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duncan228
09-08-2009, 06:04 PM
Replacement refs for NBA? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4455816)
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

The prospect of replacement referees calling NBA games for the first time since 1995 is looming larger by the day after the latest negotiating session between the current refs and league executives broke down Tuesday.

The NBA's most recent contract with its 60-plus referees expired Sept. 1 and Tuesday's bargaining session in New York was called to an abrupt halt by commissioner David Stern, according to one source with knowledge of the talks.

No further talks are scheduled between the sides with only 22 days before the league's first scheduled exhibition game Oct. 1. The likelihood that replacement refs will be needed for that game -- Denver at Utah -- has "increased dramatically," according to the source.

ESPN.com reported Aug. 25 that the league is seeking an across-the-board reduction of 10 percent to a referee budget that costs an estimated $32 million.

One source said Tuesday that the referees have proposed a reduction of $2.5 million -- roughly $700,000 away from the NBA's target -- but added that the refs are bracing for a lockout at this point after Stern "shut [Tuesday's] meeting down."

The source said: "We anticipate that there will be replacement refs."

NBA spokesman Tim Frank said: "We had a meeting today in which we did not make any progress. No further talks are scheduled."

Lamell McMorris, spokesman and lead negotiator for the referees' union, declined comment when reached Tuesday. McMorris also represents Major League Baseball umpires, whose current contract expires Dec. 31, 2009.

One source with knowledge of the league's thinking told ESPN.com last month and reiterated Tuesday that he expects NBA referees, in this depressed economy, to ultimate agree to the additional reduction from $2.5 million to $3.2 million when faced with the reality of not working.

The same source had previously stated that one motivation for the NBA taking such a firm stance is to demonstrate the hard-line approach that some owners are pushing for in collective-bargaining talks with NBA players that began earlier this month. The NBA's labor pact with its players expires after the 2010-11 season, but the sides have opened negotiations much earlier than normal in a bow to a difficult economic climate that has prompted numerous teams to curtail spending.

The referees, according to the first source, will meet in Chicago next week to discuss their next steps. They typically convene for training camp in the third week of September, but it appears more likely that the league will have to begin lining up replacement referees for the first time since the 1995-96 season, when refs were locked out for more than two months before reaching an agreement to return to work in December 1995.

Two current veterans, Bill Kennedy and former NBA player Leon Wood, are notable examples of 1995 replacement referees who wound up working in the league full time.

The proposed cuts to the referee budget are believed to include reductions in travel costs, pension payouts and health benefits in addition to salary cuts.

The referees have argued against the sort of budget cuts widely imposed on team and league office employees by insisting the late hours they work and difficult travel conditions they endure -- in addition to the injury risks and daily scrutiny they're subjected to -- make them unlike any other group of NBA employees.

jonnybravo
09-08-2009, 07:11 PM
Good. Might be an improvement.

sribb43
09-08-2009, 07:23 PM
Can't be any worse than Bennet Salvatore

Culburn369
09-08-2009, 07:35 PM
As long as they get the "Favor the Lakers" memo, I'm jiggy.

exstatic
09-08-2009, 07:51 PM
As long as they get the "Favor the Lakers" memo, I'm jiggy.

My dream is a lock out, a bitter period of replacements, and ultimately a chunk of the original refs return, determined to NOT call it for the league any more.

DPG21920
09-08-2009, 08:06 PM
I just want this CBA and referee thing to be handled as smoothly as possible. I don't want any negative drama hanging over the league.

Wishful thinking, I know, but one can hope.

Culburn369
09-08-2009, 08:08 PM
My dream is a lock out, a bitter period of replacements, and ultimately a chunk of the original refs return, determined to NOT call it for the league any more.

What about that other memo, ex?...the "Favor the Spurs" memo that goes out every October 1st with my Lakers memo.

DPG21920
09-08-2009, 08:08 PM
700K does not seem like very much money.

Culburn369
09-08-2009, 08:10 PM
I just want this CBA and referee thing to be handled as smoothly as possible. I don't want any negative drama hanging over the league.

Wishful thinking, I know, but one can hope.

That last work stoppage was a doozy. Owners/players found out nobody/"we" didn't give a fuck so they settled it posthaste and started playing 3 nights in a row just to get 50 games in. That's the Finals which you guys copped and which Suns Fandom have tainted now & like forever.

Culburn369
09-08-2009, 08:11 PM
700K does not seem like very much money.

Now when Uncle Sam takes a big juicy bite out of it.

FromWayDowntown
09-08-2009, 08:37 PM
It would be an interesting chance to test the premise that the current referees are hurting the game more than they help it.

Culburn369
09-08-2009, 08:59 PM
It would be an interesting chance to test the premise that the current referees are hurting the game more than they help it.

Watch what you wish for, From. Without that "help" you'd have about 1 ring (that strike one) and I'd have about like 2.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Mori Chu
09-08-2009, 09:11 PM
I wonder who the NBA would hire to be the temporary "scab" refs? If you think the current refs are in their pocket, I'd bet the new guys would be twice as bad. Not to mention being worse at calling the games.

NBA officiating is pretty awful. But I don't see this helping.

(Whatever happened to that military sergeant guy they hired after the Donaghy scandal? The guy who was going to kick ass and take names and generally fix the reffing situation?)

Culburn369
09-08-2009, 09:55 PM
(Whatever happened to that military sergeant guy they hired after the Donaghy scandal? The guy who was going to kick ass and take names and generally fix the reffing situation?)

They sent him on an open ended stay at Tahiti Village in Vegas. Threw in a couple tickets to hot Vegas show right on the Strip. Mori, can you say [high roller treatment, baby]?

tomtom
09-08-2009, 10:05 PM
Sweet no more Steve Javie or Joe Crawford :downspin:

Indazone
09-08-2009, 11:41 PM
They want you to think that it takes a special person to be a ref. How hard is it to blow a whistle and make a call with your own eyes? Then they give us Violet Palmer who obviously isn't fit to ref a high school game let alone an NBA game. Why not just give us refs that know how to run the game. The most logical extension is upgrade with NCAA refs. How much worse can those guys be over the crap we've seen from the Mafia controlled refs we have now? Here's two dollars and betting they will be better than the refs that have been forced down our throats for years and years.