The Kobe Stoppers

[duncan228]

The Kobe Stoppers (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kobe-bryant-patterson-2552077-trying-lakers)
These are the individuals charged with slowing down the Lakers' star, with varying degrees of effectiveness.
By Earl Bloom
The Orange County Register

Checking Kobe Bryant is usually a thankless task, and about as feasible as trying to stop rain.

Former teammate Ruben Patterson was the self-proclaimed 'Kobe Stopper,' and he worked hard to keep that image meaningful.

But Patterson is out of the league, and, with Bruce Bowen's retirement on Thursday, the short list of Kobe Bryant shadows is growing smaller.

We take a slide-show look at those brave NBA individuals who try to slow the Lakers superstar down. They're the ones Lakers fans usually detest the most, but hey, remember they are trying to be like Mike … Michael Cooper, that is.

Ruben Patterson was once a Lakers teammate of Kobe Bryant, and he really got this 'stopper' thing started. But Patterson had a lot of problems off the court, and in another kind of court, and now it seems he can't get back on an NBA roster.

Kobe Bryant fans everywhere got some relief when Bruce Bowen annouced his retirement at 38. No one dogged Kobe longer, or better, than the San Antonio Spurs' perennial All-Defense First Team selection.

James Posey was real pain to Kobe and the Lakers when he was a Boston Celtic in the 2008 NBA FInals. Now that Posey is a New Orleans Hornet, the Lakers see him more often but it doesn't quite seem to bee the same.

Lakers fans will never forget the trip by Dahntay Jones in the playoffs. But with Jones moving to Indiana as a free agent, he will have less chances to employ such questionable tactics against Kobe Bryant.

The move of Raja Bell to the Eastern Conference and Charlotte was a big break for Kobe and his fans, who didn't appreciate Bell's constant attentions when he was a Phoenix Sun. He can shoot, too, so he's a double pain.

Houston's Shane Battier takes his turns trying to stop Kobe Bryant, and the former Duke standout does a nice defensive job against other scorers as well. Battier is a winning player, and one of the reasons I believe the Rockets will still slip into the playoffs this season.

Chris Andersen isn't a Kobe stopper per se, since he's a different size. But the Denver big man will go everywhere from challenging him at the rim to scrambling on the floor with the Lakers superstar.

Chris Andersen is not only a pain on defense, but it sometimes takes two Lakers All-Stars to try to stop him at the other end. In case you can't tell by now, the Denver Nuggets sparkplug is one of my favorite players.

Ron Artest never seemed to tire of whispering not-so-sweet nothing into Kobe Bryant's ears. But, after years of trying to beat No. 24, Artest has decided to join him.

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[redzero]

Paul Pierce did a good job on Kobe during overtime of the last Celtics-Lakers game. Hell, the entire Boston Celtics dogged him in 08.

[picc84]

The Kobe stopper is a great team defense that can focus on him. No one stops him alone. Just like every other elite perimeter player in the league.

[Hornets1]

Po-z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BeeGee]

I just see a list of guys that Kobe routinely shit on. Thanks though.

[sam1617]

I just see a list of guys that Kobe routinely shit on. Thanks though.

Sure, he can get his points on anyone. The key is how efficient he gets them, and I think the Spurs D with Bowen, the Rockets D with Artest and Battier, and the Celtics D with Posey were the best teams at forcing him into less efficient games.

[Hornets1]

Sure, he can get his points on anyone. The key is how efficient he gets them, and I think the Spurs D with Bowen, the Rockets D with Artest and Battier, and the Celtics D with Posey were the best teams at forcing him into less efficient games.

Exactly. Kobe is Kobe; he is going to score no matter what. However, people like Bell, Battier, Posey, Bowen, and Artest made it harder for Kobe to play his style and get good looks; which is all you really can do to Kobe. You can't simply stop Kobe Bryant.......

[TheMACHINE]

Sure, he can get his points on anyone. The key is how efficient he gets them, and I think the Spurs D with Bowen, the Rockets D with Artest and Battier, and the Celtics D with Posey were the best teams at forcing him into less efficient games.

Does this mean that no team can stop Kobe this year?

[hater]

The real Kobe Stoppers:

http://www.mikepaulblog.com/blog/media/Boulder%20Police%20Logo.jpg

[PGDynasty24]

kobe owns the spurs all the time,kobe owns the rockets all the time. the two defenses that generally slow kobe down are the celtics and pistons. I'd like to see his numbers vs bowen,he always seems to light him up

[BadMoodBob]

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The real Kobe Stoppers:

http://www.mikepaulblog.com/blog/media/Boulder%20Police%20Logo.jpg

:lol

[eisfeld]

The Kobe stopper is a great team defense that can focus on him. No one stops him alone. Just like every other elite perimeter player in the league.

Stopping Kobe is plain and simple impossible. The only thing a player can do is make him miss a couple of shots so he has to take more shots. Either way, he averages 20+ ppg and it doesn't matter if he takes 17 or 25 shot attempts to do so.

[in2deep]

Kobe stops for noone. except for really ugly hotel employees

[Red Hawk #21]

I thought mickael pietrus did a great job of guarding Kobe in the finals.

[ambchang]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=bowenbr01&p2=bryanko01

While Kobe scores about the same amount of points, his FG% drops quite a bit vs. Bowen. A closer view would be doing a year by year, and comparing only the games where the minutes of both players were similar.

[23LeBronJames23]

Does this mean that no team can stop Kobe this year?

i guess Nuggets Birdman and Hornets Posey have chance.

[sam1617]

Does this mean that no team can stop Kobe this year?

Stopping Kobe doesn't matter. Beating the Lakers does. The Lakers lose if Kobe is inefficient and takes a bunch of shots, or if his team is inefficient. Make one or both of those things happen and you stand a good to excellent chance at beating the Lakers.

[TheMACHINE]

Stopping Kobe doesn't matter. Beating the Lakers does. The Lakers lose if Kobe is inefficient and takes a bunch of shots, or if his team is inefficient. Make one or both of those things happen and you stand a good to excellent chance at beating the Lakers.

True...if it was 2005-2007

[DisAsTerBot]

True...if it was 2005-2007

ok, ok....there's no way to beat the lakers :blah:rolleyes

[ginobili's bald spot]

I think Battier used to be the best at guarding him. I'm not sure if that's true any more though. It seems like Kobe got used to his hand in the face defense.

[PGDynasty24]

battier def does the best guarding kobe

[Culburn369]

Kobe stops for noone. except for really ugly hotel employees

Even those he rips them a brand new asshole.

tee, hee.

[Lars]

Battier does a great job, he definatley limits his free throw attempts. Plus he usually covers him solo, which is often overlooked.

[Culburn369]

Battier does a great job, he definatley limits his free throw attempts. Plus he usually covers him solo, which is often overlooked.

...and ends up on the shit end of the scoreboard.

[crc21209]

As far as defending Kobe well, the list should go:

1. Bruce Bowen (every time they met)
2. Paul Pierce/James Posey (these two did a pretty good job on Kobe in the 08' Finals)
3. Shane Battier/Ron Artest

And then there's a drop off :lol. Ruben Patterson always talked a good game but never really backed it up! :lol

[picc84]

Battier had one GREAT game against him last year and since then he's been hailed as some kind of Kobe stopper, but he's actually not that great on him, despite his obsessive notebooks and such. One great game against a player does not make you his stopper. This is the same guy that Kobe dropped 56 in 3 quarters on. His hand in the face D does absolutely nothing, he just has good positioning and forces him into jumpshots. Which would be a better defensive strategy if Kobe didnt shoot jumpers 80% of the time anyway. Dont get me wrong Battier is a great defender, but his defense on Kobe is overrated. Primarily because of that one 08 game.

Paul Pierce defends him much better than Battier does IMO. They actually defend each other pretty flawlessly, I think its the competitiveness and the fact they usually practice together in the summers.

Still, nobody is going to make him look bad alone. Great team defenses like Detroit and Boston are good at doing the job though. Detroit in 2004 was the best defense on him (or on anyone) i've ever seen. That was unreal. Talk about the perfect mix of coaching and personnel.

I loved watching Kobe and Bruce Bowen go at it. I dont think Bowen actually ever contained him as much as he just made him work hard for shots, but the intensity and competitiveness was awesome. Sad to see that guy go.

[21_Blessings]

As far as defending Kobe well, the list should go:

1. Bruce Bowen (every time they met)

Not even close. 1v1 Bowen can't handle Kobe at all. With Robinson and Duncan collasping the middle though, different story. Kobe shit on Bowen more times than not though.

Although Bruce did do a good job at focusing on chasing and harrassing Kobe at all times. To the point where Bowen would never even worry about help defense. Which was only really possible because Tim Duncan (much better defender than Bowen ever was, never got credit)was anchoring the middle all those years. Without Tim Duncan and Pop's system Bowen would have been nothing more than a journeyman.


2. Paul Pierce/James Posey (these two did a pretty good job on Kobe in the 08' Finals)

They did a good job contesting his jumpers but the guy that should be here is Kevin Garnett. He's the real reason Kobe was limited that series. KG did a fantastic job of cheating off Lamar Odom all series while playing a soft zone on Kobe preventing him from getting any penetration.


3. Shane Battier/Ron Artest

Why is Artest here? Kobe destroys Ron Artest.

Battier has had some games where Kobe was held to poor shooting. Not sure how much credit we can give battier though considering Kobe has torched him for 50 a couple times and 40 multiple times.


And then there's a drop off :lol. Ruben Patterson always talked a good game but never really backed it up! :lol

No, the top of the list should be Tay Prince. He's been the most consistent Kobe defender imo. The head to head statistics on bref also back this up.

[nkdlunch]

So noone can stop KObe. I agree

also, no one can stop Lebron, Wade, CP3, Parker, Duncan, Dirk, Roy, ........

[picc84]

No, the top of the list should be Tay Prince. He's been the most consistent Kobe defender imo. The head to head statistics on bref also back this up.

Not since 2004.

In fact, that was the last time his reputation as a defensive stopper was legitimate.

[21_Blessings]

Not since 2004.

In fact, that was the last time his reputation as a defensive stopper was legitimate.

Never said Prince was a defensive stopper. His length has always bothered Kobe and he can't really be posted up by him. He has guarded Bryant consistently better than anyone on the list above.

[picc84]

. But he does as good a job on Kobe as anyone in the league. And he does better than all the players listed above.

...No he doesn't.

Not even close.

Since 2004 finals, i've made it a habit to watch them when Detroit lets Kobe isolate on him one-on-one, and in the past few years it has resulted in Prince getting torched. With bad intentions. As has gotten somewhat routine for Prince vs elite perimeter players, as his reputation began to exceed his talent somewhere around 2006.

[21_Blessings]

Not even close.

Since 2004 finals, i've made it a habit to watch them when Detroit lets Kobe isolate on him one-on-one, and in the past few years it has resulted in Prince getting torched. With bad intentions. As has gotten somewhat routine for Prince vs elite perimeter players, as his reputation began to exceed his talent somewhere around 2006.

Iso 1v1 on the wing Kobe will torch anyone in the league.

Prince has been torched by Kobe. But he was never torched as bad as Battier or Bowen have been since 2004.

Purely 1v1 man defense, without factoring team defense (Duncan, Yao, KG clogging the middle) Prince easily does the best job vs Kobe. His length allows him to recover and contest Kobe's pull up jumper as good as anyone in the league.

Basketball is a game of matchups. Prince's performance against other elite perimeter players is irrelevant to the discussion.

[picc84]

Purely 1v1 man defense, without factoring team defense (Duncan, Yao, KG clogging the middle) Prince easily does the best job vs Kobe. His length allows him to recover and contest Kobe's pull up jumper as good as anyone in the league.


No. One on one he gets WORKED. Thats exactly what i'm been trying to tell you. You have not been watching detroit la games if you think Prince has been containing him one on one since 2005.

[21_Blessings]

No. One on one he gets WORKED. Thats exactly what i'm been trying to tell you. You have not been watching detroit la games if you think Prince has been containing him one on one since 2005.

Battier, Posey and Bowen have been WORKED one v one despite having better team defenses than Prince since 2005

I don't miss Lakers games. You're exaggerating the level at which Prince gets WORKED as you say.

Despite having an atrocious interior defense Prince has contained Kobe to a 40% or below 3 out of last 5 meetings. Yeah he's getting worked out there.

It's a matchup issue which you don't understand. Have you ever played basketball? One v one Kobe can post up guys like Battier and Bowen. Not Prince, at least not consistently. Prince's length is incredible which is what bugs Kobe Bryant the most since that kind of length gives the defender the ability to force Kobe into taking that 20footer and still be able to recover and contest the jumpshot.

[JMarkJohns]

Bell pissed Kobe off which made Kobe play better. I wouldn't say he was a stopper. A pest, but Kobe torched Phoenix whenever he wanted to, even with Bell defending him.

[picc84]

Battier, Posey and Bowen have been WORKED one v one despite having better team defenses than Prince since 2005

I don't miss Lakers games. You're exaggerating the level at which Prince gets WORKED as you say.

Despite having an atrocious interior defense Prince has contained Kobe to a 40% or below 3 out of last 5 meetings. Yeah he's getting worked out there.

Prince hasn't held him to shit by himself. One on one Kobe has destroyed him when they play. But how often does Detroit let Kobe isolate his defender on an island? Almost never. But when they do, Prince does not do as good a job as Pierce or even the overrated Battier.

[21_Blessings]

This is the game where the Lakers noticed Ariza and began trying to trade for him. Also Ariza is pretty similar to Prince. Not a pure stopper but his length causes problems for Kobe at times.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200612270ORL.html

Just glad Ariza didn't go to Cleveland or a real contender out West. He'll probably be given the next "Kobe Stopper" label after he out performs Battier a few times.

[Hornets1]

So noone can stop KObe. I agree

also, no one can stop Lebron, Wade, CP3, Parker, Duncan, Dirk, Roy, ........

Agreed. You can slow them down and decrease their productivity and efficiency, but you can't stop em.

Also Durant,Dwill, and melo

[21_Blessings]

One on one Kobe has destroyed him when they play.

Just because you keep saying this doesn't make it true. Especially when the facts disagree with you.


But how often does Detroit let Kobe isolate his defender on an island? Almost never.

Actually they do it quite often with Prince. Put him on an island with Kobe.

[picc84]

Just because you keep saying this doesn't make it true. Especially when the facts disagree with you.

What are the facts? Enlighten me.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I just see a list of guys that Kobe routinely shit on. Thanks though.


I can give you 3 seasons where Bruce Bowen dropped a load of shit on Kobe. 2003, 2005 & 2007.

[Ditty]

if you really watch basketball and notice things like who plays good and bad against each other the real guy that gave kobe fits and played great on him was t-mac when he was in orlando or in his prime probably the best defender on kobe

[Culburn369]

I can give you 3 seasons where Bruce Bowen dropped a load of shit on Kobe. 2003, 2005 & 2007.

Running his feet under a jump shooter is a load of shit. Nice legacy for Bowen.

[Lars]

Couple of good articles on the topic.

No one can stop Kobe Bryant (http://www.fanhouse.com/tag/Kobe+Bryant/). The Laker is too talented, too aggressive and too focused to let any defender keep him under lock and key. Houston is a team predicated on tough defense, with arguably the conference's two best perimeter defenders in the line-up. One can imagine Kobe figured in Daryl Morey's decision to trade for Ron Artest (http://www.fanhouse.com/tag/Ron+Artest/) in July.

But in Houston's Game 1 win (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/05/05/rockets-grind-out-win-against-lakers/) over the Lakers, Shane Battier (http://www.fanhouse.com/tag/Shane+Battier/) covered Kobe almost exclusively. As Matt Watson wrote (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/05/05/rockets-grind-out-win-against-lakers/), Battier did a fantastic job, hassling Kobe into an inefficient game. How did he do it? Or did Kobe do it to himself?

I charted Kobe's offensive possessions with an eye on Battier and Artest. Rick Adelman had already announced Battier would be the lead Kobe defender, but the exclusivity level wasn't known until the game began. (You can also imagine a scenario in which the circumstances of the game would necessitate Battier being replaced in the line-up by an offensive creator.)

Battier was the defender on 27 of Kobe's 33 shooting possessions. Artest covered five (three of which coming when Battier was on the bench getting stitches or a rest), and the other possession came against Brent Barry on a secondary break. (By the way, Brent Barry held Kobe to 0-1 shooting! Brent Barry!)

In those 27 Kobe vs. Battier shooting possessions, two ended with trips to the line. Both of these came in the final two minutes, as Kobe decided to start attacking the basket. Bryant had only one prior FTA, on an "and-1" against Artest. For perspective, on the season Kobe drew 0.33 FTAs for every FGA. But in those Battier-defended possessions in Game 1, Kobe drew just four FTAs on 25 FGAs -- 0.16 FTA/FGA.

That's because the lion's share of Kobe's shots came on jumpers. Of those 25 FGAs against Battier, 21 were jumpers. Of the 21 jumpers, 14 were long twos (the least efficient in basketball at the league-level). Obviously, you don't draw many fouls on jumpers, let alone pull-up jumpers (which Kobe often went to). Not until those final minutes could Kobe lose Battier on screens; it's hard to tell whether Kobe, feeling ill and maybe rusty, didn't feel up to a pounding in the lane, or whether Battier just shut it down by fighting through screens and leaving some space for Kobe to fire up (seemingly) open jumpers. (No jumper against Battier is truly open. He's so skilled at shoving his hand in a shooter's face. Every time. Without fouling.)

Given Kobe's aforementioned talent and focus, I find it hard to believe he simply didn't want to drive. Kobe's eye is on the prize. He knows what he needs to do to get L.A. another championship. He knows he's at his best getting to the rim, especially against a long, agile, but not quick, Battier. Kobe knows all this ... and took 25 jump shots. I think Battier gets credit for this one. (Artest, too: in the five Artest-defended possession, Kobe took four jumpers and got to the rim once.)

Assuming Kobe adjusts in Game 2 and begins to drive into the core of the Houston defense, we'll see how long Battier can hold up the fort before needing more help from Artest or a double-team.

(Addendum: Kobe finished with four assists, but by my charting had another nine "potential assists" -- passes leading to shots which, if those shots had fallen, would have counted as assists for Kobe. This doesn't mean Kobe could have had 13 assists if his teammates didn't shoot so poorly -- the passes weren't exactly alley-oops; most were normal ball movement passes that ended with the ever-efficient (not) Trevor Ariza three-pointer. But Kobe did share the ball despite his 31 FGAs. The passes just didn't help much.)

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On March 16, 2008 last year, the surging Lakers came into Houston with anticipation to break the Rockets amazing winning streak which had reached 21. Not wanting to be a part of their historic run, Kobe and the Lake Show were hoping to cool down the Rockets.
This article isn't about the game. It's not about the win streak. It's about Shane Battier vs. Kobe Bryant.
In that game last year, Shane Battier put on such an incredible display of defense on Kobe Bryant, that even an avid fan of Kobe myself had to give it up to the dude. Ok, ok some people might get on my case for saying this, but Shane practically shut him down that night.

Bryant played 47 minutes that game, shot 11-33, only went to the free throw line four times, and simply just couldn't get it going the whole game. He ended up with 24 points, respectably, but it was the hardest fought 24 points I had ever seen the Mamba go out and get.
Battier played 46 minutes, and was guarding Kobe majority of the night. There was a point in the third quarter when the Lakers did go on a run, but every time the Lakers did get close, Battier found a way to stop Kobe.
The Rockets ended the night with their streak at 22 that night, with a 104-92 victory; but for a week straight, all anybody talked about was Battier's footwork and level of energy the whole night as he chased Kobe around the whole night. And of course, everybody talked about Battier's hand covering Kobe's eyes the whole night.
Whether that affected his jumpshot or not, Bryant had a bad game.
You know he remembers that night. And with Ron Artest and Tracy McGrady most likely not playing tonight, you know he can't wait for Battier to step (http://click.adbrite.com/mb/click.php?sid=241389&banner_id=11094456&variation_id=250024&uts=1252564257&cpc=302e3031&keyword_id=249902&inline=y&ab=168362111&sscup=c21fe822ca8aeba069f1619d2de4c3b7&sscra=61ce15c48147c5e0c30d94915b932b38&ub=1079740182&guid=fcb25f2f-c283-4587-a481-6fce9a9b042d&odc=vrx&rs=&r=) up and guard him.
It may not be a big game for many, but for Kobe, his eyes are wide open, because he sees the challenge that is Shane Battier tonight.
Can Battier do it again?
I'm rockin' that purp and gold, so you know my answer

[kamikazi_player]

is this your kobe stopper?
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