..............................Broken

[Yonivore]

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/06/16/image558769x.jpg
Nice, compare him to Nixon. You're on a roll...

[Yonivore]

You'd be pretty good judge of that, Yoni. You know exactly what that's like.
I'm not President of the United States.

[Shastafarian]

Shasta sounds like BHO can do no wrong.

I will demand human rights for China and Tibet..............................Broken


No I just find your list funny.


Nice, compare him to Nixon. You're on a roll...
I was just going for "let's show how butthurt and biased Yoni really is".

[jack sommerset]

:lol You still don't get it.

Son, I get it. Believe me I get it. I just think you are fucking stupid.:toast

[Yonivore]

No I just find your list funny.


I was just going for "let's show how butthurt and biased Yoni really is".
Frankly, I don't recall Nixon ever standing up -- after the facts were known -- and continuing to carry on a lie. Yeah, Nixon was a liar...on par with Bill Clinton but, I don't think either of them stood in front of the nation with the evidence of their lie, in their hand, and tried to advance it.

Seriously, 9,000 earmarks...and he was PROUD to have signed it without any?

[Shastafarian]

Son, I get it. Believe me I get it. I just think you are fucking stupid.:toastNo you really don't. If you get it, explain it for the folks.


Frankly, I don't recall Nixon ever standing up -- after the facts were known -- and continuing to carry on a lie. Yeah, Nixon was a liar...on par with Bill Clinton but, I don't think either of them stood in front of the nation with the evidence of their lie, in their hand, and tried to advance it.

Seriously, 9,000 earmarks...and he was PROUD to have signed it without any?Should we take it that you read the stimulus package and counted 9,000 earmarks yourself?

[Winehole23]

I'm not President of the United States.No no, I meant that you're compulsive liar, like you say Obama is.

[Shastafarian]

I also like how the title of this thread implies we're trying to come up with promises we don't think Obama can keep along with ones he has already (real or imagined) broken. Butthurtedness to the max!

[Yonivore]

Should we take it that you read the stimulus package and counted 9,000 earmarks yourself?
I didn't have to. It was widely reported.

Earmark reform? Stimulus bill contains 9,000 (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/02/earmark_reform_stimulus_bill_c.html)

Well, I say widely...I'm not sure the major MSM outed him. After all, they've been carrying his water for over a year now.

[Yonivore]

I also like how the title of this thread implies we're trying to come up with promises we don't think Obama can keep along with ones he has already (real or imagined) broken. Butthurtedness to the max!
Fuck his promises...the man can't tell the truth. He doesn't have to promise, he just says whatever the fuck he wants. "I didn't do, say, or promise that," when he did. Hell, that doesn't seem to bother him in the least.

[spursncowboys]

I also like how the title of this thread implies we're trying to come up with promises we don't think Obama can keep along with ones he has already (real or imagined) broken. Butthurtedness to the max!
No the title was created to bring up the ones that cannot be carried out. Even if he doesn't get impeached and serves the rest of his presidency these will not come to pass. I really didn't mean for this Dem vs Rep crap.

[Shastafarian]

Fuck his promises...the man can't tell the truth. He doesn't have to promise, he just says whatever the fuck he wants. "I didn't do, say, or promise that," when he did. Hell, that doesn't seem to bother him in the least.

Let it out Yoni.

[Shastafarian]

No the title was created to bring up the ones that cannot be carried out. Even if he doesn't get impeached and serves the rest of his presidency these will not come to pass. I really didn't mean for this Dem vs Rep crap.

And how are we supposed to know which ones cannot be carried out?

[Yonivore]

Let it out Yoni.
I'm just incredulous that Shastafarian wants to engage in some Clintonian parsing when the man is a bold-faced liar of the first order.

Seriously, claiming you singed a piece of legislation without any earmarks when it contained over 9,000 (probably a fucking record) is the pinnacle of liardom.

If he's willing to say that; why not be lying about his relationships with Ayers, Wright, Rezko, et. al.?

[Shastafarian]

I'm just incredulous that Shastafarian wants to engage in some Clintonian parsing when the man is a bold-faced liar of the first order.So was Reagan. I think it's pretty well known he knew about the contras and lied about it.


Seriously, claiming you singed a piece of legislation without any earmarks when it contained over 9,000 (probably a fucking record) is the pinnacle of liardom.I'd like to see the entire transcript instead of a Fox News edited clip.


If he's willing to say that; why not be lying about his relationships with Ayers, Wright, Rezko, et. al.?
why speculate?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm just incredulous that Shastafarian wants to engage in some Clintonian parsing when the man is a bold-faced liar of the first order.

Seriously, claiming you singed a piece of legislation without any earmarks when it contained over 9,000 (probably a fucking record) is the pinnacle of liardom.

If he's willing to say that; why not be lying about his relationships with Ayers, Wright, Rezko, et. al.?

what about lying to go to war? is that a bad thing? is it at least a s bad as saying no earmarks and then signing a bill with them?

[George Gervin's Afro]

So was Reagan. I think it's pretty well known he knew about the contras and lied about it.

I'd like to see the entire transcript instead of a Fox News edited clip.


why speculate?

All yoni has is speculation..

[Yonivore]

So was Reagan. I think it's pretty well known he knew about the contras and lied about it.
I disagree. Many say he was insulated from Iran/Contra. What you're alluding to, many people disagree. You cannot disagree that a) Obama claimed to sign a piece of legislation without earmarks and b) it had over 9,000.


I'd like to see the entire transcript instead of a Fox News edited clip.
I think I linked to a Cleveland Newspaper site...first link up on google.


why speculate?
Because he's a goddamned liar.

[Yonivore]

All yoni has is speculation..
It's not speculative when you have the man saying he signed the bill with no earmarks when there were over 9,000.

[Yonivore]

what about lying to go to war? is that a bad thing? is it at least a s bad as saying no earmarks and then signing a bill with them?
What was the lie?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I disagree. Many say he was insulated from Iran/Contra. What you're alluding to, many people disagree. You cannot disagree that a) Obama claimed to sign a piece of legislation without earmarks and b) it had over 9,000.

.




I'm just incredulous that Shastafarian wants to engage in some Clintonian parsing when the man is a bold-faced liar of the first order.

[Yonivore]

Sorry, GGA, that's not parsing. There are legitimate disagreements over how much involvement Reagan had with Iran/Contra. And, there certainly was at the time.

Obama is flat out lying in the face of facts known to the public.

[spursncowboys]

Shasta: why do you have to try and bring up bad behavior from a repub ex pres every time obama's screw ups are brought up? He was supposed to be above all that. Also he is the sitting president. This is now. If you were against something when a republican was in office then have some moral standards and be against it for everyone. Cheerleader

[Shastafarian]

Shasta: why do you have to try and bring up bad behavior from a repub ex pres every time obama's screw ups are brought up? If you haven't figured that out yet then you, like jack, need to use your brain muscles

He was supposed to be above all that.According to? I think most rational people figured he wouldn't be some messiah.

Also he is the sitting president.As was Bush at this time last year. As was Clinton at this time in 2000.

This is now.Where were you last year?

If you were against something when a republican was in office then have some moral standards and be against it for everyone.you don't get it either...*sigh*

CheerleaderButthurt.

[spursncowboys]

I will have transparency in White House emails except mine....Broken

[spursncowboys]

When Obama campaigned for the Democratic presidential nomination in Manchester, N.H., on June 22, 2007, he announced his "Sunlight Before Signing" promise.
"When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as the president, you the public will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it," he said.
Should we be numbering these?

[Shastafarian]

When Obama campaigned for the Democratic presidential nomination in Manchester, N.H., on June 22, 2007, he announced his "Sunlight Before Signing" promise.
"When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as the president, you the public will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it," he said.
Should we be numbering these?

I'm pretty sure you already used that one. Number all you want. I'm sure you'll receive apologies for all of them.

[spursncowboys]

I'm pretty sure you already used that one. Number all you want. I'm sure you'll receive apologies for all of them.
It is similar but different. So are you going to report me as acting "fishy" to the Ministry of Truth?

[Yonivore]

It is similar but different. So are you going to report me as acting "fishy" to the Ministry of Truth?
The e-mail bounces now.

[Jacob1983]

The reason why people bring up Bush when talking about Obama is because it's convenient and deflects attention from Obama's mistakes and misfortunes. Besides, Obama was elected to save us from evil Hitler Bush remember? One promise that I remember that Obama is probably going to break is his pledge to close down Gitmo within 1 year of being president. Obama will probably break the record for broken promises by a president but that's only because he promised a lot of shit to people. In my lifetime, Obama promised the most shit to voters of any other presidential that has ever been on the ballot in my opinion. He promised more shit than Clinton and Bush 43. The whole thing with Obama is that people put way too much hope, faith, and expectations on the man. When people voted for Obama back in November of last year, they honestly believed that he was going to change America and fix everything. Sad but true. And I'm sure some Obama dick sucker on here is probably going to bring up something bad that Bush did in order to deflect attention away from Lord Obama.

[Supergirl]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

He's made more than 500 promises throughout his campaign for president. So far, he's kept 41, compromised on 11, broken 7, seen 12 stall, and has 91 currently in the works.

[txallstar]

every president and/or politican makes promises err campaign promises and lies. come on now, really. you can't make any thing happen without someone or groups in congress putting their language in it and it's about negotiations and getting a bill passed that pleases most people and has some things a president wants in hopes down the line some one returns the favor and some one is always going to get screwed.

[jack sommerset]

every president and/or politican makes promises err campaign promises and lies. come on now, really. you can't make any thing happen without someone or groups in congress putting their language in it and it's about negotiations and getting a bill passed that pleases most people and has some things a president wants in hopes down the line some one returns the favor and some one is always going to get screwed.

Well fuck me. I never heard it that way. Let them mofo's all lie. The bigger the lie the better job they will do. :lol

[txallstar]

who cares...who ever has the money and power dem, rep, i, corporation, business, doesn't matter makes the rules.